What is wrong with the Hebrew Roots Movement?
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- Even though the motivation behind the Hebrew Roots Movement (Torahism) might include some noble ambitions, their teachings contain dangerous ideas. We're going to look at the three biggest dangers of this false belief system, and hear some real stories about how those teachings damage families, friendships, and even churches.
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00:00 What's the big deal with the Hebrew Roots Movement?
00:27 What is Torahism (aka Hebrew Roots, Torah-observant Christianity)
01:49 Salvation vs. obedience
03:20 Danger #1: Torahism is unbiblical
06:52 Danger #2: Torahism is divisive
13:23 Danger #3: Torahism undermines Christ
19:17 Wrap it up, Solberg
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Aunque la motivación detrás del Movimiento de Raíces Hebreas (Toraísmo) puede incluir algunas ambiciones nobles, sus enseñanzas contienen ideas peligrosas. Voy a compartir con ustedes algunas historias reales sobre cómo esas enseñanzas dañan a las familias, las amistades e incluso las iglesias mientras observamos los tres peligros más grandes de este sistema de creencias falsas.
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I was a seventh day adventist, and have a brother law that was condemned for not keeping the sabbath. Also sense being one my life has changed for the worse. I hope for your prayers.
There is a huge overlap between Torahism and what Ellen White taught. My wife is SDA and is wrapped-up in a self righteousness with a deaf ear to the Truth.
William, Praying for you! 🙏🕊️🙏
Many times they will take a soft approach that says they don’t want to push their beliefs on anyone and then in a very short time they are telling you that you aren’t really even saved.
I've experienced that very thing, Jonathan. Thanks! RLS
There is a widespread misunderstanding among the church about justification and sanctification. We are justified by faith. We are sanctified by obedience - obedience to His commandments. You cannot lose your justification. It is the gift of God.
@@TheBiblicalRoots
Jonathan…Torah defines sin, as our (Godly) schoolmaster who brings us to Christ for forgiveness through repentance. 1John clearly declares that IF you keep on sinning, you never knew Jesus in the consummated marriage sense, exactly like the casual religious virgins who Jesus told (because they had no Light): I tell you the Truth…I never knew you! In spite of their waiting on Him!
W H Y ?
“…Thy Word is the LIGHT for my path.” They did not LOVE THE WORD, our Bridegroom…JUST LIKE ALL THESE SADLY RELIGIOUS PEOPLE WHO SAY “SABBATH IS NOT REQUIRED FOR MY SALVATION!” Which is technically true…but if you do not LOVE SABBATH AND THE WORD, YOU NEVER KNEW HIM!!!
“Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is an eternal SIGN between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, YHVH Elohim, sanctify you. 14You shall keep the Sabbath, because it is holy for you. Everyone who profanes it shall be put to death.” Ex31:13esv
If that doesn’t sound like a wedding ring, I don’t know what does…and you are correct about not earning salvation…but painfully remiss about forfeiting Salvation because you don’t conform to Jesus, who isn’t returning for casual hypergamous gold-diggers who don’t LOVE Him, and just want what He can give. If no man wants a bride like that, how can you imagine Jesus would! He tells us straight-up that He will cast those casual religious gold-diggers out into the outer darkness with the other sinners who lived various things more than obedience to the Law of Liberty and Life!
Not required to earn salvation, but to KEEP IT…like a
🕎Rev14:12 Saint✝️
I know exactly what you mean.
You're disobeying the New Testament. @@nickylouse2
1john 5:3 for this is the love of God, that we kept his commandments and that they are not burdensome.
Context my friend.... context.... learn it, THEN quote it. 1 John 3:23: And this is his commandment, that we should believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, even as he gave us commandment.
Yes! ... John was quoting old testament!
Also Num 15:15-16
Hopefully everyone here realizes 1 Torah ALL Israel!
most christians believe that obedience is a bad word!
We are ALL grafted into same Tree! HalleluYah!!!
4:06 ...
1 John 2:3-6 "And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, 5 but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: 6 whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.
ABSOLUTELY, Jaylar!
🕎Rev14:12 Saints✝️
"I do not nullify the grace of God. For if righteousness comes by the law, then Messiah died in vain." (Galatians 2:21). "Messiah is the end of the law unto righteousness for every one who believes." (Romans 10:4). Therefore by the works of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for through the law comes the knowledge of sin." (Romans 3:20). "Then they asked Him, 'What shall we do that we may work the works of God?' Yeshua answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent." (John 6:28,29). "For He is our peace, who has made both groups one and has broken down the barrier of the dividing wall by ABOLISHING in His flesh the enmity, that is THE LAW of the commandments contained in ordinances, that IN HIMSELF He might make the two into one new humanity, thus making peace," (Ephesians 2:14,15). "I want to learn this from you" Did you receive the Spirit through the WORKS of the LAW, or by HEARING WITH FAITH? Are you so foolish? Having begun in the SPIRIT, are you now being perfected by the FLESH?" (Galatians 3:2,3). "What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, until the Seed should come to whom the promise was made." (Galatians 3:19). "But the LAW entered, so that SIN MIGHT INCREASE, but where sin increased, GRACE abounded much more." Romans 5:20). "But before the law came, we were imprisoned under the law, kept for the faith which was later to be revealed. So the law was our tutor to bring us to Messiah, that we might be JUSTIFIED BY FAITH. But NOW THAT FAITH HAS COME, we are NO LONGER UNDER A TUTOR. (Galatians 3:23-25). "He blotted out the handwriting of ORDINANCES that was AGAINST US and contrary to us, and He took it out of the way, NAILING IT TO THE CROSS. (Colossians 2:14). "If the ministry that brought DEATH, written and ENGRAVED ON STONES, was glorious so that the children of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, the glory which was to FADE AWAY, how will the ministry of the SPIRIT not be more glorious? For if the ministry of CONDEMNATION is glorious, the ministry of RIGHTEOUSNESS much more exceeds in glory." (2 Corinthians 3:7-9). "There is therefore, NOW, NO CONDEMNATION for those who are in Messiah Yeshua. For the LAW OF THE SPIRIT OF LIFE in Messiah Yeshua has set me FREE from the LAW OF SIN AND DEATH." (Romans 8:1,2).
@@adamperez8555"But I reveal to you, brothers, that the good news which was preached by me is not according to man. for I neither received it from man, neither was i taught it, except by a revelation of Yeshua the Messiah." (see Galatians 1:11,12). "Keep in mind that the patience of our Lord means salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul has also written to you according to the wisdom given to him. As in all his letters, he writes about these things, in which some things are hard to understand, which the unlearned and unstable distort, as they also do the OTHER SCRIPTURES, to their own destruction. (see 2 Peter 3:15,16). There is no contradiction in Scripture, which is the Word of God, just a misunderstanding of which covenant we are in by those who think they are still under law. Yeshua's ministry was still in the old covenant, teaching law to those under law, showing them they could not keep the law and needed a Savior. (see Matthew 10: 5,6, Matthew 15:24). The new covenant didn't start until after the cross (see Hebrews 9:16,17). Jesus said He would send scribes, prophets and wise men. (see Matthew 23:34,35) which includes Paul. And Holy Spirit will "take what is Mine and declare it to you." (see John 16:15). So the inconsistency is not in God's Word, but in those who don't know what covenant they are in. No longer under any old covenant law, but ""the law of the Spirit of life in Messiah Yeshua has set us free from the law of sin and death (that's the law of Moses, see 2 Corinthians 3:6-9).
The commandments He was speaking of werent the ten or 600 commandments
@@richardstark1977🙌
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All FOOD is clean. "Food" being the key word here. The Torah defines what is food and what is not food (Lev. 11). Pork, shellfish, etc...these were never considered food. Keep in mind the definitions of words in the context in which they were written.
Romans 14 - the very first verse of the chapter lets us know Paul is addressing a disagreement in a matter of OPINIONS. The Law of God -- Scripture -- is hardly a matter of opinion.
Acts 10 - Peter's vision had NOTHING to do with food, but with the Jewish believers' prejudice against Gentile believers. Peter explicitly explains what the interpretation of his dream was (Acts 10:28). He NEVER brings up the issue of food. There's a good clue.
“For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.”
Romans 11:16-21 NKJV
Thanks so much Dr L R Solberg, your teachings on this matter is so biblically and theologically sound. Really enjoyed learning from you. This will help me in teaching others the same. God bless you brother.
I appreciate this conversation, biblical views and gentle explinations. I can only speak from experience, that there is a richness in observing the Lord's Holy Days. I would never tell another believer they have to, and we are to pursue peace with one another as much as possible. But I can not deny the blessing of setting aside mainstream Christian ideas to walk in more solid biblical observances. There is a line that can be easily crossed, which causes pride and division. But for those walking humbly with the Lord, He has something beautiful for those willing to step out into the pasture. Willing to question, 'Why do you do what you do?" And willing to 'leave Egypt', in a sense. There is freedom from bondage, a deeper side of connection between Jesus and the OT to be found. One must walk by faith, and follow the Shephard. If done correctly, there is nothing to be afraid of. Sadly, many have crossed that line and there lies the bad fruit, false theology and spiritual deception.
Thank you, Christina! That is a beautiful description of the richness and ancient connection that can come from a proper understanding of the Hebrew roots of our faith.
Shalom,
Rob
Christina Dufek
I hear you…but let’s look at the logic behind your comment “out of Egypt”.(if I may challenge your belief gently for a moment in love)
Read Hebrews 3 and 4 line by line.
Read each sentence carefully and slowly.
See God was angry with rebellious hard hearts…the people had been taken out of Egypt as you stated but could you unfortunately be falling into the same trap? Do you not see what God is saying here in both Hebrews 3 and 4?
“Today if you will hear His voice do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion”…
“Indeed was it not ALL WHO CAME OUT OF EGYPT led by Moses”?
“So we see that they could not enter in because of UNBELIEF”.
Do you not understand that Jesus Christ is Who you must focus on? You have rest in Christ Jesus 24/7 that is what you are reading….
There is a passage in Gods Word that speaks of a veil being over the eyes of the followers of Moses to this day…
Challenge yourself and find out where that passage is.
God Bless you Sister.
Praise His Mighty Name!!!
@@TruthSetFree-zm1ep Thank you for your challenge. I agree with all that you have said, as well as the warning. Any and all things must flow through the truth of, and love for, Jesus Christ. Otherwise the veil of unbelief still holds true.
To leave Egypt is to walk away and be set free from man made traditions, and allow the Lord Jesus Himself to reveal how all of scripture points to Him. We get to partake in the Holy Days that the Father established with that very veil of unbelief lifted. It is pure and joyous.
@@christinadufek9308 my family is trying to get away from these traditions we hold today, the bible is very clear that God despises the pagan holidays, idk once Yeshua found me I have wanted to do nothing except please my father, just as my Jewish Messiah and Savior Yeshua did. I see our holidays differently now, i think I see a lot of things differently now.. I do wonder why people think everything from the Torah is practically obsolete. Yeah, Yeshua said in Matthew 5 that he came to fulfill the law, not to abolish it. But, our God is still the same, the Torah breaks down a moral code that does great things when applied to your daily life. We may not be under the law but there is still so many blessings within its words.
Amen Amen Amen
You seem like a very sound teacher! I'm surprised you don't have more subscribers! I pray God will give you many more!
That is very kind of you, Steve! Thank you. This channel has been growing nicely over the last few months and I am trusting God that we will reach the people He wants us to reach. I am glad you're here.
Shalom,
Rob
Most sound teachers don’t have a large following. 👍
Rob,
I greatly appreciate your ministry! It has helped me so much to understand the (almost) overwhelming frustration of dealing with these issues. Your friend from Spain in the interview took the boggle right out of my own mind also when he talked about how they take things out of context like pouring water out of a glass (my own rendition) and HOW DO THEY GET AWAY WITH IT??
Our friends of over 20 years went all in on Hebrew roots and now we're sinners and lawbreakers. We used to fellowship and pray together. I only started understanding the jargon and the "Well, if Jesus said it then we should do it...) mantra, after coming upon the movement by wordsearching "Hebrew" after he was insisting we couldn't know the truth unless we knew the original languages. He still insists that he found this all out on his own by digging in and studying over a 20 year period. Of course, the commentary he wrote out when I told him I wanted to see his studies was in every aspect COOKIE CUTTER (in laymans terms) to what the mainline teachers of the movement put out.
I will go as far as labeling it (at least) cult-ish. Or, maybe that's a label I'm hanging on them because they've split up a long standing relationship/fellowship and I'm upset...and not just a little bit, to put it nicely.
At least now, after tons of research, I have an understanding and a peace about not being able to communicate any truth into the situation. It's still frustrating, but now I know why. I wrote a (somewhat scathing) rebuke to the points he wrote in his statement but decided not to give it to him because I know now he is not open to an honest, factual critique. I would call it programmed.What I will do is start sending him teaching after teaching from others, like yourself. He might be open to challenges from other than myself.
Again, I'm grateful to you for taking on the work of such a needed ministry. And there are many others who have taken up the battle also. God bless you.
@@khristanelson5076 I agree. I prefer the smaller humble accounts.
I am praying for ur ministry Dr. Solberg. Pls continue coz we got ur back....in Christ. Shalom
To God be the ALL the glory. Good day RL Solberg, i have a brother whis into Torahism way b4 he knew it existed(10years almost) and when i mentioned it he vehemently refuses they are of same feather. Anyway, my thanks to Jesus for ur humble work for His kingdom. Pls, never stop. Help us persevere and hold on to our faith in Christ coz He alone is sufficient. I am from the Philippines, my bro is now in the usa.
Thank you Jude. Bless you!
Rob
Dear brother thank you very much for teaching the Biblical deep study. May God bless you and use you miraculously in these last days.
He is lost.
My husband after being in the hebrew roots movement for well over 12 years and I for well over 3 officially left the movement about 6 months ago after carefully studying the word from front to back. Every stament you've said thus far on this is true, and that why we walked away from it.
@@TheFaithOfAbraham My husband and I have sadly watched the same thing happen. The congregation my husband was an elder of split due to Kabala and denying of Jesus. My husband had warned the elders a year prior and they did nothing till it was too late.
@@TheFaithOfAbraham I honestly believe they never believed in the gospel to begin with even when they were in church and weren't of us who believe in Christ. The reason I say that is because of the fruit Ive seen and what Scripture says.
I just love how you are approaching this topic.
Like a serpent.
" if your faith isn't strong enough to change your behavior to align with God's standards, what makes you think it will be strong enough to change your destiny?"
Don't use God's love and grace and patience to slip out of his defined loving commands. You know better.
"I want to learn this from you; Did you receive the Spirit through the works of the law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?" (Galatians 3:2,3)
@@richardstark1977 those that belong to Him, have belonged to Him before the foundation of the world. So, indeed we start and finish in the spirit. Perhaps the law was a physical subconscious reminder of where we come from and where we are headed back to.
@@primalway1317 The Father foreknew you from the foundation of the world, but you began in the spirit, when you were born from above by faith (see John 3:7).The law entered so that sin might increase, but where sin increased, grace abounded much more. The law goes back to the garden of Eden, the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The 10 commandments, written on stone, are actually called the "ministry of condemnation and death" (see 2 Corinthians 3:7-9). Adam had only one law and failed, but "by the obedience of ONE, the many were made righteous." (see Romans 5:19). Our life, in the new covenant, is not secured by our obedience, like Adam, but by the Obedience of ONE, Jesus. We have a better covenant based on better promises. So, I respectfully disagree, we did not start at the foundation of the world, every believer's beginning, was at the cross, when Jesus said "It is Finished." The only race we run where we start at the "Finished Line." That is the start that Paul is referring to when he asked the Galatians, "who bewitched you?" "Having begun in the Spirit (faith), you are now being perfected by the flesh?" Clearly, our lives began when we confessed with our mouth Jesus is Lord and believed in our hearts that God raised Him from the dead. Yes, God's plan for redemption is from the foundation of the world, but if we could be perfected by law, then why would Jesus have to suffer the cross?
@@primalway1317Looking at Scripture, I disagree with you regarding where we started, and when we belonged to Him. "therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called the "uncircumcision" by the so-called "circumcision" in the flesh by human hands, WERE AT THAT TIME APART FROM MESSIAH, ALIENATED from citizenship of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, without hope and without God in the world. But NOW in Messiah Yeshua you who were formerly far away have been brought near by the blood of Messiah. For He is our peace, who has made both groups one and has broken down the barrier (the law) of the dividing wall, by ABOLISHING in His flesh the ENMITY, that is THE LAW OF THE COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES, that He might make the two into one new humanity, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile both to God into one body THROUGH THE CROSS, thereby slaying the enmity." (THE LAW) (see Ephesians 2:11-16). So we didn't belong to God, didn't get our "start" until the CROSS. If you are under law, you are not under a "physical subconscious reminder of where we come from and where we are headed back to" rather you are placing yourself under the "ministry of condemnation and death" (see 2 Corinthians 3:7-9) by which no one was ever made righteous. (see Romans 3:20). Only by receiving by faith the "free gift of righteousness" (see Romans 5:17) do we become "the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus" (see 2 Corinthians 5:21). So all those who belong to God got there "start" by faith in the Finished Work of Jesus, not by the law of Moses.
Thank you for your videos. Studying HRM. Very compelling stuff. Appreciative of your counter arguments.
Q: How do you understand the 10 Commandments and Christian application? The HRM idea that no Christian really teaches to disobey 9 of them but Sabbath is the law mainstream practice breaks.
The 7th-day Sabbath of God's 4th Commandment.. is indeed the "one" ( well, 3 of the commandments, if u include The 1st and 2nd Commandments too of virgin Mary & Saints idolatry worship , and, making & bowing down to graven images, from the Catholics ) ... that most of Christendom agree to "practice" breaking... Sad : (
... Let's not forget the rebuke of Christ to the Pharisees of Judaism for keeping their man-made "traditions" over the Commandments of God, in Matthew 15 and Mark 7 ... Likewise, the "Pharisees" within Christianity have done and still teach the same thing. : (
Thank you, MC! I believe The Ten reflect God's perfect, eternal principles as expressed to the nation of Israel before Christ. They are part of our Bible and therefore "breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness" (2 Tim 3:16).
That said, Christians today under Christ and New Covenant are not under The Ten _as they were given in the legal sense_ through Moses. However, they still very much apply to us in spirit. For example, hidden in the prohibition against "images of God" (Ex 20:4) is the promise of God giving us His image in His Son, who "is the image of the invisible God" (Col 1:15). To see him is to see the Father (John 14:9). And yet, we are still to avoid idolatry (1 Cor 10:1-22). Likewise, we are not under the Mosaic legal regulations for Shabbat (Col 2:16-17), but we still have a Sabbath in Christ (See my video *Is Jesus our Sabbath?* czcams.com/video/uckzYhz99a4/video.html). And it is wise for us to take one day every week to rest in God and acknowledge Him as our Lord and provider. And the moral laws regarding murder, adultery, slander, coveting, etc. are all repeated and re-taught in the NT and still apply to Christ-followers.
Shalom,
Rob
My understanding of the OT law is that EVERYTHING stated in the Exodus to Numbers IS the law. Not just the 10 Commandments. What we carry forward in our Christian walk are the moral laws that God wrote in EVERYONE's hearts. See Romans 2:14-15. In my opinion, if Sabbath keeping is a requirement, then all the other laws should be kept. (I'm obviously excluding sacrificial laws from this conversation). The Israelites had to obey the whole law- not just the 10 Commandments. The rest of the law wasn't just made up by Moses. It was God's word.
Why do you Anti-Torah people call it HRM?
Very good, simple, biblical explanation of the problem. Matt Mahan, Ph.D., Biblical Interptretation
Why did Messiah keep Saturday Sabbath and Passover and the other Feasts ?
HI Jimbo. He did so because He was a Jewish man born under the law (Gal 4:4).
Blessings, Rob
Thank you for this video. We do a verse-by-verse study, and as we go through the passages, we try to point out things like what you are saying. Teaching like this are very needed. Keep it up.
Facts pertaining to God's law
Isaiah 8:20
20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Deuteronomy 4:2
2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
Proverbs 30:6
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Ecclesiastes 7:20
20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
Please note that these verses apply to all people, including Jesus also. After all, he taught them himself.
Luke 16:17
17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
Matthew 5:17-19
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14
13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Proverbs 28:9
9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
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But what did Apostle Paul teach which no other taught?
Galatians 2:16
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 3:23
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Galatians 3:10
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Deuteronomy 11:26-28
26 Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;
27 A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you this day:
28 And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the Lord your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.
Galatians 5:18
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Ezekiel 36:27
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Romans 6:14
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Wow ! I am really blessed to have hear about this Torahism movement .It really amazes me that people can easily fall for this false teachings that creeps into the church. 'Oh foolish Galatians ,who has bewitched you... ' Gal 3:1
Yes! Whew! Feels good to unite with others of the faith who are more grounded in the world than His Word..😅 ..safety in numbers
Paul the Pharisee said Torah keepers are under a curse:
"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!"
~ Galatians 1 : 8
"As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!"
~ Galatians 1 : 9
"For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.'"
~ Galatians 3 : 10
The Torah itself curses Torah keepers who fail to keep Torah:
"Cursed is anyone who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out."
~ Deuteronomy 27 : 26
Do you know anyone who does any of these?
"At the end of every seven years you must cancel debts."
~ Deuteronomy 15 : 1
"If anyone is poor among your fellow Israelites in any of the towns of the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward them. Rather, be openhanded and freely lend them whatever they need."
~ Deuteronomy 15 : 7
"Three times a year all your men must appear before the Lord your God at the place he will choose: at the Festival of Unleavened Bread, the Festival of Weeks and the Festival of Tabernacles. No one should appear before the Lord empty-handed: Each of you must bring a gift in proportion to the way the Lord your God has blessed you."
~ Deuteronomy 16 : 16ff
"If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.' Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid."
~ Deuteronomy 21 : 18ff
"When you build a new house, make a parapet around your roof so that you may not bring the guilt of bloodshed on your house if someone falls from the roof."
~ Deuteronomy 22 : 8
Guaranteed anyone who says they keep the law has not actually read it, because if they read it they would realize not only how much of it they have broken already, but how much of it is impossible to keep without a Temple in Jerusalem plus how much of it would run afoul of the lands that they live in if they went around stoning people for various offenses.
Voluntarily keeping a tradition(s) (eating certain foods, worshipping on certain days, celebrating certain feasts, etc.) is one thing, but requiring oneself/other people people to do so & puffing up with religious pride & claiming one is KEEPING THE LAW by so doing is a sure recipe for coming under the curses of God.
Beetle mania.
The way its looked at is, these are the laws God put on mankind and we are to follow them. Where as before Christ, to fall short was dangerous to ones salvation, now we are covered by the blood of Christ. So we ask for forgiveness for where we fall short. Ive really been digging in on this subject, and I have heard more scripture based arguments from the HRM. I am very interested in hearing the argument of Christians who do not feel torah is necessary.
We don’t keep the law perfectly nor for salvation that is why Jesus died on the cross for our sins. But just like a wife may take back her repentant husband for being unfaithful, he does not continue being unfaithful. He tries to be a better husband. Similarly, we desire to be a better bride of Christ. Will we be perfect? Not until His work is finished in us and we are with Him in heaven. Until then, we do our best, because we love Him and we want to do His will and over time He conforms our will to His.
My wife is getting into it. Glad ive found your channel.
I'm glad you found it, too, Maximiliano! Blessings, Rob
We don’t keep the law perfectly nor for salvation that is why Jesus died on the cross for our sins. But just like a wife may take back her repentant husband for being unfaithful, he does not continue being unfaithful. He tries to be a better husband. Similarly, we desire to be a better bride of Christ. Will we be perfect? Not until His work is finished in us and we are with Him in heaven. Until then, we do our best, because we love Him and we want to do His will and over time He conforms our will to His.
Thanks so much Solberg for video. So blessed by your teaching on that issue. God bless.
Ths teacher does 3 videos a day about followers of the way, wow this is great. Keep them comming brother.
Thank you so much for this video. I know this is kind of older but I'm really hoping to get some guidance here… I have been a Christian out of Mormonism now for about a decade and it's wonderful to be outside of the legalistic structure and live in our Savior by faith alone! I had never heard of Hebrew roots until just a few weeks ago when a gentleman instigated a debate with me on a comment that I left on another CZcams channel. Since investigating, there are actually many Hebrew roots that I don't mind so much since they also believe in salvation through faith alone and in their estimation, faith leads them to observe the Torah. That's wonderful for them! I am not an Israelite and I am a Gentile believer. Historically, the Gentiles have never observed Torah but specifically the Levitical feasts, kosher eating and such. This gentleman is on the other side of the spectrum where he is telling me that I must observe these things to be saved and it doesn't matter how much Scripture I use, he isolates versus pertaining to the obedience of someone in grace.
I want to defend the faith but I also want to heed Proverbs and not be drawn in to the simple shouting's of the foolish arguments of fools. I'm struggling to find the line. It's been weeks now trying to defend the faith in the face of his stubbornness and I'm exhausted. I have a pretty decent biblical understanding (we could all learn more) and a good historical/apologetics understanding but this guy can gaslight like no one I've ever met. is debating this man doing more harm than good? Should I continue to defend the faith as well as the assurance of my salvation? I would certainly love your opinion as well as the opinions of other Christians here.
God bless!
Jordan, I hope you’ll hook in to theBibleProject. As an ex Mormon Christian whose family has gone Torah, their podcasts have been extremely helpful to me. I also recommend Tim Mackie’s videos (for example his Matthew series) on you tube. He just teaches how the Bible is a “unified story that leads to Jesus” without trying to entangle with any particular cult or religion. I can’t recommend it more highly to you. Grace and peace!
@@spacebobs01 Thank you so much my sister! I'm so happy that you have found your way out of Mormonism as well. God bless!
I too am dealing with a Torahite.
They have a lot of hatred, contempt and disdain for non-Torahite Christians.
We do not love God because we do not love ALL of his laws.
We are stubborn and rebellious.
We are lawless.
We are children of Satan because in rejecting Torah practice we are 'doing whatsoever thou wilt,' a Satanic motto.
If we choose Sunday as our day of rest that is Rebellion.
All that these people do is judge and condemn.
They are evil minded with no love at all in them.
@@colingr318 yeah, it gets rough! I eventually was able to silence him by holding him to his own standard. I noticed that he had a trimmed beard which is against Levitical law. I noticed that he didn't wear the tasseled apron which is also against Levitical law. He had a Walmart shirt which is mixed linens. I really just reinforced that he was not keeping the old law and was therefore under its curse.
@@colingr318 I have had the exact same experience. It’s an elitist point of view that they seem to have, like they are His most special chosen people, top of the top, inmost circle of circles. Like it’s a competition. I can no longer reason with my family from scripture because they feel they have advanced beyond Christianity, therefore anything I think or say is beneath them. We’ve lost our relationship because of it
This is an interesting take concerning Bible interpretation; it is unfortunate that most of Christendom today follow the “replacement theology” style as you appear to do, this rings alarm bells in itself. May I humbly remind you of the warning that James gave concerning those that would set themselves up as teachers… Jas 3:1 (ESV) “Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness.”
As I watched your piece I noted many things that you spoke were indeed correct concerning Jesus Christ being our King and High Priest. Moses prophesied the coming of the Messiah.
Deu 18:18-19 (KJV) “I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. (19) And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken [H8085 shema. (Hear and obey)] unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
With this in mind let us now turn to the words that Jesus spoke as recorded for us…
Mathew 5:17-20 (KJV) “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil*. (18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (20) For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
*Make complete. (G4137).
I find that the reconciliation between your teaching here and the words the Jesus spoke in the above scripture impossible to correlate, furthermore, I find it surprising that you seem not to be familiar with the apostle John’s words in 1Jn 3:4 (KJV) “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.”
What do we call people who refuse to obey the law? Lawless, that does not take a master’s degree to deduce.
I feel sure that you will agree with me when I say that, when reading God’s word we must read it exegetically, the scripture you used in an attempt to justify all meats as being clean is a common misconception.
Mar 7:19 (ESV) “… since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)
However, the King James version says:
Mar 7:19 (KJV) “Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging* all meats?”
*Causing evacuation from.
Most Bible scholars agree that the words “Thus he declared all foods clean” are a later interpolation and out of the context of the discussion. This shows us how important it is to read the scriptures in context, here the religious leaders were accusing Jesus of breaking the rabbinic traditions (netilat yadayim) by allowing his disciples to eat bread without the ritual washing of their hands, it has absolutely nothing to do with eating meat.
I hope this has shed some light on the truth for you, but I encourage you and all that read this insight to be like the Bereans, do not just take anyone’s word for it, make the truth your own and do not read through a Hellenistic filter.
As a final thought…
1Jn 5:1-5 (KJV) Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. (2) By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. (3) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. (4) For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. (5) Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
Jesus told us all to "follow me", if Jesus kept torah impeckably don't you think we should too?
Shalom Aleichem.
"till all be fulfilled"...
"It is finished" - Jesus
19:15
If the destruction of the temple signifies the Law becoming obsolete -- if the temple itself has become forever obsolete, then why do passages like Isaiah 2, Jeremiah 31, Micah 4, point to a future time when all nations will again go up to worship God at His temple in Jerusalem?
I have a friend at work who is constantly telling me that not following the law of Moses is not being in full obedience to God. He claims the main reason is that Jesus said ‘follow me’ and obeyed the mosaic laws. I’m over trying to argue, all I can do is pray for him.
I hope it’s not too late, but ask this person where in their life are they struggling with the flesh. Read for yourself Colossians 2 & 3 and place emphasis on 2:23 and 3:5-11. I don’t know how close you are to this individual but if we confess our sins (of the flesh) to one another we shall be healed. Repentance of the heart (Colossians 3:1-17), not observance of the laws (especially matters of food) will set you free. And if the Son sets you free, you shall be free indeed (John 8:34).
Galatians 5:4 settles the issue for me and expresses the true danger of this movement.
Galatians 2:21 says it well not to following the Old Testament laws.
Thanks for the video Dr. Solberg! I love your content. I practice some of the Torah stuff as a personal decision to honor God and sometimes my family or friend asks about it. I try to be very careful not to come off judgmental, and try to articulate that this is a personal decision that is not required of me or anybody else. A video like this is a good reminder to stay vigilant of the dangers of legalism. It is a glorious thing that we have this freedom in Christ and are not held to the old Law, even though I have had joy, specifically in keeping kosher. Shalom.
That's beautiful, Kenton. Thanks! R.
New to your channel, you have great videos! Would you happen to have any info on how to demonstrate that pseudopigraphal books like Jubilees or Esdras should not be part of the biblical canon?
Bless you brother... Every single word you've said is the Truth.. And thank you for unapologetically giving the True and Living Gospel of our Precious Blessed Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth... God Bless you and keep putting the Truth out there.. You are doing a fantastic job my friend and brother
Do you have other theologians/teachers that cover this subject? I like your content and you bring great points. I'd like to have more information from other sources as well.
Thanks, Ernesto! Here are a few other teachers who have dealt with this subject:
Dr. Michael Heiser: drmsh.com/hebrew-roots-movement
Mike Winger also has some good teachings: czcams.com/video/QR7xTYhXEbo/video.html.
As does Andrew Schumacher: czcams.com/play/PLHpxocVjShD3ttsDP6nADNYr7q49MURcD.html
can I suggest an author. God. Bible. you know what to do.
@@TheBiblicalRoots I follow Andrew Schumacher. He recommended your content and thus I started to follow. I also follow Mike Winger - who in my opinion does great going in depth regarding the issues with the Hebrew Roots movement.
@@ernestosandoval4754 mike winger has tons of errors in his teaching of torah observant believers.
Here’s a great passage from The Greatest Author in the universe:
2 Corinthians 3:7-18
Remember way back in the Old Testament-Jeremiah 3:16-Jeremiah 3:8…read all Jeremiah 3.
Titus 1:14
1 Timothy 1:9
Roman’s 4:14-15
Read the Book of Galatians and Romans.
Read Hebrews 3 and 4.
God Be with you!
This brother is something else! 🙏🏽
Morning, Im so glad Ive found you. Im using our family account as my name is Ishmael. This is my brides name in the post. I have a deep brother who we used to pray, speak in tonges, fellowship together, minister etc. Well needless to say deep christians. His pastor started to claim that is better to worship in shabbat because is the Lords day and you might know the rest. My desernment lead me to seek this symptoms and I came across this "Insane movement". I see my friend and wife declaring dietary and shabbat laws that we as christians often brake. You asked at the beginning of the video to reach out to you and ask for help. Can you advice help etc? Blessings and I really enjoy your teaching. Blessings Sr.
Thank you, Ishmael! I'm sorry that you have to deal with this issue. I find it helpful to remember that keeping those Mosaic traditions is not prohibited for Christians. It is not wrong to eat kosher or keep a Saturday Sabbath, etc. We are free in Christ to do so. However, those things are not _required_ of Christians. So don't let them make you feel guilty. And remember to always interact with them in love (Matt 5:44, John 13:35), with gentleness and respect (1 Pet 3:15).
Apart from that, it is difficult to offer specific advice without knowing the people and what their motivations might be. Some folks I have spoken with have been willing to engage in a deep conversation about Scripture. Others just get mad and don't want to talk about it. What is difficult in your situation is that your friends seem to be under the authority of a pastor who is leading them into Torahism. So it might be difficult to get them to test or challenge their pastor's teaching. I have a lot of videos here that might be helpful. And if there is a particular topic of passage you would like some help with, please let me know!
Blessings,
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots Brother Rob, wow spot on!! As a retiree FDNY we follow critical orders or people die, and I can see what you said about, "them following and questioning their pastor" can mean for them. Yes I speak in love but I want him and his wife to see this is wrong, is in my DNA, "in love" . Rob Your knowledge and videos are dynamite. I pray Yeshua Jesus continue to bless you and keep putting this videos so well put together and full of word and wisdom. Blessings and Shalom.
Did you find, in Sean Griffins pod cast with you, to change any of your belief in Torah observation?
Hi, TIC! No, my position on Torah-keeping for followers of Jesus has not changed.
Our son has become active in the Hebrew Roots Movement. My first thought was as long as he has given his life to Christ and lives a Godly life, fine. My concern is he seems rather legalistic. Funny part is he hopes some day I will see the light. I try not to be judgemental and just pray he grows out or beyond this to be closer to God one way or another and freed in Christ. I like your approach. I will subscribe and see where it goes.
Thanks, Mike! Yeah, it's tough to know exactly how to respond to loved ones who start following this thing. Here's one of my videos you might find helpful: *Five tips for a biblical response to our Torah-keeping friends and family.*: czcams.com/video/FRKc65y4NLU/video.html
Blessings,
Rob
Strange prayers, etx
I am in Hebrew roots, it is 100% healthy, don't worry about anything. There are so many mistakes in today's chuches. too much paganism. One of them is Sunday, another teething, strange prayers...
@@tatianalapaeva935 I listen to most of your video...you truly do not understand our father word..the simple fact is all those old laws are about our creator loving us and how we are to love him and others..please study more and stop teaching others to sin..please I beg of you..The sabbath and feast days are a memorial to father and his son...look it up..Matthew 15:24 and Heb 8:10 psa 119..but there r many other.1 john 3'4 .let the spirit teach you not man.and the word of God has nothing to do with being Hebrew root or a jew. with zac is party of both.but I agree with him in many things but not all, Where did God or his Son call his people christian or was that man Do you know?? www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=memorial&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1
I like to make the point of differentiating between keeping the Torah and keeping the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments are summed up as loving God and loving our neighbor. In John 14 and 15 we read, “If you love Me then keep My Commandments.” He doesn’t say if you love Me keep the Torah. The Ten Commandments are written on Stone by God Himself. The Torah was written on paper by man via God.
Hi Mr. Solberg! I just found your channel. A few questions:
-what is the difference between messianic Judaism and Hebrew roots/torahism?
-is it okay for believers (whether jew or gentile) to observe some of the commandments just out of enthusiasm? (Not out of a need for salvation or anything)
-if not the law of Moses, what instructions are believers supposed to follow? When Yeshua says “follow my commandments,” he then quotes the law of Moses, implying that the instruction of the Torah is still relevant…
Hi, Ruth!
1.) Both are believers in Jesus. *Messianic Jews* are people who are (a.) ethnically Jewish and believe that (b.) the followers of Jesus are not required to keep the Law of Moses. On the other hand, *Hebrew Roots* are (a.) Gentiles who believe that (b.) the followers of Jesus *_are_* required to keep the Law of Moses.
2.) Yes, the NT teaches that keeping the Mosaic traditions is permitted but not required for followers of Jesus. But it's important to note that doing so will not add anything to our righteousness in God's eyes (Gal. 2:16).
3.) When Yeshua says “follow my commandments,” he does *not* then quote the law of Moses. The Torah is still relevant, but the Law of Moses is no longer required. (See our video: *4 Facts About the Law of Moses* czcams.com/users/shortsp_gI9z79GAA
Blessings, Rob
Thank you, Dr. Solberg. Your answers bring literal tears of relief. Simple. Straight to scripture. Clear. I’ve been asking these questions since 2012 and have never gotten such concision, only more confusion. Freedom is blossoming! Been in/out of Hebrew Roots since 2012.
@ruth5227 This is the simplest answer to your question.
Isaiah 56 “Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
3 Do not let the son of the foreigner
Who has joined himself to the Lord
Speak, saying,
“The Lord has utterly separated me from His people”;
Nor let the eunuch say,
“Here I am, a dry tree.”
4 For thus says the Lord:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 Even to them I will give in My house
And within My walls a place and a name
Better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give [a]them an everlasting name
That shall not be cut off.
6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants-
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant-
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
8 The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says,
“Yet I will gather to him
Others besides those who are gathered to him.”
-is it okay for believers (whether jew or gentile) to observe some of the commandments just out of enthusiasm? (Not out of a need for salvation or anything)
*Why? That’s like asking should an atheist be moral if there is no cosmic scorekeeper making a list and checking it twice, trying to figure out if they have been naughty or nice. They will just ask, “Why bother, it’s not going to make any difference to my outcome.” Once you release people out from under God’s law and authority, people will inevitably creep over to a might makes right sort of survival of the fittest opportunistic mentality-especially when push comes to shove. The law of God, on the other hand, teaches love as the primary motivation in its two great commandments, so any attack on the law is intended as a direct attack on love itself. So, the question is do we have to love God and our neighbor in order to be saved, if not, then our future will inevitably become a very unloving, dangerous existence. This is why the last two parables of Matthew 25 are the two great commandments in disguise. When the unprofitable servant did no works, his master tossed him out as unprofitable, but spared those who did works and increased their talents. When the goats did no works, Christ sent them to the firey furnace prepared also for Satan and his angels. Because the goats weren’t willing to lift a finger to help those in need. But, the sheep who did the work of meeting the needs of others were spared. So, Christ seems rather clear that our salvation depends on doing the works of the law, the opposite of what most Christians teach today. Because, Christ in Revelation 22:12-14 jealously guards the tree of life and entrence into his holy city, granting that honor only to commandment keepers. Everyone else in verse 15 is stuck outside the holy city with no access to the tree of life. So, people can claim to be saved by grace without works all they want, but unless they are a blessed commandment keeper, Christ is clear they won’t get anywhere remotely close to the tree of life.*
-if not the law of Moses, what instructions are believers supposed to follow? When Yeshua says “follow my commandments,” he then quotes the law of Moses, implying that the instruction of the Torah is still relevant…
*Excellent point! But, let’s take this even further. In Revelation 15, we find that those who actually get the victory and stand on the sea of glass sing the song of Moses and the Lamb. Why Moses and the Lamb this long after the cross and not the song of Paul and his “messenger of Satan” that he admits to having in 2Corrinthians 12:7: just one chapter after warning us to not marvel over the idea that Satan’s ministers are transformed into ministers of righteousness??? Didn’t Paul’s ideas on being “saved by grace” replace the need for Moses??? Or, was Paul an infiltrator sent in to test us to see if we truly love god, like God says he would do in Deuteronomy 13? When people toss out the law, they aren’t even aware God might test them according to standards he set up in his law. So, they set themselves up to fail this particular test.
The majority of Christians today do not strongly follow the Good Shepherd of John 10, so they don’t know the real connection between Moses and the Lamb and why they are so critical to accept as a pair together in order to gain the victory. Moses and Yeshua are the two prophets of Deuteronomy 18. And so, true believers will come to this realization and not join Paul and his Messenger of Satan in coming out from under God’s law, but they will realize that Paul is guilty of violating Isaiah 8:20 where God judges there is no light in him, and that God desires that his people bind up the testimony and seal the law among his disciples in Isaiah 8:16. This is a teaching derived from binding the law to the right hand and forehead in Deuteronomy 6. Because to come out from under the seal of God’s law and abandon that protection of God sets a person up to instead receive the mark of the beast in their right hand and forehead in Revelation 14 in the Third Angel’s Message. But, those who do not take the mark in verse 12, they keep the commandments of God (that which was taught to Moses) and have the testimony of Yeshua (that which Messiah taught in the gospels). So, that is why they sing the Song of Moses and the Lamb, because they realize the law and the gospels are complementary messages, not messages at war with each other where Christians are left trying to use the gospel to abolish the law to their own detriment. And so, we find in Revelation 12:17 that Lucifer makes war with those who keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Yeshua, but strangely isn’t making war with those who come out from under the law and teach that we are “saved by grace” (something Christ never uttered in his teachings). Because Lucifer isn’t in disagreement with the grace ideas of Paul or his messenger of Satan either one, but he is desperately at war with anyone who recognizes the law and the gospel together form the true backbone to a proper explanation of the plan of salvation. From here, God warns in Zechariah 7 of how his people have a heart like an adamant stone which God defines to be those who refuse to hear his law and the words he sent by his Spirit through his prophets. This same stony heart is what God is trying to remove from his people in Ezekiel 11 and 36 to give them a new heart: a heart willing to hear his law, because he will write his “torah” law in the hearts of those who come under the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-34 when they stop rejecting Moses and the writings of torah. How can God write his law into the hearts of those who refuse to hear his law and seek to come out from under his law in Romans 6:14 or believe God’s law is not for a righteous man in 1 Timothy 1:9 like Paul believes???
@@coreybray9834 Shabbat Shalom!
Thank you again for your work. I have to family on the (black) Hebrew Israelite belief system and your videos have helped me.
I'm so glad you've found these videos helpful, Steffon. Thank you! Blessings, Rob
I have an old friend from school that kept referring to God as the "Almighty" exclusively, which was my first red flag. Then he kept trying to get me to be "discipled" by him, which was the second red flag. He also told me that, ever since he became a part of this movement, he has family members who no longer speak to him accusing him of being part of a cult.
I prayed about this, and so far have concluded that this was not a critical salvation issue, since he professes that salvation is still only through faith in Jesus alone. Please let me know if I need to be concerned over this friend.
Yes it is a matter of salvation.
You cannot put new wine into old wineskins. Jesus was saying... You cannot mingle covenants.
Hear what Paul says,
"Dear brothers and sisters, the longing of my heart and my prayer to God is for the people of Israel to be saved. I know what enthusiasm they have for God, but it is misdirected zeal. For they don’t understand God’s way of making people right with himself. Refusing to accept God’s way, they cling to their own way of getting right with God by trying to keep the law. For Christ has already accomplished the purpose for which the law was given. As a result, all who believe in him are made right with God."
Romans 10:1-4 NLT
bible.com/bible/116/rom.10.1-4.NLT
You need to ask him who Jesus is? Does he believe Jesus is God? If he doesn't then it is a salvation issue. Unitarians (only believing in the Father) are not saved as they deny the deity of Jesus. If Jesus is not God then the atonement didn't happen. It is vital that he believes Jesus is God in the flesh.
@@emmajane646 Do you understand what it means to be begotten?
I have a friend who has become involved in this. She burned her Christmas tree. She tells me she keeps Torah to show love for God. But she is also calling what she terms “mainstream Christians” to repent for not following Torah and return to the right path. I’m so concerned for her..😩
There is a couple in HRM that has the CZcams page, Kingdom in Context, Sean Griffin, I don’t recommend their page but one night my husband was making me watch their q/a and they addressed Christmas and flat out told all of HRM they were wrong about Christmas and said they needed to stop sinning against other believers for telling them they are headed to hell for celebrating it…that it is NOT pagan…it was the only time I fully agreed with anything they had to say…I will get the episode for you to share with her and the time stamp if you would like?
Yeah. I am a Christian and my father is part of Hebrew roots movement. Last, I talked to him he said I am under a curse. I stand on Galatians 1:6-9
Lord bless you, and may He open your father's eyes and heart.
IF THE LAW of the LORD IS A CURSE, then you and PAUL make our GOD ALMIGHTY is a liar when he said THE LAW should be kept as the apple of OUR EYE or that the LAW IS TRUTH. ps 119:142....THE PAUL who never saw Christ is GREATER than the psalmist?? Why did PAUL not write the revelation But JOHN? JOHN writes
“Whosoever abideth in him sinneth NOT: whosoever sinneth hath NOT SEEN him, NEITHER KNOW him.”
- 1 John 3:6 (KJV)
“Little children, let NO MAN deceive you: he that DOES righteousness IS righteous, EVEN AS Christ is righteous.”
- 1 John 3:7
We stand with you in Christ! :)
He is a father to the fatherless!
And Galatians 3:13,14
Hello, Mr. Solber... I appreciate your attention to detail on this obviously important matter. I would like your recommendations on studying this topic for myself. A little background, I ended up speaking to some long-time clients of mine about the Lord. Her and her husband brought up practicing HRM but also that they were aware of the pitfall in the group and then spoke against it. So we were freely talking about and some very concerning things were said. I addressed it and then they were unsure how to respond. So they recommended talking to their pastor/rabbi/teacher about the subject. We had an hour-long phone conversation that seem very unfruitful as we were speaking past each other. One notable thing he kept mentioning was that he did not want to go back to only theology. Now, after a semi-exhaustive study on sovereignty/soteriology. I have been studying it for a while and stumbled upon your videos. I have ordered your book and "The Pauline Paradox" but would appreciate any other specific material you can give. God bless and thanks again.
Yes, it can be quite a tough conversation sometimes! The reason for those "talking past each other" moments is because of a difference in presuppositions and/or a difference in definitions. One thing I have found over the last few years as I've been really studying the Hebrew Roots Movement is that there is typically not one passage or verse you can cite that will "snap them out of it." At the end of the day, this is not really a theological problem. Christians who adopt a Torah-observant lifestyle seem to do so as an issue of identity or a misguided psychological/emotional commitment of some sort. And I very much believe there is a spiritual aspect to it, as well. With some people, you can almost see a spirit of legalism overtake them.
If you haven't seen it yet, you might check out our video *Five tips for responding to Torah-keeping family and friends* czcams.com/video/FRKc65y4NLU/video.html
Here are a couple other teachings from our channel that people have found helpful:
*Which biblical laws apply to Christians?* czcams.com/video/_mlEcO-E4nk/video.html
*Does Matthew 5:17-20 teach the Law is still in effect for Christians?* czcams.com/video/YA12rhrDBPU/video.html
FYI, _The Pauline Paradox_ will give you a great insight into how the Hebrew Roots theology and mindset works. You'll notice how the unnamed author comes up with his own definitions, and he uses a faulty interpretation of Matthew 5:17-20 as a "proof text" against which he compares all other NT Scriptures.
Blessings!
Rob
@@RLSolberg Thank you, brother... I will check out these videos. And yes, I am in agreement with you. It's definitely a spiritual component to torahism.
Oh yes. The Matthew 5:17 misunderstanding. It seems that every false doctrine I'm dealing with comes from an extremist view on a verse or a handful of verses. That then gets sweapingly applied over the rest of the Scripture.
Blessings in Christ, Brother!
Dear Brother Solberg,
I am trying to discover what doctrine of the Atonement the HRM people profess to have but cannot find information on the subject. I am writing a book on counterfiet gospels and my last chapter is on the HRM. Could you deal with the HRM centrally on the Atonement and indicate what literature they have on the subject as I find none. Naturally, I shall refer to your help in the book. Yours sincerely in Christ,
George M. Ella, Germany
Hallo, George! In my research, there is not one monolithic doctrine of belief that all HRM subscribe to. And I have not come across any HRM teachings specifically about atonement. It does not appear to be a part of their Torah-keeping theology. Thus, I would say the majority of Torah-keepers seem to believe in the "mainstream" Christian doctrine of atonement, that it comes through the blood of Christ alone. Most (but not all) HRM take the position that keeping Torah is not a matter of salvation, but rather obedience.
Gnade und Frieden,
Rob
Thank you for your kind and swift reply. I have read a number of HRM speakers on the Atonement but they merely concentrait on a misunderstanding of Yom Kippur, fasting and selling trinkets. I just cannot find any serious Biblical study of the Atonement in their teaching.
God bless your ministry,
George@@TheBiblicalRoots
As a faithful follower of Jesus, the Living Torah, who wisely accepts the many warnings He gave regarding Mt5:19, 7:23, 25:1-13 & 2Peter3:14-17 LAWLESSNESS as a Rev14:12 Saint, the first thing that comes to mind in TaNaKh is Isaiah1:18 & 53:1-12 and Psalm2 & 22.
Exodus31:13esv figures in as the eternal virtual wedding ring SIGN between our Creator and all His people…but most of them are more interested in the Sign of the Beast…which is curious.
What I would give if the discourse given by Messiah AFTER the resurrection on the road to Emmaus had been recorded, but He evidently wanted us to learn Torah ourselves…until we are with Him and like Him and it is WRITTEN ON OUR HEARTS-amen?!
What will all these Christian ministers who practice Mt7:23 lawlessness say then? Oh…that’s right, Jesus rejects them so we will never know…
There won’t be any of this ridiculous lawlessness going on THEN, brothers…Selah
-US Army brat, raised at a Yager Haus/Biergarten above Nordheim near Volkach, with a old SS officer and family with three daughters:
Paul and Priska, Ursula, Renata and Sabila-Grüß Gott
Yup. Horrible situation. My husband is proselytizing our son and now neither are celebrating Christmas this year. Sad. Also has divided our family down the middle. Speaking of divisive.
I'm so sorry that you're dealing with this, Leona. That divisive spirit is, to me, a telltale sign that God is not in the HRM movement. It's okay if someone doesn't want to celebrate Christmas for personal reasons. There is no Scriptural mandate that we do so. But, to make Christmas (or any other secondary issue) a matter of division within the body of Christ, especially among family, does not honor God.
The HRM seems to have forgotten Paul's admonition to "Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly. Never be wise in your own sight. Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all." (Rom 12:16-18)
@@TheBiblicalRoots thank you. And yes. Definitely not just not wishing to celebrate Christmas or Easter. It’s also not seeing any commonality in our spiritual fellowship. Except to try to draw us under Torah . Our Christian faith is definitely wrong and beneath the views of the HRM movement. It’s not a matter of “you can follow”, but it’s a matter of “you must follow” or you are disobedient to the Word.
I have to admit at first I did not believe that there was any reason for following any of the Torah, but, I have softened my viewpoint, and come to see that it’s OK if you want to. I have extended that viewpoint to my family members, however this change has not been received. It is still held that you must follow. Having been raised in a traditional religion, and then been born again, I very much understand the ripping of the veil. There is no way I will can chose to come back under rules and regulations. Therein lies the division.
Mat10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
@@Eric-fq5wx Yeah I’ve heard that said too but I don’t see that he came to set husband against wife. That’s Satan‘s work.
Christmas is a pagan holiday. Do your own research.
Beware of Judaizers ..... remember
Went through this over a decade ago when our church was upheaved because the Pastor (with no prior Biblical training) was listening to a few Hebrew Roots websites/CZcamss and one day started running down the road with this and dragged an entire congregation of both new and mature Christians along with him who stumbled along trying to pick up the pieces. It divided and destroyed the church for a season. But, God restored a remnant and the church has healed now from the damage done and is thriving. Unfortunately, that pastor now has his own CZcams channel and is teaching a Hebraic roots/ Hebrew Israelite combined doctrine now. Honestly, right before this happened, the church was growing, maturing and growing strong in unity and the presence of the Holy Spirit. Glad to see it restored now. So thankful for your time and effort to put this out there!!
Thank you for sharing your story! That is heartbreaking to see the body of Christ divided because of these false teachings. Praise God that it's been restored!
Blessings, Rob
Sorry for asking but what was the channel of that Pastor? Could it be that your pastor was Pastor Joe Fox from Shofar Mountain?
@fromtheheartnerd4569
9 months ago (edited)
Went through this over a decade ago when our church was upheaved because the Pastor (with no prior Biblical training) was listening to a few Hebrew Roots websites/CZcamss and one day started running down the road with this and dragged an entire congregation of both new and mature Christians along with him who stumbled along trying to pick up the pieces. It divided and destroyed the church for a season. But, God restored a remnant and the church has healed now from the damage done and is thriving. Unfortunately, that pastor now has his own CZcams channel and is teaching a Hebraic roots/ Hebrew Israelite combined doctrine now. Honestly, right before this happened, the church was growing, maturing and growing strong in unity and the presence of the Holy Spirit. Glad to see it restored now. So thankful for your time and effort to put this out there!!
*And why would the Holy Spirit restore them to a place of lawless anarchy against God? If you come out from under God’s law, that is lawless anarchy by definition. The Spirit of God would not lead us out from under a law the Spirit of God helped to put into place. This is why God himself warns that those who speak against the law and testimony in Isaiah 8:20 have no light in them. It is also why God warns that the condition of a heart like an adamant stone in Zechariah 7 is those who refuse to hear his law and the words he sent by his Spirit through his prophets. This is the same stony heart God says he is trying to remove from his people in Ezekiel 11 and 36. Returning to rejecting his law is not healing their stony heart, it is cementing it into place. This is what happens when churches follow Paul out from under the law in Romans 6:14. They don’t even mind that Paul warns them that he has a “messenger of Satan” in 2Corrinthians 12:7: one chapter after telling them to not marvel over the fact that Satan’s ministers are transformed into ministers of righteousness. So, your church there is following a Spirit, but I don’t think it's the Holy Spirit if they have rejected God’s law. God in Isaiah 30 tells Isaiah to write a book about that problem, arguing that it leads to people eventually wanting the Most High to cease from before them, but what does God know. Humans are so much smarter, right?
Mr Solberg, have you ever looked into the Orthodox Church? I have attended that church at a number of it's different types (Ukrainian, Russian and North American Orthodox) and wondered if it was the historical church of Christ handed down by apostolic succession. But despite my attendance I have not become eastern orthodox. I'm just not settled on it for some reason. I like a lot about the orthodox church but there are aspects that make me hesitant. Thanks for the videos against Torah ism they're very helpful.
Aaron
Hi, Aaron. I've not studied the orthodox church much, although I have a friend who is Russian Orthodox. (And one of my favorite musical artists is the Kiev Chamber Choir!) I know they affirm key doctrines such as the Trinity, the Bible as the Word of God and Jesus as God the Son. But I don't subscribe to their theology because, as far as I have seen, they don't teach justification by faith (which I see as a key teaching of the Bible!), and they hold the authority of church tradition on the level of Scripture, to the point that they seem to discourage people from interpreting the Bible apart from church tradition, which I do not find biblical.
That said, I do believe there are many Orthodox and Catholic believers who are genuinely saved and are our brothers and sisters in Christ.
Blessings, RLS
I appreciate the time you took to explain this. My close friend has fell for this movement and had pushed it on me via videos. She told me recently that she has a hard time with grace alone. Which leads me to believes she is falling for a works base salvation. I’m not sure how to approach this topic with her and tell her I don’t believe in these practices.
Hi Carissa! I get what your friend is saying because the idea that we are saved by grace through faith-that nothing is required of us and it's a free gift-is scandalous! It's a _very_ unfair exchange: unfair in our favor. And yet, it's true! That is why the Gospel is called the "Good News." And understanding that truth only serves to magnify and glorify the God who loved us enough to make salvation available in that way.
You might see if your friend would be interested in doing a Bible study with you where you can work your way through Scripture, studying the many passages (in both the OT and NT) that teach about salvation and God's grace. -Rob
Repent and believe. Believe and repent. Two sides of the same coin. One cannot claim he is “saved” and live as he pleases. He is saved and is being saved as by faith as he submits to the Lordship of Messiah. Ultimately, sanctification leads to glorification.
Hi Carissa!!! This is the Gospel Message: Jesus Christ conquered sin and death and then He sent us the Holy Spirit, Hallelujah!!! So we have the Holy Spirit in us. We can walk by the Spirit and bear His fruit: love and joy and peace and patience and kindness and gentleness and faithfulness and goodness and self-control. People fail to realize that the Ten Commandments are written on the heart of every human by design. The Ten are simply summed up as loving God and loving your neighbor. When we walk by His Spirit, we are loving Him and our neighbor. The Torah Observant crowd is very confused. They confuse the Ten Commandments, written on Beautiful Sapphire Stone by the Finger of God Himself, with the 600 laws from the Law. The Law is written on paper by man via God, big difference. Carissa, works don’t save us, but when we are truly saved, we will work, love is a verb, an action. Grace is abused in today’s church big time, I agree. But the key is walking by the Spirit. Bear His Fruit. Hallelujah!!! Carissa I do have a vid called “Torah Observant???” on my chnnel. Just search Keith Elrod. Happy studying Carissa!!! Share this with your friend, “If you love Me then keep My Commandments” not if you love Me keep my Law. John 14 and 15 talk about this.
Brother I'm glad you're getting very dedicated to this good exercise when I live in Nashville after three or four meetings with a group called Mercy collective I realize they were an error they are doing the body of Christ an Injustice so but as far as certain scriptures yeah there's very definite scriptures....
Galatians 4:21
Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?”
GALATIANS 3:5
KJ21
He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit and worketh miracles among you, doeth He it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
“For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.”
I listen to most of your video...you truly do not understand our father word..the simple fact is all those old laws are about our creator loving us and how we are to love him and others..please study more and stop teaching others to sin..please I beg of you..The sabbath and feast days are a memorial to father and his son...look it up..Matthew 15:24 and Heb 8:10 psa 119..but there r many other.1 john 3'4 .let the spirit teach you not man.and the word of God has nothing to do with being Hebrew root or a jew. with zac is party of both.but I agree with him in many things but not all, Where did God or his Son call his people christian or was that man Do you know?? www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=memorial&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1
This is the simplest answer to your question.
Isaiah 56 “Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
3 Do not let the son of the foreigner
Who has joined himself to the Lord
Speak, saying,
“The Lord has utterly separated me from His people”;
Nor let the eunuch say,
“Here I am, a dry tree.”
4 For thus says the Lord:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 Even to them I will give in My house
And within My walls a place and a name
Better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give [a]them an everlasting name
That shall not be cut off.
6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants-
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant-
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
8 The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says,
“Yet I will gather to him
Others besides those who are gathered to him.”
My daughter has not spoken to me for over a year because I don’t keep Torah or come out of Babylon or celebrate the Jewish holy days with her. She says she’s shaking the dust off her feet by abandoning me. I am old and I need her. I don’t even know what “come out of Babylon” means. She and I were both saved and baptized in a southern baptist church. I believe in the pre tribulation rapture and she is going to hunker down and prep for the seven year tribulation.
My prayer is that she is saved and she will be in the rapture whether she believes it or not.I don’t think it is very Christlike to treat me this way. I love her dearly and my heart is broken.
They teach her not to go to church. They’ve told her to forget everything she learned as a child in church cause it was all wrong. Their church meetings are online in the cloud.
They have their headquarters in a big red barn called the Puritan Barn. They charge each member $8.00 a month to be a member. They only eat kosher foods and they try to keep all those over 300 commandments in the Bible. Prepping for the tribulation and trying to keep those commandments keeps her very busy when as a. Christian she should be trying to win people to Jesus.
That is heartbreaking, Linda! And sadly it's a story I hear far too often. Here's a video on our channel that you might find helpful: *Five tips for responding to Torah-keeping family and friends*
czcams.com/video/FRKc65y4NLU/video.html
Blessings, Rob
I caught your debate with Sean from Kingdom in context. On a previous stream I heard Sean speak of the Holy Spirit not being a spirit but an angel. I also heard him mention that he believe Jesus is sacrificing animals in heaven continuously and that human sacrifice is not appropriate. Being obedient to all commands that applies one thing but he is living the Old Testament or trying to I realize this through listening to his teachings thanks for your stream thanks for your input
Thanks, honestly this movement was at first positive for me bc these people would study beyond any other religion and i love how serious they actually took it in comparison with other christian religions, their answers to my questions were really full and rich, i love to study so this religion was at first perfect for me and it actually helped me to believe for the first time in my atheist life. But just like you said, they took it way too serious, it actually destroyed my relationship bc it worsened my mental health 10 times fold bc it was such an extrict and demanding religion. I separated from then and since then i have been alone, I still enjoy their influence time to time and the only thing i kept from it is that i really enjoy learning hebrew :) i didnt knew i love languages so much and is so fun. Hopefully one day i can read the original bible and i think even tho for some people this is useless information for me is just bc of the fun of it, i wanna be friends with God and im sure as long as I keep looking for Him in any way it would be good enough for me and Him as friends :)
That is a great perspective. Many in the Hebrew Roots movement do study Scripture quite a bit, which is admirable and something we should all be doing. Thanks for sharing! ~Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots there are hostile Atheists who study the bible more than the average Christian. The Torahist illusion of massive amounts of "study" means some greater claim to truth fools many...
I listen to most of your video...you truly do not understand our father word..the simple fact is all those old laws are about our creator loving us and how we are to love him and others..please study more and stop teaching others to sin..please I beg of you..The sabbath and feast days are a memorial to father and his son...look it up..Matthew 15:24 and Heb 8:10 psa 119..but there r many other.1 john 3'4 .let the spirit teach you not man.and the word of God has nothing to do with being Hebrew root or a jew. with zac is party of both.but I agree with him in many things but not all, Where did God or his Son call his people christian or was that man Do you know?? www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=memorial&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1
Awesome that they study the Old Testament deeper than many, but they miss the point of differentiating between keeping the Ten Commandments and the actual Torah. The Ten Commandments, written by the Finger of God in Stone are summed up as loving God and loving your neighbor as Jesus taught us in Matthew 22. The Old Testament is Jesus Christ concealed and the New Testament is Jesus Christ revealed.
Please hear my heart because I’m genuinely asking. What of the fourth commandment then to remember God’s sabbath and to keep it holy? If I understand right, it was the Catholic Church that changed the day from Saturday to Sunday. Just wondering why I would follow the edict of a Catholic priest over what is written in the Ten Commandments? Jesus did keep the sabbath on the Saturday. Am I missing something? Please help because I am searching for the truth.
One of the laws of Moses is, "Do not murder" once you're in the faith, it's not optional but commanded to keep, are you for this law? Welp you're into Torahism. 😄
Try the same logic with laws like sexual immorality, getting married (ceremonial according to Christians), baptisms, doing away with pagan worship etc etc
Also, you made the statement saying that there's no verse stating that Christians are not required to keep the Torah. Would it be fair to say that in Galatians 4:22-31 is saying to "throw out" the entire old covenant? Specifically verse 30.
I just kept the "dangerous" Sabbath again this week. I have been living "dangerously" for 19 years.
Hi, Roland. I think you're conflating the seventh day creation with the seventh day of the week.
Blessings, RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots Who is Roland?
Thanks everything you’re saying is the absolute truth my wife got into this years ago now and because I didn’t know enough about it then I did I did not. I just let her go with it and it’s really destroyed our marriage we’re still married, but on a fragment of where we were, and she still in all this stuff Doesn’t go to church for the family but you know that the whole bit and we’ve been learning just to live with each other and we don’t discuss these kind of things but just as a warning to any other guys out there if it tries to come into your house, do not permit it, you know cause a hey it’s bad
When Jesus Christ spoke about "traditions of men" in Mark 7: 8 (KJV), this "movement" comes across as one of those "traditions" and it's sad that in people following after it, they don't realize or appreciate the beauty in 2 Corinthians 3:17 (KJV)...i've tried to share this with family members a couple years ago and God convicted me to fall back to avoid something that could have escalated into something not worth participating in.
Christianity is a religion of men whose architect was paul and his personal revelation (added to by rome), a personal revelation not unlike Muhammad for Islam or Joseph Smith for Mormonism.
By "traditions od men" you actually mean, commandments of God.
Christ spoke of "Traditions of men" in reference to the Talmudism/ traditions of the Pharisees and others, who would come up with additional rules to add to the Law handed down to Moses, and had been doing so for generations. They would also come up with "loopholes" invented by themselves to either escape observing the Law, or some that ultimately completely defeated the purpose of the Law (pointing Israel towards God, illustrating that being right with God is not within the power of mortal men by our own efforts, teaching love of our neighbors).
And honestly, yes, this cult does very much resemble that. They take something simple and turn it into a convoluted mess by trying to add this or that to it, just as the rabbis (both before/during Christ's time on earth, and especially since). They simultaneously lead people completely away from the very core of the gospel, that Christ Jesus finished the work pointed to by the Law with His death, burial, and resurrection.
@@isaaclosh8082 so you're calling Jesus Christ a liar? Did He not say "Upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it"?
@@isaaclosh8082 actually it's much more than that, especially when The Bible was inspired by God, unlike all of these false doctrines...Riddle me this...Why is it so-called "religious freedom" when it comes to these false religions, but Christianity gets mocked so much?
Thank you for contending for the faith 🙏🏼
Thanks for these enlightening teachings! On the Kosher food/dietary laws, I’ve heard this argument: the “Jesus declared all foods clean” was a note put there by translators and not what actually happened. That the unclean animals were not considered food in the first place, to then be declared a food. Then how the laws about the Temple and others have been placed on hold until the new one is built as referenced in Revelation. Have you heard these explanations and arguments?
Great work brother. What do I say to someone who says, “ Yeshua kept the Torah and we are called to walk in His steps.”? If you have a video that addresses this would you please send me the link in the comments? I really appreciate your teachings… they are very solid.🙏🏽🕊
Thanks, Leonor. I do have a video on that topic. *How do we walk like Jesus walked* czcams.com/video/JmRwtkRtcN4/video.html.
Blessings,
Rob
It’s interesting, isn’t it? My family was sold on the idea that Jesus kept the Torah perfectly to show us how. They will say that Jesus never said or did anything outside of the Torah. I don’t understand how they can read the accounts of Jesus’ life, and continue to affirm that!
One of the things I asked my dad is “are we all supposed to be crucified on a Roman execution rack?” Christ shows us the breadth and depth and love that the Father has for each and every person, and Christ went around picking out the “wrong kinds of people” to be with. I believe as He said, that all the law can be summarized under the heading “Love God, love others.” In ancient Israelite culture, this meant killing an ox that gored your neighbor to death. I’ve never had an ox. Or a Hebrew slave, etc etc etc. Most of the commands of the Torah seem culturally and situationally specific. Under the new covenant, we start with forgiveness, we learn from Jesus, and the Spirit guides us on how to love. (There were always people finding loopholes in the law anyway). The Spirit is who leads us in our culture and individual settings how to see our neighbor and enemies as as important as ourselves. Hope that gives you some food for thought
@@spacebobs01 Thanks, Staci! In fact, under the Mosaic Law, those who were hanged on a tree were cursed. The law made it illegal to leave the body hanging overnight. This law applied to Jesus, who was executed on a tree, although He had done no wrong. Jesus’ dead body was removed from the cross on the same day of His death and was buried. Jesus took the curse of sin upon Himself to redeem us from sin. Shalom, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots hey thanks, but are you sure that is a reply to what I wrote? Is your reply in the wrong place? I’m just alerting you, cuz it seems so
I would say He fulfilled the Torah rather than He kept it. Such as, He was Born at Trumpets and Circumcised on the Day of Atonement. Jesus Christ was the last required Circumcision. The Circumcision Covenant pointed to Jesus Christ. Millions of people circumcised to point to Jesus Christ. “Through the loins of Abraham all nations will be blessed”. Reading through Hebrews and Galatians with this in heart, fulfill vs. kept will open the eyes of the heart.
The main teaching I am hearing from my Hebrew Roots friends is that we don’t have a New Covenant but rather a renewed Covenant. It’s the language that is the tip off. The referring to Jesus as Yeshua and God as Ye-ho-Va (or various similar pronunciations), and of course they use the phrase renewed Covenant, because in that way they can invoke the Original as being polished up while holding onto the statutes of LoM. I will be asking my close friend about Jesus talking about new wine and new wine skins/new bottles. Primarily, you can’t put new wine into a wine skin that has been patched…you need a whole new skin.
Hi, Debra! Yes, I have heard the idea of a "renewed" covenant before, too. But that's not what Jesus called it. "This cup that is poured out for you is the new (kainos) covenant in my blood" (Luke 22:20, see also 1 Cor 11:25). _Kainos_ means "new," not "renewed." It's the same word Paul used when he refers to Christians as "ministers of a *new* covenant" (2 Cor 3:6). And the author of Hebrews uses that same word for "new covenant" in Heb 8:8, 8:13, and 9:15. And in Hebrews 12:24 the word is _neos_ which means "young, new" covenant.
Shalom,
Rob
Someone asked Jesus what was the most important commandment.
Matthew 22:36 - Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 - Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 - This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 - And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 - On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets.
The Old Testament is Jesus Christ concealed and the New Testament is Jesus Christ revealed. Hallelujah!!!
@@SSmith-dn9ib Luke 24: 25-27 Then he said unto them, O slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
I have a NEW CAR, does this mean I REPLACED my old car, for the one that traded it yes. NEW does not mean replaced. I keep ALL my cars I HAVE THREE. so THE LAW OF THE LORD os eternal and THE LAW IS TRUTH. PS 119:142 from everlasting to everlasting. MY COVENANT i will not break NOR alter the words of MY LIPS
I was hurt by the Orthodox church, and ended up in a TO community. This just brought confusion and dissent in my house and I'm working on coming back into the fold
Just curious how you answer the Hebrew roots when they say that ‘we have been grafted in’?
Thank you for posting this. I have a friend who is in this movement and is starting to realize some things about it, but is still stuck in it. Hopefully she will get out soon. I’m glad to hear positions debunking what this movement believes in. God bless you.
Hi, I have a friend. she started out as an evangelical for more than 2 decades now. She was baptized, got involved in a Christian ministry. But for 2 years now, she got involved, I assume in this movement (HRM). She no longer utter the name of Jesus, she abhors using the term Lord, God and other names of God in English. According to her these are names that have their roots in paganism. Torah is now her source of security. I think she is really confused and worst of all, I'm afraid she was never really saved to begin with. To her, to utter the names Jesus Christ, Lord, etc are somewhat blasphemous. So she would only address God as Yahuah, Yahusha. But she does not define the true meaning and simplicity of the Gospel. May i know how can a refute her, the gentle way but also straightforward. Hope for your help. Thanks in advance and God bless!
Hi Joey. Thanks for reaching out! That whole Hebrew Roots issue with the names is a very strange thing, in my opinion. It seems to me to be a misguided attempt to revere God. I suppose one thing you could point out to your friend is that the names of the months in the Hebrew calendar are actually Babylonian in origin. They were adopted by the Jews as of the time of the Babylonian exile in the sixth century BCE.
According to MyJewishLearning.com, "The Bible indicates the months were oftentimes called simply by their numerical position in the year (First Month, Second Month, etc.), just as the days of the week - with the exception of Shabbat - still are in Hebrew. In addition, the Bible does record some ancient names for the months that disappeared once the Jews adopted the Babylonian names. These include the now-forgotten months of Bul and Aviv, among others."
Also, Solomon used labor and materials from pagan nations to build the first temple to the Lord. So it sounds to me like your friend is overreaching in her attempt to avoid being tainted by paganism and show reverence to God. You might also ask her to explain to you _from Scripture_ why the name Jesus cannot be spoken out loud. I'd be curious how she justifies it.
Blessings,
Rob
See this spreading all through the church! Some even express a kind of animosity toward the name of JESUS! It's so distressing to see this. How can we even pray together when we can't even agree on what name we should call God?
@@TheBiblicalRoots Thanks much Rob for your answers. I agree with you on these matters. Also this movement has no solid ground. I was trying to check if they have Biblical-statement of faith, sadly I found none. The sad thing about my friend is that she's trying to be so indignant towards true Christians because, in her mind the name Jesus, the Trinity, the Church, to name a few have their roots in paganism. She, I think is delusional. She thinks of everyone in the Church as deceived. She has no confidence in the New Testament Scriptures because it was written in Koine Greek. According to her, based on the materials she sought, NT Scriptures should be written in Hebrew language. It's an argument from silence, I believe if she continues to defend this faulty understanding.
@@steveharris9610 Yeah exactly! They are so meticulous in using the name Yahuah, Yahusha. Failure to utter the true name of God in Hebrew, according to them is in a clear violation. Violation in a sense that we are calling a false god if we do not address it right.
@@joeylavaro4320 I'd ask if she thinks God is stupid-- even my kids know who I'm talking to, even if I call one of them by the name of the other.
The Scriptures were, of course, written in Greek. It was the lingua franca of the world and educated men at that time. Ask her if she thinks God is incompetent. Did He allow His Apostles, men and women appointed to build the first floors, so to speak, of His Church upon this Earth, to be in complete error from the beginning? Not just to make mistakes in writing Scripture, *but to write it in completely the wrong language*? It's absurd.
Of course, the Name of Jesus in Scripture is "Iesous", Greek form of Joshua/Jeshua/Jehoshua, a name meaning "Jah (Yahweh/Jehovah) is [our] salvation". The spelling/pronunciation "Jesus" is merely the Latinized form of the Greek.
As to her assertion that the Church has roots in paganism: ask her if she believes Christ was a liar. He said He would build His Church, and the gates of Hell itself would not prevail against it. He also promised that the Holy Spirit would come and lead His Church into all Truth... So did it? Or was He not telling the truth? Did God fail in His promise to uphold His church, His Bride, His very Body? If all Truth and the right ways of speaking of and to God were lost, what happened? The Church has been here ever since Christ established it, without cease. The churches/ meeting places spoken of in Scripture still stand today, for the most part, and have been continually inhabited, handed down from one Bishop to another under the Eastern Orthodox Church, in unbroken line of descent from the Apostles themselves, and the bishops/overseers they appointed.
I myself have from time to time used the name "Yehoshua" to refer to Jesus Christ, as it gives me a sense of connection with the full import and implication of His Holy Name, that He was and is both fully Man and fully God, that "Jehovah is salvation", that the Ancient of Days, the Lord of Hosts, Yahweh-sabaoth, has declared me redeemed and called me "son", and freed me from my bondage. But to even imply that one is required to speak of or to Our Lord only in the language of the Old Testament.... Nonsense. Christ Himself likely spoke Greek, along with Aramaic (which would have been the "native" tongue of the Jews in Palestine at the time, if I recall correctly, not Hebrew, which was mostly only used by religious scholars by the time of Christ).
You are bright and fired up. So pleased to discover your ministry. I am sharing to my group. Looking forward to more of your effective apologetics, designed for this time!
Thank you, HNF! Blessings, Rob
Our youngest daughter met a young man (she is 30, he is 35) who is expressing all of these ideas- he identifies as a Torah believing Christian, he is using the Hebraic Roots Bible, he goes to a small study on Saturday and does not attend a Church service elsewhere. I have asked him his basis for all of this (Torahism) and never got a straight answer. I found out what he is really into when I got a look at what his Bible is called and started researching it. How do I speak to our daughter, and him, about this?
Hi, Tim! That can be so frustrating! I'm sorry you have to deal with this. Here's one of our videos that you might find helpful:
*Five tips for responding to Torah-keeping family and friends*
czcams.com/video/FRKc65y4NLU/video.html
Best, RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots Have you dealt with the "Hebraic Roots Bible" in any of your videos? I know this book is being used and my studies of it so far are disturbing...
My girlfriend follow the Torah teaching. She denies she is Hebrew roots. She listen to CZcams video from teachers like Bill Schnolen and Micheal K. Lake. She claims the law is required m. She quotes from Exodus that says forever. She also claims the church is corrupt and that she is fast to truth. Please pray for Kristen. I would love prayer to because she is hard to talk to because she has a strong will, and when I disagree with her she gets upset and is triggered. She suffers from CPTSD and PTSD! It’s hard to navigate. Thanks and God bless!
Thanks for sharing that, Jason. I pray that Kristen finds healing and rest in the true knowledge of her savior Jesus! If it helps, I've written an article called "Is the Law of Moses Eternal?" rlsolberg.com/is-the-law-of-moses-eternal/
Hey Jason. Pastor Steve Gregg from 'The Narrow Path' YT channel has a series on the fallacies of this movement. I found them very helpful. Particularly interesting is a look into the Hebrew word 'olam', which is the word most commonly used for 'forever' in the old testament. He explains how this word rarely means 'forever' and usually means ' for the foreseeable future'. I would suggest seeking out his videos on this movement
Chukat Olam eternal decree
@@ShaulTzuar it is used over 430 times in scripture. If you trace all the uses, it's apparent that the word has a broader definition than 'eternal decree'
Show her Leviticus 15.20.
Ezekiel 36:19
So I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed throughout the countries; I judged them according to their ways and their deeds.
Deuteronomy 28:64
Moreover, the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth; and there you shall serve other gods, wood and stone, which you or your fathers have not known.
Zechariah 10:9
“When I scatter them among the peoples,
They will remember Me in far countries,
And they with their children will live and come back.
James 1:1
James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad:
Peter 1:1
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
Matthew 15:24
But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
There are two houses the House of Israel, and the House of Judah. The House of Judah was made up of Judah, Benjamin, and some of Levi. The House of Israel were the remaining 10 northern tribes that were dispersed into the nations and lost their identities as shown in the verses above which is what James, peter, and Matthew are referring too. It’s was prophesied in Isaiah 11 that Yah will once again gather his people for a second time(Greater Exodus). Now that we have the groundwork established, Paul also stated in Romans 11 that the gentiles are grafted into the common wealth of Israel. He is referring the the regathering of the lost sheep of Israel, those from the dispersion.
Jeremiah 31:31-33
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
The new covenant is with Israel and Judah(two houses), not “The church”. If you aren’t a part of Israel or Judah then you aren’t in the new covenant. As said above we are grafted into Israel and that is how we are a part of this new covenant. However it’s more of a renewal contract. The terms are the same(keeping Yah’s Law) but the people are different(think of the parable of the wedding guests).
Exodus 12:49
One law shall be for the native-born and for the stranger who dwells among you.”
There has always been one law for the native born and the stranger in their midst, and now that very law is written on our hearts.
Sin is transgression of the Law 1 John 3:4, if it was a sin when the messiah walked the earth then it is still a sin today. For example if it is okay to eat unclean meats like pork then why is every mention of swine in the bible(new and old) in the negative context; Lev. 11:7, Deu.14:8, Isa. 66:5, Isa. 66:3, Isa. 66:17, Pro.11:22, Matt. 7:6, Matt. 8:30-32, Mark 5:11-13, Luke 8:32-33, Luke 15:15-16, 2peter 2:22. Why does Isaiah 66 say that eaters of swines flesh will be destroyed by fire upon the Day of the Lord.
Isaiah 66:15-17
“For behold, the Lord will come with fire And with His chariots, like a whirlwind, To render His anger with fury, And His rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by His sword The Lord will judge all flesh; And the slain of the Lord shall be many. “Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves, To go to the gardens After an idol in the midst, Eating swine’s flesh and the abomination and the mouse, Shall be consumed together,” says the Lord.”
You say that “Torahism” is unbiblical when in reality it is the true biblical world view and more and more people are coming to that realization.
It seems every time I comment on some Christian CZcamsrs channel even if it was years ago, Hebrew roots believers or the Black Hebrew Israelites seem to find those videos I commented on and then the debate begins.. This happened today and yesterday, they believe when Jesus said to the person, depart from me ye that work lawlessness I never knew you. This one Torah keeper said lawlessness means not keeping the law of Moses. But from what I understand if you want to be a Torah keeper you have to keep all the laws of Moses or none, is that correct?
See 17:40 in this video.. Solberg could go much deeper but the point is made well. Take special note that torah observers generally do not want to believe there are three Persons in One God.......................
Ancient Jews knew there were multiple persons but after Christianity spread they decided to hold an untenable position that there is only one Person God The Father. Nevermind Isaiah6 or many other scriptures..
The thing I find while I work in an SDA business is that most of the people I talk to that are SDA actually say something like "I keep the Sabbath because I think its just good for you to relax one day as God said" or they say "I only eat no meat because I was raised that way, I dont think you have to" while they secretly think the opposite. I think they just dont understand and are in a cult and wouldnt be able to debate their way out of a paper bag.
some of them call paul a false apostle and reject all his teaching's on salvation so they revert back to the words of messiah. and torah. so is it clear grace through faith with out paul?
Hi, Andria. Since I don't call Paul a false apostle or reject his teachings, I don't see a need to find "grace through faith" elsewhere in Scripture. That said, I think we see it in many places. For example, the Israelites coming into the Promised Land. They were led there by the grace of God and entered the Land through faith. (The book of Numbers tells us that the Israelites who died in the wilderness and did not make it into the Promised Land died because of their unbelief.) Blessings, Rob
Just came across your CZcams channel you do such an excellent job being clear & concise regarding this "Hebrew Roots movement" I have encountered several individuals and they all seem to have a cult-like behavior, like the word of God states many false prophets will arise. This scripture really rings true when it comes to these individuals found in 2 Timothy 3:7 "always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." Within my observation I also noticed among these folks, a heightened level of hypocrisy & lack of true love and compassion. Thanks again for your kind and thoughtful approach to this matter. Blessings to you and your Family.
Thank you, E4T!
It couldn’t be that many false prophets are in the mainstream.
So grateful for this video. Some friends of mine have recently gone from Torah observant to full on deconstructing their faith to some form for Judaism. I didn’t see or warn them of the dangers of this movement years ago when they started following it. Praying that others will see it and be rescued before their faith is shipwrecked by these lies.
Only one person has ever kept the Torah, and they crucified Him. How much of the modern Church understands the relationship between the New Covenant and the Old Covenant? We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. The battle between these two covenants began in Acts chapter 15 and continues to the present. During most of that time period the Judaisers have won the day.
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by
husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
Watch the CZcams videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
Thank you for this video and all the others. Oh please. Oh if you haven’t done a video on Deuteronomy 4:40 please do. Thank you
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Welcome, Sylvia! I am so glad you found us.
Blessings, Rob
So, it all boils down to, “…lest anyone should boast.” Works sure do make one feel good…about themselves…and a prejudice standard to judge others against; thus divisiveness being brought on by….themselves.
Well, if that's why you would obey God instead obeying Him in faith-- then yeah, that is the wrong reason, for sure.
@@krissysedlak7490 Right.
My Bible says work are required!
James 2:14
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
But remember works will never save a person, but as a result of our salvation we should do works.
Even our Judgment depends on works.
Revelation 20:12-13
…..and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were JUDGED EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS.
Keep studying my friends.
6:00 was an oof moment.... Still hasn't totally understood the Torah movement. Things haven't changed, Abraham was righteous by faith and kept circumcision, the gospel was always grace through faith followed by obedience.
My humble suggestion is....focus on grace first so that u can understand obedience more. Shalom
@@judemichaelvelez6789
Yes, are you telling me to do that or just saying it in general? ...... Shalom
The Bible says Abraham was righteous in UNcircumcision. Read the book of Romans
@@emmajane646
Exactly, you're righteous by faith in the OLD testament, just like the new... Abraham wasn't saved by works, nobody is saying that now either
What if I am observing certain aspects of the mosaic law? I refrain from pork most times if there’s an option, I observe the holidays, and I learn about the culture, not as a means of obedience or salvation, I just feel the conviction to follow it since I am a born again Jew who believes in Christ. I just see it as a better way to reach Jews who are looking for Jesus!
Hi, I’m struggling with this question myself, and can’t settle down, as both sides seem to have good arguments. I saw some arguments pointing the fact that if you take out all of Paul’s letters and teachings, as he is not an eyewithness, almost all the arguments for not keeping the law of Moses drop down. How can we defend the non-keeping the laws of Moses without using Paul’s teachings, knowing that from a jewish perceptive, they might see the episode of Jesus declaring all food good from Matthew more accurate than Marc, with the focus around eating without washing hands at first being the issue?
From someone who don’t know how to settle this down, Thank you.
Thank you for your talk on this important subject. I have a friend whose family is involved in Hebrew Roots. She is having difficulty explaining to them the way you have made it clear. God Bless You!!!
The problem is that they try to be 'saved in the Flesh by the Flesh' no matter, if they deny that in the next passage. They are deceived and will keep deceiving. I'm sorry for your friend there.
I felt a wrenching sadness when reading the positive comments.
Know this: No one that denies The Torah, is dismissive of His Commandments or practices the rampant paganism we see in the churches, will be cast out! Scripture clearly tells us we must become Spiritually Israel
@@VikTorahYAH It says to die with Christ and then be born with Christ to be part of 'God's people'. That's something diffrent from physical ancestry, ethnic or racial background. Well, i guess one needs to be from Adam and Eve though.
Thanks for this, very helpful! This all came from seemingly nowhere which I find suspicious. Not one of our Christian forefathers or famous evangelists throughout the centuries taught or observed Torah. Suddenly some tell Christians to keep Sabbath and keep the law as if they have acquired some new form of knowledge previous generations were not aware of?
My problem is with self-righteousness within this cult and that is disturbing
I am currently studying with a Hebrew Roots pastor (platforming from Pentecostal Christians) and I've independently confronted him about his comments about bashing other Christians for not observing Passover and other festivities. I need your help:
He says that The Law (nomos) mentioned in the New Testament is not the whole Law of Moses; he breaks down the Law into Mitzva, Huqqim, and Mishpatim. He claims that Nomos refers only to Mishpatim, and that Jesus meant to ONLY legislate the sacrifices and the law of a Hebrew state.
If you're a scholar, please give guidance. May God bless you, whoever reads this.
Hi Jade! The distinction this pastor is making comes from rabbinic literature, not the Bible. These are patterns in categories that Jewish rabbis have outlined based on the biblical text. And I'm not aware of any biblical evidence that _nomos_ is used in the NT only (or ever) in reference to what the rabbis labelled _ mishpatim._ So I guess the first thing I would do is ask him for biblical evidence of his claim.
The word _nomos_ is used in the NT in various ways, including as a reference to a general phenomena (i.e. the "law of gravity") as well as a direct reference to the Law of Moses (Luke 2:22, 24:44; John 7:23 etc.). So we can't make a blanket statement about what _nomos_ refers to. In order to determine what that word means in any given passage it has to be read in context.
Consider this passage from Paul: "To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the _nomos_ I became as one under the _nomos_ (though not being myself under the _nomos_ ) that I might win those under the _nomos._ To those outside the _nomos_ I became as one outside the _nomos_ (not being outside the _nomos_ of God but under the _nomos_ of Christ) that I might win those outside the _nomos._ " (1 Cor. 9:20-21).
Blessings!
RLS
I did spend a good amount of time just reading Galatians while camping in the woods.
It was great having just a bible, a notepad, a pen, and the Holy Spirit.
Most of my notes are hand written. It is fairly black and white that Paul was
speaking of the mosaic law right? He even mentions Mt. Sinai.
Just some highlights: Paul compares Hagar to Sarah, the slave son to the FREE son born
of the promise.
He asked Peter a tough questions in 2:14.
But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel,
I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of
Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews?
Then yet another tough question in 3:2.
It was awesome to see God unfold the fullfillment of the law via Christ.
I took note of the use of the words "until" and "till" throughout Galatians.
These are the two points of this adventure.
Focus on the Questions asked and the use of the words Until, till, fulfillment.
3:10-14 Paul mentions the curse of the law, and Christ hanging on a tree as
being a curse for us who were living under a curse.
Paul even explicitly mentions the purpose of the law.
3:19 - What then was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions
until the seed(Christ) to whom the promise referred had come.
"seed" meaning one person who is Christ.
3:23 Paul states that Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law,
locked up....until faith should be revealed.
3:24 states the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ.
3:25 states we are no longer under supervision of the law.
Ch 4 - Paul compares the slave to a son who is underage and under
the supervision of guardians and trustees.....until.... the time set by his father.
Paul asks ...how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles?
4:21 tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you aware of what the law says?
from here he compares the case between Hagar and Sarah.
Mt. Sinai Covenant to those born of promise.
Slavery under Hagar via the law, compared to freedom via children of promise (Issac).
References refer us to 2 COR 3:17 speaks of the veil that exists even today when the
law is read. a Veil that covers their hearts. ...but whenever anyone turns to the Lord,
the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is
there is freedom. And we who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory are being
transformed into his likeness....
5:4 Paul states ... You who have become estranged from Christ,
you who attempt to be justified by law, you have fallen from grace.
... but if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Back to 1:7-8 Paul is pretty bold in stating those who pervert the gospel....
let him be accursed. x2.
In talking to some who have followed the HRM (hebrew roots movement) I have been told
that some in the HRM denounce and refuse to follow the epistles written by Paul,
and then some go further to denounce Christ all together,
so this sounds like a Jew who is still waiting for the Messiah to come. Right?
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Some added thoughts below for future study and discussion.
The older I get, the more I realize that I need to take God's word in its entirety from Genesis to Revelations.
To develop a theology from Just Galatians is not wise. Just as to develop theology from the book of Leviticus is not wise.
The story told is a timeline. I am no theologian. But to consider when, and to whom scripture was written is a great approach.
Was it written to Gentiles, or the Jewish nation only? Or written to all those who have accepted Christ?
Was it written to just the Jewish Nation would be a great question to ask self.
For instance the book of James some say was written before much of Paul's writing in scripture.
The book of James explicitly written to the 12 tribes scattered abroad. So, was it written to the Gentiles as well?
If in fact it was written before Paul's epistles and just to the Jewish Tribes then how does it dovetail into the completed
story of God's Love and His Infinite Wisdom?
If I may compare God's message to that of building a car or a house. Ok a car.
Early in the assembly line we would have a Frame of a Car Built. Nice Steel Frame.
It is completed. It is finished in the story line (assembly line).
Do we need to go back in time and build another frame or should we complete the car so that we can drive it off of the lot
shiny and new and in the Case of Jesus Christ and Him alone Perfect. Jesus is Perfection.
The car is now completed and ready to roll. The frame was necessary. Do we need to go back in time and build another car frame (the law)
or do we humbly accept the completed and Perfect Christ and His sacrificial Gift? Perfection has Come and He is Jesus.
Do we need to go back and build another car frame? Paul was clear as stated above the purpose of the law (car frame).
Please forgive my feeble analogy as my human mind attempts to create a picture of God's Plan, God's Love, and
God's Incredible Sacrifice of His Perfect and ONLY son in Jesus Christ.
Matthew 5:17
New International Version
The Fulfillment of the Law
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
You know the sad part? They'll say that 'live like a Jew" and such sayings means "following the Talmud and oral traditions," not the Old Covenant and such.
I have a question relating to the 10 commandments...
do any/all of them still apply? why or why not?
also... much of the law is given to us as a blessing because what it does for us is defining the character of God (God is not a thief, therefore it is wrong to steal, etc... )
Is this correct? or incorrect? (why or why not?)
I'm not trying to back door to the sabbath... that would be intended for a whole separate conversation outside of the intended scope of this question(s)
Faith is the one requirement for entering God's rest.
Now we who have believed enter that rest.
Hebrews 4:3
Faith in Jesus is how we enter that rest.
Our Sabbath rest is in Christ. Yeshua is our Shabbat. Jesus is our rest, our Sabbath.
The Torah Sabbath is not our Sabbath. That Sabbath pointed us to Christ, to the real Sabbath, the real rest.
If we're in Christ, we're not under the legal Sabbath observance commanded in the Law of Moses.
This might explain why, in the New Testament, the Mosaic regulations regarding the Sabbath are nowhere repeated or re-taught, even though the rest of the Ten Commandments are.
Our rest in Jesus is an unearned gift from the Father, and keeping the Mosaic Sabbath regulations won't contribute anything to that rest, or to our standing before God.
While keeping those Sabbath observances is no longer required, it's also not been forbidden. So if someone wants to keep Shabbat, even as it was given in the Torah, they're free in Christ to do so as a matter of personal preference.
Under the New Covenant, keeping the Mosaic Sabbath regulations is permitted but not required.
Christ is our Sabbath. Jesus said, "Take my yoke upon you and I will give you rest."
He also said " it is finished "
There's nothing we could do, no weekly rest, or Torah observance, or Jewish traditions that could add a single thing to what Christ has already accomplished.
Yes sir, James! Mt7:23. Jesus did not come to bring peace, but a sword of division between sheep and goats.
🕎Rev14:12 Saints✝️
@@krisztianpatay9812
You are correct to say that Christ has fulfilled all the requirements of the Law… Otherwise he would not have been the perfect Lamb of God, able to take away our sin!
The ball is in your court now, sir! Will you conform to Him and walk like He walked, or console yourselves on the wide smooth easy road of the 5 casual religious virgins?
“In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and was God, and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.” You sir, are rejecting that Word at your own peril.
Why do you think Jesus warned us about the casually foolish virgins who had no Light?
“Thy Word is the Light for my path,“ yet you are rejecting parts of it just like the Christians who were rejected in Matthew 7:23-but WHY?
Because a pagan Roman dictator made Sabbath illegal, and replaced it with Sun-worship-day in 321AD, and our fathers saved their unfaithful pagan lives by following that dictator’s heresy?
You have some catching up to do to make sure that you are not on the wide road, but conforming to the Word like a faithful Bride.
You cannot be in covenant With our Savior and our Father and continue sinning. Do you want to also throw out all of 1John?
Define the key word in Mt7:23: anomia…and live.
🕎Rev14:12 Saints✝️
@@Truth2ber No Christian is sinning by not observing the Sabbath as the Jews were required to.
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
It’s interesting that Jesus didn’t command us to keep the whole Law of Moses, yet He kept it Himself. How does that add up? Well, it turns out there are two reasons this makes good sense.
First, Jesus was Jewish. Unlike every Gentile in history, Jesus was actually under the Law of Moses. And, second, at His resurrection, the entire world changed. That one event split history in two and brought an end to the Sinai covenant (Heb 8:13). The book of Galatians teaches that the Law was given as a guardian until Jesus came, but now that He has come, we’re no longer under the Law. (Gal 3:24-25). And Ephesians 2 says that Jesus abolished “the law of commandments expressed in ordinances” so that He might reconcile both Jews and Gentiles to God (Eph 2:14-16).
The Law of Moses was in effect for the Jewish people right up until the day Jesus was crucified. On that day, the New Covenant began. Jesus told us at the Last Supper that the New Covenant was in His blood (Luke 22:20, 1 Cor 11:25). And upon His resurrection, He became our new High Priest, and “when there is a change of the priesthood, there must be a change of law as well” (Heb 7:12). So Jesus lived His life under the Law of Moses (Gal 4:4-5). And upon His death, as the apostle Paul put it, He “redeemed us from the curse of the law” (Gal 3:13).
Walking as Jesus walked doesn’t mean we have to keep the Law of Moses.
To walk as Jesus walked is to walk in the light; to live our lives in the truth of God, and to walk in love.
That's the command Jesus require new covenant believers to do.
You, my friend, are nothing but a judaizer not a true follower of Christ.
You're a false teacher Paul warned the church about.
@@krisztianpatay9812 Wonderful post. 🙏
When you talk of the Sabbath as a law of Moses I'm left wondering why did God use the term 'remember' 🤔 when it comes to Sabbath keeping it is because it was created at the beginning of creation when there was no Jew or gentile. It says He sanctified and hallowed it . It is a blessed day for one to relax and feed your soul and concentrate on praising God without distractions. To be honest it is a day I long for every week.
Hi Hannah. The weekly Sabbath that God commanded of Israel was not created at the beginning of time. God created the universe in six days and on the seventh day He rested. But it was not a Sabbath like He gave to mankind. It was God resting from his creation. He did not go back to work creating on the 8th day. His work was completed. His seventh day never ended. Instead he rested with his people, Adam and Eve in the garden. That was his ideal. But we sinned and got kicked out of God’s rest. And God put a plan of redemption in place to one day return humanity to His rest. That is what we will find in the new heaven and new earth at the end of time.
When Israel was at Sinai, God gave them the weekly Shabbat to remind them that He is the creator of all things, and that His people can rest in him and trust Him for their provision. It was a gift, a beautiful foretaste of the true rest we would one day be given. That rest has now been given to us in a new way in Christ. “So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.” -Hebrews 4:9-10. “Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.” -Matthew 11:28.
Blessings,
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots your post read “The weekly Sabbath that God commanded of Israel was not created at the beginning of time”
Can you define what you mean by created?
@@yisraelavraham4078 When I say the weekly Shabbat was "created," I am referring to the fact that Yahweh created/made/established regulations regarding resting on the seventh day: remember it, do no work, kindle no fires, etc. And those regulations include a penalty: "Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death (Ex 31:15)."
The weekly Shabbat was tied to Creation and the exodus from Egypt. But it was not given until after Israel had left Egypt. If any Sabbath expectations or regulations predate that time period, they are not recorded in Scripture. Thus the weekly Shabbat was "created" by Yahweh for Israel.
As Yeshua said, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27).
Shalom,
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots I believe the Israelites kept the Sabbath even before . When they were in the wilderness manna was given to them for six days and not on the seventh and this was before Moses was given the ten commandments. Don't also forget that, that commandment is the only one that begins with 'remember' and there is no other. Furthermore you agree with all other commandments apart from this one because I'm pretty sure you don't have other gods that you worship. Let me tell you what makes me feel so strongly about the 10 commandments it's because God took time to write them Himself and I also believe it is a moral obligation to humankind that even a servant gets time to rest and worship their maker just as we are morally obligated to not kill.
@@hannahkuria3699 That is very true, Hannah. Exodus 16 shows us that the Sabbath rhythm was given to Israel even before they reached Mount Sinai. And I agree with you that the 10 Commandments are a very big deal because they were given directly by Yahweh.
However, I disagree that the weekly Sabbath regulations were "a moral obligation to humankind" because they were not given to humankind. They were only given to Israel. Gentiles have never been expected to keep Shabbat, and they have never been punished for not keeping Shabbat.
Blessings,
Rob
Sir, how is the Lord's supper taken? I know it's unleavened bread and grape juice. But I'm confused as to whether it's one loaf and one cup? What if ,there are 50 people present. Also individual wafers and individual cups is that the correct way? Do you have a video on this? Thanks and God bless you.
Hello, CP! The Bible gives us very little instruction on taking the Lord's Supper. It simply teaches that we are to take bread and wine in remembrance of Jesus' death on our behalf. Scripture offers no direction on what type of bread, what type of wine, how many people should be present, how often it should occur, and so on. So my recommendation is that we not get legalistic or dogmatic about it. In my opinion, the importance of this sacrament lies in the taking in of physical elements (whatever kind of bread and wine we use), to remind us of the physical death that Jesus suffered, and that, in doing so, our hearts and minds are focused on remembering His amazing sacrifice for us.
Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots God bless you. Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Matzoh NOT LEAVENED BREAD and wine not grape juice.
Jesus said “as often as you do THIS, you do it in remembrance of me" remembrance of me." What is the"THIS"? He's instructing his disciples to remember him on the Passover that happens once a year. It’s not communion. It’s the Passover. And Passover is celebrated with Matzoh and wine not bread and grape juice.
@@randysandford4033"As OFTEN as you to this" not as SELDOM as you do this. "Therefore, if you died with Messiah to the elementary principles of the world, why as if you were living in this world, do you subject yourself to LEGALISTIC RULES? 'Do not touch! Do not taste! Do not handle!' These all are to perish with use and are aligned with the COMMANDMENTS and the TEACHINGS OF MEN." (Colossians 2:20-22) Jesus is now our Passover and our Sabbath rest, and we have Him 365/24/7, not just once a year. "Therefore, let NO ONE JUDGE YOU regarding food, or drink, or in respect of a HOLY DAY (Passover), or a new moon or SABBATH DAYS. These are SHADOWS of things to come, but the SUBSTANCE is Messiah. Tragically, these Legalists are embracing the shadows rather than the substance, Who is Yeshua.
I was involved and it was a quick path from atheism to Christian to making things difficult in my family, converting to Judaism and doubting God, back to militant atheism and counter-evangeliastic member of FFRF, and now Nazarene leaning toward Orthodoxy
I remain convinced that the best approach is not to target the Torah and argue against it's validity in the New Covenant era, but to emphasize its Old Testament purpose.
The Torah served as God's standard required of Israel for the inheritance of the land. Scripture is clear about this connection. The blessings for obedience are land based: bountiful harvest, safety, and success on the land. The curses for disobedience to the Torah are also land based: famine, disease, war and exile.
Circumcision is a sign of the inheritance of the land. This is why the procedure of circumcision has always represented entry into full obligation to obey the Torah. Once the inheritance is received, it is followed by the imperative to obey God's terms for that inheritance.
Once you walk a "Hebrew Roots" advocate down these points, the logic should lock in the conclusion that the Torah is not for the gentile - not for salvation purposes, nor is it for "sanctification" purposes. It is land based, for residence/safety on the land.
It doesn't apply to the gentile now, and it didn't apply to the gentile then. Yes, some things were required of the "Ger" and "Toshav" however these were gentiles seeking to live on the land.
The beauty of the New Covenant is that gentiles can join the Covenant without having to become circumcised. The full implication of this, is that gentiles are allowed to become Covenant members without having to bind themselves to the land and its obligations.
That's a very interesting angle, Ian. Thanks! Have you tried that line of reasoning with a HR believer?
@@TheBiblicalRoots It worked with me!
I will try this. I've worked side by side with a HR guy for over 3 years now. We agree on the death, burial, resurrection, and a few other non salvation issues but there is much disagreement. We have settled the differences in a peaceful manner, but I am CONSTANTLY inundated with HR theology and it has driven my brother and I crazy. I'm convinced God put this guy in my life to drive me to read and study more lol. I will try this approach but I have little hope that anything will change this man's mind
Gee. Maybe one day I will be able to get through using this truth. 🙏
There might be a problem then if that’s true Ian. It would be totally fine if you believe like 80% or 90% of christianity that we go to Heaven when we die. If that we’re true then your probably right. The scripture tells us what happens in the end......
Because the end is declared in the beginning we see that God has many time tried to live with us and we keep messing up. In creation he made a perfect place and people that were without sin and he could be with them.
He said to build the Mishkan so that He may dwell in us. Exo.25:8 (Mishkan in Hebrew is a home that’s in us. Like the the name of the younger sister in Ezekiel) the Mishkan was designed like an eden with floral decorations and a tree (menorah).
Yahshua came and conquered death to allow us to be able to live with God again like it was supposed to be from the beginning. God still has rules of how to act towards Him and to each other that apply in His house forever.
It’s all about inheritance of the land all the land on earth. From the beginning to the end!
“And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more.
And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Elohim, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
And I heard a loud voice from the heaven saying,
“See, the Booth of Elohim is with men, and He shall dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and Elohim Himself shall be with them and be their Elohim.
and having a great and high wall, having twelve gates, and at the gates twelve messengers, and names written on them, which are those of the twelve tribes of the children of Yisra’ĕl:
And the city had no need of the sun, nor of the moon, to shine in it, for the esteem of Elohim lightened it, and the Lamb is its lamp. And the nations, of those who are saved, shall walk in its light, and the sovereigns of the earth bring their esteem into it.
And there shall by no means enter into it whatever is unclean, neither anyone doing abomination and falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.”
Revelation 21:1-3, 12, 23-24, 27
““Blessed are those doing His commands, so that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of life, and to enter through the gates into the city.”
Revelation 22:14
"That way, all will realize there is nothing to the things they have been told about you (Paul), but that you yourself walk in an orderly manner, keeping the Torah." - James (Acts 21:24)
"Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ." - Paul to the Corinthian believers (1 Corinthians 11:1)
"For though I am free from all, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win more of them. To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law. To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some. I do it all for the sake of the gospel, that I may share with them in its blessings." (1 Cor 9:19-23)
💯 Romans 3:31"Do we, then, nullify the Law through faith? Never may it be! Instead, we uphold Law."
@@TheBiblicalRoots not being outside the law of god
James was acting dishonestly through this. He was trying to put on a show for the Jews with Paul by having Paul go through the purification process of the Old Testament. He (James) was trying to convince the Jews that Paul was not teaching that people should not be circumcised (Acts 21:21) when he indeed was teaching that. This was an error on James and Paul's part in Acts and is in no ways proof to keep the Mosiac law.
@@TheStockCarStig So Jesus commanded the disciples to stop obeying the Mosaic Law?
Wow!! A thumbs up on this video!! 👍
Thanks, Annie!
R.
I was told going to church on Sunday was a sign of the mark of the beast. (They say keeping sabbath basically meant going to church). I said when I was growing up we went to church Wednesday night, Saturday night, Sunday morning and night. So was I keeping sabbath three times a week? Shouldn’t you worship God every day? Then I asked what is the sabbath for? It’s rest. Why is going to a church service considered rest? They didn’t really have an answer. I didn’t go into Jesus being our sabbath rest because they walked away. But I could see they were thinking.
Thank you for this video. I have several Hebrew roots family members and they are exactly like the others you described. I won’t stop praying for them!
Wow. There is so much wrong with this. To pick outliers and apply it to all who follow Torah but believe Yeshua is Messiah is unfair. Anyone who believes the Messiah and follows Torah is not a gentile. Read Ruth. There are 2 groups in the world, Israel and Gentiles. Israel is God's chosen people. You can be part of them or not. BTW grace is not unmerited favor. Do a word study. Grace is always merited. Compassion and Mercy are unmerited.
This guy is so good at taking the text out of context. So sad.
Thanks, Tom. I appreciate your comments. I agree with you that Torahism is not a monolithic belief system. (I was pretty clear about that starting around 2:03.) But I'd love to know what "outliers" you are referring to.
Also, FYI, I don't define Gentiles as "anyone who believes the Messiah and follows Torah." Gentiles are simply non-Jews. And every single Torahist I've ever met, talked to, read, or engaged with is a Gentile. And Gentiles were not part of the Sinai Covenant and have never been expected to keep Torah.
Blessings,
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots Thanks for your response. I didn't mean to imply you define Gentiles as "anyone who believes the Messiah and follow Torah". I was a statement. If you believe in Messiah and keep Torah, you are not a Gentile. You have become part of Israel. There is no such thing as a Messianic Gentile. You are either Israel or the world (Gentile). The mixed multitude that came out of Israel became part of Israel. Caleb for example. Ruth is another. And you are right, Gentiles have no part in the Sinai Covenant and are not expected to keep Torah. When you join yourself to Israel to follow the Messiah and imitate Him you are then expected to observe Torah.
Have a blessed day,
@@tomcantrell8741 Thanks, Tom. What do you mean by "Israel?" Are you referring to the political nation? Or is that a term you are using to refer to the People of God, like Galatians 6:16? Or something else?
@@TheBiblicalRoots Definitely not the political nation. I am referring to God's chosen people. Yes like Gal 6:16 "Israel of God". Or Jeremiah 31.
Okay, got it. Thanks!
And when you say we should "observe Torah," what does that look like? Are we to maintain a Levitical priesthood that will perform animal sacrifices for atonement and thanksgiving and such? Are Christian males to be circumcised on the 8th day? Are we supposed to pilgrimage to Jerusalem three times every year?
Rob
My sister had a revelation one night from God about 2 years ago, she really got into the Bible after this (and she also helped me get back in to Bible). We have many disagreements over the Sabath issue, in fact she follows the moon calendar to celebrate her sabath. She believes in being saved by grace but she contents she is following the commandment in Revolutions which says to follow Gods commandments. She thinks by me celebrating Christmas and Easters I am observing pagen ways. She also says (when I bring up Paul) that everyone misunderstands Paul, the disciple who said he was afraid people would misunderstand what Paul was preaching. I don't know how to get thru to her.
Hi Barbara. I'm sorry to hear about the trouble you're having with your sister. You might find this video helpful if you haven't seen it yet: *Five tips for a biblical response to our Torah-keeping friends and family* czcams.com/video/FRKc65y4NLU/video.html
One thing I have found over the last few years as I've been really studying this movement is that there is typically not one passage or verse you can cite that will "snap them out of it." And at the end of the day, this is not really a theological problem. Christians like your sister who adopt a Torah-observant lifestyle (and are divisive about it) seem to do so in response to an issue of identity or a misguided emotional commitment of some sort. And I very much believe there is a spiritual aspect to it, as well. With some people, you can almost see a spirit of legalism overtake them.
So my advice is to love your sister, pray for her, but hold your ground biblically. Don't let her guilt you about Christmas and Easter and Saturday Sabbath, and so on. Our salvation and our righteousness are complete in Jesus! There is nothing we can do to add a thing to the righteousness that is ours through faith in Him.
Blessings,
Rob
My prayers are with you that God will lead us all as He has instructed. God bless you. X
The moon is for feast days AS COL 2:16, THE SABBath is every 7th day from creation THE CATHOLICS try to throw it of with an eight day week, the works of satan. They failed....GOD is true to HIS WORD. PRAISE YAH ALWAYS!!
Is the truthunedited channel Hebrew roots movement please? I have just come across it
@md3696 apparently it’s Jehovah Witness
You remind me of the Pharisees during Yeshua’s first time here.
HRM gets around first point with a variation on the 'British Israelitism' of Armstrongism by claiming that they are part of the Lost Northern Tribes of Israel. It is kind of a replacement theology in reverse. HRM gets around the second point by claiming that all non-Torah keepers are Pagan and not part of the true church. HRM gets around the last point by questioning the NT, Paul, and re-defining Jesus.
So in other words, HRM is unbiblical. Agreed!
@@TheBiblicalRoots there is no replacement theology. one must be part of Israel. (either by birth or grafted in) God does not have two groups. Only Israel.
What is HRM
@@AyeWitness Hebrew Roots Movement
@@disciplemike1 we get grafted in though through faith in Jesus though not the Mosaic law.
I grew up around both Mormons Jehovah’s witnesses. How do they believe or what do they do in regards to the Torah? I would like to understand
Mr. Solberg- I am deeply gratefully I am to find you and your website. My brother has fallen captive to this way of thinking. Now he is on a “mission to convert” the rest of our family and all Christians to this movement.
I resonate with many of your observations. I’m wondering if there might be a way of contacting you in person?
I'm glad you found us, Peter! You can contact me here: rlsolberg.com/contact/
BTW, if you haven't seen it yet, here's another video of ours that you might find helpful:
*Five tips for responding to Torah-keeping family and friends*
czcams.com/video/FRKc65y4NLU/video.html
Blessings, Rob
Your brother speaks truth. Don't be blinded by pride.
Isaiah 56 “Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
3 Do not let the son of the foreigner
Who has joined himself to the Lord
Speak, saying,
“The Lord has utterly separated me from His people”;
Nor let the eunuch say,
“Here I am, a dry tree.”
4 For thus says the Lord:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 Even to them I will give in My house
And within My walls a place and a name
Better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give [a]them an everlasting name
That shall not be cut off.
6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants-
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant-
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
8 The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says,
“Yet I will gather to him
Others besides those who are gathered to him.”