How To Install a Sub Panel for Emergency Backup Power - Anker SOLIX F3800 Home Power Panel
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In this video I show the process of how to wire a sub panel to be used with the Anker Home Power Panel backup battery transfer switch.
0:00 Introduction
0:52 Sub Panels
1:18 Mounting The Home Power Panel
3:26 Bending PVC & Running Conduit
5:05 Running Wires & Required Materials
13:15 Ground Bars
15:28 Disconnecting Power & Moving Circuits
18:15 Running 100amp Circuit to HPP
23:20 Installing Circuits in Sub Panel
26:20 System Startup & Test with Naomi
33:15 Self Consumption Mode & App Configuration Options
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I was taught to run a service loop for wiring from an old journeyman in 1970 it has served me well, carry on young man. good content
I use a hydraulic crimping tool with marine grade butt connectors when I have to crimp stuff. It seems to work acceptably for most larger wire sizes (#10-#4 for my purposes). Connecting a submersible well pump with that setup and some real good water rated heat shrink tubes is commonly a trusted connection, and that's underwater!
We all really need a way to properly nondestructively test crimps. I wish I had access to some kind of portable x ray 🤣
Great job. Funny wife.
This was very interesting and you explain things very well so people can understand. Thank you.
Awsome presentation 👌
I like to use plastic entry clamps/fittings… they work like Chinese finger cuffs and work great, they’re cheap and code compliant.
I actually like them as well to be honest and have used them in junction boxes pretty frequently. I just prefer the look of the metal ones for panels.
Good job. Like it that you do not talk 100/hr. Hi to the Mrs.
Smart to use those lugs.
Ben, I like the idea of using the lugs instead of the crimp connectors, I don't think I would have thought of this. I have been researching this particular setup for a few days now for a customer that can't use a generator and I'm glad I ran across your video. He wants backup power for his computer system and a few other things but it needs to be bigger than just a regular UPS. This may very well be the solution he is looking for. I'm glad you showed how it operates after you showed the installation. I like your work.
I like you using the screw lugs instead of the crimp on connectors. That way a DIY Does not have to have the special tool required to crimp the connector on to the end of the large gage wire. Nice personal touch, that your son and wife was there with you.
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Thx a lot for the vid.
The CTs should be facing towards the panel not the grid.
I believe you are correct. I'm not sure how, but it worked just fine this way.
I wish I had your skills. I would save a lot of $$. Keep up the good work!
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haha it was killing me too nice work ✌🏻💯
Lol, I love that you left your wife on the right side of the screen even though her part was done. 😂 Great wife!
Awesome job, brother!! Always very interesting, and you are knowledgeable.
Thanks Matt! How's life been treating you lately?
I am doing pretty good, buddy. Thank you! How are you?
@MGPackers Staying busy! You going to go see the solar eclipse?
@BenjaminSahlstrom I am planning on it, and it is really cool. How about you?
Great Job!
Your idea for the main panel automatic transfer switch islanding is definitely technically possible as essentially that’s what the Anker switch is doing, it just was designed with the 50amp limit to keep costs down vs a system like Enphase’s Smart Switch which enables the autoswitch and microgrid formation. But Enphase costs 10x this solution AND when it directly interfaces with the main grid connection there are a bunch more regs/permitting issues vs an essential loans panel which is probably why they avoided it at first pass. I would bet that adding an Enphase Smart Switch and treating the Anker system as “generator” might work so long as Enphase plays nice (they’ve not had the best reputation interfacing with non-Enphase components).
Interesting! Thanks for sharing that information. I need to learn more about Enphase.
Great Video. Thank you for sharing
You bet!
Real good one !!!
Loved this video. Would you mind making one on the rooftop solar integration feature? I bought this system, and have existing rooftop solar, but my electrician doesn't think the rooftop solar will work when the grid power is down
Great idea EMP proof
Gm Bengy very smart keep it up
Does the computer run on its own UPS? That blink, which is visible on your video, happens long enough for a desktop to crash or your NAS files to have corruption to occur. I have a big double conversion UPS, which is limited to all my hardware and specific lights around the house. This only works for about 30 min. Your setup is very interesting. I also love Anker stuff.
Having an additional UPS with desktop computers & other sensitive electronics is probably still a great plan.
Great video! That shutoff at the meter is handy. I’ve never had to do this but I was under the impression usually you have to cut the tag, open the cover, and pull the meter. Do most meters have a shutoff like yours?
Pulling the meter would definitely be safer yet but usually the utility company requires that you have them do that. Adding a lock would also be smart.
It really varies as to whether or not you will have a disconnect at the meter. It seems like it is now becoming pretty standard though now that most areas require an outdoor emergency disconnect. I'm honestly surprised that mine has a disconnect since that panel appears to be about 100 years old... haha
@@BenjaminSahlstrompulling the meter under load is not safe and not recommended.
“My OCD nature often times costs me a lot of time”
“I’m going off of memory from a measurement I took yesterday”
So which one is it? OCD or wing it?
Hi, great vid! 2 questions: 1.) Can you use other batteries with the solix? 2.) Has installing the lugs instead of the crimp ends essentially replaced ferrules? I dont see them in electrical dept. anymore... Old school diy-er...
Is there a way to provide “whole home” backup instead of just the sub panel with the Solix?
There are two ways I would think that could be done.
Option 1: If you have very light electricity needs and you think you can get by with the 50a, you could possibly connect everything down stream of the HPP. This would be really awesome however it would likely require that you use gas for your heat, clothes dryer, and range. Your AC would also have to be fairly small so this would likely only work in a smaller house (like mine lol).
Option 2: Just plug in the F3800 into a manual generator inlet box connected to an interlocked breaker at your main panel. I believe Anker is going to come out with a device to allow you to use two F3800s for 12,000 watts that will work with this later this year.
One of the things I have been trying to figure out about this sort of setup is when running two F3800's. If I want to charge from directly connected solar, would each 3800 need its own set of solar panels, or would 3800 #1 share charge with #2?
Crimps work well with low strand count(coarse) wire. Screw lugs with with low strand counts are easy to loosen simply by moving the cable back and forth. People say torque once and never again but the cable itself can turn the screw??? Gotta say Hmm...worries me a little bit. I see that with low cost VFD cable. Cable is good electrically but is soooo stiff that just moving it in the loosen direction loosens screws. In that case, IMO a crimp is better.
Camping knife = wire stripper 😊
Stranded wires connecting without ferrule to check tightened contacts 7 times. Ferrules cost approximately $4 for 250 pieces, but checking if stranded wires are tightened enough many times will be more interesting and time spending.
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question..... if you have a service box with a shut off switch and it is bonded. and you have a main box inside the house and connect a generator on it with a back feed and lock out switch. when you shut off the main box switch will the bonding on the service box still be good for the generator system ???????? or do you have to turn off the switch on the service box too.
We are planning totally off grid. If we use the Anker power panel - with two F3800's, what will that schematic look like? No grid in.
Pairing 3800's is done through the Power panel
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How is the 50 amp feeder being protected from the battery back-up equipment to the sub-panel?
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Does having the Home Power Panel increase the total amps? The Solix 3800 is rated for 25 amps but you said a few times that the Home Power Panel can handle 50 amps. I have 1 Solix 3800 and am considering the Home Power Panel. If it increases the total amps, that would be a big benefit. I also have one expansion battery but that shouldn't chnage the total amps- just increases the watts. Thank you for the video! Very helpful!
I'm not 100% sure if I understand the question. My understanding is that the backup panel that is being fed by the HPP can deliver a maximum of 50a. That current can be either supplied by the F3800 power station (6,000 watts for one unit or 12,000 for two) OR the grid. I don't think it is additive to where you could have 50a from the grid and 50a from the F3800(s).
I definitely plan to do more testing to see what happens under different load conditions. So far I'm pretty impressed with how the HPP integrates with the F3800.
It seems like there is some pretty valuable information in the F3800 FB group. I know I've personally seen some interesting stuff over there.
Smart panel video in the future i see
I hope you're right about that!
I think the arrow source is in the wrong way 23:01
I've seen conflicting information on this too. It's been working fine like this but according to some documentation I agree that I may have misunderstood this. Might cut out that bit of the video.
I was under the impression all conduit ran inside was to be metal for grounding reasons.
Metal is recommended for mechanical protection. PVC is allowed inside the house in most situations, contact AHJ to verify.
Iin the countries of the former USSR, the multi-wire cable must be crimped.
As opposed to using mechanical lugs?
@@BenjaminSahlstrom Mechanical lugs are very little used, Local regulations require crimping.
Seems to be simpler if everything would just run off a battery generator at all times, and the battery just charges from the available energy, be it solar, turbine, and or grid. Then, when the power does fail, it wouldn't even be noticed until the battery is depleted. At least that's what I would want. I'd also want to get off the grid entirely by having my power managed to only use battery power and it is recharged by solar, wind, and or water turbines. These power companies have been stealing from customers long enough and it is time the consumers have the "power" to fight back. See what I did there ?
As for Nolox, or whatever, I say just avoid aluminum wire completely. If you plan to buy a house, and cannot afford to rewire it, either stipulate they give you a rewire allowance, require them to rewire it, or don't buy the house. Learned that the hard way too. In a condo.
It's nice to have "little helpers"
With the rise of these batteries and such, I am getting away from combining grounds and neutrals, regardless if it main box or not. They should be separated just for an extra layer of safety assurance.
Curious where you are. The information box says this was a month ago and you showed snow... It's been like summer last month here, which was April, as it is now May and up to 90 F degrees now.
I've had a few problems with these wire clamps too. I think they changed the design. In my case, I'd tighten them down and the entire wire broke. Imagine not knowing or even thinking of that and trying to trouble shoot why something isn't working when put all back together. So yeah, another something that has been changed, because someone wasn't happy and had to fix something that wasn't broken, causing new problems for the rest of us. Oy vey !
Bigger boxes behoove the consumer. Always better to have more room than you need, than not enough. Also, for future where you might need more room.
Why would you just wrap it in a white tape it’s your home True
Are you serious?
I do my best to abide by the NEC. Also, it was a great opportunity to discuss the code relating to this concept.
Also next time you are in that panel 10 years from now you will forget.
You could just touch your tongue to wire while holding ground or neutral to see if it's hot but not my recommended way...
Typical husband.... just leave the wife standing there.
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