Persona 3 Reload Controversy is Really BAD for ATLUS...
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- čas přidán 9. 05. 2024
- Let's talk about the various issues ATLUS is having right now with games like Persona 3 Reload, Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance and potentially Metaphor: ReFantazio.
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1:06 Princess Peach Showtime & Switch OLED Giveaway
1:18 Pesona 3 Reload DLC Controversy
5:40 Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance Problems
11:10 Possible Metaphor ReFantazio DLC Problems?
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Smt6 is not going to sell more than smt5 because people are going to be like "I'll just wait for the new edition "
this^
(after P5R.., I'm also waiting with P3R and all other following in P & SMT)
I don't think it matters. Enough people will buy the first release because of FOMO to make it worth it, then they can make even more through not just those that waited on the update release 4 years later, but also all the people that did buy the original that rebuy the updated version. It has clearly been working for them well for over a decade now.
There's enough idiots in the world that will keep double dipping at full price, so they'll just keep doing what they do, if not worse.
Nah I’m just not gonna buy a SlopStation 5 to play a couple Atlus games on
@@84C4I am idiots, the initial releases are generally worth it frankly, the rereleases don’t invalidate the original generally.
Day 1 DLC in any form should never have been normalized in this industry. If content is finished at launch, it shouldn't cost extra.
I would say yes. The expansion pass should have been included in the collector’s edition.
It is also an issue with Sega in general as seen with Infinite Greed.
Then i guess every company is greedy because every collector's edition is only base game and never includes DLC content or expansion pass..
@@emersonssbb Not always. The Collector’s edition of Resident Evil 2 did have the DLC.
@@knowledgeseeker4614 Resident Evil 2 isnt a long game though. Even the RE 2 Base games + DLC isnt even close the Persona 3 base game.
umm, If i remember right they actually stopped working on the DLC midway through development. They only restarted development after we complained about it.
eh i solved this by buying it second hand... no money for yakuza infinite wealth from me...
being greedy is a game two can plaìy
Glad Unicorn Overlord is an insane game right out the box
That is an instant classic. Its a shame such games take a special high degree of talent to pull off right. Because these types of games when done correctly (Ogre Battle, Shining Force 1-3, Dark Wizard, Tactics Ogre, ect) always become cult classics. Remembered LONG after "hits" of their release years have been forgotten.
That game is so good I forgot ff7 rebirth exist
@@keonhobgood1551 not that good
@palossandenthusiast6492 Agreed. Less really, since its more like some weird spin off.
Unicorn Overlord though? Thats going to be a collectors item and a classic even decades from now. And after finishing it twice and on my third run, I say it IS that good. Its only flaw is that there isnt more of it.
Mashers won't like it though....You have to actually think to progress in it, after all....
@palossandenthusiast6492 it is though, don't forget that those cinematics don't cost nothing, and they are beautiful, I easily sinked in 40 hours of my life into ff7rebirth and it was all worth it
unicorn overlord is more of a slowburn
Atlus should be careful with all these re releases and dlc farming. Honestly it's almost guaranteed now that their games aren't worth buying at launch anymore. I just knew SMT5 would get a definitive version and I just know Metaphor will, too. So why waste time and money on the original games? Holy hell
metaphor MIGHT. it depends on how well it sells. I'm sure they have plans, but either way i can wait. which amusingly enough may contribute to them not finishing an enhanced version
I bought the $250 + Aigis Edition and it does feel pretty crazy that I still have to buy the DLC for The Answer
With all due respect, if you expected all future DLC with the Aigis edition you fooled yourself. They were pretty clear in the advertisement that it included all currently, key word there, released DLC.
@@virom4 dude… $250 plus taxes man… you’re gonna tell me Atlus couldn’t have said: “those who bought the Aigis collector’s edition will automatically get a voucher for all future season passes”
@@BenRiley83 I mean I canceled my copy of the collectors edition cause I didn’t think it was worth it. To play devils advocate, how would Atlus really know who did and didn’t buy the collectors edition? I get how you feel dude. But unless it is stated from the get go you shouldn’t expect to be covered for all future DLC on a collectors edition.
@@virom4 🤔 that’s a good point
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With Persona 5 I realized despite how good they may be to never buy the 1st release of an Atlus RPG
As much as I’m disappointed by Atlus charging $35 for an The Answer Epilogue (or Episode Aigis as its now known) and 2 BGM Packs (one of them containing VR costumes), what disappoints me the most is that they’ll inevitably re-release P3RE with all the DLC (Expansion Pass, Aigis Edition etc.) on the Disc.
Why is it disappointing? It's good that you'd have possibility to buy this on disc. It's just better to wait.
@@NightshroudTCG2400 I also don't understand. There were plenty of snarky comments about Atlus rereleasing the game with The Answer, so if people have figured out how all that works, they can always wait for the ultimate release.
@@NuiYabuko they confirmed that p3 will have no more re releases
@@femboygodblankkcu284They said the same thing with OG Persona 4 and voila 4 years later we got Golden for the Vita.
I don't trust a single word out of this company. None.
Midori already said P3R will be released on the switch 2, it will definitely have a bundle with the answer which is just bruh
I don’t care for DLC in general. But I’ll do what I always do, wait a few years and get it dirt cheap in some sort of “ultimate bundle” crap.
The only thing I don't like about Vengeance (Aside from Day 1 DLC...) is just the pricing for the switch version.
I really wanna get the game physically, but don't want to pay full price for it again.
Then wait for a sale. Atlus games become really cheap after a while.
And if you want a physical copy, you might even get lucky and find it cheaper earlier, though I doubt all too many copies will get made, so that could always backfire. I remember getting a physical copy of TMS for Wii U for 20.
@@NuiYabuko
Do those Atlus sales also apply to physical copies too?
I love P3R but the dlc prices are insane 💀
Free on Game Pass. Don't want to pay $35, just own an Xbox.
@@blackoutking8714 nah I’d rather own my games
@@dls1960 You get to keep the expansion pass after the subscription ends. It's not like P3 reload where it will eventually leave gamepass.
@@xxsay_bye_byexx1824 well I don’t have an Xbox so I’ll just wait till it drops or a sale
I mean unless you plan on playing the game multiple times over a year or 2 gamepass is the way to go. By the time I’m ready to actually purchase the complete package it’ll be cheaper.
Atlas is owned by Sega. Sega is locking NG+ behind a pay wall in Like A Dragon. I don't think Sega cares if people complain. We are still consuming their content.
I'm very excited for Metaphor but this got me thinking if I should wait for the complete edition years later
It will be harder for Atlus to consider that since Metaphor is an new I.P but who knows.
At some point, you as a consumer should exercise your criticism with action. Don't reward "bad practices" and assume the higher skew should include the offerings.
Exactly that. Plenty of people will complain online then fork over the money anyway making any complaints meaningless.
Its insane that they are selling us old dlc for 35 dollars when it should have been included with the base game let alone the more expensive versions and lets be honest people only want it for the answer.
Why would they buy it for something they knew wasn't going to be included. Yeah it's being added NOW but back then we thought it wasn't going to be added. Also thank Sega. They're the ones who set the fight year deadline
Bruh, The Answer is not even that good to begin with, let alone worth its asking price for what it did back then and will probably be the EXACT same when it comes out later this year: complete character assassination
They LITERALLY destroyed ALL character development from the base game for some goddamn reason for this ''epilogue'' to even exist in the first place
Why are people getting suckered into buying this crappy episode for P3 Reload is something only the Gaming Gods will ever figure out
The Answer to this is quite simple: DO NOT BUY THAT CRAPPY EXPANSION ONCE IT COMES OUT
We need to let ATLUS, or more accurately SEGA, know they need to stop with this post-launch bullshit and just give us FULL GAMES at launch like everyone else SHOULD do to begin with
Also, they REALLY need to stop lying to us about the ''new content for our game is just too much to add as an upgrade pack for the vanilla version'' bullshit they've started practicing since P4 Royal
When P4 Royal first came out on PS4, they LITERALLY said the new additions won't be ''compatible'' with the vanilla version of P4... on a CONSOLE that can not only play both versions, but can UPGRADE the vanilla version via, what's it called again?, oh yes: THE OCCASIONAL GAME PATCHES that fixes most performance issues and EVEN retool games to make post-launch content COMPATIBLE AF
Pretty sure this scummy practice will also be used for Metaphor AND SMT 5 Vengeance, especially the latter when they'll force us early SMT 5 adopters to buy the game again on Switch because of the exact same bullshit reason I just listed above
@@connorharnage6697the answer remake was done when 3 reload released which is the funny part. mfs just scummy
@@Ahphla There's no real evidence for that
Greed is such a terrible sin..
I wasn't aware that P3R's was ever getting the Aegis post story content & which I'm glad we're getting it, I still think $35 is a bit overpriced. The other DLC was also bad enough if you add them together too.
And yes, the Expansion Pass should've been included in the CE. Or at least the EX bgms & the Velvet costume.
Are you freaking kidding me? I bought the kind of ridiculously high priced Aigis collectors edition and the Aigis dlc, didnt come with the AIGIS special edition?
Welcome to atlus community
@@rudyca1692 Ive been playing Atlus games since the 90's, though many were probably published and/or distributed by them. But never really came across any of this during the DS&3DS
They never stated DLC would be included, so why would you get it? Though I also don't understand paying that amount of money for a special edition.
@@NuiYabukoAddiction, literally. But yeah I was never really expecting it and wasnt following the Persona 3 reload much due to doubts, but it seems like it could've worked out really well as a redeem code or something for supporting the distribution of premium product. It truly is an addiction that can get really bad when it comes to physical collecting, I just saw the Best Buy had a bunch and bought on impulse
If you are willing to shell out $250 for a “collector’s edition”, but draw the line at a $30 DLC something’s not right.
It says Aigis will be the final chapter but is it confirmed to be the last content dlc or is it just one of a set etc?
Now that I understand Atlus's game, I'll definitely hold of buy any more special edition versions of games till the second release. SMT Vengeance makes me wish I didn't get the special edition of the regular SMT V. It kind of devalues it.
I will never buy an atlas game on release because 2 years later you get an improved version
I am also in this boat from now on. Their greed is too much.
Pre existing content once again being Paid DLC for a 1:1 remake of a game that’s from 2006 is insane. The game should be the complete version out of the box.
It's not a 1:1 remake
@@SuperMandibleclaw There are new QOL features, social links etc but nothing that fundamentally changes the game
The only complaint I have about SMT5 Vengeance is that the PS4 version is digital only.
XBOX Series got physical version when maybe 5 people buy this game, but PS4 version don't have it - Atlus & Sega moment
Get on pc cheaper anyways
If you don't like their practices, don't buy their games.
Sadly, greed is everywhere and in a lot of industries not just gaming but boycotting is the only option
Shameless cash grab and a really bad look. Listen, Atlus games are generally great. Given the garbage that many publishers put out, they are truly one of the industry greats. But this is just anti-consumer BS. They already had the P3R DLC completed when they released the base game. And everything they said about wanting to replicate the original was a BS lie. You'd think that they would understand how poorly this would be received... When you lose your goodwill with your customers, its really hard to win it back. Just ask Creative Assembly. Hell, ask Blizzard (a company i once thought could do no wrong that now officially can do no right). Atlus and Sega are on shaky ground here...
Nothing about this is anti-consumer.
How was it a lie? That was their original intent because that's all they could afford to do?
I like their games but I think I may wait two to three years before buying in the future. Either release the full game with all content initially a couple years later or reduce the price of the additional content when available. There is no way the additional Vengeance story line was only thought about after the game was completed and same with Royal or Golden or The Answer. It’s kinda a scummy business practice tbh
Plenty of devs online share how all that works. There likely wouldn't be an option where all content would be released in one package. DLC usually seems to get separate budgets, at times even separate teams.
@@NuiYabuko if it’s additional DLC then fine, that was an option I gave. Although without citing something specific I don’t see how delaying (or just longer dev time from the start) also wouldn’t be viable. Regardless, when it comes to SMT or Persona I guess the strategy is to wait for the better version a couple years later
@@reeseseater12 While I do agree more dev time would be good, that's sadly in Sega's hands not Atlus and delays can really impact progress on the game so I'd never suggest them unless the game is in an incredibly unfinished state
@@connorharnage6697 well I believe I did later say (and maybe I should say this is preferable) plan for a longer dev time. These expansions come like 2 years after the initial release, plan for that
For me, to this point when it comes with Persona or SMT I’d just rather wait till theres a “complete” version of the game if I buy it now then a newer version comes out, I’ll see myself as an idiot.
The new story content in SMTV Vengence is separate tho?
SMT V Vengeance it's like two games in one. You have vanila version + enchanted edition with new story (you can choose what version of game you want to play in begining of game), which is similar to SMT Devil Survivor 2 Record Breaker: Septirion (vanila DS2) and Triangulum route (Record Breaker).
@@nr2676 I know that’s what I’m saying. OJ was going on how you gotta play like half the game to get to the new stuff
@@RaspyCh I guess the beginning will be the same, meaning how protag became a Nahobino. The new character seems to appear in the very beginning section of the game, so the claim that you have to play half the game definitely seems ridiculous.
@@nr2676 Was that confirmed? That's good to know.
I mean Capcom does the same thing, how many versions of Street Fighter do we have?
One reason why I’m not picking this game up and waiting for a sale is that they didn’t include the changes that they put on the FES version. So most likely, there will be another version of P3 with everything on it.
My thing is I don't care about the extra stuff like P5 Royale, P4 Golden, etc. For me, whatever version of Persona I get is the ONLY version that exists for me. I have great fun with the vanilla versions.
That's great then. I've held off on getting Radiant Historia for the 3DS, since I haven't even played the DS version I own.
Weird that the Aigis edition doesn't have episode Aigis.
I sorta don't get why there need to be DLC for a remaster at all?
I play on PC and bought the $100 edition but i didn’t pay $100 it was like $80 for a preorder cdkey
We ALL knew “The Answer” was coming in some form of DLC as soon as they said it wasn’t included in the release. I’m pretty sure that the FeMC Route will be coming in some shape eventually also. As for “SMT V: Vengeance”, all I heard pretty much every reviewer say & many people on the message boards is that they liked the game, but wish it was on more powerful hardware. Now, Atlus definitely had some kind of exclusivity deal with Nintendo. Now they are finally giving us what we asked for, plus some improvements it seems. The only thing I disagree with is that owners of the vanilla version on Switch should be able to get “Vengeance” as DLC or something. Or pay a smaller amount to upgrade. I’m not always happy with Atlus’ DLC practices, but I really like the company and realize that they’re not that big. And I don’t mind supporting a company that’s been consistently delivering high quality games and also not abandoning the turn-based format.
SMT Vengeance gives you a lot to justify it’s price. You get a separate campaign mode rumored to add 60-80 more hours as well as adding in the fiend battles and other dlc.
It’s odd how the same company that pulled this stunt with P3R is going above and beyond with SMTV
I’m mad that I bought SMT V + DLC right before they announced Vengeance. Now I feel like playing it would be a waste of time if a better version is coming out in a few months.
The thing is, I played through SMTV in 2021. I loved that game, it was one of my GOTYs. So now I can focus on the new content without the need to play through the base game.
I started playing 5 after having it since launch because vengeance got announced. Not sure if I will get vengeance or leave it.
I will play SMTVV OG route first, since they already confirmed even that route was improved and I want to see those changes, then the new route after I got all 4 OG endings. I'm in no rush
I’ll be waiting until the full package comes out at half price or better. With my backlog there is no rush.
I had SMT V since 2021 and once they announced vengeance I was like “s**t I am going to have to get around to playing the base game now since I better version is coming out”
I don’t know if I want to buy it again not sure
Has been a problem for a long time really. There is no excuse anymore since digital and online updates are a thing. The company know you will all fanboy and simp for it, so they will for sure milk the absolute living fck of it.
Where were people when they were pushing people to buy SMTV, claiming it's a better option than BDSP? Everyone seemed to completely gloss over the Day 1 DLC SMTV got. The DLC habits of Atlus only became an issue when Soul Hackers 2 got DLC.
SMTV was more fun to play and was a fresh game as opposed to the lazy "remake" that was BDSP. There's no winning in that even if you take into account the stupid Day One DLC and the game's story being pretty bare bones (Pokemon's story is already barebones so that's already a moot point.
@@phillemon7664 Oh, f*** off with the lazy argument.
You're also arguing a point I didn't even make. My comment wasn't about the base games, but about DLC habits. GF got all sorts of accusations when they announced DLC for SwSh after the game's release, but Atlus could release Day 1 DLC for SMTV without so much as a peep.
@@NuiYabukoIt's fairly easy to tell why, for starters BDSP hace sold just by themselves more than the whole Megami Tensei Franchise and Persona, individually.
That by itsef makes the argument fell apart, since the resources and scope of both games was bastly different, being BDSP little more than a small Game budget wise, while SMT V was a massive proyect from Atlus.
On the other hand, since the DLC where just 3 individual demons, and one Super Boss, instead of a story like the one from SH2, not much people felt it as something important (it is a bad practice, but barely important content wise, less than 1% of the demon pool).
@@leixalkvinay2729 Why are you all focusing on BDSP? All the talk happened before both games even released. My comment is not about the subjective quality of both games. And again, GF was criticised for announcing SwSh DLC AFTER the game released, but there were crickets in SMTV's case. Its DLC is also essentially pay-to-win, since some of the best demons are hidden behind that content, not to mention Mitama, I think.
You also don't know the budgets of either game, because we're not privy to that information.
@@NuiYabuko Why? You we're the one who mentioned BDSP in your comment.
No one besides you said it.
And my point is that Game Freak literally has the biggest franchise in the world, almost any game since the 90's has sold the same as the whole MegamiTensei Series in over 30 years.
Meanning that the amount of resources are bastly different betwen both franchises, and GF barely makes good use of them, unlike Atlus, since even if SMT V is getting an enhaced re-realese, the base same is still a great monster collector, fun to play and puts to shame any switch Pokemon game graphically speaking, and unlike some new Pokémon games, SMT V never crashed, had a more stable performance, and didn't had an erasing progress glitch.
Vengeance has gotten a whole new router with it's own endings, and the dlc are just two demons, and I bet they would be good, but nothing game breaking, since they have a phisical skills and a healing one.
The DLC of SMT V is unnecesary, but in any way is pay to win, since the only relevant demon is Cleopatra to put -2 defense and that's it, Mephisto only has a cool unique skill, and Artemisa only has a random multi hit, a skill that gets outclased by severe phisical skills or Hasou Tobi, a Unique skill of the base game. The only op skills are the ones You get from Demi Fiend, but if you have beaten DF then it doesn't matter since you have already done the hardest Boss in the game and anything else will be easy.
The DLC demons aren't like exclusive version legendaries, they aren't game breaking in any way.
The Mitamas aren't pay to win either, rather pay to not play, since you can broke the progression since the first area by overleveling and destroy any interesting challenge.
Let's not forget that Mitamas already exist in the base game, and also statues that level up all your demons.
SMT V is a flawed game, but it still is a solid and fun monster collector, whose DLC practices, in realtion to other Atlus IPs was barely relevant, unlike the DLC personas in P5R that could literally trivialice any challenge in the game.
And had a súper hard boss fight, something only hardcore players are interested in, unlike story DLC like Soul Hackers.
That being said, if Megaten had the same relevance as Pokemon or even Persona, more people would be upset, but since it is a niche franchise more people are fine by letting some mistakes go by, but when SMT gets more popular, more people would find the predatory practices of Atlus problematic, since it shouldn't have economic problems, similar to what happened with P3R and it's 35 season pass.
I love Atlus but it really looks like you should not buy their stuff on day one unless you just like paying multiple times as they release new content/re-releases.
I think people will vote with their money. My guess is most will wait for a sale. They can charge whatever they want, it's up to us to let them know if the price is right.
This is what I’m doing. I’m not paying more than $20. I can wait, I still have BG3 to get through lol
For me atlus always delivers unlike most developers (*looking at SSKTJL by rocksteady*) even with the re-release your getting massive improvements to everything basically making a new game gameplay wise also atlus this year has been developing three games this year 1: p3 2: smt5 vengeance 3: metaphor and that is pretty awesome but also the,reason i can see why the answer wasn't already included other than maybe wanting to improve on some things before releasing in September me im always going to support atlus cause at least they put out massive bangers with no micro transactions pay to win bs
That's one hella big "Nope" for me. $70 USD for base game before DLCs and it's not even truly definitive experience of what the Persona 3 games were back in the day. I still have not bought P3 Reload. DLC pricing is pretty funny looking at it as a non-buyer, especially those guys that purchased the more expensive versions of the BASE GAME.
I can wait or not bother at all. I didn't even get Persona 5 until very recently. I play on PC and was irked Atlus made P5 for consoles only back in 2016/2017. I sure as hell wasn't going to buy a console for the sake of a game. So I waited until P5 Royal hit on PC (2022) to finally get it, and did so on the cheap.
If Atlus ever makes a *truly definitive* and modern Persona 3 release, I'll be interested. Until then, I can wait like I did for P5 or not bother if Atlus never budges. If they never do, then "oh well." I still have fond memories of what Persona 3 thru P3P did for me many years ago.
I honestly don’t see the issue here that fans have to call Atlus out specifically over it. Including season pass dlc in collectors editions is not at all a common practice in the industry, in fact it very rarely happens. This game was marketed as being a faithful remake of Persona 3, not FES, not Portable. The fact that we are getting The Answer at all is something I’m grateful for as it was confirmed this was scrapped early on in development. If this was just an Atlus thing I could see the issue, but I’ve purchased my fair share of collectors editions and, while I’m aware there are some that have included a season pass, none of the ones I bought have. I’m just glad this is being released as dlc and not another having to buy the entire game over again scenario. I’m honestly more upset over SMT V then this, especially when i can’t find any details to confirm if the original game’s path has any meaningful changes or if the new content is exclusively in the new path
One counterpoint to this discourse, persona 3 FES released with the answer yes, however people forget FES is a rerelease and not the first release, granted basically nobody has played base Persona 3 PS2. However for somebody who would have played base Persona 3 at $50 would have in the west then had to buy FES for an additional $50. The answer is not a part of Persona 3 as anything BUT an add on. You would have payed an equivalent in yen to $50 and $30 for the game and the answer disc in Japan as well, and that is still more money adjusted for inflation. Granted it not being in the Digital Deluxe is annoying, but it wasn’t advertised or announced then.
Also Atlus does kinda make it clear when a game is or isn’t being rereleased. For starters the current leaks for Persona 6 seem to influence it not getting an enhanced version as it is seemingly in line with Sega’s new approach to content with having a full game at release then multiple expansions after the fact.
I dunno whos the responsible for ATLUS bad business but I'm tired of abusive prices (I live in third world) n nonsensical releases
Honestly I don't know who to believe in this situation, people would'nt stop bitching about The Answer for months leading up to Persona 3 Reload and now their getting it but still not happy. People are claiming that Atlus always had this dlc completed but that makes no sense, if they truly had it finished why would they be waiting until September to release it. Game Development ain't easy and no one should be accusing them of lying when whiny youtubers can't back that up. I'm not saying a company is incapable of being scummy however it seems to me as a newcomer to all this people tend to overreact to any bit of DLC Atlus does. Frankly it's just coming across to me like people are upset stuff isn't free. If people manage their money wisely by the time September comes 35 dollars is not a big deal.
I will give people that the 70 dollar price tag is bullcrap and it needs to stop but Atlus is not the only one doing it right now. It's a more industry wide problem so screaming and yelling at Atlus alone isn't going to change anything. If you have time to whine you have time to spend your energy toward getting that 70 dollar price tag addressed. It sucks but going on a tirade and acting like two year olds won't solve it. Atlus can stand to change how they do dlc but from what I've seen people can also stand to not blow up so much they look like lunatics.
I'll just wait for next switch ver. With all dlc bundles...i don't really like the extra epilogue story anyways(assuming they don't change it)and for me..p3 the game ends when the protagonist sleep on rooftops.
And worst of all it's censored, while adding current year language.
What i did with Atlus is that i got the p5royal years later in a discount price at 30us just base Game + extra semester since i don't care about the extra music or tracks, the others i got it on gamepass and if they reléase the persona 6 i will wait for the final versión that will include the DLC since they had been doing the relaunch instad of an upgrade since long time ago.
TLDR don't Buy their games the first years wait for the "royal" versión and then wait for it to be discount it at aroune 20/30 that way your wallet will be happy
Postdata the versión of total i got was the ps4 since when they reléase the ps5 versión they did not offer a free upgrade like horizon/GOD of war Ragnarok, is bs wait for a discount and the final versión for Atlus games, don't Buy the music and skins since they are not worth it
I think the reason why they're being so stingy talking about the digital version of Vengeance on Switch and why it's not available for pre-order is because they're trying to figure out how to implement the new content as a patch or dlc but won't talk about it because they want to rake in sales on the new version of the game first. Not the greatest PR tactic but it is Atlus MO.
Finally, people are starting to notice. Why did not one notice when they started it with the original Persona 3, then Persona 4, and then Persona 5 and now SMT V. I've gotten really tired with their crap
I don't mind about Answer being dlc but what crazy is that you can't buy it seperately.
This is only a problem if the DLC was developed and completed when the game launched. Having a roadmap that tells what is coming should be a good thing and not something to get upset about. The first two DLCs don't have any real content, in my opinion, so I would skip them, if you don't like the cost. The third one is seven months out from when the game released, which seems fine to me, but I'm new to the Atlus scene.
Is this an actually controversy, or just things we don't like?
Okay so because it's a remake I actually don't mind adding the fes version as dlc however the more expensive versions of the game not including the expansion pass is kinda sus. Also I'm okay with rebuying smt5 vengeance... and yes I'm well aware I'm part of the problem lol. But again it feels more like a remake then a re-release so I don't really care
You aren't "part of the problem." You can spend your money how you want, essentially. There're worse things than buying a rerelease of a game. lol
My only hope for Smt 5 Vengeance is that denuvon doesn't hurt the performance and that it runs amazing on pc I don't mind rebuying it.
the dlc is 30 plus hours which is just a dollar an hour, what's soo controversial about that ??
I would pay $35 if it took til December for episode aigis AND it included FeMC. I know atlus listens to the fans, so I hope they put the work in.
Same with Persona 5 royal pS5 you couldn’t transfer your PS 4 save
I don't think Sega/Atlus care about how much consumers complain as long as they consume. I don't think this is hurting their sales at all rn. The people that wait just don't make up for the number of people that buy both versions. If anything I think it'll just get worse, if you've been paying attention to Sega's other releases.
Ever since we went from the era of complete game releases to the era of patches and DLC with more of a concentration of live service games, we the consumers have been getting fleeced by these mega gaming companies left and right. I know Ive been guilty of goving in to their hype on too many occasions.That is why the money they make now is astronomical compared to the 80s and 90s. And they will keep reaching and exploiting as long as we continue to put our money into it.
For me, I am deciding to become a patient gamer and just wait it out instead of pre-ordering and buying early. There are so many games out nowadays to choose from that are older, complete, and less expensive. Being in a rush to buy the new games is setting the consumer back in today's gaming climate.
All those games are complete though.
Putting this part from the end of the comment at the top so people don't come to any conclusions: Hopefully people realize some day soon that they could just NOT BUY THE GAMES AND DLCs and live their lives if these games just make them so unhappy. Try it, you'll be much happier. I'll be trying it too if they ever make me unhappy.
Atlus landed themselves in this situation of a nonstop flak cycle even if it's disturbed by them having dark occult endings in their games without offsetting them with pure practices in the real world. A little fun fact: when Atlus was developing SMTI and II they would bring in a priest and would have the priest bless their studio because they felt there was a subtle negative energy to what they were doing. This isn't me saying this, this was Larrue I believe that reported on this little fact. I feel like they've stopped doing this practice around the SMT III vanilla pre-Nocturne Maniax days when they got a lot of silly flak for them putting out a "bare bones" game (doesn't that sound familiar), that then inspired them to "redo" SMTIII and that's when Nocturne was born and fans ended up loving it. The urge to rerelease everything came after with Persona 3.
Personally Megami Tensei is my favorite video game franchise of all time but subconsciously people gravitate negatively to it more than other games and companies that use the same if not worse business practices (LAD: IW's practices were abysmal but the negative outcry was overshadowed by the Atlus fan reaction to the abysmal Answer "Season Pass" practices). They have unfortunately done this to themselves and not in the way that many people might think. Maybe they'll learn to dial it down and offset their actions with keeping SEGA in check and maybe even do some superficial good work like setting up charities.
Hell, even Atlus got way more flak for not hiring Vic Mignogna for P3RE's cast even though plenty of other companies have already done that exact same move in far more discriminatory ways. It gets even worse when you realize people keep bringing up miniscule plot details of Persona 4 as if they're crimes against humanity for no reason just because of the sake of negativity. Talk about a fandom that doesn't understand the games they play. A whole lot of Mitsuos, Kamoshidas and Adachis that are attracted to these games as well yet they don't realize they are being condemned. Hopefully people realize some day soon that they could just NOT BUY THE GAMES AND DLCs and live their lives if these games just make them so unhappy. Try it, you'll be much happier. I'll be trying it too if they ever make me unhappy.
I think the main issue with Episode Aigis was there original intention of adamantly NOT including Episode Aigis to Persona 3 Reload. Then, Persona 3 Reload released being profitable and successful WAY more than Sega, Atlas, or the team working on the project thought. In other words, they did not intend to work on. However, then, why not do the Sonic Frontiers route and make it a free update?
Also, why are they adamant not to have the FeMC in Persona 3 Reload officially? They would need to do the following:
1) Hire a voice actress for each language that Persona 3 Reload releaded in and redo ALL of the male ones with female ones and change them on context as well.
2) Bring ALL other voice actors that interact with the main character even once throughout the entire game in order to avoid very weird moments while playing.
3) Create romance options only accessible to the female main character.
4) Create and obtain new animations specific for the female one.
5) Create alternate anime cutscenes replacing the male protagonist with the female one.
6) Make sure that female character cannot equip armor and cosmetics restricted to male party members.
7) Rework moments of the game that would not make sense with the female main character now present (e.g., Junpei assuming that the player and Yukari were potentially doing something NSFW by saying "Don't say anything about last night." and the hot sprimg scene (Well, they could just retrospectively cut that to make things easier and make an excuse why the player was not present).
8) Change all UI menus with the female instead the male one.
In other words, a nightmare. This is not even mentioning the coding and scripting needing to be altered
Going to wait for the “Royal” version…..
As for persona 3 R they only ever get my money for that if the female mc is added
I think the whole hooplah with DLC practices is actually more on Sega. They are being pretty scummy themselves, what with them locking New Game+ for Yakuza 8 behind paid DLC.
the more skus - the harder it is to buy at really any price point. regardless how much I'm paying - why do I need to buy a dozen different things?
It’s wild that P3Re is Altus’ fast grossing game but can’t add episode Aigis to the premium edition
For the Persona 3 Reload DLC, since Episode Aegis is supposed to be half the length of the main game, I actually am not against it selling for half the price. However, the fact that it's not included in the premium purchases? That I find unacceptable. The main thing I'm against for Vengeance is how close to the original it was released. It's still a well known and talked about game, so to release a remade version this close, no, I think they are shooting themselves in the foot as many more casual gamers that played the original are less likely to get it.
It’s more than just a remake though, it’s getting another campaign mode. Apparently it’s 60-80 hours long too.
SMTVengeance actually gives you more incentive for the purchase besides “ooh it’s on pc now!”
@@Iceblade269 not disagreeing, but that's also why I specified for "casual gamers".
Other companies will include all of the extra stuff from the previous versions from the start. Atlus is just taking advantage of their fans to be honest.
Why buy an SMT or Persona game at launch? Just wait a year til they release the deluxe edition with all the bugs fixed and extra content
In the case of SMTV it's more like 3 years.
From the bastards that released the PS5 version for P5 for full price, we bring you 35 USD DLC after having a 100-200 USD edition.
Yeah… Atlus isn’t one of the Top Tier companies.
Sony Santa Monica truly is the GOAT for giving Valhalla for free.
Remember when you bought games and they were complete, sigh
All those games are complete.
Just like everyone has learnt by now that you should never buy a Ubisoft game at launch for full price because Ubisoft has paper hands and will inevitably slash the price by half or more within a few months from launch, people need to learn that Atlus will always re-release a complete, ultimate edition of their SMT / Persona games with extra content a few years after launch, making the launch edition completely irrelevant.
That is messed up. I'm glad I'm waiting till new switch 2 release for the full package. Atlus can't fool me.
I kinda don't like how people handle DLC honestly i mean look at one happened with breath of the wild with the DLC for that game that should of honestly been included in base game and not as it's own thing for DLC i also feel like that could of been said for Xenoblade 3 + Xenoblade 2 DLC's and Splatoon 2 and splatoon 3 DLC that could of been included if they wanna keep doing this it's fine honestly with DLC i always get DLC now once it all comes out i'm just hoping that with The Answer DLC people don't have to start again upon installing DLC cause i will now be getting DLC for any game not right of the bat i would be getting it after i have finished the base game and once all the DLC has dropped also this could also be said on Neptunia V2 with the level pack DLC that should of been included cause the level cap would of been like level 99 or something but they added level packs for level 200+ then level 999 level pack a game like that should of had that in base game honestly some stuff should be in base game i mean look at persona 5 royal i got that on switch and i got everything even the royal content after i just hope other company's keep some DLC away then add it later but i could also see the other reason on why they should keep like how it is for now cause nintendo is doing this also right ? lmao.
Growlancer, Digital Devil Saga and Raidou Kuzunoha games are based - the only one Atlus games who don't get ,,enchanted'' editions :D
$70 game riddled with dlc and now an expansion that’s $35? I’m sure the game is great but why are $70 games being normalized now?
Atlus use to be a fave for many of US being top notch now they are trying to compete to see how scummy they can be for their monetization. They also censored the beach scene too by completely changing the dialogue from the original, needs a mod for that.
edit: Oh yeah and they got rid of the detective in the Nocturne re-release. Never mind the Chinese fans like him too!!!!!
Agreed
I'm not cool with SMT V, I mean, if I bought the base game, I should get the option to upgrade my game to Vengeance without having to re buy everything again at full price. I get it in the other platforms, but for Switch it should have been an option. Anyways...Atlus being Atlus...
and me who waited for the rerelease and only has to buy the game once : I'll just play both.
japanese developers need to make their games for nintendo first then they can port them to other consoles.
Look I only broke my rule of waiting cause I genuinely love p3 and wanted to play asap the expansion pass crap honestly im not really surprised companies make all kinds bs just get some extra cash so imma just do what I usually do wait and get a good deal I did that with p5 and ill will do that with lots of games p3 reload was just one of those exceptions
The main thing that bothers me about the P3R DLC is I just don't care about BGMs and outfits. I'll just buy "The Answer" when it is released because the first two waves are meaningless to me. I don't mind paying full price for Vengeance because it basically adds an entirely new game, plus it's not like you are just playing the original all over again, as that will also have all of the QOL improvements which kind of makes it worth playing again in my eyes. Just like I enjoyed the replaying the 3DS versions of Devil Survivor, and I enjoyed the 3DS remake of Strange Journey. And I'm enjoying P3R as basically a new game (with an old story). I've been taking my time and have put 90 hours into it and I'm not done yet. That time is worth the 70 bucks I spent.
I got 135 hours out of p3r so its fine as is for me at least. Sega owned by a literal gambling company. It can be so much worse. I'm actually glad atlus has mostly stuck with grind help and skin/music packs to try to get more money. No problem with the dlc but I can see how the pricing might be an issue for some. My actual problem with the game is that its actually kind of too easy which compounds on top of Tartarus just being a slog with only the occasional miniboss to break the tedium.
It’s a bit like the Baldur’s Gate declaration Larian made. They sell complete games with no paid DLC.
Many fans aren’t happy with the DLC model yet many companies do this. Atlus is especially guilty of the day one DLC model since Persona 5 and even before that probably. We just expect this from Atlus at this point.
I don't know how people didn't expect this when it launched. All the complaints and people are still going buy it. Just don't get it and that will show them this is BS
Honestly, I think, at least, DLC is not crap as re-release. At least, customers can see the price and judge by themselves. Re-release are not really good in the long term, especially re-release like just after 3 years. This piss off people who just by a month ago or make people unsure to buy the original version. It's basically sabotage their own original game.
I would rather wait for Metaphor for about 2-3 years and see if they will have completed the edition same as P3R. (At least, P3R right now is heavily discounted on XBOX PASS.)
Good thing I just started this on Gamepass and didn't outright buy it. I'll wait for a CE down the line I guess. Besides I have enough games to play
Check the perks of gamepass. It includes the expansion for free
@@shyguy2046 I probably will but I do wanna buy it at some point and have a physical copy. But it’s not coming out for switch anyway so whatever lol
@@tacotone just add it before the perk expires .
i dont know how any of this is new since this started with persona 3 and person 3 FES on the ps2 and when the SMT games come to a new console they normaly get new mechanics and new story stuff (PS3P,PS4G,ds->3ds games) feels like old atlus to me. as much as i like some of the skins and music options is just giving companies money, just do what i do dont buy them, and maybe the will take hint and stop doing it
It's rare I don't wait for "complete" versions. A game has to cross the barrier for me at all these days. I have limited time and money, and a decent backlog and games I already love. I just don't have time for these shenanigans. It just makes this release less interesting. I'm already against full retail price for remakes that don't innovate significantly. And I know that's subjective and I have nothing against people who can afford playing these games, but it's a zero sum market for me. I have to sacrifice something for every game I buy. I've no time for foolishness.
you know the saying, you let companies do bullshite, you get to eat bullshite.
maybe not buy it? wait 3-6 months, and then get it at a heavy discount.
but of course, nobody is going to do that. instead they will cry, while opening their wallets and paying for as much as atlus asks for.
so you know, so much for a controversy.
but dont worry, next time will be so much worse, it make you remember this one fondly...
I want to say "oh, just wait for a sale" but...Then we lose out on these games getting ANY love :/ Real catch 22 here
Yeah I'll wait until it's all packaged together
i think the dlc is overpriced but the base game of reload is definitely worth full price it's the best way to play persona 3
Their business strategy is not sustainable. With royal and golden, potential buyers would wait for the definitive edition.