Babylon 5 Newbies React to 3x16 | War Without End: Part One | First Time Watching
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- Watch Mike, Gerard, Ray, and Julien react to Babylon 5 3x16! War Without End: Part One
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05:15 Reaction
29:26 Review and Afterthoughts
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I thought science said it was possible to go back in time, just not possible to change anything as your being there was part of what happened originally. 🤔
But saying that Time travel will never happen because if it was we would be seeing time travelers now from the future, unless UFOs are time travellers with a mandate to not be seen until time travel is created (except for when they were seen) 🤔
You get an idea why this show is so good when you hear how the creator worked with and helped Michael O’Hare through filming season 1. And that once he got his illness in check brought him back so Sinclair could have real closer.
Let our good commander leave with a fanfare and quite the reveal
O’Hare’s condition really makes you reevaluate the episode And the Sky is Full of Stars. By the end of Season 1, he was nearly as messed up as Sinclair was when he came out of the neural network.
Remember back at the end of season 1 episode Babylon Squared when Ivonava tells Garibaldi next time, she goes he stays. That was foreshadowing.
"I'll be in the car" Ivanova
Time travel stories usually don’t work for me. But this one…this one has a special place in my heart. So good to see Jeff again 😊
Referring to 32:07, The time travel in Endgame Was very upsetting and a mess in my opinion. This on the other hand, was sculpted by a master craftsman, it won’t let you down.
The sad part behind the scenes. Apparently, Jerry Doyle and Michael O'Hare weren't on good terms during the filming of this episode. It wasn't known yet that O'Hare was suffering from psychological problems, only JMS knew, but he kept it secret. So they had to make a scene where Jerry Doyle would act to a screen, and not to O'Hare in person.
I dont usually like Time Travel plots either, and agree its usually a sign of weak writing, but in this case JMS does a fantastic job with it.
Especially when you consider that he had to reorganise his original plan when he could no longer have Sinclair as a main cast member.
B 5's Yesterdays's Enterprise
@@Karajormaindeed. This time travel was supposed to be how the series ended. Exchanging Sheridan for Sinclair moved this story up a season and a half.
I think when the time travel is a closed time loop it shows the writing can be tighter. Everything had to happen. With a changing timeline, time travel stories let you do what if stories with no consequences with can be frustrating.
@@SirMarshalHaig Far Superior to that Trek episode in my opinion.
The brilliance of JMS putting this together once Michael O'Hare was well enough to come back for more. These time travel things can get kind of wishy washy, but this one feels a bit different...
Zathras has arrived!
🤭 maniacal laughter of anticipation
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I use the phrase "Zath'ras used to being beast of burden" to this day when I have to move heavy stuff
Same!
These episodes are a perfect example of The Bootstrap Paradox.
"Zathras must tell Zathras what to do...no, no, no, Zathras must tell Zathras!". - Zathras of House Zathras 😂
The Garibaldi from two years ago will still show up to save Jeff. What has happened before will happen again. 😂
My big complaint with time travel stories is they end up undoing the entire plot of the episode or movie. Which ultimately makes whatever you watched a waste of time. But this one actually works. 😅
which is why i hate almost every time travel episode in star trek, with the exceptions of IV and Yesterday's Enterprise.
I agree although the Voyager episode with Harry Kim and Chacotay dealing with that topic I did not hate. But those are all exceptions to the rule. 😅
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Voyager’s Year in Hell was great too as a self-contained story.
And what did they do at the end of that arc? They never was'd it. So instead of one wasted episode you get a wasted season. So nope. Not a fan of that one either.
@@roystoyscomics1361 That wasn’t a wasted season, that was a two part episode. Yes it was undone but it was only within the realm of that self-contained story. I like it because the reset button is in context for this story and the ending is wrapped up very neatly in a bow. I also like how they approach the concept of directed temporal incursions designed specifically to bring about specific changes to the timeline. It’s something we hadn’t seen before. Plus the effects from Foundation/Eden were fantastic including a time ship that bore a great resemblance to B5.
Both WWE and Yesterday’s Enterprise essentially hit the same reset button in achieving the preferred outcome, so I don’t see how it is any different.
Since this is a 2 Parter I will leave my comments till the next episode. Saying that seeing your minds blow when you saw Lando sitting on the throne was great.
I have seen your reaction to the next one live so know what is coming, Just like Sinclair all I need to do is see it through.
“Dollar store Kosh”
😂😂😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣
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Temu Kosh
Wish Kosh.
A well written story about time travel can be quite good, especially if it ties up loose plot lines.
I was not ready for Gerard's cow impersonation 😂
You have no idea how much we have all been waiting for you guys to get to these two episodes.
After Michael's illness , Straczynski wanted to get him back on set to give Michael a true send off from the show, they rewrote this episode to make it all work. It was such a shock to discover what happened such a sad loss.
JMS did such a great job both in front and behind the camera
I'm gonna save some more for the next part; but it was really good to see Jeff again . . . And you can tell he has grown. Just like the rest of them for the past year-and-a-half. Damned good characterization by JMS, there.
My absolute FAVORITE episode of Babylon 5
Both episodes would've worked very well combined... as say, a movie release.
Even more than part 2?
I consider them one episode
@@joetengler9251 Yeah, I figured that was what you meant but I was interested in hearing you views if you considered this part better for some reason.
As a whole, they are amazing.
@@Karajorma Actually I do like part 2 more. The thing is better than half of this episode is spent setting up the events in part 2
The razing of Centauri Prime: did Vir deserve it? did the other, unseen, Centauri that opposed Londo e Refa's expansionist policies deserve it?
Not trying to be hollier than thou here, but let's keep an eye on the broad view.
The fact they feel that way shows how well Londo has been written to this point and the changes he had undergone.
@@rizon72 No doubt. Whatever happens later, Londo deserved a lot of grief. I understand where they are coming from, but one of the great things ofthis show was to shine a light on the point that no culture is monolithic, that no people are all guilty of the sins of their leaders. Human, centauri, narn or minbari - or vorlon, or even shadow - all of them had scumbags and nice people among their populations.
That's tre forthis show, andfor true life too.
It's worth mentioning that some of the most admirable people I know of were germans in WW 2 - the White Rose society, to be clear. They were germans that fought HItler, lost and went to their deaths with their heads high.
All I'm trying to say is to remind folks not to paint all people with the same brush.
lol the cow edit, I almost choked
So we are finally here I have been looking forward to this!
The Centauri part of Babylon 5 is the most interesting part, I think.
These are the episodes I posted wayyyy back when you started on this show, that i was waiting for you to get to with baited breath!
This...THIS RIGHT HERE!!! Been waiting a long time for this reaction!
You'll never hear "In Valen's Name..." quite the same after these. Some like it even better!
I hate time travel plots ... but this, this was amazing.
A real mind0blowing episode eh , with lots of fantastic reveals .
My dream message deliverer would appear before me as Keanu Reeves.
Looking forward to seeing all your minds blown!!
When the truth behind Swedish meatballs is revealed!
@@cookware9796 HAHA!! Glad it was those and not flarn.
16:11 😂😂😂 my thoughts exactly the first time I watched it!
One of the best three-parters in TV (counting Babylon Squared)
RIP Tim Chaote "Zath'ras" and "Za'thras" and all the other 7 Zathras
Oooooooh, this is gonna be good. The two parter is one of the coolest bits in the series imo.
And then the next episodes come and are even more so... Biiiig things. :D
This is an episode to revisit when the series ends, when I would have extensive comments.
CGI for B5 was all done on Commodore Amiga Desktop Computers. Pretty great for the equipment and that time!
Only at first. From the Lurkers' Guide:
"The B5 effects teams, both at Foundation and at NDI (Netter Digital Imaging, S4 onwards), use Lightwave 3D by NewTek and specialized software to design and render the visual effects. For the pilot, the effects were rendered on a network of Amiga computers; later, Foundation used 12 Pentium PCs and 5 DEC Alpha workstations for 3D rendering and design, and 3 Macintoshes for piecing together on-set computer displays. The NDI team uses a similar array of equipment"
And so, it begins..
My wife went and collected the entire series of figures for B5 except for the Shadow (too hard to find) and maybe a Garibaldi variant years ago for my Birthday. 🥰
Did you get the dolls too?
@@cruelangel8689 No. Not enough space...
Thankfully this is time travel that isnt changing things in the past as it always happenend the way it did.
"How far is 3000 kilometers" to put into perspective in space terms, it is roughly 375,000 kilometers from the surface of the Earth to the surface of the moon. Most television science fiction has a hard time with distances. In Star Trek they'll say something like "They're 5000 kilometers off the starboard bow" and then they show an exterior shot and the ships are just sitting next to each other.
Excellent point. Just to fill in the missing item for all concerned, multiply kilometers by 5, and divide by 8, to get the corresponding mileage (1875).
@@stuartwald2395But 5000k is 3106mi
@@TheRealMirCat The episode used 3000 for this story, and I was calculating from that.
My usual cheat for kilometers to miles estimate is divide by 5 multiply by 3 so 3000 km / 5 = 600 x 3 = roughly 1800 miles.
That’s why it bugs me in Wrath of Khan when Chekov says they’re 2000 km from Reliant and you can still see the damn ship in the distance. That’s the distance from NY to Florida.
3,000 km is spitting distance in space, showing JMS is a great writer... but has no sense of scale. Or doesn't care about it, which... meh, I'd rather have messed up numbers than modern "storytelling".
Keep the faith R Knights, you wont be dissapointed!
These two episodes are one wild ride
Zathras remains one of the greatest side characters ever created (by JMS) and performed (by Tim Choate). I still quote him, 30 years later.
Never been a huge fan of timey-wimey stuff, but a great sci-fi show can always make it work.
Lucy and Ethel take on the chocolate conveyor belt (aka the flow of time).
Very old Corey Feldman. LMAO, and yeah you’re right he does look a bit like him in the face.
If Sinclair stayed on the show his fiancee would have gone to Zahadum on a survey mission. I suspect he does the transformation earlier and plays a role restoring the Minbari cast system before going back with Babylon 4
Theres an interview on CZcams of JMS talking about O'Hare's illness. We couldn't recommend it before as spoilers that he came back, but since you can see he came back now, theres no more spoliers to prevent you watching the interview
We appreciate you guys for not spoiling it for us. We will check out the interview. Thanks
Welcome to part one of the excellence of Babylon 5! See you in part two!
i have been waiting for you to review this two part story. i can't wait to hear you comments.
See, I told you folks these two episodes were just a clip show using scenes from Season 1 ;)
So who had Ivonava in the Deadpool? Technically you get to see her die. Along with everyone else on BB5.
WAR WITHOUT END AMEN!
Famously, though i dun't know for sure, the cgi for this show was done on 20 toasted amiga computers.
I think this was only for season one, then processor power began to get more powerful.
Love this story. Yes, I think the show would have been very different if Sinclair stayed on. Well, maybe the ending of the series would have been different. Not sure if JMS ever talked about it.
Ray, rest assured, this is not a retcon to fix something. B4 being taken out of time has existed from the beginning in S1, it is now happening, is required for the future. All is three, all is one.
Not the Kosh Tostone. Wepaaaa 😭😭😭
One of the few times I'm okay with a time travel story.
Had O'Hare stayed on the show, WWE would've been part of the show's final batch of episodes. Personally, I think it panned out better this way (plus, not to speak ill of the dead, but IMO Bruce Boxleitner is a better show lead)
I hate time travel exactly for the same ..just curious Ray didn't spot it was planned from ep1....so absolutely no chance of lazy writing
🎶 I put myself back in the narrative 🎶 #Ham4B5
B5 Hype! :)
i think this version of kosh is the younger generation of vorlon they arent billions years old only millions,
Joe Straczinsky does not do lazy writing!
Thanks!
When it comes to the time travel in "Babylon 5", the whole main story was written. All 5 seasons. Only the main story involves time travel. The whole story itself is a story about providence and destiny. Straczynski set X amount of episodes each season to advance the story, the rest are filler episodes. If it seems like a "Star Trek" episodic story, it was and is just a filler.
So much theorizing and all of it wrong. =)
Keep watching, this is what good writing looks like.
Hello, check out a movie called, 1492: Conquest of Paradise.
Adventure/Drama (1992). It stars Gérard Depardieu, Siqourney Weaver, Armante Assante. It portrays a version of the travels to the New World by the Italian explorer Christopher Columbus and the effect this had on indigenous peoples.
Directed by Ridley Scott.
I think Zathras might be Midwestern.
Dudes did you guysfuck up by skipping the intro voiced by Ivanova, "...Last, best hope for peace, it failed."
Please release the next episode :)
How about that season 3?
Welcome to the other side of the equation.
I don't understand.....why did it end? 😂
Y'all don't like the dollar store Kosh ? Don't worry nobody does either!
Be bold! Watch "In the Baginnjng" next before part 2.
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Most people do not realize that all the FX / CGI for BABYLON 5 was done on PC computers.
Amigas actually, iirc.
@@alvincura Well it was actually "Amiga" and the Amiga is like all other computers of the time and are classified as "PC=Personal Computers" Most people do not know what an Amiga, Atari, Commodore or TI99 are. So just making it simple by saying PC. Being more movies were using things like the CRAY Super Computer to do VFX and CGI back then.
@@xaemosxone It's a bit more complicated than that. Yeah, the earlier seasons were done using Amigas - sort of. They weren't Amigas as you or I might think of them, not the kind you could buy off the shelf.
They used 24 custom built Amiga 2000s with built in Video Toasters - all daisy chained together into a huge 486 PC file server. The video toasters did most of the pixel pushing.
They used just this system for season 1: for season 2-3 they started to also use PC's and Dec Workstations. For seasons 4-5 they dropped the Amigas all together.
So when people say Babylon 5 was done on an Amiga they tend to think of the affordable thing in the corner people played games on but in actual fact it was a multi-Amiga based system, that cost around $100,000 (each Video Toaster alone cost around $3000).
@@Shoomer1988 I knew this, however as i said even so they were not like super computers lol They were modified, just like they did with some early apples and did many amazing things with. My point was to let them know a quick fact about the CGI and how the show was able to be made for a low cost unlike many other shows of the time or since.
@@xaemosxone If you want to call a $100,000 (about $200,000 today) custom-built rendering workstation the size of a fridge-freezer a PC then sure.
Then the title of this episode is simply humorous. "War Without End: Part One."
If it has parts, it has an end. 😀
I must be ahead of the curve, I worked it all out in the first episode. Makes me laugh watching people not getting it and I'm like 'its too easy, give me a harder one!' LOLOLL
star trek ruined the idea of time travel. babylon 5 - no! this is real science fiction! 👍👍👍