I actually did hear about this we are Captain Hook is actually trying to stop Peter and that he was one of the lost boys and the rest of his crew were probably like them, but they try their best to stop and free the children from this psychopath in the book which I think Peter actually deserves a terrible death being eaten by the crocodile not the movie version but the book version
Thank u I watched it I been subscribed for a long while I try not to miss any of ur vids that one must of slipped through the cracks it was really good tho thank u again
Fact Check: True! In the book, only Peter Pan doesn't grow up in Neverland and kills the Lost Boys when they get old enough. People don't believe me and accuse me of lying.
Yeah the people who accuse you of lying probably are the type of persons that never check the original book when they watch the adopted version just like me
Hey same! 🙃 Before filming this reel I made sure to review the book and highlight the specific lines that address Peter’s barbaric behavior in case anyone tries to be a contrarian. Some of these darker elements are never explicitly said but very heavily implied, so I think that’s where the confusion comes in.
Imagine if someone did a Captain Hook spin-off with a more book accurate Peter. Where Hook escaped Peter’s attempt at killing him and became a pirate to protect future kids manipulated by Peter from getting the same fate as his lost friends ( like the promised neverland but literally neverland)
I always say Peter is the villain of the story. Even in the Disney movie you can see a little of that sinister nature come through. He basically seduces Wendy into running away from home.
You definitely get glimpses of his awful nature. I’m so glad I’m not the only one who notices it. I always liked the movies and never hated the character but those moments always stuck out to me in a weird way. And made me really not like him.
I think the fanon is: He was Peter's best friend perhaps ome of the first Lost Boys. And he escaped his murder and any other Lost Boys that survive, become his crew.
There is a novel where Hook was the protagonist n was portrayed as Peter's first (or one of the first) lost boy. He became some sort of second in command to Peter n was practically the voice of reason calling out Peter's immaturity n reckless behavior as a leader that led to the deaths of friends cuz of the pointless battles he'd put them by fighting pirates or each other. Of course, Peter didn't give shit n only went to get more lost boys to replace the 'lost' (dead) boys, basically treating them like broken toys. Obviously this didn't sit right with Hook, who was ironically the more sympathetic one, acting as the parental figure of the gang which led to a lot of tension between the two boys. I haven't finish the full book but it was definitely an interesting premise n I can only imagine how crazy things must have been to lead to the canon story of Peter cutting off his hand n becoming the pirate captain. Definitely worth reading so I recommend. Edit: finished the book n I will say one thing. I HATE Peter Pan.
He "raised" himself and the boys he kidnapped all while pirates, mermaids, a crocodile, etc. tried to constantly kill him. Makes sense that he'd be unhinged and that the story would turn out like "Lord of the Flies" with fairy dust.
Yes. Tinker Bell was his only real friend in Neverland, & yet, he turned on her, for she treating Wendy in the exact same way, that Peter treated everybody else around him.
I remember in the movie "Hook" the kids were shown eating air food, and it wasnt until peter finally imagine did the food actually appear. Im beginning to realize that scene wasnt put there just for whimsical fun but almost like an actual easter egg and hommage to the original dark tale.
Tinkerbell was a little possessive of him in the book too. She wanted to be his fairy, but he kept telling her no. Your fairy is born from your first laugh as a baby and is the same gender as you. Peter is a boy and Tinkerbell is a girl.
She wasn't evil. She was a fairy. Just as with Peter, most people have a VERY mistaken idea of what fairies are like. They are not cute and sweet; they they're very different from humans, with different viewpoint and different morality.
I recommend Lost Boys, a book by Christina Henry. It shows the story from Hooks perspective who starts out as Peter Pans best friend but over time realises what a monster Peter is
@@izanagisora @@izanagisoraTraditional Fairy tales usually has a price paid upfront or on the back end. Little mermaid lost her voice for legs. Most 'fairy' fairy tales has the person perform an act of service before getting magical assistance or a reward. A lot of folktales revolve around maidens working for a year doing impossible tasks before getting blessed with a magic item or magic. Her evil sister/stepsister getting jealous and goes to do the same but is lazy with a bad work ethic and gets cursed instead. In the original Peter Pan, what makes him different is that's he was the first lost boy raised by fairies. It's why he doesn't age. He's basically immortal and can fly but the price is that he doesn't keep any of his memories. That was the price of living on Neverland and not growing up. On an unnecessary side not, Tinkerbell is implied to cuss worse than a sailor in the books which was funny. Most modern remakes of classic fairy tales, even Disney, take out the price bit because they think it makes the magic less fun instead of giving some gravity to the magic. It's what made OUAT so compelling, there was magic but it might cost you something dearly. Peter Pan in OUAT had and happily gave up his son to regain youth and have immortal with magic.
The idea of Peter Pan wasn't to be a whimsical coming of age fable but to be a story on the malevolence that comes with putting aside one's responsibility to become an adult. Given what people my age are like these days, they could definitely do with more pressure to grow up and not act like adult-children.
Dude wrote the book because his mother wished he had died AS A CHILD instead of his brother AND TOLD HIM SO. It's a book about a child that "never grows up" LIKE HIS DEAD BROTHER. Your definition of 'being an adult' is literally child abuse.
Well, this helps recast Hook as an anti-hero, leading a resistance against Pan, with most of his crew probably made up of the few survivors of Peter's "purge."
Actually, I'd argue that whether or not he kills The Lost Boys more up to interpretation. There is one line, which says that Peter "thins out the Lost Boys." That could mean a lot of different things from banishment to murder. Personally, I think it's a mixture of both. When he's in a foul mood, he banishes them. When he's in a cheerful mood, he kills them. Seems counterintuitive, but I think if Peter is in a foul mood he would more likely just want them out of his face and would be more cruel in a more manic one.
I think that’s a fair interpretation. The reason I lean towards him killing them more often than not is that he ruthlessly murdered hundreds of pirates without guilt because they were grown ups. There’s also a part of the book where Wendy and the Lost Boys tell Pan they’re going to leave and he starts rapidly huffing and puffing because “there’s a saying in Neverland that, every time you breathe, a grown up dies; and Peter was killing them off vindictively as possible.” So I don’t think Peter would hesitate to kill one of his former friends if they’re showing signs of being a grown up. Though you might be right that it could just depend on his mood. Maybe the ones he allows to escape join Hook and the pirates? 👀
@@JonSolo That's fair interpretation, too. Because he does come off as manic, selfish and unpredictable, so that would be totally in character for him. I'm surprised that there aren't more dark Peter Pan, because it seems like a gold mine for that sort of thing, and the only one that I'm aware of is the Once Upon a Time version. I also headcanon that the boys that got away from him just joined Hook and the other pirates.
There’s a Book where Peter is a villain. I don’t remember what it’s called, but basically Peter is the villain. The cover even depicts him with horns through hook's hook. Edit: It’s Name is Lost Boy by Christina Henry
Most people don't realize that nearly the entire Disney catalogs are stolen from much darker stories that were meant to teach morals and other life lessons.
I read the original and it doesn’t say he killed the lost boys, it says he gets rid of them but doesn’t explain how. I mean, I assumed the same, what else could that mean lol
Or maybe he returned the kids to the real world where they would be forced to grow up and be adults - literally the worst thing he can think of, and the one thing he avoids with a passion.
There's actually a book that talks about the horrible things Peter sometimes did to the boys told from the perspective of Captain Hook called Lost Boy by Christina Henry.
Sad facts: JM Barrie's older brother died in an accident that devastated his mother. As a result, Barrie spent much of his childhood trying to please her and developed psychogenic dwarfism. That is, he simply stopped growing and was only 4'10" tall. It's reported that his mother repeatedly begged him not to grow up because bad things would happen to him. Sound familiar?
"Once Upon A Time" the TV show came very close to this version of Peter Pan. Unlike Rumplestiltskin, The Evil Queen, and The Wicked Witch, he was not redeemed.
I think the idea was Peter actually was a good kid but was very horribly influenced by his dark side or shadow if you will and ended up going crazy because he just didn't want to grow up
You left out some of the darkest stuff!! Years later when peter visits Wendy as an old woman, she inquires about Tinkerbell, to which peter replies 'who?' because he has forgotten all about her.
Now the imaginary food scene in the Robin Williams version makes more sense! I always found it weird as a kid and didn't understand why they added it when it wasn't in the cartoon version.
I remember the older Peter played by the late (and great) Robin Williams exclaimed ‘lord of the flies’ when he was sorrounded and harassed by the lost boys.
I like how all original stories that Disney makes their movies from are more darker than what people believe. For example; in snow white and the seven dwarves the evil queen did not die falling to her death getting crushed by a giant boulder. Instead she was captured and during snow white and the princes wedding she had iron shoes attached to her feet and was forced to dance on hot coals until she dropped dead for entertainment
I'm reading the book for the first time right now. I knew about the darker sides to the story already but damn. One of these days I want to write a story that takes the darker sides of his character and make a real villain of him. Even in the Disney film I thought he came off as kinda cruel in the ways he tormented Hook. Oh yeah, and Tink is straight up a sociopath.
2 days agao i watched a vid also on Peter Pan that said that there is evidence that Peter Pan is a demon. He even goes on to say he believes Captin Hook and his crew were the OG lost boys who are taking revenge on Peter. Also this info and what I watched before this cant have me see Tinkerbell in the same way again. Since she would have known all of this. 😢😢😢
Now This Makes perfect Sense! I knew this because I read the Original Book of Peter Pan. It’s so Dark and Twisted. And It’s Not Ment for Children it’s so Rated R not PG!🤣
Peter Pan is first introduced in the Little White Bird novel. The first play by J.M. Barrie itself was called "Peter Pan; or, The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up". Among the titled for the Peter Pan theater play in J.M. Barrie consideration is the "The Great White Father" and "Peter Pan; or, The Boy Who Hated Mother" but the play producer dislike that titled so J.M. Barrie choose the Boy Who Couldn't Grow Up but the producer suggested to change "Couldn't" to "Wouldn't". Peter Pan himself is believed to be a combination of three characters, Pan the mischievious greek god of Woodland, Peter Llewelyn Davies, one of Davies kids he take care and have special relationship, and Barries own elder brother named David who died young and as a result heavily impacted his mothers who try to comfort herself by thinking her death child as a child that never grow up. Noted : According to what I found, "the Great White Father" is a titled used by European King and U.S. President when speaking with the Native and Indigenous. Basically, a combination of the term "Father" for God in Christianity and the Great Spirit in the Native believed to make themselves feel better. Apparently, in the original play, the Native American called Peter Pan as the Great White Father which lead to controversy of racist undertone.
J.M. Barrie two earlier "Tommy" novels, Sentimental Tommy (1896) and Tommy and Grizel (1900), were about a boy and young man who clings to childish fantasy with an unhappy endings. There's clearly a consistent theme about child who didn't want to grow up and have that tragic element. In case of Peter Pan, his psychopathic nature is a tragic result of being trap with a mind and body of a child but with the brain capability of an adult. Modern psychologist and literary researchers associated with children mental development.
When did that happen in the book? I read the entire thing from my schools library and all I picked up on was that Peter was keen on making sure they didn't leave the group or betray him.
You probably read the tonned down version specifically made for school with the book still being attribute as 100% J.M. Barrie writing. The "does something if he didn't fit the tree" was just Peter thinning the lost boy without any explanation what that mean.
@@sbeveloaf1120 Yeah. While the story could be interpreted as dark and has many questionable decisions by Peter Pan, It is also worth noting that Peter Pan still had his baby teeth and J.M. Barrie, the original writer, once commissioned a statue of Peter Pan in Kensington Garden and though he eventually feel disappointed due to the fact that the sculpture used different boy instead of the Llewelyn Davies, the statue itself is a boy not older than 8 years old. I want to believe the thinning is probably just a magic thing. J.M Barrie himself has a close relationship with all of the Llewelyn Davies and including Peter Llewelyn Davies though he eventually came to hate the Peter Pan due to the fact he's being associated with Peter Pan which ruined his childhood, there's evidence that they still had a somewhat close relationship unlike Christopher Robin and his father after Winnie the Pooh became famous. The only time they had a rift is when Peter decided to court a married woman with a son older than him, and he constantly lived with her when on military leave much to Barrie dissaprovement. Even Nico the youngest of Llewelyn Davies' siblings said that their Uncle Jim is not a pedophile, no anything sexual involved, and that he's really innocent when Nico Llewelyn Davies is interview as a fully grown adult man.
There's a fantastic novel called "The Child Thief" by Brom, which is set in the present day. Peter is still around kidnapping kids to bring to Neverland to fight in his war. It's a really insightful retelling of the story, and it pulls no punches either in characterization or plot. Highly reccommended.
I never got that impression as I remember him feeling sadness for his Mother and empathy for Maime. I remember him mourning infants that died and maintained their graves. Atleast in Kensington he is basically just a child. Sometimes selfish like a child. Sometimes arrogant like a child. But overall a well meaning self consumed small child. It is a morality play about children who although not evil have not been moulded yet to pure right and wrong. A tale of nature vs nurture and how both are important
Well in the movie the boys try to kill Wendy because they thought it was one of Peters games. In the movie they also play and live in the Hangmans tree (there actually is a strick and on Hooks card it is called Hangmans tree). There are other scenes but I'm just saying the movie is actually a good adaption where Peter isn't really the hero
We should always remember that this applies to these stories more often than not; the original versions were never meant to be warm, fuzzy good-feels stories of endearment They were meant to be cautionary tales, scaring children into behaving or warning them of the consequences of doing certain things like in the themes of the stories I’ll never forget how in a book of original fairy tales I read as a kid, there was one where a charismatic guy was just casually butchering his young wives and stringing them up in a locked room in his castle, blaming it on misfortune That page where his newest wife managed to open the door because she’s curious about what’s inside and you can see their dripping, dangling half-rotted corpses hanging around is burned into my memory
I remember my teacher read this another version of this book to the class and it said the lost boys kept the scalps of all the pirates they’ve killed on their belt
In my old Cinderella from the 60's the the first step sister cuts her heal of when trying on the glas shoe. The other one cut of her toes. With pictures.
He's also the child version of the grim reaper, the Darlings were dying, and the children are racist. But Tiger Lilly is a complete and total badass killer hellcat. I'd watch her movie.
Everyone has been asking for an R-rated book-faithful adaptation of Peter Pan, but instead Disney gave us Perdo Pansexual, Tink-quisha Bell-néné, Wonder Wendy, and the Lost Butches.
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I actually did hear about this we are Captain Hook is actually trying to stop Peter and that he was one of the lost boys and the rest of his crew were probably like them, but they try their best to stop and free the children from this psychopath in the book which I think Peter actually deserves a terrible death being eaten by the crocodile not the movie version but the book version
Thank u I watched it I been subscribed for a long while I try not to miss any of ur vids that one must of slipped through the cracks it was really good tho thank u again
I wonder of Peter is an allegory (example of?) for immaturity and the downfalls of not growing up?
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I hope the people who are making all the campy horror movies watch this and use it.
I think the dude that directed Winnie the Pooh Blood and Honey is actually making a Peter Pan horror film
They never do a good job bc they don’t respect the genre so it may be better to just imagine the movie in your head 😭
I'm waiting so hard my dark mystical Pied Piper movie. I can feel it in the breeze🍃
There's a book called The Child Thief by Brom that shows the dark whimsical side of Peter.
It would be cool to see captain hook beat the snot out of pete for once
Fact Check: True! In the book, only Peter Pan doesn't grow up in Neverland and kills the Lost Boys when they get old enough. People don't believe me and accuse me of lying.
Children's books used to be the darkest things ever.
Yeah the people who accuse you of lying probably are the type of persons that never check the original book when they watch the adopted version just like me
@@Da.Liar-Pig They are probably the type of people, who never fact check anything.
@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana indeed 😭
Hey same! 🙃 Before filming this reel I made sure to review the book and highlight the specific lines that address Peter’s barbaric behavior in case anyone tries to be a contrarian.
Some of these darker elements are never explicitly said but very heavily implied, so I think that’s where the confusion comes in.
I remember Once Upon a Time actually made Peter Pan a villain
That show slayed im ngl
@@xoxo_kaii_ I mean yea, the first few seasons were really good. I used to be my favorite show.
@@jamingrythm584 same. I wondered why they stopped airing the show in my country :
Same
GREAT show! Up until the Camelot season at least 😅
Imagine if someone did a Captain Hook spin-off with a more book accurate Peter. Where Hook escaped Peter’s attempt at killing him and became a pirate to protect future kids manipulated by Peter from getting the same fate as his lost friends ( like the promised neverland but literally neverland)
That's a real book read it once and peter was seriously f*":;ked up but so was the lost boys
Robin Williams starred in Hook about Captain Hook that chose to grow up
@@michaelwhitmire9015 What's the book called? I'd like to read it
@@fritosnlegoshai I love Hook! It's one of my favourite movies based off Peter Pan
@@michaelwhitmire9015 whats it called
I always say Peter is the villain of the story. Even in the Disney movie you can see a little of that sinister nature come through. He basically seduces Wendy into running away from home.
And then forces her to be their mother. Poor girl
You definitely get glimpses of his awful nature. I’m so glad I’m not the only one who notices it.
I always liked the movies and never hated the character but those moments always stuck out to me in a weird way. And made me really not like him.
True now that I think about it yeah you could always see that.
@@demarcusfaulkner7411 Read the original jm barrie version and what the fairies did to Pete and children 😯
Peter's a narcissist FOR SURE
So was hook the actual bad guy or a former lost boy/ family member getting revenge?
I think the fanon is: He was Peter's best friend perhaps ome of the first Lost Boys. And he escaped his murder and any other Lost Boys that survive, become his crew.
@@playfulpanthress Sure but what about the canon
@@DeathnoteBB I'm not familiar with canon ever stating as much. Perhaps someone else knows for sure.
There is a novel where Hook was the protagonist n was portrayed as Peter's first (or one of the first) lost boy. He became some sort of second in command to Peter n was practically the voice of reason calling out Peter's immaturity n reckless behavior as a leader that led to the deaths of friends cuz of the pointless battles he'd put them by fighting pirates or each other. Of course, Peter didn't give shit n only went to get more lost boys to replace the 'lost' (dead) boys, basically treating them like broken toys. Obviously this didn't sit right with Hook, who was ironically the more sympathetic one, acting as the parental figure of the gang which led to a lot of tension between the two boys.
I haven't finish the full book but it was definitely an interesting premise n I can only imagine how crazy things must have been to lead to the canon story of Peter cutting off his hand n becoming the pirate captain.
Definitely worth reading so I recommend.
Edit: finished the book n I will say one thing.
I HATE Peter Pan.
@@syrusangi8743 I think I found it! Captain James Hook and the Curse of Peter Pan by Jeremiah Kleckner?
He "raised" himself and the boys he kidnapped all while pirates, mermaids, a crocodile, etc. tried to constantly kill him. Makes sense that he'd be unhinged and that the story would turn out like "Lord of the Flies" with fairy dust.
Yes. Tinker Bell was his only real friend in Neverland, & yet, he turned on her, for she treating Wendy in the exact same way, that Peter treated everybody else around him.
I remember in the movie "Hook" the kids were shown eating air food, and it wasnt until peter finally imagine did the food actually appear. Im beginning to realize that scene wasnt put there just for whimsical fun but almost like an actual easter egg and hommage to the original dark tale.
Huh me too (I watched "Hook'.)
Wow your right n that’s y they where so trying for him to remember that so they can finally eat wow
Put that in the new live action. Watch head explode
They actually already did a live action of that original tale, it was adapted for half a season of Once upon A time.
😂
❤@@MistarZtv
Kinda waiting for dreamworks to make Peter Pan into a villain. If anybody can do it, it's dreamworks.
Oh definitely.
Hopefully in the upcoming Shrek 5! If they could make Jack Horner an entertaining villain they can do so with Peter!
Great idea for Shrek 5
@@zsan157 thank you!
Too bad Once Upon A Time got there first lol 😂
Ill never forget the infamous "Lets go capture some indians" in the og film also tinkerbell was so possessive over peter and straight up evil
Tinkerbell was a little possessive of him in the book too. She wanted to be his fairy, but he kept telling her no. Your fairy is born from your first laugh as a baby and is the same gender as you. Peter is a boy and Tinkerbell is a girl.
She wasn't evil. She was a fairy. Just as with Peter, most people have a VERY mistaken idea of what fairies are like. They are not cute and sweet; they they're very different from humans, with different viewpoint and different morality.
@@140kittykatI wonder whose fairy is Tinkerbell (I believe it’s Wendy, if what happened in Tink movies could be considered canon😅)
I recommend Lost Boys, a book by Christina Henry. It shows the story from Hooks perspective who starts out as Peter Pans best friend but over time realises what a monster Peter is
The peter pan in the once upon a time tv show, makes more sense now.
Yeah, OUAT kept closer to the original source material sometimes. Same with the idea that magic always costs you something.
@@crystalross7943 🤔
Care to explain what doe sit do with magic?
@@izanagisora @@izanagisoraTraditional Fairy tales usually has a price paid upfront or on the back end. Little mermaid lost her voice for legs. Most 'fairy' fairy tales has the person perform an act of service before getting magical assistance or a reward. A lot of folktales revolve around maidens working for a year doing impossible tasks before getting blessed with a magic item or magic. Her evil sister/stepsister getting jealous and goes to do the same but is lazy with a bad work ethic and gets cursed instead. In the original Peter Pan, what makes him different is that's he was the first lost boy raised by fairies. It's why he doesn't age. He's basically immortal and can fly but the price is that he doesn't keep any of his memories. That was the price of living on Neverland and not growing up. On an unnecessary side not, Tinkerbell is implied to cuss worse than a sailor in the books which was funny. Most modern remakes of classic fairy tales, even Disney, take out the price bit because they think it makes the magic less fun instead of giving some gravity to the magic. It's what made OUAT so compelling, there was magic but it might cost you something dearly. Peter Pan in OUAT had and happily gave up his son to regain youth and have immortal with magic.
Even rumplestilskin who is evil himself , was afraid of peter pan in once upon a time. This is saying alot.
The pirates are all lost boys who escaped Peter
That's one theory that I really like
This is why Peter Pan deserved the horror movie treatment instead of Winnie-The-Pooh.
So it should've been called Wendy's escape from wonderland
Neverland
Nebber Nebber Land.
WOW. That’s genuinely CREEPY. The original Peter Pan would’ve made a great horror villain.
The idea of Peter Pan wasn't to be a whimsical coming of age fable but to be a story on the malevolence that comes with putting aside one's responsibility to become an adult. Given what people my age are like these days, they could definitely do with more pressure to grow up and not act like adult-children.
Pick-me zoomer
@@thewitchcoven I'm married with children, nice try.
@@clearviewmoai Pick me zoomer
at least i try not to take into other private lives
Dude wrote the book because his mother wished he had died AS A CHILD instead of his brother AND TOLD HIM SO. It's a book about a child that "never grows up" LIKE HIS DEAD BROTHER.
Your definition of 'being an adult' is literally child abuse.
Well, this helps recast Hook as an anti-hero, leading a resistance against Pan, with most of his crew probably made up of the few survivors of Peter's "purge."
Actually, I'd argue that whether or not he kills The Lost Boys more up to interpretation. There is one line, which says that Peter "thins out the Lost Boys." That could mean a lot of different things from banishment to murder. Personally, I think it's a mixture of both. When he's in a foul mood, he banishes them. When he's in a cheerful mood, he kills them. Seems counterintuitive, but I think if Peter is in a foul mood he would more likely just want them out of his face and would be more cruel in a more manic one.
I think that’s a fair interpretation. The reason I lean towards him killing them more often than not is that he ruthlessly murdered hundreds of pirates without guilt because they were grown ups. There’s also a part of the book where Wendy and the Lost Boys tell Pan they’re going to leave and he starts rapidly huffing and puffing because “there’s a saying in Neverland that, every time you breathe, a grown up dies; and Peter was killing them off vindictively as possible.”
So I don’t think Peter would hesitate to kill one of his former friends if they’re showing signs of being a grown up. Though you might be right that it could just depend on his mood. Maybe the ones he allows to escape join Hook and the pirates? 👀
@@JonSolo That's fair interpretation, too. Because he does come off as manic, selfish and unpredictable, so that would be totally in character for him. I'm surprised that there aren't more dark Peter Pan, because it seems like a gold mine for that sort of thing, and the only one that I'm aware of is the Once Upon a Time version. I also headcanon that the boys that got away from him just joined Hook and the other pirates.
There’s a Book where Peter is a villain. I don’t remember what it’s called, but basically Peter is the villain. The cover even depicts him with horns through hook's hook.
Edit: It’s Name is Lost Boy by Christina Henry
This!!! You put into words very well what I too think! Couldn't have worded it better
@@JonSolo there was however also a scene where he was ready to die to save wendy, so i do think he has some loyalty in him, even if it’s very limited
Most people don't realize that nearly the entire Disney catalogs are stolen from much darker stories that were meant to teach morals and other life lessons.
Let’s also not forget the two full sets of teeth. Cause that alone wasn’t nightmare fuel enough.
What?
@@Passions5555 if you read the original book Peter Pan has 2 full sets of teeth in a row, like a shark. Cause his baby teeth never fell out.
@@blaznskais2048 Holy shit 😳 that just makes him freaky.
@@blaznskais2048 that is terrifying!!!
@@blaznskais2048oh my god
So Hook was more accurate than the Disney film yet hook flopped
That was and is my favorite movie now the scene where they eat with their imaginations strikes me differently
Not really, cause if Hook was more accurate then the lost boys wouldn’t have been happy to see Peter again
I read the original and it doesn’t say he killed the lost boys, it says he gets rid of them but doesn’t explain how. I mean, I assumed the same, what else could that mean lol
In a violent land what do you think happened to them? Eaten or killed.
@@lloydlego6088 one theory is the kids became pirates
Or maybe he returned the kids to the real world where they would be forced to grow up and be adults - literally the worst thing he can think of, and the one thing he avoids with a passion.
There's actually a book that talks about the horrible things Peter sometimes did to the boys told from the perspective of Captain Hook called Lost Boy by Christina Henry.
Peter Pan: Oh, I see you got little fuzz above your lip. Why don't we take a little stroll outside?
Love your videos, Jon! Been a fan for a long time!
Sad facts: JM Barrie's older brother died in an accident that devastated his mother. As a result, Barrie spent much of his childhood trying to please her and developed psychogenic dwarfism. That is, he simply stopped growing and was only 4'10" tall. It's reported that his mother repeatedly begged him not to grow up because bad things would happen to him. Sound familiar?
Why do I low-key want a show or cartoon depicting the original tale in all its glory?
"Once Upon A Time" the TV show came very close to this version of Peter Pan. Unlike Rumplestiltskin, The Evil Queen, and The Wicked Witch, he was not redeemed.
I think the idea was Peter actually was a good kid but was very horribly influenced by his dark side or shadow if you will and ended up going crazy because he just didn't want to grow up
You left out some of the darkest stuff!! Years later when peter visits Wendy as an old woman, she inquires about Tinkerbell, to which peter replies 'who?' because he has forgotten all about her.
In the tv show Once Upon a time, Peter Pan was actually shown this way. The Lost Boys were just as ruthless too.
Now the imaginary food scene in the Robin Williams version makes more sense! I always found it weird as a kid and didn't understand why they added it when it wasn't in the cartoon version.
ABC once upon a time Peter Pan was one of the Evil villains for the seasons
Let's not forget about the PAN part of that. The entity in which he is based off of. Or the fact that his shadow is literally a demon.
I remember the older Peter played by the late (and great) Robin Williams exclaimed ‘lord of the flies’ when he was sorrounded and harassed by the lost boys.
That’s one hell of a fat camp
I grew up in a Russian orphanage until 7 (92-99) n that description is a damn good summary.
I like how all original stories that Disney makes their movies from are more darker than what people believe. For example; in snow white and the seven dwarves the evil queen did not die falling to her death getting crushed by a giant boulder. Instead she was captured and during snow white and the princes wedding she had iron shoes attached to her feet and was forced to dance on hot coals until she dropped dead for entertainment
I'm reading the book for the first time right now. I knew about the darker sides to the story already but damn. One of these days I want to write a story that takes the darker sides of his character and make a real villain of him. Even in the Disney film I thought he came off as kinda cruel in the ways he tormented Hook. Oh yeah, and Tink is straight up a sociopath.
Too late. Once Upon A Time (2011) season three beat you to the punch.
@@BigGator5 Not gonna stop me from trying my own interpretation.
Wish you luck. I'd love to check it out if you ever decide to publish something like that.
C 123 ...Fair enough. Have fun!
Go in Peace and Walk with God. 😎 👍
@@BigGator5 Thanks. I might have to check out that show sometime to see what I can do differently.
Ounce Apon A Time had the most book accurate version of Peter Pan.
The most messed up thing is disney read tons of fucked up stories and decided this would be perfect to work with
And Captain Hook is actually the hero because he’s trying to stop Peter Pan from taking the kids away, and fight with Peter.
Captain Hook was an embittered man who had no problem attempting to kill Tigerlily, the Lost Boys, or the Darling children in order to get to Pan.
@@kiltman8018to be fair, most of them probably have tried to kill him before, also Peter sliced off his hand and fed it to the crocodile
If anyone wants to read a great take on Peter Pan and Hook, the book Lost Boy bt Christina Henry is fantastic.
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Peter Pan was originally written as a horror story.
The fairies in the original book weren't nice either. Disney really put a shiny family friendly spin on it.
2 days agao i watched a vid also on Peter Pan that said that there is evidence that Peter Pan is a demon. He even goes on to say he believes Captin Hook and his crew were the OG lost boys who are taking revenge on Peter. Also this info and what I watched before this cant have me see Tinkerbell in the same way again. Since she would have known all of this. 😢😢😢
So the killing of peter pan in the robot chicken skit is finally justified
He “thins them out” (from the book!) if they cannot fit into their spots in the tree anymore.
That would be an interesting horror thriller movie. Like how would Wendy help them, and then you got Hook's story too.
bro is literally the original leader of the friend group
Now This Makes perfect Sense! I knew this because I read the Original Book of Peter Pan. It’s so Dark and Twisted. And It’s Not Ment for Children it’s so Rated R not PG!🤣
I LOVE the book because it is really dark, but that darkness is written in a very light-hearted way that is disturbing and fantastical
The did the food thing in hook kinda
Oooooh so that's why they ate imaginary food in the movie(Hook), that colorful shit looked delicious to me ban then
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The original sounds less of a fairytale, and more like a story created for young minds for the identification of psychopaths.
Peter Pan is first introduced in the Little White Bird novel. The first play by J.M. Barrie itself was called "Peter Pan; or, The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up". Among the titled for the Peter Pan theater play in J.M. Barrie consideration is the "The Great White Father" and "Peter Pan; or, The Boy Who Hated Mother" but the play producer dislike that titled so J.M. Barrie choose the Boy Who Couldn't Grow Up but the producer suggested to change "Couldn't" to "Wouldn't". Peter Pan himself is believed to be a combination of three characters, Pan the mischievious greek god of Woodland, Peter Llewelyn Davies, one of Davies kids he take care and have special relationship, and Barries own elder brother named David who died young and as a result heavily impacted his mothers who try to comfort herself by thinking her death child as a child that never grow up.
Noted : According to what I found, "the Great White Father" is a titled used by European King and U.S. President when speaking with the Native and Indigenous. Basically, a combination of the term "Father" for God in Christianity and the Great Spirit in the Native believed to make themselves feel better. Apparently, in the original play, the Native American called Peter Pan as the Great White Father which lead to controversy of racist undertone.
J.M. Barrie two earlier "Tommy" novels, Sentimental Tommy (1896) and Tommy and Grizel (1900), were about a boy and young man who clings to childish fantasy with an unhappy endings. There's clearly a consistent theme about child who didn't want to grow up and have that tragic element. In case of Peter Pan, his psychopathic nature is a tragic result of being trap with a mind and body of a child but with the brain capability of an adult. Modern psychologist and literary researchers associated with children mental development.
When did that happen in the book?
I read the entire thing from my schools library and all I picked up on was that Peter was keen on making sure they didn't leave the group or betray him.
Lol like you school library would have all the books...
@@leoneagle8514 I read it in school in a single session.
You'll be surprised by how much a school library in a rural town has.
You probably read the tonned down version specifically made for school with the book still being attribute as 100% J.M. Barrie writing. The "does something if he didn't fit the tree" was just Peter thinning the lost boy without any explanation what that mean.
@@ghazalijaini I mean magic does exist in that universe.
It's not like they couldn't be thinned out by magical means.
@@sbeveloaf1120 Yeah. While the story could be interpreted as dark and has many questionable decisions by Peter Pan, It is also worth noting that Peter Pan still had his baby teeth and J.M. Barrie, the original writer, once commissioned a statue of Peter Pan in Kensington Garden and though he eventually feel disappointed due to the fact that the sculpture used different boy instead of the Llewelyn Davies, the statue itself is a boy not older than 8 years old. I want to believe the thinning is probably just a magic thing. J.M Barrie himself has a close relationship with all of the Llewelyn Davies and including Peter Llewelyn Davies though he eventually came to hate the Peter Pan due to the fact he's being associated with Peter Pan which ruined his childhood, there's evidence that they still had a somewhat close relationship unlike Christopher Robin and his father after Winnie the Pooh became famous. The only time they had a rift is when Peter decided to court a married woman with a son older than him, and he constantly lived with her when on military leave much to Barrie dissaprovement. Even Nico the youngest of Llewelyn Davies' siblings said that their Uncle Jim is not a pedophile, no anything sexual involved, and that he's really innocent when Nico Llewelyn Davies is interview as a fully grown adult man.
You know it kind of makes sense with the way the movie was because you never found out why the pirates were attacking Peter.
What if captain Hook was actually a lost boy that escaped Peter pan and that's the real reason why their enemies
Captain Hook was actually the good Guy.. he was trying to get them to. Grow up.. peter wanted them to Stay kids
I'm glad you do these, just because some people only watch shorts and you can bring them in thru these
I love how Once Upon a Time was closer to this book than the movie.
There's a fantastic novel called "The Child Thief" by Brom, which is set in the present day. Peter is still around kidnapping kids to bring to Neverland to fight in his war. It's a really insightful retelling of the story, and it pulls no punches either in characterization or plot. Highly reccommended.
I watched Once Upon a Time. I know that Peter is evil af.
Talking about how the Lost Boys (sometimes) wouldn't eat real food, and would eat imaginative food, was a scene in the movie "Hook".
This is giving me once upon a time Peter Pan vibs
I never got that impression as I remember him feeling sadness for his Mother and empathy for Maime. I remember him mourning infants that died and maintained their graves.
Atleast in Kensington he is basically just a child. Sometimes selfish like a child. Sometimes arrogant like a child. But overall a well meaning self consumed small child. It is a morality play about children who although not evil have not been moulded yet to pure right and wrong.
A tale of nature vs nurture and how both are important
^This! I wouldn't say he's psycho. He's just a child in the end.
Well in the movie the boys try to kill Wendy because they thought it was one of Peters games. In the movie they also play and live in the Hangmans tree (there actually is a strick and on Hooks card it is called Hangmans tree). There are other scenes but I'm just saying the movie is actually a good adaption where Peter isn't really the hero
We should always remember that this applies to these stories more often than not; the original versions were never meant to be warm, fuzzy good-feels stories of endearment
They were meant to be cautionary tales, scaring children into behaving or warning them of the consequences of doing certain things like in the themes of the stories
I’ll never forget how in a book of original fairy tales I read as a kid, there was one where a charismatic guy was just casually butchering his young wives and stringing them up in a locked room in his castle, blaming it on misfortune
That page where his newest wife managed to open the door because she’s curious about what’s inside and you can see their dripping, dangling half-rotted corpses hanging around is burned into my memory
Wasnt tha6t the story of bluebeard?
I remember my teacher read this another version of this book to the class and it said the lost boys kept the scalps of all the pirates they’ve killed on their belt
Yeah and Captain Hook was the good guy who used to be a lost boy who had had enough of his shizz
Love that theory! As far as I recall that ever being explicitly mentioned but it would make perfect sense
neverLAND
“Once upon a time” did a great job with Peter Pan I can’t lie.
Basically Jack from Lord of the Flies meets the magic kid from that Twilight Zone episode.
Oh wow! So that lumpy boy in the Disney version would have got the Dr. Miami treatment smh 😮
Now i really want to find the original Peter Pan and read it. Disney always waters down most stories and fairy tales.
The one death that struck with me as a kid was Scar’s death I mean he’s literally torn apart by the hyenas
I want to see a movie that follows the original book to the letter. It'd be an R rated horror movie and probably do quite well.
Tinker bell was also a demon Peter made a deal with to get his powers.
Holy Moly!!!!
In my old Cinderella from the 60's the the first step sister cuts her heal of when trying on the glas shoe.
The other one cut of her toes.
With pictures.
That means Hook was actually a lost boy who escaped from peter
He wasn't a psycho. He was a demon. Infinitely worse
Bangarang!!!
This is one they need to see the Origins of Peter pan
He's also the child version of the grim reaper, the Darlings were dying, and the children are racist. But Tiger Lilly is a complete and total badass killer hellcat. I'd watch her movie.
Basically, he's a fairy version of Stalin
Everyone has been asking for an R-rated book-faithful adaptation of Peter Pan,
but instead Disney gave us Perdo Pansexual, Tink-quisha Bell-néné, Wonder Wendy, and the Lost Butches.
Well that explains that strange banquet scene from Hook.
THANK YOU! Peter's my favourite psychopath
Well damn
Still better than the woke remake.
The what?
Pan and Wendy, I think he is talking about
This is why Peter Pan would make a good horror movie
I’d join captain hooks crew if I knew this at church camp all those years ago lol
That’s F’d up .
Still not as bad as Michael Jackson's Neverland... Lol
Not as bad as having no profile and making up lies
@@mrlofi333 hahah seriously? You act like I just made it up.. Get a sense of humor...
Lol
It's the reason why i love old children's books
Captain Hook was actually the good guy. He only ever tries to hurt Peter
I don’t know what it is. Peter pan always creeps me out.