The Rise and Fall of Sim City
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In this episode I look at the rise and fall of Maxis title Sim City. What went wrong and could it have all been avoided?
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I vividly remember the first couple of hours of playing Cities Skylines and continuously thinking 'this is exactly what I wanted from SimCity (2013)'.
MAXIS: Let's make people and city simulators!
Maxis makes great simulations.
EA: Hey, sell out to us! You'll make truckloads of money!
MAXIS: OK.
EA: Ruins both Simcity and The SIMS.
Ea is retarded
Simcity 4: Rush Hour will always be the greatest Simcity game... then I discovered Cities: Skylines.
I personally like Simcity 4 better than Skylines
@@majamystic256 SimCity 4: Rush Hour is where its at! Still have it...now I want to revisit playing it.
Cities: Skylines easily knocked everyone out. It is the best city building simulation ever existed. I play it time to time since it got released and actually got it as present by my dad.
@@majamystic256 Cities Skylines is Simcity 4 Rush Hour on steroids
@Jamie Olive Oil Uhm, no. Because alone the fact that people always have the same work place and home makes Cities: Skylines mich more strategic. Cities: Skylines gives you also the Steam Workshop, which makes it VERY is easy to mod it.
I'm not sure if it's just me, but I loved building rural communities with railroad systems in Simcity 4 and then driving the trains around and hitting cars.
Can u lay ur own railway tracks in sim city 4?
@@gauravpdaksh guessing you found out, but yeah.
@@blackberrybold9300 okk bro, thanks
Two Words: Electronic Arts
That's what EA gets for being penny-pinchers
I know. Skylines is basically twice the game for half the price.
@@wta1518 but 2 billion dlcs
@@skeptic781 Yeah, but they offer 4 billion times the game.
@@wta1518 that's cool and all but I don't wanna go bankrupt to get the full experience
@@skeptic781 Then don't buy the expansions.
SimCity 4 was definitely the pinnacle of the franchise. I think SimCity 3000 was very good as well for its time.
Perhaps it got crappier because he turned his focus to The Sims which is a classic as well.
Is sim city 4D the same as sim city 4?
@@gauravpdaksh if 4D means deluxe then yes
Wow. Never EVER underestimate the power of a strong community. Game developers, take heed.
It's heartbreaking to finally hear what went wrong with SimCity. It remains the only video game I played or wanted to play. Now I'm curious about Cities Skylines and just from seeing what little footage there is in this video I may already be sold. Genuinely heartbroken. 😔
I played SimCity 2013 very long, till i discovered Cities Skylines at Gronks Channel
SC 2013 is actually better than C:S at the base to be honest, Paradox aren't EA but don't tell me that Paradox are not scummy, it also runs like shit on my PC meanwhile SC2013 works very well.
@@Dexter037S4 simcity 2013 is so much worse than cities skylines
@@nerevarchthn6860 I like the feeling of accomplishment in SimCity since Cities skylines is more like a traffic manager
@@Dexter037S4 C:S is better than SC2013.
@@wta1518 it is an individual choice. SC 2013 does have some great advantages - modular building, better interface, multiplayer option. Unfortunately Maxis didn't finish development of this game. With all bugs fixed SC '13 would be top game.
This is such a fascinating situation, once a series is so well established it’s so rare to see them completely trashed by a competitor, but that’s exactly what happened and it’s clear why it happened.
all the sim cities were a huge part of my childhood, originally had simcity on the snes, then eventually went to PC for better city builders, but sim city online was an embarressment, it's a town, not a city, I was a bit gutted, so glad I never bought it,it took me a while to narrow the options down between ciiesXL and cities skylines, I chose the latter :) also EA had a huge part to play in executing maxis,they've killed off so many great studios, Bullfrog is one of them, the makers of theme hospital :( westwood studios, the creators of command & conquer, it's a tragic list and it's not a short one :(
more people play simcity 4 than they do the Sim -city- town online and I have to say, this is a very well made video, thank you and well done!
I remember when it first came out. Such a power move from colossal order.
Everybody always forgets SimCity Societies exists, but I guess it's not the main one?
Better not remember that
@@RaphaelValentimSartori yeah it was a failure on all fronts
great overview of the SimCity saga
Anyone else still playing Simcity 4 in 2019? no? just me? okay then....
Gaming Geek I still play sim city 5
2020, i played today 😂
2020 and I am going to re-install it first thing tomorrow morning. It's a classic
I just downloaded and trying to upload the essential mods but it’s so hard to do I don’t understand
i love Simcity 4
I find it interesting that the exact same story pretty much went down for roller coaster tycoon also
i've got a video on that also!
I'm hoping that Paralives is like Cities Skylines in the way that they noticed the angry players, small indie team, and became an overnight success. Let's hope that third one works out for Paralives.
Funny you should mention it, that game is going to be featured in an upcoming video
The ending really summed it all up. Skylines is just SC4 modernized embracing everything that made it a hit and ditching everything they made sc5 bust. I paid good money for sc5 and only have roughly 4h play time in it. I very quickly jumped ship and joined the skylines bandwagon and still play it to this day
Sim City 4 Deluxe Edition was my childhood. It is still my favorite city builder, with the possible exception of Cities: Skylines.
It's pretty amusing how Societies wasnt event a footnote here.
EA is suck
Sim City sold a lot of copies because it was the only "city building" game at that time. Cites skyline was made by a small team and they beat Sim City
I hope this will happen with The Sims too ...
They milked The Sims and sucked people money
Paralives is a game that seems to want to beat the sims
God, I so totally loved Sim City back in the days. What a pity.
Maxis, Westwood, Bioware, the pattern is clear.
This reminds me: I need to break out Sim Cities Societies. It was a neat experiment.
Very well made video.
It is so sad what happened to SimCity. SimCity 2012 was so bad... Cities Skylines is a wonderful game but I miss the spirit of SimCity. R.I.P
SimCity 2013 is actually ok in my opinion, I hate people who say C:S is a thousand times better when at launch, it was missing a shit ton of features that were later added as DLC, which is equally as scummy as EA.
@@Dexter037S4 how is it scummy that a very small creator team wants a bit of money for all their work?
Do you want Disasters in C:S? No! And I dont want to pay 10€ for a Hostpital, which is only good for Disasters. In CS you get for 15€ many traffic systems and buildings.
@@Dexter037S4 Unlike the actually scummy Electronic Arts, Colossal Order always accompany expansion packs with free updates:
• day/night cycle
• dynamic weather
• radio stations
• road building guidelines and names
• intersection settings
• tunnels
• overground metro
• reworked noise logic
• scenario editor
Not to mention, the expansion packs between the two companies have a large price difference.
@@entonduck Many traffic systems are in free update, though. The ability to change intersection's characteristic is perhaps the biggest feature.
I LOVE the fact that the vid is bout simcity but theres giveaway for a c:s dlc
I know what my audience likes :P I'm primarily a C:S channel
Fun fact: SimCity doesn't have the stupid death waves.
HAHAHA!! LOOL YES. Everytime I have to worry about dead bodies in Cities Skylines I just grumble under my breath "at least SimCity didn't make me deal with this shit...."
Never had a death wave, and I have over 600 hours in C:S.
Fun Fact: In City: Skylines you can expand your plot.
@@wta1518 that is literally impossible.
@@entonduck Fun Fact: in SimCity 4 you have entire regions of plots that you can just start up whenever you want without having to unlock and buy new plots.
Would Cities Skylines be an "unofficial" continuation to Simcity 4?
I'm not good at cities skylines, I'm a huge fan of the Tropico series. But cities skylines has a better system with more ways of public transportation, bridges, tunnels, trains, ect. Sometimes I go back to tropico 6.
The Tropico series is great, I just wish it allowed for more creativity than it does
@@TidusMino that's a fair point. I like the economy system and governmental powers in that game, but it doesn't allow for a whole lot of creativity in terms of building.
Cities Skylines is EVERYTHING that SimCity 2013 SHOULD HAVE been and MORE. I absolutely LOVE Cities Skylines. It's a shame that SimCity 2013 failed because I REALLY did want to like that game so much.
I've Been playing Simcity For Years when I was a kid, SimCity 4 is my biggest fav! I'm Not even gonna like SimCity 5, or 2013, Cause there's no creative stuff in it.
Wdym it’s unlikely we’ll get a follow up, we already have world renowned mobile video game SimCity BuildIt!
Cities XXL...what to talk about this one? I know people hate this one....but I really want some explaination from this game, what happened with the company creator from the game, if they still wants to do another city builder game or if they abandoned everything....today cities skylines is the King of city builder games, but I REALLY want some other company to make a better one with moderm graphics, phisics, realism from the city and living people etc....I wanting so long lol and any new game can kick off the throne of cities skylines, not even anno 1800, tropico 6 or a soviet building capital, or the weird futuristic cities...sorry if you like this but I as a simple person prefer something more realistic actually down-in-the-earth like cities skylines but better, imagine a modern in graphics a new city builder with a different way of building you be able to detail your map in every place, detailing is what most of us likes, you can see the best players like sam, biffa, keralis, imperator etc...all them likes using mods to do every piece as them wish... city builder can change like this, my dream is it to look more bigger and free like a real planet, a server with friends you choose a region and set a town, with friends you helping each other, no limits of map, you decide how big it is gonna be...but its need time we have no technology to do that, it is need a modern pc to run everything ok...a planet is huge, and getting a big town makes pc get slow and lagging...but in the next generations I hope with the new modern tech it will change a lot...to be more realistic in rerms of looking and keep away the obstacles ...I always wanted city buildings to deal better with politics like urban empire or tropico and get realism at industries, and other services buildings, making massive industries is so amazing even cities skylines got a DLC about but it could be realistics, giant, like a mining ore you put a excavator that dont even dig the mountain, its just eww imagine zoning a place with ore and you put the machines and the AI know that he must dig and extract the ore and bring back to store and process that, how more it extract more bigger is getting the hole, like real mining and it it gets no more ore you close and leave the place and find more places to extract...for this reason making better details is need....mods will work how it should be...not be a decoration, like many mods are....it needs to have a effect in the town, also the people from the city should be more human people, accept more the way you rule the town, like I Hate when ppl from city gets angry and abandon house if fet 13% of taxes or polution, traffic etc, CS creators made the game look huge but if you look zoomed was just to make the people look smaller and the vehicles be reasy to do so dont need so much details...all this i dream to change, look like watching earth from nasa space, getting better animations of the growing dynamic of cities, more options to detailing skills etc ...damn I talked so much nobody will read to this....anyway....I will wait I dreaming a day seeing a great new city builder by other company that can be have concurrence with cities skylines, its 2019....I will still wait....my wallet is ready...
Lmao I read everything and I agree with most
simcity 3000 was actually the dopest game and I feel the absolute reverse when it came to that other one
Woah, i never realized Maxis was already EA before EA bought them...
Good job, EA.
I'm assuming sarcasm, so you are correct... 😏
I remember sim city roll out, and couldn’t get online...etc. I was so pissed off with the city sizes, and all the damn bugs. Ugh, EA finally tried to make things right by offering a free game, but it was too little too late at that point.
I'm playing sim city 3000 in 2021. It's so funny and relaxing to me.
Sims is 100% the next to meet this fate. All the boxes are ticked. Immense bad will and dissatisfaction in the player base? Tick. Mismanagement of the franchise and fan expectations? Tick. New emerging indie competitor? Tick, and tick, because there's more than just one life simulator coming. Upcoming Sims 5 game to be online? Scarily, tick. The Sims and Sim City are truly iconic franchises, and almost like the foundation of so many games today. Honestly just heartbreaking to see them go out this way, but I'd rather they just fail and die off, and leave us with the old masterpieces, than continue to stain and cheapen their own legacy.
I have Sim City 4: Deluxe for PC. It is still great to this day
City Skylines is good and I have many hours in it, but let's be real it just doesn't have that special charm or goofy humor the SimCity games had
End of the day though, functionality trumps humour and charm any day of the week. And SimCity 2013 proved it in terms of everything you DON'T do to a beloved franchise and drive it into the ground.
Why did you only show video from one of the games though
Because this video went to shit after 4 mins
Fascinating video and history. A sad end to a once great game... 😑
I remember playing simcity 3000 using a disk when I was younger
I play Simcity 2013 and keep it since my PC is not strong enough for Cities Skyline
and no, i am not buying it, i pirated it
If a EA game that do not exist on steam, i am not buying it
I've only ever played it on SNES
I played SimCity 4 Rush Hour the whole time when I was deployed overseas. I was looking forward to the 5th installment in 2013 but that was ruined. They got greedy.
Nostalgia
Informative
Maxis/EA didn't just drop the ball in the end, they kicked in into the gutter.
0:43 lol skyline is now free in epic store
yeah it sometimes is and sometimes isn't. Unlucky me, I bought it when it wasn't free
@@thegunslinger9707 I wanted to buy it on the epic games store, but when I got a new pc it was already gone.
J.J. book - "Death and life of great American cities"
Subtitled what happens when EA buys a gaming studio…..
seems like after 2 minutes he ran out of footage
Heck yes
Sim city on the super nintendo.
Thats my childhood rught there.
What about sim cities societies?
Rise and fall of Spore?
I wasn't actually planning to make this a series outside of the Roller Coaster Tycoon and Sim City videos i've done. I will look into it though!
I want to see this!
And also the rise and fall of the sims!
Alright! Thanks!
I remember playing the DS version, titled Spore Creatures, and giving up on the cold planet. 😂 That planet was pretty hard, too.
I have Spore but I really need a remastered version of it.
An other one of these tech companies that think they decide what the customer buys. It makes me feel relieved that they went busto. They had it coming. Now it's Apple's turn.
Sim city build it for mobile
Just no
I play that thing.
what happened? first person/3rd person action games and consoles happened.
pc simulation games, both the action simulator and management simulator games are not something that's easily marketable nor sell well for the wider console audiences... so when the industry was tightly controlled by big corporations that demands consistent profits every year, and these games couldn't provide them with such income compared to action games and therefore either tried to be dumbed down or killed off.
and here's another thing, games like cities skylines in itself is also a double edged sword for everyone involved, you cannot revive sim city until cities skylines is dead... well think about this, anything sim city could produce today would ended up being a clone of cities skylines, so anyone who tried to compete has great risks attached to it, just by competing, I know there are some indie titles producing city builder games on steam alone, promising amazing features for their titles, but I have doubts for them to actually competing with cities skylines, they might turned out to be good indie titles but far from selling as good. That's also why some dev tried to make a spin on city builder games by setting them on non realistic setting like Cliff Empire or Flotsam but it remain a high probability that such titles will remain to be obscure indie titles no matter how good the products are.
Here is one thing: Cities: Skylines will eventually die. Whether it is through Cities: Skylines 2 or a competitor, Skylines will not remain the king of city simulation. My guess is that within the next 5 years Cities: Skylines will no longer be relevant.
@@wta1518 It's been also more than a year since the previous expansion (Sunset Harbor). Whatever Colossal Order is working on, it will be huge for Cities: Skylines (or the theoretical sequel).
6:12 "aid" is a very.... misleading term lol
they still HAVENT ADDED MODS FOR PS4. I am waiting cityskyline 🗿
The console version is so far behind :(
What EA games did to Sim City 2013 caused me to boycott the company. I haven't bought an EA games title since then.
Actually SimCity is a really good game for mobile right now!
Well SimCity build it is
Can I still win the DLC?
Sim city build it was a horrible dumpster fire with so many mistakes. I pity EA
7:36
"SimCity 3000 would unfortunately release disastrously" "SimCity, SimCity 2000, SimCity 3000 were huge global successes"
You really jumped all around the timeline in this video and glossed over or outright skipped quite a few things.
Maybe just after simcity 3000 4 was bestseller SimCity 6 will be good....if it's released till then I m gonna sitick with cities skyline
It seems cruel to blame Maxis for the failure of Sim City 2013, knowing in the first place, which company owned Maxis, EA, therefore, and knowing its history of buying developers, the destiny of Maxis in game development was inevitable...
I will defend SimCity BuildIt. That game was great, now they kinda ruined it with updates and changes and they weren't even fixing what needed to be broken
Waiting till they are gonna fuck up the sims 👌
Have you paid attention to the current state of the Sims 4 fan base (more of a hate base at this point)?
They have been ever since they released 4 and left Sims 3 with unaddressed glitches.
#MAKESIMCITYGREATAGAIN
EA kills every Franchise they Touch.
C & C was first then SimCity.
i actually quit simcity on android in 2019 and began on theotown
EA GAMES is responsible for the AT MINIMUM lackluster SIM CITY 3, 4 and what can be called the 5th?!
Sim city is bad
Remember ea killed the Maxis. :(
Tidus - "Do i show what I am talking about or just repeat the same Sim City Classic clip throughout the video" Your amateurishness disgusts me.
Yeah this video doesn't hold up, thanks for the feedback though. It's a 2 year old video :)
Added sugar? More like extra salt. Jesus. Lol don't get me wrong, your opinion is respected, but it could've been delivered quite a bit less... Agressively?
@@cyberspark5574 probably would have helped 2 years earlier as well
@@freewyvern707 Yeah, probably. But I never even heard of this video till around that time so I came by those few months ago. and honestly wasn't looking at the timestamps when I replied. lol
SimCity now looks like a garbage arcade game. SimCity 4 is the be all end all. I still play SimCity 4 now
next time you don't have the correct video material to support your remarks just do a podcast.
Simcity is the best! Better than Cities Skyline 😂
You're joking, right? If you like small map sizes and an always online server requirement, then sure. But I think you'll find that the community disagrees.
Sim City 4 and 2013, still more fun than Shitty Skylines
SimCity 4, meh maybe. But 2013, no offence intended but you've GOT to be joking. It's fun to be always online is it? It's fun to have a small map size for your city creations? Sorry, but the community disagrees.