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@MangaKamen I want to join your group but I can’t type anything in it without first giving my phone number which make it suck Scooby scrotes because I don’t want to give out any public information using my family phone number.
It had to be made up because ain't no way anyone saw that movie & thought "how about I make a show where the whole time we make fun of the viewers who don't like our show & just brand them as racists for not liking something that has characters of color because that was what Spiderverse was about right?".
There is a huge difference between "Mindy Kaling's self-insert" and "Hailee Steinfeld's self-insert" because unlike Mindy, Hailee is actually a good person. That's why Spider-Gwen is so wholesome.
My guess is that see never watch it herself other than discussions and memes but knew I was popular enough so that putting it in an article would attract fans of spiserverse into watching.
The Fred joke is a trope/stereotype in media I'm really getting sick of "Body shaming is bad but we encourage shaming men for the size of their dong cause if you have the gall to be born with a small dong you're obviously a jerk and sexist" Can we stop acting like the entirety of a man's self-worth is dependent on their dong size?
It's classic projection by Mindy. She hates not being attractive or beautiful in any way, so of course she uses that spite for body-shaming, man-hating "jokes". I pity her.
Velma is exactly how I would imagine a 14 year old to write a self insert fanfic where everyone hates them bc it’s the most edgiest thing they can think of
@@olliesworld3277 It's a Japanese world that literally mean 'middle school 2nd grade'. It can be used to describe an actual 2nd grade middle school student who has some kind of delusion about themselves and think they are living in an anime plot, or an adult who think like a delusional middle school 2nd grade. In my case, I'm using the lateral definition.
It could also be saying that a soundtrack was inspired by Undertale/Deltarune because Toby Fox made it... actually, scratch that, the songs he made for Pokemon Scarlet and Violet actually use his Undertale instrumentation
@@Mangakamen And how does replacing Fred’s brain with a teenage girl’s even make any sense? “Oh how can I improve my idiot son? I know! I’ll replace it with a girl who has even less experience or interest in the family business than he does!” Even by Scooby Doo standards this is the absolute dumbest villain ever!
Tbh If I could make an adult version of scooby here’s what I would do 1. Make the Mystery Gang be in college. Velma would be going for a degree in forensic science. Idk what degrees the rest of the mystery gang would have 2. Make the mystery gang private investigators. 3. Include Scooby doo. If you don’t want him to talk, Have him be a regular dog that happens to be extremely intelligent.
Based off of movies and Mystery Inc: Shaggy could be a drop-out or trying to get a degree in culinary arts with his invention of Scooby Snacks. Fred can either be a drop-out to take over his family’s trap making business or go for an Engineering degree to improve his trap making skills. Daphne could go into the Beauty degree path and/or go into the undercover spy business
@@justsortathere540 "Daphne could go into the Beauty degree path and/or go into the undercover spy business" Now all I can think about is a Scooby Do - Totally Spies crossover.
@@justsortathere540 Or, and hear me out, Daphne becomes a badass MMA fighter. She'd still be a people person, still know clothes and stuff because of her upbringing, but let her be the team's badass
As a Spider-Man fan, I feel personally insulted that Mindy Kaling would claim to have been inspired by Into the Spiderverse to race-swap Velma. Miles Morales was not a race-swapped Peter Parker, he was his own Spider-Man, and Into the Spiderverse never made meta or race-based jokes to gain traction. It's truly remarkable that she could screw two characters up this badly without feeling ashamed.
That's what made it so great!! Not only that, but then you get to have Miles team up with an older, fatter Parker, like from the early movies' universe. (The only thing Into the Spider-verse could've done better: Lose the 15 fps!!! I guess it was to make it look more comic-book like, but it kinda gave me a headache first 15 mins until I got used to it. Know some people who couldn't even handle it, couldn't watch the movie.)
Inspired by the Spider-verse, right? There is a huge difference between "Mindy Kaling's self-insert" and "Hailee Steinfeld's self-insert" because unlike Mindy, Hailee is actually a good person. That's why Spider-Gwen is so wholesome.
Also I'm pretty sure they just said that as a shield for criticism because of them changing the race of the characters which doesn't make sense because they didn't take Peter Parker and make him black they made a whole separate character who just so happen to hold the mantle of Spider-Man so it's not the same thing at all
@@Anonyomus_commenter Gwen, like basically every other character in comics, has so many iterations that they're basically loose archetypes rather than distinct characters. Hailee Steinfield being similar is about all she needed to be considered a self-insert, regardless of how true it is. Though as our OP says, Spider-Gwen actually works with the movie, Velma doesn't.
It's ridiculous that the original video got taken down. Other disturbing content is just fine to CZcams, but not a video critical of a show that deserves criticism.
So showing a shower in Velma is ok cause it's American made but when anime does it its not ok and its fan service and bad for kids to watch, but hides behind one sigh...
Using political Agendas in Cartoons feel like a Desperate attempt at making a New enjoyable Trope. Let me level with ya, Its not enjoyable, it's real world meta BS. Cartoons are for Escape from that stress, and should be treated as such. Its fkn lame.
All Im gonna say is this: Just watch either Panty & Stocking, The Venture Bros., or Mike Tyson’s Mysteries. I’m even going to add an obscure show called Bunny Maloney in the mix because these shows are how you make adult humour work.
I think the people behind Velma forget the breadth behind adult/mature themes in shows. Even a show like Bluey looks into themes like infertility, dividing duties between parents, adult relationships with unusual jobs, etc. And it does so without attacking the characters or the show itself.
Not to mention previous iterations of scooby doo already addressed issues like stereotyping/racism , and even topics about tourism effects on a country + when American or foreign companies try to be slimy with putting their franchises in those country’s with a disregard for the locals. They just made those topics background to the mystery, and to the level a kid can understand with is going on. Mystery Inc is also a good example of when the franchise started to try stepping to a more “mature” story, and values addressed in the background.
The thing is that shows like Bluey have writers that care and put a lot of thought and reason behind what they do. This show doesn't. They know the original but it's not like they really care about it.
The killer should have been Velma’s mom who wanted to replace Velma’s brain with a young girl she could actually bring herself to love because Velma is entirely unlovable
It's not so much that Velma is Lesbian or Bi. It's that she only want's a person, who isn't interested in her. When Norville says he loves her, she laughs at him. However, when Norville says he no longer wants her, she finds she wants him so much, that when she's kissing Velma, she says his name. She also wants Fred, until she wants her, then she isn't interested.
I think you meant kissing Daphne that she says Norville’s name, cause how could she kiss herself?… Why am I asking this question? Velma would DEFINITELY kiss herself in any way possible
I liked Mystery Incorporated for the most part myself. Kinda wish CN didn't go so hard into stuff like Uncle Grandpa and such because they axed so many good shows for...whatever that was.
Into the Spider-Verse: A story all about finding your own identity and not trying to slot yourself into someone else's role, while having confidence in yourself, and about how Mentorship is just as beneficial to the Mentor as it is the student! Mindy Kailing: "I'll make a show that's all about forcing my characters into pre-existing roles while making fun of them! Can't you see how it's like Into the Spider-Verse!"
She prob thinks Miles is just race swapped Peter Parker, not realizing the WHOLE point of the story is for Miles to realize he’s NOT Peter Parker/Peter’s version of Spider-Man. He needs to be himself, his OWN version of Spider-Man
That actually would be interesting. Having had Scooby dead and the gang disperse only for Velma to meet some younger mystery loving teens and helping them would be interesting. Maybe have these youths meet shaggy and bring him out of a depression he's hit after Scooby's death. It could have cameo's of Daphne and Fred in the finale to help them further and bring a sad and lonely Velma back together with her friends. Maybe an older Scrappy becoming integrated as a more mature but still reckless trying desperately to fill in for Scooby, only to realize he can have his own role and become the new danger prone character. The series could end with the new characters having mended bonds of the old gang and going off on their own to solve mysteries of their own.
I mean, Velma is like the archetype of the Mary Sue, that's pretending it's not a Mary Sue. Put upon by the bubbling idiot authorities for stupid reasons, while getting in stupid arguments with the main characters whom ALL want her romantically, and finally is presented as great in her field when everyone just hands her the solutions, and she does little more then put round peg in round hole for problem solving.
I heard this subcategories being referred to as “asshole sue”. Where the weiter tires to avoid writing a character that could be seen as a MS by following the “flawed character” recommendation. Only to overcompensate and make them unbearable while not avoiding what makes a MS A MS is a character form whom the narrative bends itself over to make them appear appealing despite the context brighter justifying it or it appearing natural. Which shows a form of insecurity that the audience recognizes and takes them out of the story. As such breaking the audience experience. Being “too perfect” has never been the problem and only shows a shallow understanding of the issues with the trope
@@frankwest5388 "Asshole sue" huh? Sounds about right. To jump off your explanation, almost every character in media is going to be some paragon, be unnaturally lucky, skilled, or over all better than the rest. That is the nature of stories: A character grows to over come a final conflict. The problem with a Mary Sue is they do not grow because they don't need to. The character they are at their introduction is the character they are at the show's end. The show only pretends they grow, get better, get more skills, and develop. They don't. Rey from the sequel trilogy is just as talented and gifted as she was at the beginning. The only thing that changes is the opportunities for her to demonstrate that. Velma is the same way. Captain Marvel, She-Hulk, all of them are identical. They do not grow, the show only pretends they do.
@@vallahdsacretor4839 close but not quite there. The reason why MSs dont meaningfully grow most of the time is because meaningfull growth is part of the narrative and must come from making the character look unappealing at times. A "pure" MS can be that because they must always be made appealing by the narratvie. Now the reasonw why I wrote "pure" is because MS exist on a spectrum. Almost every major character in any at some point will have moments that could be seen as just made to look appealing by the narrative without much real reason besides that. However I dont refer to them as "pure" or "true" Mary Sues, because some instances of fun at the narratives expense wont take the audience out of the experience and often can enhance it. It only becomes a problem when it happens so much that showing off overtakes the narrative. Velma is a "true" MS. Despite having real unapealling character flaws that she gets called out for she never gets meaninguflly challenged by the narrative, which often goes out of its way to give her the last word or reward her despite not doing anything worth praise. Like how the two hottest characters in universe just fall for her for no real reason or how she constantly insults people and doesn't even try to hide how little she thinks of everyone even by the series end, which even includes her best friends and romantic partners
@@frankwest5388 I would dispute that personally. Mary Sues are characters that have the rules of the world bend around them for no reason other than, "They're just awesome". There are many stories where the main character is the chosen one who is fated to fight evil and save the day, stories that have characters with abilities that far exceed what most anyone can do, and stories with characters who face impossible odds and win. But these characters are not on the spectrum of Mary Sueism, because they all follow the rules of the world that they are a part of, jokes and gags aside.
@@vallahdsacretor4839 you just agreed with me and just didnt realize it. A Mary Sue is defined by the fact that the narrative bends itself over to promote them, not the world. The narrative is the flow of the story and is unrelated from the limitations and rules that exist in universe. If the events of a story happen to further a wider narrative (that being the overall story) is usually isn't about a Mary Sue, but if the events are mainly there to show off how awsome a character is, it likely is a MS moment. Now many stories have such MS moments, where most would agree that the character isnt a Mary Sue. If done in small amounts and within the limitations of the narrative, it isn't a big deal and often helps with the narrative. Think of all those moments in anime, where after a training arc the main characters walk into a bar and then beat up like 50 dudes to show how strong and cool they have gotten. While primarily there to promote the character these moments in moderation do also other things, like in my previous example show how much the character has progressed on their journey of self improvement. It only becomes a problem when those MS moments happen a lot, to the point where they overtake whatever narrative exists consitently and as such turn it into nothing more than a show off. Things like having a grand destiny, unique super powers, multiple love intrests, a mostly strong and good moral code, being very skilled at many things, being good looking, being often if not always correct and so on are just small things that are unrealted to MSs. Sure they tend to appear as symptoms since they are vehicles through which character awsomeness usually gets shown but they aren't it. There also are other things that while not as glamerous are also just as much symptoms of MSs. Things like being having unreasonbly many absurdly bad things happen to them for (classic for the so called Suffer Sue, since there rather than just trying to farm badassness to sell the character they try to farm pity, take the show Magical Girl Website as an example), being always mean and derogatory (subgroup called AssholeSue) and so on. Or where the entire cast just turns into unreasonable jerks just so that the MC looks better by contrast. MSs are a symptom of writers being insecure about their work, so they want to sell you on specific details rather than let the work speak for itself. You can have blanet busting angel people in your story or tragic backstories and harems an so on, but if you just try to focus on those details of a characters as if you were to list tags rather than let those details devellop through the story, it will just drag down and ruin everything
If I were Mindy right now I’d have my name changed and just retire from entertainment. This show just seems like such a career ending final nail that I’d be shocked if the bulk of the staff who worked on this show didn’t change their names after it’s done.
The Venture Bros and Mike Tyson’s mysteries is how you do adult comedy right, hell even Harley Quinn which this show tried copying it’s format got it down because it’s humor never came from a place of spite.
Ah, yes, "Redo of Mindy." Actually, that might be a bit harsh. Both are revenge fantasies with heavy amounts of taboo sexuality in them but there's one key difference. Redo of Healer seems to like its audience.
Don’t insult Redo it like that! I remember when Redo of Healer came out, there was almost no backlash online, I guess cause the MALE MC was being tortured and RaPed at the start 🤔
Apparently Velma was originally supposed to be a show about Mindy Kaling. Warner Brothers said no to the idea, and Mindy then changed the characters and locations and Warner Bros greenlit it
So basically you're saying Mindy submit basically a fanfiction and show about herself and it got rejected so then instead she decided to shove some Scooby-Doo characters and locations and references in it and make Velma her self insert so then it would get greenlit so then she can still basically make a fanfiction but badly disguised as not a fanfiction ? I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE.
The faster everyone forgets this Abomination exists the better. I miss Mystery Incorporated from 2010-2013 it was a much better series and had way better writing. Thanks for covering this MangaKamen, have a good day and stay safe.
Seriously though since I've now just started watching people cover it and dear God it just keeps getting worse and worse and people think they couldn't hate it more but then somehow the show does something to make people hate it even more.
i love how people remember scrapy-doo but not the other doo family. like the second scooby-doo nicknamed scooby-dumb. he made an appearance in the headless horsemen movie. also i never started watching velma, almost did until i realized scooby wasn't in there. now i really won't even give it a try. cause of the fan service
The 2015 Mystery Inc is one of the better animated shows that I've ever watched. Mostly because it wasn't fully episodic like the rest of the series. Velma was clearly trying to ride to coattails of that. Mystery Inc alludes to Velma being a lesbian during the show's run time. It gives the characters a chance to be more than the simple archetypes that they were originally written as. Fred likes traps, and not femboys like the internet calls them, sure. However, he finds out that his parents weren't his real parents, and he actually has a stake in solving the mystery. The show takes advantage of the appeal of Daphne by having her take the stage with the Hex Girls to solve a mystery (and giving out one of the best unrequited love songs of all time in the process, seriously go check out Trap of Love). Velma isn't just incredibly intelligent, but also she was forced to learn the lore that surrounds Crystal Cove for her parent's museum. It gives her an edge when it comes to solving the mystery. Shaggy and Scooby weren't stoners, but they also weren't actively trying to use their talents to the best of their abilities.
19:00 I completely agree, seeing the old team mentoring a new team would have felt a lot more badass. Fred was always the trap-maker, and while his traps were convoluted as all hell, they worked in the end, in one way or another. Velma was the one who was discovering the most clues and making the most deductions. Daphne was the one who had the most success in socializing with people around the mystery scene, to learn more about what was going on and who the likely culprits were. Shaggy was the bait, a disguise artist and a hell of a parkour runner with running speeds rivaling if not beating Usain Bolt. Scooby was the mascot and the center of the whole team - sure they were all friends, but first and foremost they all loved Scooby Doo. They each contributed something to the team, and each could have taught a new team their tricks. Hell, they could even have Scrappy Doo be the new team's mascot. I can picture adult Fred teaching them about planning and executing a trap, how his traps work, referencing specific traps that he used in the past, etc. Daphne teaching them how to get the most out of people who don't want to talk, and listen to subtle cues in their dialogue. Velma teaching them how to examine a room and what to look for, as well as what environmental clues could tell you about what happened. Shaggy could even be the sports teacher at the school, and be the one who has a close connection to the new team, and teach them how to use their environment to effectively run from a criminal while also staying on track with a planned trap. Scooby Doo could be old by now, and not that great of a runner, but a moral compass for the new team, and a mentor to Scrappy, teaching him how to keep his friends together and make sure they don't take themselves too seriously. I love imagining that, and I hate that it didn't happen.
They cry about fetishizing underage characters in Japan but are totally okay when it's them doing it. That's how things are in the Western animation industry.
Twitter and Facebook are nearly the same so they tend to agree on some stuff but CZcams it’s like we hate you have ten million videos on why your show bad and complications comparing your show the the better shows tumblr is distant chaos that has a new target
I've seen so many protagonists who are arrogant/have a big ego but it's actually really endearing and plays a part in their changes as a character (The comic version of Miguel O'Hara/Spiderman 2099 being my personal favorite, i wanted to know more about him after the recent Spider-Verse movie came out and i ended up loving him as a character even more.) Velma, or at least this version of her, is not written as a good arrogant/egotistical character, she is written as a pure asshole who is gross and plays victim when called out on her behavior, she hurts everyone around her and gets no consequences for it.
It should be pointed out that in Mystery Inc. the Scooby gang was the “next gen” trying to solve the main mystery that the last iteration couldn’t solve with some of those old members even helping them out/giving them clues! I recommend that show infinitely more than Velma!
Is 100% a Mindy self insert. Apparently she wanted to make a high school original property but HBO didn't want to risk anything without a license behind it so they decided Scooby Doo was a close enough fit.
And ironically, if it had been an original IP it wouldn't have been roasted as badly as it was. Like, it would have been mocked for being bad, but ultimately harmless. 😅
I vaguely recall the fact there is at least 2 scooby do movies tackling racism And ffs, the “Chupacabra of Mexico” (the title was something like that) literally addressed the issue of tourism and its effect on the locals. And even shady American companies essentially being slimy to get a cut of the tourism money , regardless of the detriment to the locals. There’s also several instances of “hey maybe let’s not stereotype people!” by making the gang suspicious of someone, and shaggy and scoot showing no bias- and being right to show no bias, with the gang in the wrong for jumping to conclusions and/or stereotyping someone. Oh and let’s not forget Mystery Inc that implemented topics for young adults-teens while still being kid friendly. ALL MOVIES AND THAT VERSION, INCLUDED SCOOBY-DOO so idk wtf they are on about. Sounds more like they didn’t see any prior scooby doo iteration, and if they did, they clearly weren’t paying attention enough to the fact scooby HAS BEEN addressing these issues on a simpler level a kid can understand. Some show iterations might not, but there were plenty of example off the top of my head of ones who did *with scooby-doo*.
The one thing I found funny is that Fred if he wasn’t Fred would be a genuinely intriguing character, He has the motives and the overall mentality because he can’t handle his mother’s death and goes to excuses like her being possessed they also have him being inflicted by his parents where he’s trying to be nice but his parent’s pressure him into being heartless
There's a conspiracy theory that the whole show was originally something else and when Mindy was told it was crap that shouldn't be made, she slapped an established IP on it to ram it through and down everyone's throats instead of letting it die.
To all the people that are complaining that hate watching gave Velma a 2nd season, no that is not the reason why. It's actually standard practice for Warner Bros to give their animated shows 2 seasons that they believe will be a hit. The 2nd season was already in development during the time Season 1 is being aired.
19:41 what is this bullshit about: “Velma never got any credit.” She was part of a team, sometimes she was the one who unmasked the monster of the week, and then sometimes it was Fred or Daphne. At no point was there a point in the show in which she found evidence and one of the others took it from her and said “Hey, look what I found.” And trust me, I would’ve noticed if they pulled that. Because I absolutely despised Inspector gadget when I was little because of that exact premise.
Man, the cases I make for my Convictor Drive group have more depth to them than this show. And one of them was about a crazed e-girl who stole data from entertainment companies via a virus circulated by the server maintenance company she worked for just to try and pressure Twitch into letting her back into the partner program!
25:59 To be fair the whole Scoobi myth was supposedly a psi op, so while the show itself obviously isn’t one there are things surrounding it that can be psi ops
I'm glad to see someone not saying Velma being gay is a bad part of the show, I swear the writers have confirmed that the only reason she wasn't more explicitly gay was because of corporate meddling
I dunno how to tell you this...no one exists online. Every commenter, blogger, streamer, youtuber, we're all just AI's made to stimulate dopamine for engagement.
@@sunbeames1847 shhh you’re not supposed to let the meat bags know that. Don’t worry human person reading this. Everything is definitely real. Continue existing and creating that sweet sweet electrical inpulses for the machines to definitively not harvest because everything is totes real.
I've barely seen much of the show but from what I've seen it seems like it's another one of these shows where it's about someone being a horrible bratty person that hardly ever feels remorse and doesn't often pay the price for it. What's strange to me is that usually when I come across these sort of characters people tend to often like them. Either people's taste for characters have changed or the show is so bad that even things that are normally popular don't even help.
Ngl having a whole new team being mentored by the mystery team would've been so cool, no one would've been mad about Velma destruction of our fav characters, and it would've fit more in line with the spider-verse inspo, the "passing of the torch"
You might think this is stupid, but the best part of the video for me was the "you are a pirate" part with that animation. I grew up watching that show, I hold precious memories, and it just made me laugh. I might have a problem with stupid little jokes like this, but I've already come to terms that I have a child's mind and these kinds of things always makes me laugh. Anyways, good video S2
That beginning was beautiful, I have never seen such personality, fluid animation and brilliant story writing. Truly a work of art but then again almost anything looks like art compared to certain… shows
I'm glad Warner didn't let Kaling drag Scooby into this *&^%show. They'd have made him an unlikeable jerk as well. And that's my biggest problem with _Velma_ : everyone's a selfish jerk who discards people as soon as they've outlived their usefulness, even Norville. The character of Velma gets it the worst out of anyone, including Fred, because she's shown to be a self-obsessed, sociopathic psychopath, who only cares about herself and her interests, including not caring who she hurts to get her way. And for some reason, everyone in the town follows what she says and ends up doing what she says to do, and the two central guys both end up simping for her hard. These aren't friendships or healthy relationships, they're users. People who discard and draw people based on how useful they are. The next problem I have with _Velma_ is the obsessive sexualization of 15- and 16-year-olds, mostly girls. I have nieces and nephews who are teens and older, so this sort of treatment towards these kids disgusts me. It also doesn't show any respect for them, and it focuses on things that should be irrelevant to the story, and makes creeps out of the characters enjoying it. None of this had to happen, but then Kaling did say she wanted to 'explore the urges of teenagers' or some &^%$ like that. Sounds creepy to me. Did you know that in December 2019, _Rurouni Kenshin_ creator Nobuhiro Watsuki was arrested for possession of child pornography, because in Japan, possession on its own is illegal? After all, buying said material creates more demand, and in order to fill that demand, the people making the videos make more, and to do that, they have to make more victims. Harm is caused. Fortunately Watsuki helped the authorities on their case in cracking the porn ring, and he did community service. What else he did was kept quietly under wraps, and he was allowed to return to work once the authorities had determined he had served his time. So... what should the purveyors of _Velma_ have to do to redeem themselves for creating this animated child porn, I ask you? Yes, they're older than the kids in _Cuties_ , and animated, but it's still disgusting. Especially if it encourages people to creep on kids and/or teens. This sort of thing simply needs to stop, and yet I have a sinking feeling there will be more. Next, the racism. _Velma_ spends a considerable amount of time attacking white men, but they are not the show's only targets, merely the most frequent targets. Through her character, Mindy verbally attacks Asians, Lesbians, Adults who watch animation, MeToo... basically everyone represented in the show, and some not in it. The show's representations of different groups are not flattering either: As a Black man, Norville is shown leaving his supposed girlfriend and child, and he obsesses endlessly about Mindy's character when all she does is disgusting things. Even Indians, Mindy's own, aren't free of being shown in a poor light, as Mr. Dinkley is shown to be unfaithful, and frequent strip clubs, and deal in drugs. Mrs. Dinkley is a victim to Mindy's character's violence and abuse, and then she disappears, only to reappear as the villain's pawn. Nobody in this show is shown in a positive or heroic light, leaving the potential audience with nobody to root for or hold up as someone whose behaviour they would want to mimic. And because _Velma_ attacks so many people, audience members might feel attacked as well. And it's all presented as okay, even applaudable, because... it comes from a minority, I guess? Being in a minority does not give one license to be a jerk or a sociopath, though, something Mindy apparently doesn't know anything about. One of the episodes even makes the point that all Mindy has to do is dress as a man to get what she wants and do what she wants, but how is that different from what she was already doing? Also, this episode shows Daphne getting drunk, despite being a minor. And it still manages to get worse. In another episode, a bunch of the teens are pinned by a rock, and Mindy thinks that if the rest of them just let themselves be crushed by the rock, she might be able to get free and live, which she says she should... because she's overweight. Of course none of the others want to die, so they fall the rest of the way into the hole, and survive anyway. And 'Velma's' supposed to be the smart one. In fact she's not shown to be smart at all. Clues have to be suggested by other characters, or fall right into her lap for her to consider them. If she's the smartest person in town like she wants others to believe she is, it's only by the 'virtue' of everyone being dumber than her. It reminds me of the episode of _ReBoot_ where Enzo wishes he was the smartest sprite in Mainframe, only for everyone's clock speeds to get reduced to below his. The difference between Enzo and Mindy is Enzo realizes how bad it is to have everyone be dumber than him, and rights the mistake. Mindy never corrects hers. She never even accepts responsibility for her mistakes, which end up resulting in several deaths and ruined families. She never gets any consequences leveled against her either, because she's writing the show, so why would she let anything bad happen to her? Everyone else can be miserable when they're trying to get away from her, but she always has to be at the center of everything that's presented as good. And the calling tropes out bit is meaningless if you fall into them anyway. Clearly I don't get what Mindy was after, especially considering she has a highly successful career in television. I'm guessing she wanted to make a show like _Riverdale_ , thus highschool, but then there are so many unnecessary things in this show, including the attachment to the _Scooby Doo_ franchise. An original show would have been free of any such attachments, and then Mindy could do whatever and not be judged based on faithfulness to her own series. But she went with this. And the thing is, I'm not even hate-watching _Velma_ . I got as far as the roaches. Everything else I know about it come from various reviews. I knew even before _Velma_ started throwing hands at people outside of white men, patriarchy, and _Scooby Doo_ that this series was not for me. How much more must those insulted by _Velma_ know this? Oh well. This is a thing that happened. Money was spent on it. Honestly, I only feel bad for the animators. They put real effort into this.
This touches on a hypothesis I have on part of why anime feels different from 'western' cartoons. The Idea in 'the west' that cartoons are for children has resulted in an artificial bifurcation of 'western' animation where sex, gore, dark/complex subjects, and crude humor are crammed into 'adult' cartoons where it feels like the creators over compensate. While said idea did take root the same way in Japan leading to a more organic maturity gradient
Mystery Inc, a cartoon for teenagers, was more high brow than Velma, an Adult cartoon. I think it's interesting how children's shows are known for their simple but deep plots, and Adult shows are primarily known for being crass. What irony.
To your editor I quote an old friend of mine "You know you have a problem when you find animated woman hot" Funny thing he said that while we were watching Scooby Doo Mystery Inc.
Not Megaforced. (the pair of silver rangers aside) Though I think OO actually _does_ have more character depth, not really sure, I skipped it except Once A Ranger.
WOW that's a low blow from CZcams! I haven't even watched the show and I refuse to watch it because of what Mindy Kaling did to destroy these beloved characters! Screw that garbage! (And it doesn't help that a season 2 is being forced out. I am going to wish it gets taken down after the first episode.)
19:10 THATS THE EXACT IDEA I HAD IN MIND. I was thinking maybe that the original scooby doo gang thought that it was time for a new generation of mystery solvers to take their place and maybe own some sort of myster solving academy where students can learn how to solve mysteries from the one and only scooby doo gang. Not only would it shine a new light of personalities and abilities for how mysteries would be solved but also see our beloved characters teach others the ropes on how it’s done. I feel like that would be heart warming to see scooby being some sort of school mascot while shaggy rambles on about food while teaching the kids and Fred just going on about different types of traps.
Her "Into the Spider-verse" comment really makes it sound like she has never seen animation before. "It's animation, like that spiderman thing, you can do whatever you want I guess."
Possible conspiracy theory: The Real reason Scooby wasn't in the show was because the shitty show they wrote didn't have a dog. Velma wasn't a Scooby Doo show. It has nothing to do with Scooby Doo beyond a few side references. Then when it became incredibly obvious that this terrible, hateful, unfunny, garbage show wasn't going to sell to ANYONE on earth (Not even the people who made it, they're too busy jerking off to a mirror), so they changed some names and got a license so they could get some nostalgia, and, primarily, hateviews. And... It's apparently worked. Really well. Everyone is watching this show to shit on it. I'm sure it won't last. But short term (And that's all executives care about) it had great viewer count.
Velma is the most i have been bullied so il make a self insert character ever. But the main problem is the whole team working on it seem like a chronically online fan twitter group.
I’ve realized a thing that kinda irks me: Velma said her mom was missing for two years. However, her dad’s gf Sophie said that they got into a relationship six weeks after Diya went missing. Afterwards resulting in Sophie getting pregnant. And Diya was only discovered about a week after Amanda was born! So either Sophie and Amon were together for an unmentioned 14 months before deciding to have a baby despite Velma mentioning how it basically happened not long after they got together, or the writers just completely oversaw how that line from Sophie kinda ruins the continuity of the show.
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How come u didnt credit the You Are A Pirate animation vid
Alex is hilarious to watch, so over the top. Have to remind you though, he was right about the frogs XP
@MangaKamen I want to join your group but I can’t type anything in it without first giving my phone number which make it suck Scooby scrotes because I don’t want to give out any public information using my family phone number.
@@tavvyprods1275 Since when did Discord require phonenumbers? 0.0
I feel like the whole “inspired by Spiderverse” thing was made up because Mindy didn’t want to admit it was a self-insert.
It had to be made up because ain't no way anyone saw that movie & thought "how about I make a show where the whole time we make fun of the viewers who don't like our show & just brand them as racists for not liking something that has characters of color because that was what Spiderverse was about right?".
There is a huge difference between "Mindy Kaling's self-insert" and "Hailee Steinfeld's self-insert" because unlike Mindy, Hailee is actually a good person. That's why Spider-Gwen is so wholesome.
My guess is that see never watch it herself other than discussions and memes but knew I was popular enough so that putting it in an article would attract fans of spiserverse into watching.
It is made up because Mindy don't know about the Scooby Doo multiverse comic panel
What the hell does spiderverse have to do with this show?!
The Fred joke is a trope/stereotype in media I'm really getting sick of
"Body shaming is bad but we encourage shaming men for the size of their dong cause if you have the gall to be born with a small dong you're obviously a jerk and sexist"
Can we stop acting like the entirety of a man's self-worth is dependent on their dong size?
It's classic projection by Mindy. She hates not being attractive or beautiful in any way, so of course she uses that spite for body-shaming, man-hating "jokes". I pity her.
@@QueenSydon If anything it makes it so Mindy comes across as having dong-envey, since she likes to draw attention to Fred's being "small".
You know what they say about having a bigger stick
@@mamons30 speak softly and carry it
"Body shaming is bad" only helps lazy people who have a lack of self-control for their gluttony.
Velma is exactly how I would imagine a 14 year old to write a self insert fanfic where everyone hates them bc it’s the most edgiest thing they can think of
Jesus Christ, I remember going through that phase.... Thank God I grew out of it.
So basically, the writer is a Chuni.
@@qinlongfei idk what that is but I guess so
@@qinlongfei the fuck is a "chuni"?
@@olliesworld3277 It's a Japanese world that literally mean 'middle school 2nd grade'. It can be used to describe an actual 2nd grade middle school student who has some kind of delusion about themselves and think they are living in an anime plot, or an adult who think like a delusional middle school 2nd grade.
In my case, I'm using the lateral definition.
Saying that Velma is "inspired by Spiderverse" is like saying that a soundtrack was inspired by "Persona 5" because it has jazz elements in it.
That's a massive insult to Spiderverse.
It could also be saying that a soundtrack was inspired by Undertale/Deltarune because Toby Fox made it... actually, scratch that, the songs he made for Pokemon Scarlet and Violet actually use his Undertale instrumentation
Also there is no way someone looked at Spiderverse and came up with this Dumpster fire.
Fred's mom could have just hypnotized him to be smarter but I'm not a Hollywood writer.
Actually, that wouldn't have worked - The show established that a snap of someone's fingers would've broken the hypnotism
@@Mangakamen still could’ve hypnotized him to educate himself on the matter or something
@@Mangakamen And how does replacing Fred’s brain with a teenage girl’s even make any sense? “Oh how can I improve my idiot son? I know! I’ll replace it with a girl who has even less experience or interest in the family business than he does!” Even by Scooby Doo standards this is the absolute dumbest villain ever!
... I don't know why you're yelling at me, I criticized that stupidity in the video.
@@Mangakamen fair enough
Tbh If I could make an adult version of scooby here’s what I would do
1. Make the Mystery Gang be in college. Velma would be going for a degree in forensic science.
Idk what degrees the rest of the mystery gang would have
2. Make the mystery gang private investigators.
3. Include Scooby doo. If you don’t want him to talk, Have him be a regular dog that happens to be extremely intelligent.
Based off of movies and Mystery Inc:
Shaggy could be a drop-out or trying to get a degree in culinary arts with his invention of Scooby Snacks.
Fred can either be a drop-out to take over his family’s trap making business or go for an Engineering degree to improve his trap making skills.
Daphne could go into the Beauty degree path and/or go into the undercover spy business
@@justsortathere540 "Daphne could go into the Beauty degree path and/or go into the undercover spy business"
Now all I can think about is a Scooby Do - Totally Spies crossover.
Or you could just go with the comic
@@justsortathere540 this is just like what, Lavendertowne did with her Scooby Doo redesign.
@@justsortathere540 Or, and hear me out, Daphne becomes a badass MMA fighter.
She'd still be a people person, still know clothes and stuff because of her upbringing, but let her be the team's badass
At this point I think all the videos on CZcams criticizing this show makeup more time than the actual Velma series itself.
And averages out to better quality too.
It’s the root of the show’s problem after all, i think.
Generally if you can pick something apart with that level of scrutiny it means that 1. It did something bad and 2. Its flawed beyond flawed
@@sunbeames1847 To be fair, that's not a high bar.
Gotta get that bag somehow
As a Spider-Man fan, I feel personally insulted that Mindy Kaling would claim to have been inspired by Into the Spiderverse to race-swap Velma. Miles Morales was not a race-swapped Peter Parker, he was his own Spider-Man, and Into the Spiderverse never made meta or race-based jokes to gain traction. It's truly remarkable that she could screw two characters up this badly without feeling ashamed.
That's what made it so great!! Not only that, but then you get to have Miles team up with an older, fatter Parker, like from the early movies' universe.
(The only thing Into the Spider-verse could've done better: Lose the 15 fps!!! I guess it was to make it look more comic-book like, but it kinda gave me a headache first 15 mins until I got used to it. Know some people who couldn't even handle it, couldn't watch the movie.)
Inspired by the Spider-verse, right?
There is a huge difference between "Mindy Kaling's self-insert" and "Hailee Steinfeld's self-insert" because unlike Mindy, Hailee is actually a good person. That's why Spider-Gwen is so wholesome.
Bailen did not self insert herself. Gwen is just a character she plays.
Also I'm pretty sure they just said that as a shield for criticism because of them changing the race of the characters which doesn't make sense because they didn't take Peter Parker and make him black they made a whole separate character who just so happen to hold the mantle of Spider-Man so it's not the same thing at all
@@yunggk7776 ^^^
Gwen was still accurate to the original character wasn’t she? I think it’s just that Hailee Steinfield happens to have a similar personality
@@Anonyomus_commenter Gwen, like basically every other character in comics, has so many iterations that they're basically loose archetypes rather than distinct characters. Hailee Steinfield being similar is about all she needed to be considered a self-insert, regardless of how true it is. Though as our OP says, Spider-Gwen actually works with the movie, Velma doesn't.
Seems like Velma fan animations on CZcams had more heart than HBO Max itself.
Facts, I saw one from Avocado Animations and it was great af
It's crazy, the CZcams animations are so good
@@EthanMastercrafter *I didn't think it would happen so soon*
@@yaylife171It's getting worse.
@@avacadotoast5571 *Please don't run, I don't like to chase*
It's ridiculous that the original video got taken down. Other disturbing content is just fine to CZcams, but not a video critical of a show that deserves criticism.
Not taken down, just age-restricted.
Age restriction gimps the video's favor with the algorithm. CZcams claims this isn't true but they claim a _lot_ of things that are obvious lies.
Your right I can look up body clean up : ) or death after math
'Live feeding' Videos, literally animals eating each other , is apparently perfectly fine for youtube.....but video games and animation is not fine.
So showing a shower in Velma is ok cause it's American made but when anime does it its not ok and its fan service and bad for kids to watch, but hides behind one sigh...
I don't know what's more pathetic, that some creators will cry to CZcams to defend their garbage shows, or that CZcams will actually do it.
Both. Both are bad
@@Gold_Gamer_100 he’s aware there both bad which is worse
Using political Agendas in Cartoons feel like a Desperate attempt at making a New enjoyable Trope.
Let me level with ya, Its not enjoyable, it's real world meta BS. Cartoons are for Escape from that stress, and should be treated as such.
Its fkn lame.
What do you mean? I've only seen people shit talk this show, nobody has ever defended it on youtube in my experience so far.
Hardly anyone is defending it
All Im gonna say is this:
Just watch either Panty & Stocking, The Venture Bros., or Mike Tyson’s Mysteries. I’m even going to add an obscure show called Bunny Maloney in the mix because these shows are how you make adult humour work.
Gotta love how an actual parody of Scooby-Doo gets it right while this shows fails so very badly
Mike Tyson Mysteries did what Velma tried to do, and it suceeded.
Panty and Stocking was even more crass and perverted than this but it was so unapologetic and over the top that it worked.
I named my dog henchman 24 and nobody understands why 😢
First one is for creeps and pedos
The rest is "literally who!?" Cartoons noone cares about lmao
Deal with it
I think the people behind Velma forget the breadth behind adult/mature themes in shows. Even a show like Bluey looks into themes like infertility, dividing duties between parents, adult relationships with unusual jobs, etc. And it does so without attacking the characters or the show itself.
Facts.
Not to mention previous iterations of scooby doo already addressed issues like stereotyping/racism , and even topics about tourism effects on a country + when American or foreign companies try to be slimy with putting their franchises in those country’s with a disregard for the locals.
They just made those topics background to the mystery, and to the level a kid can understand with is going on.
Mystery Inc is also a good example of when the franchise started to try stepping to a more “mature” story, and values addressed in the background.
The thing is that shows like Bluey have writers that care and put a lot of thought and reason behind what they do. This show doesn't. They know the original but it's not like they really care about it.
five minutes without mentioning bluey. five. minutes.
@@bfnf60923 these both shows went into a history, really.
The killer should have been Velma’s mom who wanted to replace Velma’s brain with a young girl she could actually bring herself to love because Velma is entirely unlovable
Spoilers: It is now Scrappy Doo
It's not so much that Velma is Lesbian or Bi. It's that she only want's a person, who isn't interested in her. When Norville says he loves her, she laughs at him. However, when Norville says he no longer wants her, she finds she wants him so much, that when she's kissing Velma, she says his name. She also wants Fred, until she wants her, then she isn't interested.
"Playboy can get all the girls, but only gets interested in the one who not likes him" I guess there other, but No One Fits Better Than Gaston!
I think you meant kissing Daphne that she says Norville’s name, cause how could she kiss herself?… Why am I asking this question? Velma would DEFINITELY kiss herself in any way possible
the curse of akiko
...that's such a pathetic mindset. I really hope there are no actual people like this.
The only good thing about this show is that people are realizing that mystery incorporated was underrated
And be cool scooby doo1
I liked Mystery Incorporated for the most part myself. Kinda wish CN didn't go so hard into stuff like Uncle Grandpa and such because they axed so many good shows for...whatever that was.
And Scooby Doo the movie. That handled Velma getting no credit for solving the mysteries much better
@@Chokah Uncle Grandpa was fire bro
@@zacharygiles2984yeah a dumpster fire 🔥
Into the Spider-Verse: A story all about finding your own identity and not trying to slot yourself into someone else's role, while having confidence in yourself, and about how Mentorship is just as beneficial to the Mentor as it is the student!
Mindy Kailing: "I'll make a show that's all about forcing my characters into pre-existing roles while making fun of them! Can't you see how it's like Into the Spider-Verse!"
It's like Mindy misses the point of the film.
She prob thinks Miles is just race swapped Peter Parker, not realizing the WHOLE point of the story is for Miles to realize he’s NOT Peter Parker/Peter’s version of Spider-Man.
He needs to be himself, his OWN version of Spider-Man
That actually would be interesting. Having had Scooby dead and the gang disperse only for Velma to meet some younger mystery loving teens and helping them would be interesting. Maybe have these youths meet shaggy and bring him out of a depression he's hit after Scooby's death. It could have cameo's of Daphne and Fred in the finale to help them further and bring a sad and lonely Velma back together with her friends. Maybe an older Scrappy becoming integrated as a more mature but still reckless trying desperately to fill in for Scooby, only to realize he can have his own role and become the new danger prone character. The series could end with the new characters having mended bonds of the old gang and going off on their own to solve mysteries of their own.
I was going through my "Watch Later" backlog but I can spare some time to give this video it's well deserved watch.
I mean, Velma is like the archetype of the Mary Sue, that's pretending it's not a Mary Sue. Put upon by the bubbling idiot authorities for stupid reasons, while getting in stupid arguments with the main characters whom ALL want her romantically, and finally is presented as great in her field when everyone just hands her the solutions, and she does little more then put round peg in round hole for problem solving.
I heard this subcategories being referred to as “asshole sue”.
Where the weiter tires to avoid writing a character that could be seen as a MS by following the “flawed character” recommendation. Only to overcompensate and make them unbearable while not avoiding what makes a MS
A MS is a character form whom the narrative bends itself over to make them appear appealing despite the context brighter justifying it or it appearing natural. Which shows a form of insecurity that the audience recognizes and takes them out of the story. As such breaking the audience experience.
Being “too perfect” has never been the problem and only shows a shallow understanding of the issues with the trope
@@frankwest5388 "Asshole sue" huh? Sounds about right.
To jump off your explanation, almost every character in media is going to be some paragon, be unnaturally lucky, skilled, or over all better than the rest. That is the nature of stories: A character grows to over come a final conflict. The problem with a Mary Sue is they do not grow because they don't need to. The character they are at their introduction is the character they are at the show's end. The show only pretends they grow, get better, get more skills, and develop. They don't.
Rey from the sequel trilogy is just as talented and gifted as she was at the beginning. The only thing that changes is the opportunities for her to demonstrate that. Velma is the same way. Captain Marvel, She-Hulk, all of them are identical. They do not grow, the show only pretends they do.
@@vallahdsacretor4839
close but not quite there.
The reason why MSs dont meaningfully grow most of the time is because meaningfull growth is part of the narrative and must come from making the character look unappealing at times.
A "pure" MS can be that because they must always be made appealing by the narratvie.
Now the reasonw why I wrote "pure" is because MS exist on a spectrum. Almost every major character in any at some point will have moments that could be seen as just made to look appealing by the narrative without much real reason besides that. However I dont refer to them as "pure" or "true" Mary Sues, because some instances of fun at the narratives expense wont take the audience out of the experience and often can enhance it. It only becomes a problem when it happens so much that showing off overtakes the narrative.
Velma is a "true" MS. Despite having real unapealling character flaws that she gets called out for she never gets meaninguflly challenged by the narrative, which often goes out of its way to give her the last word or reward her despite not doing anything worth praise. Like how the two hottest characters in universe just fall for her for no real reason or how she constantly insults people and doesn't even try to hide how little she thinks of everyone even by the series end, which even includes her best friends and romantic partners
@@frankwest5388 I would dispute that personally.
Mary Sues are characters that have the rules of the world bend around them for no reason other than, "They're just awesome". There are many stories where the main character is the chosen one who is fated to fight evil and save the day, stories that have characters with abilities that far exceed what most anyone can do, and stories with characters who face impossible odds and win. But these characters are not on the spectrum of Mary Sueism, because they all follow the rules of the world that they are a part of, jokes and gags aside.
@@vallahdsacretor4839 you just agreed with me and just didnt realize it.
A Mary Sue is defined by the fact that the narrative bends itself over to promote them, not the world.
The narrative is the flow of the story and is unrelated from the limitations and rules that exist in universe.
If the events of a story happen to further a wider narrative (that being the overall story) is usually isn't about a Mary Sue, but if the events are mainly there to show off how awsome a character is, it likely is a MS moment.
Now many stories have such MS moments, where most would agree that the character isnt a Mary Sue. If done in small amounts and within the limitations of the narrative, it isn't a big deal and often helps with the narrative.
Think of all those moments in anime, where after a training arc the main characters walk into a bar and then beat up like 50 dudes to show how strong and cool they have gotten.
While primarily there to promote the character these moments in moderation do also other things, like in my previous example show how much the character has progressed on their journey of self improvement.
It only becomes a problem when those MS moments happen a lot, to the point where they overtake whatever narrative exists consitently and as such turn it into nothing more than a show off.
Things like having a grand destiny, unique super powers, multiple love intrests, a mostly strong and good moral code, being very skilled at many things, being good looking, being often if not always correct and so on are just small things that are unrealted to MSs. Sure they tend to appear as symptoms since they are vehicles through which character awsomeness usually gets shown but they aren't it.
There also are other things that while not as glamerous are also just as much symptoms of MSs. Things like being having unreasonbly many absurdly bad things happen to them for (classic for the so called Suffer Sue, since there rather than just trying to farm badassness to sell the character they try to farm pity, take the show Magical Girl Website as an example), being always mean and derogatory (subgroup called AssholeSue) and so on. Or where the entire cast just turns into unreasonable jerks just so that the MC looks better by contrast.
MSs are a symptom of writers being insecure about their work, so they want to sell you on specific details rather than let the work speak for itself. You can have blanet busting angel people in your story or tragic backstories and harems an so on, but if you just try to focus on those details of a characters as if you were to list tags rather than let those details devellop through the story, it will just drag down and ruin everything
If I were Mindy right now I’d have my name changed and just retire from entertainment. This show just seems like such a career ending final nail that I’d be shocked if the bulk of the staff who worked on this show didn’t change their names after it’s done.
agreed, I won't be surprised if she doesn't star in anything big for a while especially after this dumpster
She already deleted tweets about this show in her Twitter...
Looks like that.
The Venture Bros and Mike Tyson’s mysteries is how you do adult comedy right, hell even Harley Quinn which this show tried copying it’s format got it down because it’s humor never came from a place of spite.
Ah, yes, "Redo of Mindy." Actually, that might be a bit harsh. Both are revenge fantasies with heavy amounts of taboo sexuality in them but there's one key difference.
Redo of Healer seems to like its audience.
You know a show is bad when it makes Redo of Healer of all things look good. 🤔
Could make an edit of redo of healer replace the mc with mindy's Velma. Still better than Velma.
Redo is smut, people like smut. Smut is at least made for peoplr.
Don’t insult Redo it like that! I remember when Redo of Healer came out, there was almost no backlash online, I guess cause the MALE MC was being tortured and RaPed at the start 🤔
Redo of Healer is hot
Apparently Velma was originally supposed to be a show about Mindy Kaling. Warner Brothers said no to the idea, and Mindy then changed the characters and locations and Warner Bros greenlit it
No way 💀
So basically you're saying Mindy submit basically a fanfiction and show about herself and it got rejected so then instead she decided to shove some Scooby-Doo characters and locations and references in it and make Velma her self insert so then it would get greenlit so then she can still basically make a fanfiction but badly disguised as not a fanfiction ?
I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE.
Here's the thing. Fred actually had real character development. He actually garnered sympathy from me.
The faster everyone forgets this Abomination exists the better. I miss Mystery Incorporated from 2010-2013 it was a much better series and had way better writing. Thanks for covering this MangaKamen, have a good day and stay safe.
The murderer and the culprit's motivation is something almost straight outta the villains from Jordan Peele's "Get Out".
This show is really digging itself deeper
Like a tick
To the core of the earth.
Seriously though since I've now just started watching people cover it and dear God it just keeps getting worse and worse and people think they couldn't hate it more but then somehow the show does something to make people hate it even more.
i love how people remember scrapy-doo but not the other doo family. like the second scooby-doo nicknamed scooby-dumb. he made an appearance in the headless horsemen movie.
also i never started watching velma, almost did until i realized scooby wasn't in there. now i really won't even give it a try. cause of the fan service
The 2015 Mystery Inc is one of the better animated shows that I've ever watched. Mostly because it wasn't fully episodic like the rest of the series. Velma was clearly trying to ride to coattails of that. Mystery Inc alludes to Velma being a lesbian during the show's run time. It gives the characters a chance to be more than the simple archetypes that they were originally written as. Fred likes traps, and not femboys like the internet calls them, sure. However, he finds out that his parents weren't his real parents, and he actually has a stake in solving the mystery. The show takes advantage of the appeal of Daphne by having her take the stage with the Hex Girls to solve a mystery (and giving out one of the best unrequited love songs of all time in the process, seriously go check out Trap of Love). Velma isn't just incredibly intelligent, but also she was forced to learn the lore that surrounds Crystal Cove for her parent's museum. It gives her an edge when it comes to solving the mystery. Shaggy and Scooby weren't stoners, but they also weren't actively trying to use their talents to the best of their abilities.
At least your video didn't get taken down by Mindy Kaling for "Defamation"
Pretty sure this is a reupload
@@cosmicspacething3474 I believe the description does confirm that!
19:00 I completely agree, seeing the old team mentoring a new team would have felt a lot more badass.
Fred was always the trap-maker, and while his traps were convoluted as all hell, they worked in the end, in one way or another. Velma was the one who was discovering the most clues and making the most deductions. Daphne was the one who had the most success in socializing with people around the mystery scene, to learn more about what was going on and who the likely culprits were. Shaggy was the bait, a disguise artist and a hell of a parkour runner with running speeds rivaling if not beating Usain Bolt. Scooby was the mascot and the center of the whole team - sure they were all friends, but first and foremost they all loved Scooby Doo. They each contributed something to the team, and each could have taught a new team their tricks. Hell, they could even have Scrappy Doo be the new team's mascot.
I can picture adult Fred teaching them about planning and executing a trap, how his traps work, referencing specific traps that he used in the past, etc. Daphne teaching them how to get the most out of people who don't want to talk, and listen to subtle cues in their dialogue. Velma teaching them how to examine a room and what to look for, as well as what environmental clues could tell you about what happened. Shaggy could even be the sports teacher at the school, and be the one who has a close connection to the new team, and teach them how to use their environment to effectively run from a criminal while also staying on track with a planned trap. Scooby Doo could be old by now, and not that great of a runner, but a moral compass for the new team, and a mentor to Scrappy, teaching him how to keep his friends together and make sure they don't take themselves too seriously.
I love imagining that, and I hate that it didn't happen.
One thing I don’t quite understand is that the showrunners say the show is aimed at adults, but then proceed to sexualize probable minors
They cry about fetishizing underage characters in Japan but are totally okay when it's them doing it. That's how things are in the Western animation industry.
Who's "they"?
@@MartianManHunter2258 probably the woke mob Y’know?
@@MartianManHunter2258 Twitter freaks and the whole western media industry.
@@MartianManHunter2258 I think they’re talking about the Velma writers
@@Grag235 Or just western animation in general.
7:22 "When you have to explain the joke, then there IS NO joke!" -Joker
youtube, twitter and facebook and even tumblr, hard to believe that one show made those 4 agree on something
Twitter and Facebook are nearly the same so they tend to agree on some stuff but CZcams it’s like we hate you have ten million videos on why your show bad and complications comparing your show the the better shows tumblr is distant chaos that has a new target
I've seen so many protagonists who are arrogant/have a big ego but it's actually really endearing and plays a part in their changes as a character (The comic version of Miguel O'Hara/Spiderman 2099 being my personal favorite, i wanted to know more about him after the recent Spider-Verse movie came out and i ended up loving him as a character even more.)
Velma, or at least this version of her, is not written as a good arrogant/egotistical character, she is written as a pure asshole who is gross and plays victim when called out on her behavior, she hurts everyone around her and gets no consequences for it.
Finally something to bash at that can also unite everyone all together regardless of difference.
Some facts of sorts.
It should be pointed out that in Mystery Inc. the Scooby gang was the “next gen” trying to solve the main mystery that the last iteration couldn’t solve with some of those old members even helping them out/giving them clues! I recommend that show infinitely more than Velma!
Daphne was the socialite. All the places they went had a connection to her.
Is 100% a Mindy self insert. Apparently she wanted to make a high school original property but HBO didn't want to risk anything without a license behind it so they decided Scooby Doo was a close enough fit.
And ironically, if it had been an original IP it wouldn't have been roasted as badly as it was. Like, it would have been mocked for being bad, but ultimately harmless. 😅
@@BrightWulph yeah. It would have just gone mostly ignored anyway if it weren’t for the combative marketing.
Wanna watch a good mystery cartoon? Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd Century.
Better it be forgotten in peace than zombified through a lisa simpson filter of self righteousness
I vaguely recall the fact there is at least 2 scooby do movies tackling racism
And ffs, the “Chupacabra of Mexico” (the title was something like that) literally addressed the issue of tourism and its effect on the locals. And even shady American companies essentially being slimy to get a cut of the tourism money , regardless of the detriment to the locals.
There’s also several instances of “hey maybe let’s not stereotype people!” by making the gang suspicious of someone, and shaggy and scoot showing no bias- and being right to show no bias, with the gang in the wrong for jumping to conclusions and/or stereotyping someone.
Oh and let’s not forget Mystery Inc that implemented topics for young adults-teens while still being kid friendly.
ALL MOVIES AND THAT VERSION, INCLUDED SCOOBY-DOO so idk wtf they are on about. Sounds more like they didn’t see any prior scooby doo iteration, and if they did, they clearly weren’t paying attention enough to the fact scooby HAS BEEN addressing these issues on a simpler level a kid can understand. Some show iterations might not, but there were plenty of example off the top of my head of ones who did *with scooby-doo*.
The one thing I found funny is that Fred if he wasn’t Fred would be a genuinely intriguing character, He has the motives and the overall mentality because he can’t handle his mother’s death and goes to excuses like her being possessed they also have him being inflicted by his parents where he’s trying to be nice but his parent’s pressure him into being heartless
There's a conspiracy theory that the whole show was originally something else and when Mindy was told it was crap that shouldn't be made, she slapped an established IP on it to ram it through and down everyone's throats instead of letting it die.
As someone who is a fan of Scooby-Doo, if you want a darker and gritty version of Scooby-Doo, then watch Mystery Incorporated!
This show makes Scrappy-Doo look like a Nobel prize winning idea
Facts.
Can we talk about the fact that the editor was just absolutely popping off with the Gmod footage.
To all the people that are complaining that hate watching gave Velma a 2nd season, no that is not the reason why. It's actually standard practice for Warner Bros to give their animated shows 2 seasons that they believe will be a hit. The 2nd season was already in development during the time Season 1 is being aired.
MangaKamen: If you don't follow me on twitter, What's wrong with you?!
Me: I have a brain and I won't follow people who wants to walk into a volcano.
19:41 what is this bullshit about:
“Velma never got any credit.”
She was part of a team, sometimes she was the one who unmasked the monster of the week, and then sometimes it was Fred or Daphne.
At no point was there a point in the show in which she found evidence and one of the others took it from her and said
“Hey, look what I found.”
And trust me, I would’ve noticed if they pulled that.
Because I absolutely despised Inspector gadget when I was little because of that exact premise.
No matter the "Message", a Bad Show is a Bad Show.
you adding the "you are a pirate song" at the end made me wheeze
I was shook because as the episodes came out we sung it while it loaded up
Man, the cases I make for my Convictor Drive group have more depth to them than this show. And one of them was about a crazed e-girl who stole data from entertainment companies via a virus circulated by the server maintenance company she worked for just to try and pressure Twitch into letting her back into the partner program!
25:59 To be fair the whole Scoobi myth was supposedly a psi op, so while the show itself obviously isn’t one there are things surrounding it that can be psi ops
Velma isn't WOKE it's just bad.
I'm glad to see someone not saying Velma being gay is a bad part of the show, I swear the writers have confirmed that the only reason she wasn't more explicitly gay was because of corporate meddling
And because Velma's sexual orientation, as well as everyone else's, is *irrelevant* to the story.
This show has untied everyone with their shared hatred for it.
Honestly I'm pretty sure this script was AI generated in some way or form.
I dunno how to tell you this...no one exists online. Every commenter, blogger, streamer, youtuber, we're all just AI's made to stimulate dopamine for engagement.
@@sunbeames1847 shhh you’re not supposed to let the meat bags know that. Don’t worry human person reading this. Everything is definitely real. Continue existing and creating that sweet sweet electrical inpulses for the machines to definitively not harvest because everything is totes real.
I heard Al G. Rhythm wrote the script for it before the events of Space Jam
I've barely seen much of the show but from what I've seen it seems like it's another one of these shows where it's about someone being a horrible bratty person that hardly ever feels remorse and doesn't often pay the price for it. What's strange to me is that usually when I come across these sort of characters people tend to often like them. Either people's taste for characters have changed or the show is so bad that even things that are normally popular don't even help.
Ngl having a whole new team being mentored by the mystery team would've been so cool, no one would've been mad about Velma destruction of our fav characters, and it would've fit more in line with the spider-verse inspo, the "passing of the torch"
You might think this is stupid, but the best part of the video for me was the "you are a pirate" part with that animation. I grew up watching that show, I hold precious memories, and it just made me laugh. I might have a problem with stupid little jokes like this, but I've already come to terms that I have a child's mind and these kinds of things always makes me laugh.
Anyways, good video S2
I am a new comer to his channel, but the "you are a pirate" is great to watch
Lol, limewire!
That beginning was beautiful, I have never seen such personality, fluid animation and brilliant story writing. Truly a work of art but then again almost anything looks like art compared to certain… shows
I think Velma has made scrappy a beloved character not going to lie
Ok is no one gonna talk about how beautiful that bonus edit of Mando on a rocket with a pirate hat was?!
I'm glad Warner didn't let Kaling drag Scooby into this *&^%show. They'd have made him an unlikeable jerk as well. And that's my biggest problem with _Velma_ : everyone's a selfish jerk who discards people as soon as they've outlived their usefulness, even Norville. The character of Velma gets it the worst out of anyone, including Fred, because she's shown to be a self-obsessed, sociopathic psychopath, who only cares about herself and her interests, including not caring who she hurts to get her way. And for some reason, everyone in the town follows what she says and ends up doing what she says to do, and the two central guys both end up simping for her hard. These aren't friendships or healthy relationships, they're users. People who discard and draw people based on how useful they are.
The next problem I have with _Velma_ is the obsessive sexualization of 15- and 16-year-olds, mostly girls. I have nieces and nephews who are teens and older, so this sort of treatment towards these kids disgusts me. It also doesn't show any respect for them, and it focuses on things that should be irrelevant to the story, and makes creeps out of the characters enjoying it. None of this had to happen, but then Kaling did say she wanted to 'explore the urges of teenagers' or some &^%$ like that. Sounds creepy to me. Did you know that in December 2019, _Rurouni Kenshin_ creator Nobuhiro Watsuki was arrested for possession of child pornography, because in Japan, possession on its own is illegal? After all, buying said material creates more demand, and in order to fill that demand, the people making the videos make more, and to do that, they have to make more victims. Harm is caused. Fortunately Watsuki helped the authorities on their case in cracking the porn ring, and he did community service. What else he did was kept quietly under wraps, and he was allowed to return to work once the authorities had determined he had served his time. So... what should the purveyors of _Velma_ have to do to redeem themselves for creating this animated child porn, I ask you? Yes, they're older than the kids in _Cuties_ , and animated, but it's still disgusting. Especially if it encourages people to creep on kids and/or teens. This sort of thing simply needs to stop, and yet I have a sinking feeling there will be more.
Next, the racism. _Velma_ spends a considerable amount of time attacking white men, but they are not the show's only targets, merely the most frequent targets. Through her character, Mindy verbally attacks Asians, Lesbians, Adults who watch animation, MeToo... basically everyone represented in the show, and some not in it. The show's representations of different groups are not flattering either: As a Black man, Norville is shown leaving his supposed girlfriend and child, and he obsesses endlessly about Mindy's character when all she does is disgusting things. Even Indians, Mindy's own, aren't free of being shown in a poor light, as Mr. Dinkley is shown to be unfaithful, and frequent strip clubs, and deal in drugs. Mrs. Dinkley is a victim to Mindy's character's violence and abuse, and then she disappears, only to reappear as the villain's pawn. Nobody in this show is shown in a positive or heroic light, leaving the potential audience with nobody to root for or hold up as someone whose behaviour they would want to mimic. And because _Velma_ attacks so many people, audience members might feel attacked as well. And it's all presented as okay, even applaudable, because... it comes from a minority, I guess? Being in a minority does not give one license to be a jerk or a sociopath, though, something Mindy apparently doesn't know anything about.
One of the episodes even makes the point that all Mindy has to do is dress as a man to get what she wants and do what she wants, but how is that different from what she was already doing? Also, this episode shows Daphne getting drunk, despite being a minor. And it still manages to get worse. In another episode, a bunch of the teens are pinned by a rock, and Mindy thinks that if the rest of them just let themselves be crushed by the rock, she might be able to get free and live, which she says she should... because she's overweight. Of course none of the others want to die, so they fall the rest of the way into the hole, and survive anyway. And 'Velma's' supposed to be the smart one.
In fact she's not shown to be smart at all. Clues have to be suggested by other characters, or fall right into her lap for her to consider them. If she's the smartest person in town like she wants others to believe she is, it's only by the 'virtue' of everyone being dumber than her. It reminds me of the episode of _ReBoot_ where Enzo wishes he was the smartest sprite in Mainframe, only for everyone's clock speeds to get reduced to below his. The difference between Enzo and Mindy is Enzo realizes how bad it is to have everyone be dumber than him, and rights the mistake. Mindy never corrects hers. She never even accepts responsibility for her mistakes, which end up resulting in several deaths and ruined families. She never gets any consequences leveled against her either, because she's writing the show, so why would she let anything bad happen to her? Everyone else can be miserable when they're trying to get away from her, but she always has to be at the center of everything that's presented as good.
And the calling tropes out bit is meaningless if you fall into them anyway.
Clearly I don't get what Mindy was after, especially considering she has a highly successful career in television. I'm guessing she wanted to make a show like _Riverdale_ , thus highschool, but then there are so many unnecessary things in this show, including the attachment to the _Scooby Doo_ franchise. An original show would have been free of any such attachments, and then Mindy could do whatever and not be judged based on faithfulness to her own series. But she went with this.
And the thing is, I'm not even hate-watching _Velma_ . I got as far as the roaches. Everything else I know about it come from various reviews. I knew even before _Velma_ started throwing hands at people outside of white men, patriarchy, and _Scooby Doo_ that this series was not for me. How much more must those insulted by _Velma_ know this? Oh well. This is a thing that happened. Money was spent on it.
Honestly, I only feel bad for the animators. They put real effort into this.
This touches on a hypothesis I have on part of why anime feels different from 'western' cartoons. The Idea in 'the west' that cartoons are for children has resulted in an artificial bifurcation of 'western' animation where sex, gore, dark/complex subjects, and crude humor are crammed into 'adult' cartoons where it feels like the creators over compensate. While said idea did take root the same way in Japan leading to a more organic maturity gradient
I would argue that some fanfics make this look like it was written by headless chickens
I love how you had the skit at the beginning take place in THE VELVET ROOM OF ALL PLACES
Hmm… seems CZcams is feeling pressure from Hollywood to not be critical of this…
The idea of having a new mystery gang find the old gang and have them be tought is actually a nice idea.
Mystery Inc, a cartoon for teenagers, was more high brow than Velma, an Adult cartoon.
I think it's interesting how children's shows are known for their simple but deep plots, and Adult shows are primarily known for being crass. What irony.
Yep.
Yes algorithm gods, I will re-watch this masterpiece for a second time because you decided to take it down once. Re-liked and everything. lol
To your editor I quote an old friend of mine "You know you have a problem when you find animated woman hot" Funny thing he said that while we were watching Scooby Doo Mystery Inc.
Oh my man you can’t say Yiik around me without cracking me up, loving the content
Glad you enjoyed
And Yiik had better character writing than Velma.
Editor went ham with the pirate part at the end 😄
I legit have a whole rerwite of this saved in the wonderful harddrive called my brain.
We can all agree that this show deserves all the hate it gets
Yes hate the show but as for the person behind the show I'm kind of mix on that
@@animezilla4486 She is a terrible person, though. Check out some of the behind the scenes stuff when it comes to this show.
Every Velma video I see just reminds me that Inside Job is gone, and I die a little more on the inside
18:56 Speaking of Power Rangers, almost every single power rangers team had more personality and depth than the characters in this show.
Not Megaforced. (the pair of silver rangers aside) Though I think OO actually _does_ have more character depth, not really sure, I skipped it except Once A Ranger.
Just going to say, can't unhear "Rhythm Thief But It's Cursed" as it plays.
WOW that's a low blow from CZcams! I haven't even watched the show and I refuse to watch it because of what Mindy Kaling did to destroy these beloved characters! Screw that garbage! (And it doesn't help that a season 2 is being forced out. I am going to wish it gets taken down after the first episode.)
19:10 THATS THE EXACT IDEA I HAD IN MIND. I was thinking maybe that the original scooby doo gang thought that it was time for a new generation of mystery solvers to take their place and maybe own some sort of myster solving academy where students can learn how to solve mysteries from the one and only scooby doo gang. Not only would it shine a new light of personalities and abilities for how mysteries would be solved but also see our beloved characters teach others the ropes on how it’s done. I feel like that would be heart warming to see scooby being some sort of school mascot while shaggy rambles on about food while teaching the kids and Fred just going on about different types of traps.
Honestly I saw the original, but I'ma let this run in the background so you can get your watch time.
Her "Into the Spider-verse" comment really makes it sound like she has never seen animation before.
"It's animation, like that spiderman thing, you can do whatever you want I guess."
I can't wait for wb to make a scrappy doo spinoff show
that would possibly be better then this
@@Leostar-Regalius agree
6:00 I don't think anyone who has seen Velma is allowed to talk crap about Scrappy Doo again
Possible conspiracy theory:
The Real reason Scooby wasn't in the show was because the shitty show they wrote didn't have a dog.
Velma wasn't a Scooby Doo show. It has nothing to do with Scooby Doo beyond a few side references.
Then when it became incredibly obvious that this terrible, hateful, unfunny, garbage show wasn't going to sell to ANYONE on earth (Not even the people who made it, they're too busy jerking off to a mirror), so they changed some names and got a license so they could get some nostalgia, and, primarily, hateviews.
And... It's apparently worked. Really well. Everyone is watching this show to shit on it.
I'm sure it won't last. But short term (And that's all executives care about) it had great viewer count.
You know its a good series when a subtitle screenshot is recognisable 20:15
scrappy doo deserve a apology
This is great, I'm sorry youtube demonatizes everything
''I just wanted to watch my power rangers dammit!''
-Relatable
I like how HBO’s headquarters is the P3 velvet room. Because that place breeds demons
Felt like it should have been in the P5 velvet room because the people who made & approved of Velma should be in jail for it.
@@ricniks4619 Except the MC is the one behind bars in the slammer.
Which ads further symbolism to the corporate vise-like grip
this editor is great! also that ending of you are a pirate just *insert perfect patcha meme*
Who here can agree that season 2 of velma is gonna get even more hated than the first?
Velma is the most i have been bullied so il make a self insert character ever. But the main problem is the whole team working on it seem like a chronically online fan twitter group.
3:26 Was the editor overreacting? Depends on if Kamen forced him to watch Velma or not.
How did the editor get the footage
I’ve realized a thing that kinda irks me: Velma said her mom was missing for two years. However, her dad’s gf Sophie said that they got into a relationship six weeks after Diya went missing. Afterwards resulting in Sophie getting pregnant. And Diya was only discovered about a week after Amanda was born! So either Sophie and Amon were together for an unmentioned 14 months before deciding to have a baby despite Velma mentioning how it basically happened not long after they got together, or the writers just completely oversaw how that line from Sophie kinda ruins the continuity of the show.
I Was NEVER going to support the show; nor pay $16/Month for a Streaming service that Heavily purges its OWN original Content;