Why we cannot follow the Gospel of Jesus AND the Law of Moses at the same time
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- Our Hebrew roots friends profess a faith in Jesus but also want to keep the Old Testament Law. Does it make sense to try to hold onto both the Gospel and the law? Does it make sense to follow Jesus and Moses, to pursue both Grace and works of the law? The short answer is no. That makes no sense at all. It dilutes our devotion to Jesus and makes us double-minded in our pursuit of God. In this video, we'll look at 4-½ reasons why trying to follow the Gospel of Jesus and the Law of Moses at the same is both is unbiblical and dangerous.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction: The Dangers of Hebrew Roots / Torah-observant Christianity
04:16 Reason #1: Atonement for sin
06:18 Reason #2: The priesthood
11:12 Reason #3: The temple
15:10 Reason #4: The veil
19:17 Reason #4.5: Circumcision
23:24 Wrap it up, Professor
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Nuestros amigos de raíces hebreas profesan fe en Jesús pero también quieren guardar la Ley del Antiguo Testamento. ¿Tiene sentido intentar aferrarse tanto al Evangelio como a la ley? ¿Tiene sentido seguir a Jesús y Moisés, perseguir tanto la Gracia como las obras de la ley? La respuesta corta es no. Eso no tiene ningún sentido. Diluye nuestra devoción a Jesús y nos hace tener doble ánimo en nuestra búsqueda de Dios. En este video, veremos cuatro razones y media por las cuales tratar de seguir el Evangelio de Jesús y la Ley de Moisés al mismo tiempo es antibíblico y peligroso.
I've been following the new and old testament and walking with Yahshua and the law of God for some 13 years with little difficulty. My testimony is that my understanding of the gospel of Yahshua and the new testament has increased with studying the Law of Moses( law)
Completely true... Tha same thing happened to me
Agree 100% Teaching against the law and not keeping it is pure rebellion to our Heavenly Father and rebellion is the same as witchcraft! (1 Samuel 15:23, Hebrews 3:15, 2 Thess 2:3)
Number one thing to remember... IT is The Gospel of The Kingdom of GOD... "...Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come..."(Words in Red) The Witness... says Both are needed... "...Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Yehoshua H3091 / G2424(Jesus).
Completely true... The gospel of the kingdom... And his comandments(torah)
Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life! His death, for ALL of my sins, and His resurrection is enough for me!!! Thank you for this teaching!
Jesus also said "If you love me, keep my commandments."
That includes the Sabbath commandment.
Our "Torah-observant" friends often put all their "eggs" in the basket of Matt. 5:17-20. And the problem is that the Bible consists of more than just those four verses. So, if we interpret Matt. 5:17-20 as teaching that the entire Law of Moses will be in effect until Heaven and Earth pass away, we then need to explain the 5 biblical examples in this video, which unequivocally show that the Mosaic commands regarding sin atonement, the priesthood, the temple, etc. have all changed in material ways.
RLS
made righteous before he went up the mountain. Abraham was made riteous by faith not sacrifice. Others on the planet did not sacrifice and were not Jewish..and went to heaven. Melkisidec was not Jewish.
How does the Sabbath appear in this video apart from it's 9 brethren?
@@biblethumper1624 Good point, thumper. Seems it's just the one commandment that God specifically said to "Remember" that most Christians are wanting to forget.
Concerning the destruction of the temple 2000 years ago, he stated that why would God allow the destruction of the temple if the Mosaic law is still in effect? Will that was not the first time that the temple was destroyed. Solomon's Temple was destroyed by the Babylonians and Nebuchadnezzar and the temple was not rebuilt for over 70 years after that. And the Mosaic law was not done away with during that time.
What's interesting is that when that first temple was destroyed and Israel was sent into exile, God specifically told them their exile would last 70 years (Jer 25:9-13) and what they should do while in exile (Jer. 29). But that was not the case with the destruction of the second temple.
RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots the spirit never returned to the 2nd temple nor herods. Only the third and final temple did he fully return. We are that temple if we have the Holy Spirit
God Bless you. You are doing The Lord’s work. ❤
'And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and he went to make war with the remnant of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.'
Rev 12:17
Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Matthew 19:
16- And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17- And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
@glenwillson5073 Truth. Amen.
Amein
2Tim.3 Verses 16 to 17
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
You yourself know you can't keep the commandments in thought word or deed.
Thank you Professor Solberg for another concise video. Those in Torahism insisting that the law/instructions of Moses are still binding can't reconcile that with the Gospel of Christ, and hence teach a false gospel. Keep up your much needed work speaking out against this movement as you are one of very few. You have much support.
They are still binding. "Til heaven and earth pass". But you are not a jew👌
@@tbishop4961not valid for jews either, same is the Lord and same salvation, read galatians
So you say these laws are not binding? So I can commit adultery?
@@alexblack6634 - The Law of Christ is written on our hearts, and every born-again Christian knows that adultery is a sin without it having to be spelled out to them. The Holy Spirit convicts the Christian heart of sin. How many of today’s modern-day sins are not mentioned in the Torah, and if the law of Moses is still binding to you why don’t you stone trangressors of the law? Your Torah centric strawman arguments are tiresome. I have been a part of your cult and it’s devoid of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Why do even watch channels and videos refuting your heresy?
@@tbishop4961 - Yes I am not a Jew. I am a gentile Christian who follows the Gospel of Jesus Christ under the New Covenant.
I notice an interesting trend in the comments section of this video. Those "Torah-observant" followers of Jesus who believe we're all supposed to keep the Mosaic rituals are bringing up lots of general arguments. But they're not responding to the 4.5 reasons presented in this video about why we cannot follow the Gospel of Jesus and the Law of Moses at the same time. I would love to hear someone who disagrees actually challenge the arguments presented here. Because if any of these five points is true, then the law of Moses is no longer in effect. -RLS
Did God says the Laws of Moses went away? When God says it then it's TRUE but when some man try to decide what God has already decided then you know its false and nothing but lies.
Have you forgotten that God last forever. So does his ways traditions his words and his laws. They have been here since time started and will stay for along as forever is. You would know that is you know how mighty and great God is. GOD IS BOUND BY NOTHING. GOD DOES WHAT HE PLEASES AND GOD IS RULER OF EVERYTHING. START TREATING GOD LIKE THE GOD HE IS DO WHAT HE SAYS NOT WHAT YOU THINK THATS THE REASON FOR EVERYTHING A LESSON. MAN HAS DONE WHAT THEY WANTED AND HAS PAID FOR IT DEARLY. BUT ITS CLEARLY SHOWS THAT IF YOU FOLLOW EVERYTHING ABOUT GOD THEN YOU ARE BLESSED AND WILL BE PROSPEROUS.
It's bad enough to say you know God but everything you said proved that you know nothing of who or what God is.
@@Cos..... if God is bound by nothing and can do as He pleases then that means He can also change the law. Hence the New Covenant
@@Gigi2four then why did jesus say he didnt come to do away with the Law or the prophets but to fufill it. So what makes you think he changes what he spoke to the whole world bc you know he spoke the commandments to the whole world and in the bible is doesn't say anything about God changing any of his commandments or ways.
I'm so thankful for your channel. I've come to be in fellowship with some Hebrew roots folk and I never would've understood it or known how to have these conversations if it weren't for your videos. Thanks so much 🙏🏼
- Most notably, I've been asked what other of the 10 commandments I'd be willing to compromise on since I don't keep a 7th day sabbath 😥
I am so glad you find our work helpful! What's interesting is that nine of the ten commandments are repeated, endorsed, and taught in the New Testament, but the keeping of the seventh day Sabbath is not.
RLS
Hebrews 4 explains that Jesus is our Sabbath rest & that "today" (i.e. every day) is our "rest" from the works of the law.
So it's not a matter of "compromise," it's a matter of "entering in" to the finished work of Jesus forever PTL 🙌
Jesus kept the 7th day Sabbath.
Is he our perfect example, or not?
@@TheBiblicalRoots quote--- but the keeping of the seventh day Sabbath is not. ... unquote
Tell me, when your kids disobey one rules of your house, which ones would you keep talking to your kids about? The ones they do keep, or the ones they DON:T keep??? 99.9 % of Jews kept the Sabbath!!! NO NEED to keep talking about that. Jesus talked about the ones they did NOT keep.
What Commandments is this about?
John 14:15 "If you love me, you'll keep my commandments." In other words, if you don't love me, you don't love God. John 14:16 says, Jesus will ask the Father and he will give us another Counselor to be with us forever when we obey God by loving others. He is the Spirit of truth.
Keep only Nine?? Eight??? All ten???
how about this?
John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you so that My joy may be in you, and your joy may be full.
Keep only Nine?? Eight??? All ten???
----What is this verse aabout?
Hebrews 4:9-11 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.
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There are a few who seem to have a hard time understanding what you're saying. But keep doing what you're doing. God bless you richly.
Great quick lesson. Wish you would went ahead and gave a short lesson on the sabbath and kosher laws as well. Even though you recently did a wonderful job in the 2 part clean and unclean videos.
Thanks so much Dr Solberg for excellent teaching video. This is so biblically and theologically sound and scriptural, I'm sending it to my bible study student's. You are a great help to the body of Christ. God bless you and your ministry.
Thank you, Pastor!
I have a question for you: If someone observes the law, are they working for their salvation, yes or no? If yes, please explain why you came to that conclusion?
@@sundownsam3369 He can't "yes" or "no" this question. WHO is the "someone" you're talking about? Jew or Gentile? HOW do you propose Jew "observe" law with no extant Temple? And HOW do you propose Gentiles "observe" law in a Temple not made with human hands but out of living stones made out of people? Literally people!
Thank you so much for that video. You make it so clear, that the grace of god is enough. Jesus is enough. Thank you, your argumention is brilliant!
Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not;
Anyone claiming God changes is calling God a liar.
What does Jesus have to say about the law? Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law,or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, til all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
I will believe Jesus, not man.
Aaaaaammmmmmeeeeennnn!
Yep we are to follow the law but it does not save us. If we have trouble following it it is about not loving God enough. God said in Isiah if you love me you will obey me. Jesus said if you love me you will follow my commandments
Another... Aaammmmeeeeennnnn!!!
Thankful for your ministry and how you are being used. What commandments do we follow? What were the commandments since creation? How is the Law of Christ different? They always argue (If you love me, you will keep my commandments). I have had some HR say, they see the 10 commandments are forever, and are distinct from the Mosaic Laws. Some say we are not in the new covenant, yet still profess Jesus. The other part that could use clarity is so many believe they are from the 10 Lost Tribes or one of the 12. They don’t see the church as a distinct entity. Would love for you to delve into these topics more. 🙏🙌🏻
They don't understand that there are TWO covenants....
(Actually there are more - Noahidic, for example, which obviously doesn't apply to us now other than the promise implied by the rainbow.)
1) MOSAIC COVENANT which Jesus literally & legally fulfilled to make it possible for the:
2) ABRAHAMIC COVENANT to be fulfilled (father of many nations/Gentiles), i.e. now everyone (Jew & Gentile) has access to the Kingdom of heaven by faith (Romans 4 : 16)
Great points raised in your video!
I always found it rather puzzling how many pastors and teachers try to balance Malachi chapter 3 with 2nd Corinthians chapter 9 to support their Tithing doctrines.
There seems to be a serious disconnect and inconsistency on the subject of giving in particular....and the congregation sits quietly while none raise a hand to question.
curious if you've delved into Paul Within Judaism, and if so what your thoughts are?
Amen! It all points to Jesus. Thank you
I have learned a lot from you, thank you for the videos. All praise and glory to Yah in Christ our Lord.
Matthew 5:43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor [Leviticus 19:18] and hate your enemy [Deuteronomy 23:6].’ 44 "But I say to you [Hebrews 7:11-12], love your enemies [John 13:34; John 15:12; Ephesians 5:1-2; Galatians 5:22; 1 Corinthians 13], bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,"
John 13:34 "A new commandment I give to you [1 John 2:8; Hebrews 7:11-12; Hebrews 8; Luke 5:36-39; Psalm 78:2; Ezekiel 17:2; Matthew 13:3-23], that you love one another [Matthew 5:44]; as I have loved you [John 15:12; Galatians 5:22], that you also love one another."
John 15:12 "This is My commandment, that you love one another [Matthew 5:44] as I have loved you [John 13:34; Galatians 5:22]."
The one who has ears, let him hear.
Way to misquote and take out of context Deuteronomy 23:6, which does not say what you claim it says and does not apply to that which you claim it applies. If your interpretation involves Jesus or the disciples nullifying the Law of God, then your interpretation is wrong.
@@TimothyChapman Truly, Deuteronomy 23:3-6 refers to the Moabites and Judges 3:28 says that the Moabites were the enemies of Israel whom they hated. But this you do not believe.
The Gospel/Good News (1 of 2): Believe in your heart and receive atonement, propitiation, and His forgiveness of all sins for all time, through the shed blood, and one time death of the Lord Jesus Christ as the Lamb of God. By grace through faith. Ref. Acts 26:18; Ephesians 1:1-10. #Passover #Alpha
The Gospel/Good News (2 of 2): Believe in your heart and receive the promised inheritance of His salvation, through being baptized, sealed, and kept, with the Holy Spirit by the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ as the Lion of the tribe of Judah, in order to bear much fruit of the Spirit to the glory of Abba, Father, forever. By grace through faith. Ref. Acts 26:18; Ephesians 1:11-23. #Firstfruits #Omega
The Fruit of the Spirit:
1. Holiness - Romans 6:22; Romans 11:16.
2. Love - Galatians 5:22; John 13:34; John 15:12; Matthew 5:22; 1 Corinthians 13..
3. Joy - Galatians 5:22; Isaiah 61:1-3.
4. Peace - Galatians 5:22; John 14:26-27.
5. Patience - Galatians 5:22.
6. Kindness - Galatians 5:22.
7. Goodness - Galatians 5:22; Ephesians 5:9.
8. Faithfulness - Galatians 5:22.
9. Gentleness - Galatians 5:23.
10. Self-control - Galatians 5:23.
11. Righteousness - Ephesians 5:9; Matthew 6:33.
12. Truth - Ephesians 5:9; John 4:23-24.
The one who has ears, let him hear.
@@TimothyChapman But tell me, where did the Hebrews of Jesus's time heard that it was said 'hate your enemy'?
@@pierreferguson1300 Matthew 5:43 is talking about relationships between INDIVIDUALS. Leviticus 19 is talking about relationships between NATIONS.
@@TimothyChapman But Matthew 5:43 quotes Leviticus 19:18
Because Amos 3:7
Read the prophets, beginning with Moses at the end of Deut, continue with Hosea, Daniel, Jeremiah . . .
God told us all of these things would change. He even told us why. The changes are not a shocking surprise.
Beautiful, thank you
Excellent, clear, and concise and truth. Thank you for sharing this! Praying the hearts and minds of all will see and hear the truth and they will be set free from “the yoke of slavery”
@@JeffSmith-it4tm , how do you think you are you doing keeping it?
@@OneSparrow-76
AND HOW DO YOU THINK YOU WIIL FAIR NOT KEEPING IT ?
ROMANS 2:11-15 , " 11.For there is no respect of persons with God.
12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) .
PETER SAID THAT SOME OF PAUL'S EPISTLES WERE HARD TO BE UNDERSTOOD ALMOST TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO ; HOW MUCH SO TODAY , WITH ALL THE FALSE SHEPHERDS .
2 PETER 3:15-16 , ' 15.And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
WHO WAS MOSES ?
MOSES WAS THE MEDIATOR OF THE COVENANT BETWEEN THE FATHER AND THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL .
WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE MEDIATOR ?
THE MEDIATOR IS THE INTERCEDE FOR THE PARTY IN THE COVENANT ; HE IS THE PROTECTION ; THE SIN SACRIFICE FOR ATONEMENT AGAINST THE FATHER'S LAWS GOES THROUGH THE MEDIATOR , UNDER A PRIESTHOOD .
THE SIN SACRIFICE OF ATONEMENT THROUGH THE MEDIATOR MOSES WAS THE LAW OF ANIMAL SACRIFICE AND OBLATIONS THROUGH WORKS , OR THE LAW OF MOSES .
WHO IS JESUS CHRIST ?
JESUS CHRIST IS THE MEDIATOR OF THE COVENANT BETWEEN THE FATHER AND THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL .
WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE MEDIATOR ?
THE MEDIATOR IS THE INTERCEDE FOR THE PARTY IN THE COVENANT ; HE IS THE PROTECTION ; THE SIN SACRIFICE FOR ATONEMENT AGAINST THE FATHER'S LAWS GOE THROUGH THE MEDIATOR , UNDER A PRIESTHOOD .
THE SIN SACRIFICE OF ATONEMENT THROUGH THE MEDIATOR JESUS CHRIST IS THE BLOOD OF CHRIST THROUGH FAITH , OR THE LAW OF CHRIST .
MOSES AND JESUS GIVE YOU THE LAWS OF THE FATHER , BUT WHEN YOU TRANSGRESS THE FATHER'S LAW , THE ATONEMENT GOES THROUGH A SIN SACRIFICE LAW , UNDER THE MEDIATOR , THROUGH A PRIESTHOOD .
DEUTERONOMY 18:15-19 , " 15.The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
16According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
THAT PROPHET ( JESUS ) WILL GIVE THE PEOPLE THE SAME THINGS THAT THEY DESIRED AT HOREB ( MOUNT SINAI ) ; WHICH IS THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE FATHER ; WHICH IS THE GOSPEL .
HEBREWS 4:1-2 , " 1.Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
SHALOM !
@@OneSparrow-76 I think JeffSmith is talking about the “works of the law” as the yoke of slavery (Galatians 3:10). The works of the law are not the Law of Moses, but the law of men. But actually Gentiles who became Christians were instructed as to what portion of the Law they needed to keep along with the moral law, which is universal (Acts 15).
For historical purposes, we need to remember that at the beginning of the first century there was no Christian religion, but a branch of Judaism called “The Way” or Netzarim, which was made up of Jews and Gentiles (only later in Acts 11:26 they're called christians for the first time). Because of some Pharisee believers who wanted the Gentiles to keep the entire Torah, the apostles called the council of Jerusalem in Acts 15.
Returning to the present day, Jews from the Messianic Judaism keep their culture and the Torah, except for the laws of sacrifice (because Jesus has already completed in perfect form) and others that are fullfilled by the authorities.
The Body of Christ will be made up of Jewish believers and Gentile believers in harmony, loving one another as oneself. This is the Church.
May God bless you my friend!
@@JeffSmith-it4tm Amen, Jeff. Yeshua is God and He said:
"For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." (Matthew 11:30)
Thanks for posting this and addressing this topic. We recently celebrated Sukkot with a group considered Torah observant. We learned a lot concerning the OT forsure but I did have to remind someone about Galations because of some comments concerning circumcision and participating in passover. After experiencing a conviction, we decided as a family stop doing pagan holidays and birthdays last year. As you stated we have freedom as Christians to observe God's feasts (as they all point to Christ) or to rest on a Sabbath but to operate like your in bondage to the law...gets dangerous it completely dismisses what our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ did for us.
As Paul preaches, let NO ONE judge you for keeping God's Commandments...and Paul's teachings can be beautifully summarized in the following verse:
"Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, BUT WHAT MATTERS IS THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD."
1 Corinthians 7:19
Amen Jeff I appreciate your reply
@@jeffholder8018 And this is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. 24And the one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And we know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. ! John 3:23,24.. The Royal Law, (of the Kingdom of Heaven) the Law of the Spirit of Life that sets free from the Law of Sin and death... through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.Acts 13:39.... All true believers...those who have been born again have been crucified with Christ and no longer live, but Christ lives in them... Gal 2:20 we are raised from the dead into Christ , the Heavenly, Spiritual Adam Who is the progenitor of a whole new race... where our identity is in Him...our life is and (in) Him..
Hi Rob in Ezekiel 44:7 …God’s covenant was made void by bringing in foreigners into His sanctuary, uncircumcised in the heart and uncircumcised in the flesh. Got Torah Got Truth
What are your thoughts on Isaiah 56:6-7
08.26.2023
Thank you again for your teachings Brother Solberg. (I still need to catch your Part 2 interview w/M.Brown, I think his name is.)
Anyway, I've posted some of my short time experience w/the HRM folks a few times. I won't post the name of the man they were folllowing; although he does have a channel.
Or at least did the time I came upon him & to chat w/others you had to link in w/your email addy/phone# & give a real or made up moniker. It really bothered them, if when you logged on, you didn't sign in publicly or if you signed on as a "guest".
Anyway, when I came upon the channel, yes, as you've mentioned ... at 1st I was curious, etc. Oh I couldn't believe that I was celebrating Christmas, a "pagan" holiday to the HRM. I threw out all my Christmas decor & told my family that I no longer observed that particular day (the 25th).
One of the things that REALLY irked the "inner circle" of the group was that I was using Jesus' name instead of "Yeshua" or one of several names they used. I felt as I was pressured into changing my moniker from Jesus to Yeshua.
Also, at least 2 of them said Paul's letters gave them headaches, as well as calling "Christians" names or having a hatred of them.
Oh I could go on & on, but I'll just mention a couple other things.
They were really diligent about keeping the Sabbath or Shabat? (Friday nite to Saturday nite) & the Feasts, etc. So I stopped working on Sunday.
Although, where I live, there are no HRM temples or people that I could locate; so all of my "interaction" w/them was done online. And I believe a few other members only commun-
icated in this way, concerning their faith.
Concerning questions. Yes, if anyone came on to chat & asked SIMPLE questions, unless you almost immediately agreed w/the HRM teachings, you'ld be bombarded w/negative comments.
👑JESUS IS LORD!!!👑
Wow..lots of attacks here about the truth.
"Who is this that obscures my plans with words without knowledge?" 👈🧐 The Lord asked of Job & still has many applications today! HRM lack the grand plan. Mosaic covenant made completion of the Abrahamic covenant possible (father to many nations/Gentiles). Gentiles have NO PART in the Mosaic covenant & were never meant to! We Gentiles come into the Kingdom of heaven by faith just as Abraham did (Romans 4 : 16)
@godsgoodnessandgrace
Why do you say there are "lots of attacks here about rhe truth"?
If anyone attacks you for your beliefs, let them be attacked for theirs.
@DieBibelistGottesWort Yes, Jeremiah 31, the prophecy chapter on the renewed covenant. Just who are the 2 groups that are listed?
Hello! Praise JAH! Psalm 68:4 KJV and his name alone is the most high Psalm 83:18 KJV
(Exod 31:13 [KJV])
Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it [is] a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that [ye] may know that I [am] the LORD that doth sanctify you.
Sacrifices do not or ever cleanse us from our sins. But it is the father that cleanses us from our sins.
(John 12:32 [KJV])
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.
"In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood."
~ Hebrews 9 : 16ff
agreed...abraham was made righteous by faith before he went up the mountain .
@@kimartist God made a convent with Abraham. But there was no death. The convent of circumcision.
This man is a living example of someone who has fallen afoul of;
Isaiah 28:13 - But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
Thank you I needed to read this.
This is who God is speaking to in Isaiah 28:
"Priests and prophets stagger from beer
and are befuddled with wine;
they reel from beer,
they stagger when seeing visions,
they stumble when rendering decisions.
All the tables are covered with vomit
and there is not a spot without filth."
~ Isaiah 28 : 7ff
@@kimartist Are you trying to say that Isaiah 28:9-13 only applies to official priests & prophets of God and not to anyone else?
So what, ordinary people are immune from Isaiah's instructions & warning as to how the scriptures must be studied? Really, that makes sense to you?
Maybe read the whole passage. It's about a drunk that can only understand nursery rhymes.
Here a little ,there is a little is a mocking poem in Hebrew. Don't believe me, look it up. And read the conclusion. They fall, are broken and snared.
Secondly, are you an Adventist?
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I found one article about the poem. It didn't quote the whole poem but It was an anti-Isaiah article, so no bias in my favour there.
Yes, Isaiah does condemn the literal drunkenness of the priests & prophets, and I can believe that Isaiah may have subtly referenced this poem in order to rub the message in - maybe.
But if you think that's all there is to it, I don't think it's me that needs to read the whole passage (chapter 28).
Firstly, whats the problem with the drunkeness?
It results in these people being unable to correctly discern the truth - see v7.
Secondly, it's far more serious than just literal drunkenness.
They are also deliberate purveyors of lies & falsehood - see v15.
Thirdly, Isaiah referring to them as drunks is also condemning of their unclean spiritual state, they are not only physical drunkards they are drunkards spiritually.
This is what v8 means when it says; "For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean."
(The Bible also uses filthy clothes to indicate spiritual uncleanness.)
If you think v13 is only about literal drunkenness and nothing else, how do you explain v9&10?
V9 makes the point, that in order to learn knowledge & understand doctrine you have to be a spiritual adult, not a spiritual baby.
And v10 explains how you get this knowledge & understanding of doctrine.
It says; "FOR", in order to learn knowledge & doctrine, "... precept MUST be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"
It's not possible to make v10 about drunkenness, it's clearly about how God/the Bible teaches knowledge & doctrine.
As v9 has already said, its about;
"Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine?"
Also if v13 is drunkenness then v10 would logically also have to be drunkenness - and that makes zero sense.
Why?
Because that would mean, that in order to learn knowledge & understand doctrine (v9), God is recommending drunkenness as the best way to go (v10).
V13 follows on from v9&10 and states what happens if you don't follow the instructions already given in v9&10.
V13 is presented as the opposite of v10 and restates the instruction of v10.
V13 is clearly saying, if you don't follow the instructions of v10 you will: " ... fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken."
In other words you won't learn knowledge & you won't understand doctrine.
If you think simplistically, this is just about drunkenness and nothing else, you have not been weaned from the milk, or drawn from the breasts.
No, not Adventist, it's much worse. Will elaborate if you so desire.
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{You yourself know you can't keep the commandments in thought word or deed.}
Great video as always Professor Solberg. Keep doing God's work.
Can you explain what is our duties now That we are in the faith of Christ. How do we show our good fruit, sir. And what commandments are not burdensome for us. Thank you before hand. looking forward on hearing about this. God bless
Here's a short video we made on that exact topic, Charles: "Keeping the Commandments" czcams.com/users/shorts59Yp1Ghi-DU
Blessings, Rob
St John. 13th cpt. V 34
Read Galatians.
(Luke 6:47 [KJV])
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
(Luke 6:48 [KJV])
He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
(Luke 6:49 [KJV])
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
Thank you and be blessed ❤
So keeping the Sabbath is a "law of Moses" but the rest of the 10 Commandments are not?
How exactly does that work?
@glenwillson5073 Sabbath long preceeded "Moses." God began His Sabbath rest on Day 7 & has been resting ever since. See Hebrews 4 to understand why every day is Sabbath for those who believe.
@@kimartist 《Sabbath long preceeded "Moses." God began His Sabbath rest on Day 7 & has been resting ever since. See Hebrews 4 to understand why every day is Sabbath for those who believe.》
You say, "God *began* His Sabbath rest on Day 7"
God says, "he *rested* on the seventh day" (Genesis 2:2)
God says, "he *had rested* from all his work" (Genesis 2:3)
You say, God "has been resting ever since"
God says, "My Father works hitherto, and I work" (John 5:17)
If you are teaching people to break God's laws, you are a believer of someone but it's certainly not God.
Even the very title of this video is a deception & a lie.
"Why we cannot follow the Gospel of Jesus AND the Law of Moses at the same time"
The law of Moses is the law of God. It's the law God gave to Moses. It's not & never was Moses's law.
Therefore an honest title of this video would be;
"Why we cannot follow the Gospel of Jesus AND the Law of God at the same time"
So it's a choice of follow Jesus or follow God is it?
I have some bad news for you.
When Jesus returns he intends to enforce, what you deceptively call, the "law of Moses".
Now, why would that be do you suppose?
Zechariah 14:
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
@@kimartist
Just that Statement of everyday being a Sabbath to those who believe exposes how IGNORANT you are of the WORD, or it may be SELECTIVE ignorance!
Sabbath means resting from works. Therefore if you go to a job, or do any work any day of your life, you will be BREAKING THE SABBATH, since you want to say every day is a Sabbath Rest !!!!!!!!
God gave us six day to do our work and make a living, so we could rest on Saturday work free.
Sounds to me you are not trying to follow God, but your own will and Righteousness!
I thank you sir for your teaching I thank God for chosen the person like you to teachers the truth
I am so glad that I learned about Solberg. I was really struggling with some teachings coming from the hebrew roots movement. He does a wonderful job of clearing some of these issues up for me.
Thank you, Angryowl! I'm so glad you found us. God is good!
Rob
AND- I am finding that asking the Hebrew roots believer certain questions, tells you even more about them. They are making claims that they are “keeping Torah“. So I’ve begun asking them questions directly from the Torah that they claim to keep. They downplay Christians who go to church on Sunday, and claim that they are “keeping Shabbat” while gathering Each Saturday. When I ask them about all the work that they do on Saturday in setting up tables and chairs, cooking lunch, cleaning pots and pans after lunch, sweeping in mopping floors after Shabbat and I mentioned that I believe that is classified as “work“, they don’t answer it. In other words while they say that they are keeping Shabbat, according to Torah, I really don’t believe that they are. And while claiming to eat “biblically clean“, they eat in restaurants that cook pork and shrimp on the same grill that their chicken was cooked on. And they purchase deli meat, such as beef and chicken, but it is cut with the same meat cutter/slicer that the ham is cut on. These are legitimate questions. When I read the Torah, it looks pretty strict about contamination. The big question is this. If you are really claiming to keep Torah, ARE YOU REALLY???
Why do you feel entitled to critique their behaviors? Do they do that to you? Or does it just irk you that they don't do things the way you do them?
For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’ “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Matthew 25:35-46
If you're going to critique Torah observant people, then it's fair to critique Christians. With how many professing Christians there are in the US why is there poverty in the US?
Also there would be no need for the foster care system if every professing Christian family adopted one child.
@@HannahSkyLaneJesus said that the poor will always be with us. Much of poverty is a mindset, but not of course ALL. Anyone professing to walk with Jesus should help the poor. So many people choose to stay in their situation because the American government takes care of them. In Matthew 7:6 Jesus says to not throw your pearls before swine.
@@Gigi2four my point is why do Christians have the right to tare down and criticize people who want to keep the Torah, when Christianity is lacking as a whole in what Jesus told them to do.
Focus on yourself.
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No. He’s only logically questioning their claim that they follow the Torah, and yet they don’t. It’s a legitimate question to inquire why some group of people claim to be living X yet all they do is Y.
I See it also this way:
Galatians 3:12
The law is not of faith
Romans 14:23
Everything that does not Proceed out of faith is sin
So anyone who Puts himself under law is sinning. There is no cherry picking allowed. All of the law and failure and sinning or grace and being dead to the law and dead to sin.
@schnittteisen The law (i.e. Mosaic covenant) was the framework by which Jesus' death became salvatory. It wasn't enough just to kill Jesus, there had to be a legal framework which made His expiation legally binding for all time. The problem the Torahists have is they are focusing on non-salvific portions of law (food & days), patting themselves on the back for it & missing the entire point of Jesus' death. They say their law-keeping activities aren't for salvation, but the ENTIRE POINT of the Mosaic covenant was FOR SALVATION. It's like missing the forest for the trees.
What does “after the order of Melchizedek “ mean?
Hi, Stacy. The phrase "after the order of Melchizedek" means "of the same priestly system or regime as Melchizedek," or "like Melchizedek."
RLS
Thanks you
17:10 Counter 4: The first veil was torn, for the believers who are considered priests to enter, but the Christ still sits in front as the veil, as a mediator (High Priest), between the father. aka no man comes to the father except through me. As also spoken in Hebrews
The first veil? No! Jesus has entered into the Most Holy Place to appear before God on our behalf. God didn't dwell in the holy Place. He dwelt in the Most Holy. Jesus entered through the second veil to appear in His presence, and is not seated at the right hand of God.
@@toddott633 I agree, that is what the second half of my thought says. The first veil is torn and Jesus sits where the second veil used to be. I probably didn't convey my thought well
@@dmoffitt1914 😊
Please keep reading in Galatians 5! You stopped at the end of verse 2, but in verse 4 Paul clarifies exactly what he was admonishing them about, namely: "You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be JUSTIFIED by law(-keeping); you have fallen from grace" by trying to use the Law as a vehicle for salvation. He gives the same warning in much of his writing, including Romans. You have fallen into the error of Dispensationalism. It's not about Law vs. Grace, it's about Law AND/WITH Grace. Jesus said that we must live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God; "every" means every. Thank you, brother. This is good for us to 'debate' in love.
Very good! Thank you
Thank you. I know these foundational things but to find the scriptures and put together as a teaching has not been one the Spirit has called me to do. I am grateful to have on hand what you have been called to do and we can share to all.
Personally I am a Jew, but I really enjoy your videos. I would love to take a theology class of yours and see your point of view.
It is so hard for the Jews to understand that truth, and that is because of the veil when the veil is removed, they will understand, and then they will become like the apostle Paul, they will be the most committed preachers all over the word, the end and conclusion of this things will be closer than ever.
So far I like this study. Can you please tell me what denomination this site is from? Thank you.
Glad you're enjoying it, Lorrie! We are non-denominational Protestants.
Blessings, Rob
I’ve been watching your videos on the Sabbath and I’m a bit confused. The Sabbath was given only to the Jews and was a sign between them and God but you say you have no issue with anyone who wants to observe it as long as it is not for salvation. People can go to church any day of the week but they cannot “keep” or hold holy what God has set aside. We rest in Christ and awake the sabbath rest of God when we die. Please help me understand how you can hold to the end of the law (meaning everything has been fulfilled and set aside) and yet the observance of the Sabbath of one chooses. Thank you! I also am non denominational.
@@lorriewhite7886 quote--- The Sabbath was given only to the Jews and was a sign between them... unqoute
When they rejected Jesus 3 times, then the WORD went to the gentiles.
mark 2:27 Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
That means ALL mankind!!!! Not just for the Jews!!!
-----quote--- People can go to church any day of the week but they cannot “keep” or hold holy what God has set aside. .. unquote
God RESTED, BLESSED, SANCRFIED, NAMED and Declared as HIS HOLY day ONLY ONE DAY!! The seventh day!!!
---quote---Please help me understand how you can hold to the end of the law (meaning everything has been fulfilled and set aside) and yet the observance of the Sabbath of one chooses. .. unquote
If Jesus fulfilled ALL 613 Laws, then we ALL can sin, there wil be NO laws!!! Where there is No law--there is NO sin!!!
He fulfilled ONLY preist hood laws, ceremonial laws and the sacrificial laws!!!
@@lorriewhite7886 read Hebrew4 Jesus is our Sabbath rest.
This is brilliant. Great points. It does however leave the question of exactly what we ARE to do with the law of Moses, not least given that it is part of our Scriptures. Does "Moses" have now only a pedagogical role to lead us to Chirst, or is there also a greater sense in which following Christ involves keeping the law in the way JESUS kept it?
Then what did Jesus mean when he said not one jot or tittle will pass away from the law till heaven and earth pass away?
Until all is fulfilled. The law was not abolished but fulfilled in Jesus, hence his statement “it is finished” on the cross.
I truly love your channel and have learned a lot. I have a very close family member who feels that the moral laws were never replaced by Jesus. Which in a way is true. They feel that the lessons and Galatians doesn’t count towards the moral laws from the Torah and therefore we should still have the Saturday Sabbath, stay away from pork and shrimp etc…, and that we need to continue to practice The Feasts and Festivals. They follow Armstrongism. What do I say to them?
Imagine Jesus celebrating the feast of saturnalia, calling it his birthday, and expecting God to be okay with it!
Complete with the tree, mistletoe, chestnuts etc.
Roman catholic church invented Xmas!
The Christians follow the Catholics
Israel tried to worship God with their own traditions and God judged them for it!
Idolatry is something Israel struggled with throughout their history.
So they understand and recognize idolatry.
The Jesus that mainstream Christianity sells through traditions like Xmas is rightly recognized as idolatry by Israel, so I don't blame them for not accepting this Jesus that mainstream Christianity is trying to sell.
So somehow Christians expect God to accept their offerings of idolatry, when He wouldn't accept it from the Israelites, ..... because your Catholic/Christian!???
@@qw2ps4 is this a response to my message? I don’t understand how it answers it. Please explain. Thank you,
Hi, Debby! Yes, the "laws" of God that define right and wrong were true long before the Law of Moses was given. So when God commands us not to murder today, it’s not because of the Ten Commandments. It’s because of His universal principle against murder. Long before God gave Israel the Law of Moses, Cain was judged for murdering his brother Abel (Gen 4:8-16). Same thing with sexual morality. Under the New Covenant, God doesn’t forbid adultery because of the Ten Commandments. Unfaithfulness and sexual immorality were wrong long before the Law of Moses, as we see, for example, in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen 18-19). Because mankind was made in God’s image, we have a “compass” of objective morality, so to speak, baked into our human DNA. And under the New Covenant, God's law is written on our hearts.
The food laws are not a matter of morality in and of themselves. They are a matter of ceremonial or ritual purity. It is, of course, immoral to disobey God about anything He commands us to do. But eating animals, for example, that were not ritually slaughtered is not a matter of morality on its own. God was just fine with sojourners and foreigners eating those things (Deut 14:21). They were only forbidden for the Israelites.
The Bible teaches that the Law of Moses was given at a specific time to specific people for a specific purpose. Much of what was given at Mount Sinai included God's universal "laws" about right and wrong and loving God, which were in effect long before the Law was given. But the purpose of the Law of Moses was not to set a new moral standard. It was to turn a ragtag group of recent slaves into the nation of Israel and set them apart for God. And embedded in those Mosaic laws of ceremony, ritual, distinction, and civil order were shadows that pointed to Christ. And it's _those_ laws that have been fulfilled by Christ and are no longer binding under the New Covenant.
I teach and believe that obedience is God’s “love language.” Jesus said, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments” (John 14:15). And I'm sure you would agree that not every command that God has given applies to every person at all times. Some of His commands only apply to certain people (i.e., men, women, parents, Levitical priests) or for certain times (i.e., building an ark, gathering manna, while in exile). And I'm sure you would also agree that we are each only expected to keep the commands of God that apply to us. The NT teaches that the ceremonial Mosaic commands do not apply to Christians today. (ex. Repeated blood sacrifices for sin are no longer required (Heb 10:18).) We still serve God and obey His commands, “But now we are released from the law, having died with Christ to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6).
Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots Thank you for breaking it down for me! Truly appreciate it. Hope you have a wonderful rest of your day. 😊
@@TheBiblicalRootsoh I'm flabbergasted, I can't read past this idea you just passed by this woman. That God changed His mind on adultery, that on the new covenant He's alright with it.
Yikes!!!!!!
GOD HATES ADULTERY PERIOD!
You obviously missed the part where Jesus condemns the woman to stoning!
At that moment, she was on deaths door!
The caveat was there was no one there who could cast the 1st stone. They may have all been guilty of this.
Jesus knew something was up, because where was the man that she was caught with!
When they all left, He had to let her go because He knew it was Torah to let her go!
It says there HAS to be 2 or 3 witnesses! That's Torah!
So she got off, BUT He warned her to not sin again. In other words don't be in an adulterous relationship again!
Paul gives us a list of the sin that leads to death and adultery IS on it!
YOU HAD BETTER STOP WITH ERRONEOUS TEACHING, BECAUSE GOD HOLDS THOSE WHO TEACH FALSLY TO HIGHER STANDARDS!
Meaning you will answer for it!
Thank you.
In find it interesting, that when someone/some group wants to ignore or create a new 'tradition' they always use the terms 'old testament' or 'old covenant'. But, when they want to provide verses to prove (whether valid or not) that they don't have to or need to do these things anymore - then most of the time they say "because Scripture says... ".
Well, it didn't take but a couple of minutes for Mr. Solberg to do the 'old junkie testament opposed t the new shiny Scripture' move.
Roman's 2:13 I guess would create a great debate about which laws we are to keep. Roman's 2:27 to me seems to shade it more to the keeping of All of God's law - yes except for those that pertain to sacrifices and temple rituals since there is no temple. Plus, doesn't it say in Isaiah or Revelation that when the new heaven and earth are established that all will come to God's holy mountain to offer sacrifices again?
How are we to handle Paul's instruction to Timothy that All Scripture is good for reproof and correction?
I agree with a lot of what you say regarding folks in Hebrew roots who think their righteousness is in their works but you then go way overboard and entirely miss what Jesus instructed us to do. The spiritual mechanics in how He saves us is through the very laws you say don’t apply. Jesus said in Matthew 5: 17-20 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
First off the Pharisees judged by the law but they did not do the law them self. Jesus made this hypocrisy an open spectacle. Jesus said the law nor prophets will go away and that he came to fulfill them. When we read those parts of the law concerning ritual cleansing and indeed of sacrifices, it is amazing to see different aspects of what Jesus came to fulfill in our lives by his blood and through his Spirit! For example, there are sacrifices for atonement and sacrifices for peace offerings with Yah. The only way we could ever keep the law, indeed, is only available by being cleansed by his blood & faith that he will change our hearts by the work of his Spirit. I know what you’re saying to yourself right now, whoever said we had to be perfect? Well, Jesus did at the end of the same chapter Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
And we know when we are given a command we are empowered by him to do it! John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Wrought is a metalwork term which means to be beaten out, like his decorative metal is beaten into art. John gives us more detail in 1 John 1:5-10 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Don’t get hung up on verse 10, keep it in context of the chapter. A lot of people think that we aren’t able to overcome sin. That’s not what this chapter is saying continue reading the whole book of first John and you’ll see, particularly with the very next few verses in chapter 2. In fact, John gives us an image of what being transformed by Christ and his Spirit looks like in 1 John 3:1-10 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Jesus’ apostle John says that sin is transgression of the law and that if we sin we have not known him (or his power). Because to know him is to experience him working in your life. To remain in him you are unable to sin because he is unable to sin. Following the law becomes his work in you and you walk in his righteousness. Hebrew roots walks by their own righteousness but when I follow God’s moral law it’s his work in me that allows me to do it. His righteousness not mine.
This brings us to which parts of the law remain. Acts 15 does a good job, but we shouldn’t think that we’re free from walking in the parts of God’s law that deal with morality. Jesus said all of the law hang on the first wall which is to love God with all your heart mind spirit body soul and I love your neighbor as yourself. When you do the first it causes you to want to live a moral life to be in sync with our Father. When we start to do that he fills us with his love so over and abundant that we love our brother where we never could before on our own. In Galatians and Peter we were told what people who won’t go to heaven look like, eg idolaters, murderers, slanderers, back-biters, etc. For each one of those things there are corresponding Mosaic laws. But when we walk in his Spirit he changes us and allows us to keep his law in perfection!
‘Then it will be righteousness for us, if we are careful to observe all these commandments before the LORD our God, as He has commanded us"(Deut. 6:25). It isn't smart to contend that Moses was wrong when he said that, especially when God had him say those words.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Moses wasn’t wrong! Yahshua didn’t come to destroy law or the prophets but to fulfill them AND they won’t be fulfilled until the end of earth. Can Jews perform ritual washing or sacrifices today? No, God took that away from them and Yahshua is why. Deuteronomy 4:2! Now I hear a lot of Hebrew roots people talk about doing the Torah, and that by doing so they are considered righteous by their working of the law, but they have to pick and choose which Torah laws they follow. Genesis 9:3. If you following the Torah laws concerning not eating certain foods, you ignore Genesis 9:3. This is worse when you judge someone who is not keeping kosher! If you look how Yahshua fulfills large portions of Torah law by Acts 15, for example, 1 John 3:1-10 makes more sense. Because you aren’t saved living in your sin unchecked! He came to destroy the works of the devil and because his Ruach can’t sin you shouldn’t be able to by default if he remains in you always and you in him. Sin is transgression of the law! So I agree that it’s important to study it, which is what Jesus taught in Matthew 5 closing by him commanding us to be perfect as our Father in heaven is (through him)!
What a privilege to be God's temple!
Thanks for the informative video. I heard lots of facts brought up, but like any other presentation, context is added or taken away upon bias.
I am A Torah observant believer and have been enjoying the blessings substantially.
On that note, in my experience it is not the Gods law believers that are the ones pushing or shunning the others, but rather the other way around.
I know many love God and just want to be sure they are on the correct path. For those that are nudged and feeling something just isn’t adding up, I say continue to research for yourselves and pray daily for knowledge and understanding.
One more thing I observed, they “elevate”. Almost in a Gnostic type of way. They say they have a faith with the “deeper” things of God, elevating themselves above those who do not follow the Law.
Rob I would like to know, when did the law(Torah) end?
When he died?
When Jesus rose from the dead?
When He went to heaven?
Hi, Alex! The Torah has not been done away with. It is a part of Holy Scripture. Every Christian Bible begins with the Torah, and it is, therefore, “breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.” (1 Tim 3:16-17). More than that, the Law of Moses plays an important role in the life of a Christian. It witnesses against our sin (Rom. 7:7), points us to Jesus (Gal. 3:23-25), teaches us about God and the history of His people, offers wisdom and insight, deepens our understanding of the person and work of Christ, and challenges us to love God (Deut. 6:4-5) and love our neighbor (Lev. 19:18).
That said, *the Law of Moses is not binding on followers of Jesus as a body of legal requirements of obedience.* This is the consistent witness of the biblical authors across the NT (Acts 15:1-29; Rom. 7:6, 14:1-23; Gal. 3:24-25; Col. 2:16-17, etc.). This doesn't mean that Christians are without a law and can do whatever we want, of course! Jesus and NT authors give us many commands. Christians are absolutely called to live lives of love, service, purity, obedience, and moral virtue (Gal 5:13).
Blessings, Rob
@RLSolberg
Hi Rob.
Thanks for your thorough response.
If you say, "the law of Moses is not binding on followers of Jesus as a body of legal requirements of obedience." Why did Jesus, Paul, and all other apostles still keep the law (as seen right across the NT, Acts 15:20-29, 21:20-24, 24:14)?
You also said that you can reconcile the OT and NT? But Jesus, Paul, and all the apostles did exactly that. They kept the sabbath, feasts, SACRIFICED, and the ate clean (not kosher).
I don't expect an answer this time, I know you only answer once.
Shalom to you
Alex
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Since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith.
A person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith, not by works.
Follow God’s example, therefore, as dearly loved children and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
If righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"
@krisztianpatay9812
Hi Kris.
I never and no body does, say that we are saved by our works.
Both of us don't murder or commit adultery. If you do that, you are keeping the law because the law of Moses says it.
Or else why don't you do it??
Now all that I do extra is keep the feasts, keep the sabbath and eat clean. I am saved by faith.
Thank you for posting this video. I am contending with a friend regarding this very topic. He's not yet at the 'requirement' stage. I'd like to know why Paul had Timothy circumcised. I can only speculate that it allowed Timothy, who's mother was Jewish, to go into places where only Jews were allowed in order to minister with Paul.
Hi, Rick. Yes, I agree that Paul circumcised Timothy for the sake of the church’s mission, in order not to unnecessarily offend the Jews since Timothy would be entering into Jewish synagogues and homes. It's the same approach Paul describes in 1 Corinthians 9:19-23. "I do it all for the sake of the gospel, that I may share with them in its blessings."
Shalom, RLS
Point 4.5 Circumcision: Paul writes in Gal 5:1-4,6a” Galatians 5:1-6 “It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery. 2…if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3…to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. 4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace….6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything,…”
A professor should tell you when you read Paul, most of the time you are only getting half the story, so let’s look at the other half. Does Paul contradict himself when he says it doesn't matter if you're circumcised or not in v.6? In v.1 is Paul saying the Law and circumcision is a yoke of slavery? He writes here: Romans 2:25 - 3:2a “For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a transgressor of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 26 So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God. Rom 3:1 Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? 2 Great in every respect…”
Rob makes the statement that circumcision is an insult to the work of Christ on the cross. I would revisit Rom 3:1-2a above on that assertion.
The elephant in the room; Timothy's circumcision. So just after the “starter pack” parts of the law formulated in Jerusalem we read this: Acts 16:3-4 “Paul wanted this man (Timothy) to go with him; and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in those parts, …his father was a Greek. 4 Now while they were passing through the cities, they were delivering the decrees which had been decided upon by the apostles and elders who were in Jerusalem, for them to observe.”
According to Christian theology, Timothy was now severed from Christ, and put in bondage and slavery to the Law, and this was done by the Apostle who wrote most books of the NT. You might say well Timothy’s mom was a Jew. Well many Messianics Jews believe they are not bound to the Law either. Is there evidence Paul did not teach against circumcision? Well yes there is according to the Jerusalem, church.
Acts 21:20a-24,26 “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law; 21 and they have been told about you, that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. 22 What, then, is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. 23 Therefore do this that we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow; 24 take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law….26 Then Paul took the men,…went into the temple giving notice of the completion of the days of purification, until the sacrifice was offered for each one of them.” So Paul kept the Law just as the apostles in Jerusalem did who suggested he take this vow and even offered sacrifices and this was after the work of Christ on the cross! Was the Father and Christ insulted by this? I will conclude with these passages from Paul.
1 Tim 1:6-9 “For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, 7 wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions. 8 But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, 9 realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane,…”
@@flyguymt Good post.
@@boltingpuppies Thanks for the support. We need to stand strong for what we believe because it is the full gospel.
If we reread Exodus 26:31-33 and bypass the physical attributes of the Most Holy Place, and understand that people did not obtain the sciences we have now, it’s clear that based on the description, God is talking about the human heart.
My brother ( aHebrew Roots believer) visited me today. We talked about different subjects, but mainly scriptures. He said that the pastors tell church members because they are saved by grace, they can live as they like. I tried to explain that it's not what is meant because even Apostle Paul hinted at- grace is not a license to sin. He went on and on about eating pork, following Laws, Statues, and Commandments of God. I told him that there's no way I can follow these laws perfectly, but he said that I should follow them to the best of my ability. This is not the first time I'm discussing this with him and his family, but they seem to be blind to truth. From now on when we talk and they tell me the same things, I just listen and don't comment on it. I have to agree to disagree because it seems like there's no point. They left Christianity for Hebrew Roots. I continue to pray that the God opens their eyes to see the true gospel.
I'm so sorry to hear that, Miranda. I know how frustrating that can be! One thing I have learned over the last five years of engaging with folks who hold these beliefs is that there is not any one verse or argument that will snap them out of it. This doesn't mean we shouldn't respond, but it does mean we need to adjust our expectations. There is no passage that you or I could cite that would cause your brother to suddenly realize the error of his ways and admit his mistake. That’s because, at the end of the day, this is not really a theological problem. Christians who adopt a Torah-observant lifestyle (and are divisive about it) seem to do so as an issue of identity or a misguided psychological/emotional commitment of some sort. And I very much believe there is a spiritual aspect to it, as well. With some people, you can almost see a spirit of legalism overtake them.
So when we are conversing with HRM, what I have learned to look for isn't an “aha” moment where they suddenly see the light but rather an abrupt change of topic. That is the telltale sign that we have presented them with a piece of information that they don't know what to do with either because (a.) they had never heard of it and/or considered it before, or (b.) they know it's a weak spot in their HRM theology. We have "jammed up their machine," so to speak. And because they aren't seeking the truth of Scripture with an open mind, but rather arguing to bolster a preconceived position, they will rarely stop to consider the new information we offer. Instead, they switch topics. It is also exceedingly rare for them to acknowledge any positions of nuance. Their thinking is very black and white, as you may have already noticed!
The good news is that presenting a strong biblical case to our friends and family does eventually add up over time, especially if it's shared in love and bathed in prayer. So my advice is to love him, pray for him, but hold your ground biblically. Don't let him guilt you about not eating kosher, not keeping the Saturday Sabbath, and so on. Our salvation and our righteousness are complete in Jesus! There is nothing we can do to add a thing to the righteousness that is ours through faith in Him!
If you haven't seen it yet, you might find this video helpful:
*Five tips for responding to Torah-keeping family and friends*
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Blessings, Rob
Such great teaching as always ! Thank you so much for all your great work... making a way for believers to find true Freedom and Life in Christ through the Gospel ... !
Have you ever noticed what Revelation 12:17, 14:12 & 20:4 have in common?
Its important for believers to understand that God describes these people as the saints!
Why is it important?
Because in Revelation 20:4 & on we find it's THOSE PEOPLE that raise from the dead & reign with Messiah for 1,000 years!
Time for Christians to wake up from their sleep!!!
Who are they that come back with Christ in Revelation chapter 19 verse 14
In the section about the physical Temple and that it is not relevant any more, this verse was shown. Rev 21:22 “I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.” So Rob pretty much shut the door on those that might believe otherwise. But….from the same prophet he makes this statement earlier in the same book: Rev 3:12-13 “He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name. 13 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’” So depending on your personal theology, you can decide what this means. Just remember that God is seeking those that worship him in Spirit, and in truth.
I would like to hear your opinion - what exactly is the "Law of Moses" - i.e what laws are included and what are not, and most importantly what is the reason for that statement. I have personally found that there are some important verses that need to be correlated between Gal 3 and Ex 24. There were laws given that were part of the covenant, the people heard these accepted them , then the book of the covenant was sealed, blood was sprinkled and the covenant confirming meal was eaten, that basically seals that agreement. AFTER this, God calls Moses up on the mountain again and gives him the tablets and "the Law" and the commandments to "TEACH THEM". This cannot be part of the covenant, since it cannot be added to as Paul explains in Gal 3. This is the school master part that we are no longer under - and it agrees well with the points you raised here in this vid. However the feasts, Sabbath, 10 commandments have nothing to do with re-conciliation, those are instructions in righteousness, if you chuck these out as part of Moses law, or of ceremonial stuff, you are basically sinning.
Outstanding and clear! Thank you Professor Solberg. Thank you for contending for the Faith 🎶🙏🏼🙌🏼
Matthew 19:16-17
Thank you; this was a timely video for me. I know someone getting deep into Torahism. One counter point I would make about point #3. You rhetorically ask, "why would God destroy His temple for 2,000 years and leave us with no way to fulfill his temple commands?" Couldn't the same argument be given during the Babylonian exile? The temple was destroyed, and the Jews were in Babylon with no way to fulfill his temple commands. My Torahist friend believes a 3rd temple will be rebuilt "any day now" in Israel. From his perspective, this is just another period like the exile period between temples. How would you address this argument?
You other points are spot on. Also, minor coincidence: I taught 6th graders in sunday school about 6 hours ago and went over the gospel in Galatians. I hit the same point you made about putting one's hopes in legalism (while still avoiding antinomianism).
Great point about the temple! And there is one significant difference: when the first temple was destroyed and Israel was sent into exile, God told them that it would last for 70 years (Jer. 25:1-14), and what they should do while they were in exile (Jer. 29). The same is not true of the destruction of the second temple. The only biblical prophecies about that temple came from Jesus who said it would be utterly destroyed.
As far as the idea that the third temple will be rebuilt "any day now," it's certainly possible some form of physical temple will be rebuilt at some point in the future. Scholars are divided on whether Ezekiel's prophecy refers to a literal physical temple, or metaphorically to the presence of God dwelling among his people. Either way, when all is said and done, the Bible explicitly tells us that in the New Heaven and New Earth to come, the New Jerusalem will have no temple. "And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb" (Rev. 21:22).
Blessings, Rob
As long as people do not right divide then they will remain confused. 2 TIM 2:15
Amen
Once the Seventh Day Sabbath was BLESSED by God, this means that it can never be changed.
Thank you for so many answers. Our son is Torah and we worry about the children.
Thanks, Mark. I'm glad you found us! If you haven't seen it yet, you might find this video helpful:
*Five tips for responding to Torah-keeping family and friends*
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Blessings, Rob
Great teaching. Thank you. There are 613 Laws in the Mishnah for Tulmadic reasons. That said, if you read through all of them, you might find the answer is in the middle. The ceremonial laws seem to be replaced by the grace of Christ, the cleanliness laws protected Israel in a time absent antibiotics, and the remainder seem to lay a nice ground work for loving God and your neighbor. “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.” 2 Tim 3:16-17
Very well said. A christian believer, whether Jew or Gentile, is not under the law of Moses but under the law of Christ (whether that person is aware of it or not).
As believer of Christ, the very source of our life, spiritual growth and maturity is not the law of Moses but Jesus.
Jesus is the better Moses.
It says in Ezekiel that a temple will be rebuilt and the Messiah(the prince) will bring offerings on its alter. Please read Ezekiel.
God bless you Dr.
Do you believe in Trinity or Only one God believer Please ?
Both, actually! The doctrine of the Trinity says that there is only one God, and that He is triune in nature. I believe the Bible teaches the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one Godhead.
Blessings,
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots
God is one. This is the greatest doctrine of the entire Bible. “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD” (Deut 6:4). When the Lord Jesus Christ was asked about the greatest commandment, the Bible records, “And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord” (Mark 12:29). It is clear from the response of the scribe that the Jews understood “one” to mean one single person -“he”. “And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he” (Mark 12:32). What the above means is that there is no room whatsoever for a so-called doctrine of the “Holy Trinity”. What is the doctrine of the Trinity? In its most basic form, it states that “(1) God is three persons (2) Each person is fully God (3) There is one God” (Grudem, 1994, p. 231)
@@TheBiblicalRoots
Remember what the scribe replied when the Lord quoted Deuteronomy 6:4? He said, “…there is one God and none other but he” (Mark 12:32). If the personal pronoun “he” has any meaning, it ought to mean one, indivisible individual. The Bible clearly establishes that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all one and the same person. Seven hundred years before the Lord was born in Bethlehem, Isaiah prophesied, “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6). The child or son is called “The everlasting Father”, according to Isaiah. The Bible always provides several confirmations of vital doctrines. When the Apostles suspected the Lord was claiming to be identical with the Father himself, Philip requested to see the Father because he did not think the Lord Jesus was the Father. The Lord’s response to Philip disproves the teaching of the doctrine of the Trinity...
John 14 (KJV)
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⁹ Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
¹⁰ Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
@@milkbeltonlyjesus5570 Yes, see Grudem #3.
Blessings, Rob
Rob, who is the God of the Gentile, and who is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
"Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since God is one-who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith" (Rom. 3:29-30).
RLS
@RLSolberg I ask you a direct question: Please name the God of the Gentiles and the God of the Jews by name? If you can.
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto THEM: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. HEB 4:2 WHO IS THEM?????
4:51 The Temple of God WAS rebuilt! In 3 days! The priesthood are believers in Jesus & the sacrifices are our worship & reasonable service.
An endless religious focus on what we must do or not do creates a risk of distracting us from the one great thing that God calls us to do; "And this is His commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us" - 1 John 3:23. In the end when all is said and done, it is the redemptive work of Christ Jesus that is central to Scripture just as Revelation 5 tells us:
"And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth. Then He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne.
Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song, saying:
'You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.'
Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice:
'Worthy is the Lamb who was slain
To receive power and riches and wisdom,
And strength and honor and glory and blessing!'
And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:
'Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and ever!'
Then the four living creatures said, 'Amen!' And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever." - Revelation 5:6-14
The law had one purpose...to be a harsh schoolmaster driving us to our knees to the feet of Jesus in repentance. Those who do not fully trust in the redemptive work of Christ tend to fall under the false belief that their works give evidence of their salvation as if God did not know who were His and who were not. They will focus more on what they have done and less on what Jesus has done and drag others into the legalistic hell they created. Thinking of all the works they did, they will be like those who Jesus spoke of when He said; "On that day many will say to me ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’" - Matthew 7:21-23
I have a Facebook friend who constantly posts pro-Torah things, and especially things by Skip Moen... anyway, it's VERY DIFFICULT to talk about how the Law of Moses has been fulfilled, and that we're no longer under it, without coming across as, or being accused of, being anti-Torah or anti-nomian...
Yes, it is! Unfortunately, many "Torah observant" Christians are unwilling or unable to take a proper, balanced view of Scripture and instead paint everything in black and white. We've got a 1-minute video coming out this week that addresses that very issue.
RLS
Just read st Luke cpt 24 cpt. V44
Properly understood the keeping of the Torah is not bondage it is liberty.
A great deal of the NT can't be understood with out the knowledge of the Torah.
The feast days are prophetic in nature. The spring feasts, Pass over for example forshadowed the events from the crucifixion through pentecost.
The fall feast forshadow the second coming.
Understanding this completely changed eschatology.
You are completely right, we do not need to sacrifice animals for the attonment of our sins any long. Does that mean it is now lawful to murder? Of course not.
The fulfillment of one component of the Torah does not negate the remaining majority of its body!
I also understand that a great deal of variety exists in the Torah movement. These differences are no greater than the theological difference within main line Christian denominations.
Sean from kingdom in context has really been confusing me whether I’m supposed to keep the law or not. He also teaches that there will be blood sacrifices going on in heaven. I just don’t know
Hi, Roccy. The reasons I don't believe there will be blood sacrifices in heaven are:
1. Hebrews 10:18 says, "there is no longer any offering for sin"
2. Revelation says this about the new heavens and new earth: "death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.” (Rev. 21:4).
3. If there were further blood sacrifices, what did the blood sacrifice of Jesus accomplish?
I hope these points help bring you some clarity.
Blessings!
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots thank you so much you’re awesome. I think Sean believes that the whole purpose of Jesus dying on the cross was to become our high priest and not to atone for our sins. That seems semi insane to me but… 🤷♂️
The Torah says that sacrifice is required only when a temple is standing. No sacrifices are required or even permitted once the temple had been destroyed, just repen
One of the odd things about keeping the Torah is that Leviticus 16 outlines how the priests are to perform the rituals for the day of atonement. It also says it should be done forever.
Although the "forever" part could be questioned since Jesus took this away and it isn't going to be done forever, making it seem as though God changed his mind, Torah defenders often claim that the reason they stopped the sacrifices was because the temple wasn't there after 70 AD.
The problem with this is that in Ezra, they didn't have a temple and performed the ceremonies. But even more intriguing to me is that the ark of the covenant was not in the second temple. This causes a problem because the ark of the covenant was necessary for the performance of the sprinkling of the blood and the incense.
So, for hundreds of years before Jesus even was born, the day of atonement was not performed correctly. And nobody talks about this.
But it doesn't matter. Someone will have a justification for it. There is always a justification for, and an argument against, most things.
"But on the other hand, Jesus, because he remains for all time, has a priesthood that is permanent."
~ Hebrews 7 : 24
The "forever" part occurs in heaven, not on earth.
Interesting points. Also notice that these sacrifices were done _prior_ to the first temple as well (in the tabernacle). According to Ezekiel the sacrifices will be performed in the millennial age. Clearly those in the first resurrection (those in new sinless bodies) will not be sinning. Those in mortal bodies who enter that age will be sinning and apparently will be making these sacrifices. These sin sacrifices never took away sin and never will take away sin _so they do not contradict_ the actual/real sin sacrifice, Jesus. They pointed to Jesus and will point back to Jesus. They _may_ also still serve to purify during that time. We'll see. We should believe God when He says 'forever'. In the eternal age there will be no sin to sacrifice for...so no death. There is a lot we don't yet fully understand but like Abraham we still must believe God when He tells us something. When He says 'forever' He means 'forever'.
Speaking of Day of Atonement, while it will still be observed it will become a joyful occasion.
Zechariah 8:19
"This is what the LORD Almighty says: "The fasts of the fourth, fifth, *seventh* and tenth months will become joyful and glad occasions and happy festivals for Judah. Therefore love truth and peace."
Interesting, Jesus mother was related to Zachariah and Elizabeth who were levites and from the line if Zaddok. Prophets weren’t from levites solely but all
So, if all of the Law if Moses was discarded by Jesus, the Word (i.e., Torah, Prophets, Writings, Gospels, Epistles, and Revelation made flesh), then why did Jesus command people He healed to go and do what Moses commanded at the Temple?; why did Paul circumcize Timothy right after the Council at Jerusalem where they decided that new converts should be taught 4 basic commandments from the Torah?; why did Jesus never say one word against the Sabbath but instead reminded people that it's lawful to do good on the Sabbath? Let's say someone suddenly invents a teleportation device costing consumers only $1. Overnight all traffic laws would, indeed, be rendered meaningless ... but that wouldn't necessitate the abolishment of all laws governing other areas of life. Similarly, Jesus' self sacrifice on the cross did render all laws pertaining to the priesthood and animal sacrifice at the Temple obsolete, but that doesn't mean that all laws were so rendered. Indeed, in Hebrews 4 we read about the ongoing necessity of Sabbath-observance, not for salvation but, yes, for both our good and for obedience's sake (i.e., obeying God's behavioral do's and don'ts from a heart of love and humility is always valid, which is why, when Jesus explained who will enter and who will not enter His kingdom, He gave nothing more and nothing less than lists of behaviors, something that the Parable of the Talents also implies). Indeed, the last few chapters of Acts are all about Paul standing up against "false" accusations that, in teaching about Christ, he was simultaneously preaching against the Law. Paul's own behavior showed that he upheld the Law, even 14 years after his conversion and longer. In Matthew 5:17-23 Jesus upholds the Law, emphasizing how none of it shall pass away until after heaven and Earth pass away. I believe He was overstating His point in order to make it clear, just like when He told followers that, in order to follow Him, they would have to eat His flesh and drink His blood. Jesus knew full well that His death and Resurrection would render unnecessary part of the Torah commandments, but ... still, He wanted to make sure that no one would interpret future events as an indication that all of the Law had been done away with. Indeed, a better word selection for the Greek "pleroo" in Matthew 5:17, traditionally translated with the English word "fulfill," is "fully preach," "fully reveal," or "fully make known" ... translations that align much better with the context of the immediate verses, whereas "fulfill" does not fit. Consider: The Torah was the Word that Paul commanded the Bereans to test his teachings against. Lastly, I know that arguments from silence generally are not strong ones, however, it's simply true that in all of the places in the New Testament where one would expect to read words from Paul, Jesus, and others denouncing the Law and teaching a replacement doctrine, we simply do not find them. Again, Paul ended up in Rome ultimately to spread the Gospel, yes, but it all started with him having to stand before various rulers in defending his reputation as a Torah-observant Christian. A good video to watch is 119 Ministries' "Which Law, Paul?" on CZcams or www.testeverything.net.
I believe for unbelievers the mosaic law is still condemning them but when we come to faith in Christ we die to the law and to sin. We die and are raised with Christ so that’s why the law isn’t abolished we just die to it. To walk in newness of life and The Holy Spirit makes changes within our hearts and teaches us the morality behind the laws and works within us. God bless
And that’s also why Christ does not “fail” the Deuteronomy 13 test as some say.
Great point!
Wowww this is so fascinating. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 I love your teaching. Thank you so much 🙏🏼
Do you have any Theology Courses ? 💕
God is forever Gods love is forever what makes you think that his laws aren't either?
There is a clear distinction in Scripture between "God's laws" in general, and the specific law that he gave to the nation of Israel through Moses at Mount Sinai. And His Word tells us that the Law of Moses was never intended to last forever (Gal. 23-25).
Shalom, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots its clear distinction that your teaching the opposite of what the Lord was teaching. It's clear that your teaching the opposite of what moses was teaching. It's clearly your against what Gods says to do and against his way of doing things.
@@TheBiblicalRoots if you cant realize that God last forever and so does his laws and everything that comes with him then there is no more to talk about. You would know that is you read the beginning of the bible. Its everywhere in the bible so theres no excuse for you to say you dont know
@@TheBiblicalRoots the correct way to say this is if your a priest follow the laws that apply to priest and if your a man follow laws that apply to man and woman follow laws that apply to woman. But when it comes to doing something Gods way to be cleansed of sin that applies to everyone because everyone sins. And when he says it's a lasting ordinance its forever like the rainbow and his word. Dont tell me or anyone you dont have to follow the commands of God. Especially if it's to make atonement to God.
I love your studies!! Do you have a video on blood sacrifices in the millennial reign? Some say there will be sacrifices and temple in the millennial
Yes we can... The gospel is the real keeping of the torah.. in a renewed way. Walking in torah is what Jesus told us all the way... Its not complicated. The evangelical gospel is a romanic gospel. The new testament never told us to abolish torah, but to keep it in the right way.
Remember the torah were the books that Jesus and all the apostoles used, and the all the disciples for about 300 years.
All the time the new testament is talking about the scriptures its talking about the Torah...they didn't have new testament, neither they thought they would have one.
12:53 counter 3: Because the curses of the law have to be enacted because of sin. The temple is a sign of peace peace between man and God. And when wrathful judgement has to be enacted the temple goes away, aka turn my face from you.
I follow Jesus.
All those instructions apply to US as the third and final temple. Time to sit at YESHUAS feet
We ARE Yeshuas feet... & hands & all the other body parts combined & commissioned to actively GO not passively SIT.
@@kimartist how far from truth you are. We must sit at HIS feet to become the true feet while being the feet.
Regarding animal sacrifice. I agree that aninal sacrifice never took away sin. It was a reflection of what was happening in the heavenly realm on our behalf. That being said your argument then does not hold up. If you claim there is no point to continue to partake in sacrifice after the crucifixion then there was also no point in doing so beforehand.. so which is it?
Hi Sheldon. Of course there was a point in partaking in sacrifices before Jesus. That was what God _commanded_ for sin atonement. But now, "there is no longer any offering for sin" (Heb. 10:18).
Shalom, RLS
Solberg,
Tell Us, do We "FOLLOW" YAHUWAH Our ELOHIM, or MUST We "FOLLOW" YAHSHUA Hamashiach?
I SEE that since YAHSHUA had ASCENDED into HEAVEN, People are to FOLLOW/OBEY Him, and "NOT" ELOHIM Anymore.
Did YAHSHUA "REMOVE" ELOHIM out of the EQUATION?
Is YAHUWAH Our ELOHIM "NOT RELLAVANT" Anymore?
Please PROVIDE Scriptures.
SHALOM