PEELING RV FURNITURE? Repair Tips + Charles vs Thomas Payne RV Couch Showdown!
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- Learn why your RV couch may be cracking, peeling and flaking and how to fix certain failures. Then if you want to replace your RV furniture, stay tuned for an in-depth comparison between Lippert’s Thomas Payne and RecPro’s Charles luxury RV sofas.
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Timecodes
0:00 - Intro
0:17 - Why Does RV Furniture Peel?
0:23 - Friction + Pressure + Time
0:37 - Hydrolysis
01:25 - Our Experience
02:04 - How To Fix Your Peeling Issues
02:36 - What Are The Upgrade Options?
03:32 - Thomas Payne vs RecPro
04:01 - Which Models?
05:36 - Difference #1 - Dimensions
06:17 - Difference #2 - Features
08:16 - Difference #3 - Overall Comfort
09:17 - Difference #4 - Shipping & Packaging
10:14 - Difference #5 - Installation
14:34 - Difference #6 - Warranties
15:37 - Difference #7 - Price
17:54 - Outro
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Looking to upgrade or repair your flaking and peeling RV couch? This video is for you.
If you have leather style furniture in your RV, chances are you may have experienced the dreaded cracking, peeling or flaking issue that has unfortunately become a common occurrence for many RV owners.
So what’s going on here? Why does the material peel? There are two common reasons why these materials begin to fail.
The first is simply a result of friction and pressure over time due to heavy and prolonged usage. This is typically referred to as wear and tear and generally occurs in localized sections of the material that see the most friction, such as the seat cushions or leg rests.
But if you’re fairly gentle on your furniture, and yet you’re still seeing peeling and flaking, you may be experiencing the other cause of failure, which is a phenomenon known as Hydrolysis.
Instead of a mechanical breakdown of the material due to pressure and friction, this is a chemical breakdown caused by long term exposure to humidity and heat.
So, what can you do to fix your peeling issues?
For localized failures due to wear and tear, you may want to simply cover the problem areas with a leather repair patch.
But if your material has started to fail due to Hydrolysis, it’s pretty much a runaway train at that point and you may want to consider replacing your furniture.
Two of the most popular options on the market for luxury RV furniture are the Thomas Payne line by Lippert and the Charles line by RecPro.
The 1st difference between these two brands is going to be their specific dimensions. The 2nd difference is their available convenience features. The 3rd difference is their overall comfort. 4th is the way they are packaged and shipped. The 5th difference is their ease of installation. 6th is the length of their warranties. 7th is the difference in price.
After watching the video, would you rather have a Thomas Payne sofa from Lippert of a Charles sofa from RecPro?
What features are most important to you?
Also, feel free to drop any questions you might have in the comments as well and I’ll do my best to get back to you as soon as I can.
#rvfurnitureupgrade #rvlife #rvrenovation
I removed dining area and added a dual reclining sofa with storage and cup holders, with Ashley brand in microfiber. Fit perfect and microfiber will not peel, plus was about $450.
Your videos are simply outstanding! Technically excellent, great info, no silly "comedy" or annoying music etc. Very helpful!
I really appreciate that! I try my best to keep things concise. I’m glad you find them helpful 🙏
I am glad I found your comparison video. I was just doing some research on changing my dinette to a reclining loveseat arrangement. I had no idea that there were such problems with the quality of materials used. The prices are high in my opinion so I will definitely be looking at other options. Lay-Z-Boy where you get quality for the price.
Glad you found the video helpful! Yeah, hoping the updated materials hold up better than the original. Only time will tell!
Great Video. Thank you for sharing your findings.
@@fzt6ktoonolxavbjgv appreciate that! And you’re very welcome!
This is a great video - thank you!! We have already replaced our theater seating chairs due to the peeling. The originals were less than 3 years old. The sofa is now molting and we'll be replacing it soon. The theater seats we bought are the Thomas Payne fabric rather than the faux leather. Now considering taking advantage of the discount for replacing the sofa - this is the first I've heard of their offering discounts due to the peeling. We had received a discount last year because we were at Lippert attending their RV Owner's School and they had a discount as being an attendee. Definitely will look at the RecPro!!
@@rhondameyers1632 you’re very welcome! Sorry to hear about all of your issues but hopefully the new fabrics will hold up!
Amazing video! Just what we needed to learn about replacement options for our peeling Lippert Thomas Payne furniture!!
Glad you found it helpful Chris!
Best video. Very helpful
@@LoriMorgan-jm5vk thanks so much! Glad you found it helpful :)
Excellent video! You do a superb job with all your videos. Your voice is very calm and clear and you get all the details. Thanks again and glad the two companies were willing to go along with it. It’s a very helpful video!
Thank you Christine! So glad you found it helpful. And you’re very welcome :)
Exactly the head to head comparison I was looking for. Great in-depth consideration of the important factors to consider.
Glad you found the video helpful Nathan!
Awesome video, thank you!
You’re very welcome! Hope it was helpful :)
Great review
@@kedkeb thanks! Hope it was helpful!
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Appreciate you bro! Happy to work with both Lippert and RecPro!
Excellent Video. Chris you gave an excellent dissertation and explanation of a problem we've been experiencing with our 2017 Jayco Pinnacle 5th wheel. In fact, we're on the second love seat because the first Thomas Payne love seat failed due to hydrolysis. And now we have the same thing going on. Not sure we're going to replace it with another Lippert but it's good to know there are other alternatives.
Thank you for your help with this issue.
Lou A
You’re very welcome Lou. So glad you found it helpful! Sorry to hear about your experiences so far.
Thanks! Going with rec pro
Sure thing! Hope the video was helpful :)
Great video! Def going to call Lippert on my couch. Here in FL, Hydrolysis hit us hard. Thinking I'd prefer RecPro over all. Thanks so much.
You’re very welcome Joyce! Hope you get taken care of!
Very useful video, thanks! I am in this spot, deciding between Lippert Seismic and RecPro.
You’re very welcome! Best of luck with the decision :)
I would go with RecPro.
Excellent video. Great pace and editing. My Lippert couches are peeling bad (live in Alabama - Hydrolysis). Going to call Lippert and see what they can do for me. It is going to be a big hit because I have to replace the sleeper sofa also.
Thank you Carl! Glad you enjoyed it. Sorry to hear of your issues but hopefully your new furniture lasts much longer!
Great video, I replaced my new factory recliner and a RecPro power recliner. Everything was perfect, shipping was fast and easy to install. I would definitely buy from RecPro again.
Awesome to hear Earl!
Glad I have fabric furniture in my rv.
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Good video, We just replaced the peeling Thomas Payne with the exact same Lippert seating you used in your comparison, We really wanted real leather but could not find it anywhere. We were just at the Tampa supershow and spent time looking at all the companies represented. We ultimately chose the Lippert due to the powered options. That being said we did get it at the show for substantially less than ordering from a dealer around $2000 out the door. Were just keeping our fingers crossed it doesn't start peeling.
Same here! Hopefully the new and improved material holds up as advertised. Glad you enjoyed the video!
Chris! So glad you liked it - great comparison! Let us know if you need anything else!
Thanks guys! I appreciate the opportunity and hope my videos are informative and helpful.
Thanks been struggling with this decision. Going with RecPro😅
You’re very welcome! And you can’t go wrong with RecPro 👍
Great video, I think we are gonna go RecPro fabric cover. Not sure about manual or electric as we do boondock occasionally. Does the power block store power? I know there are battery packs available for reclining furniture so if there is a power outage you can still use it. I might go that route.
Glad you enjoyed the video! I’m pretty sure the power blocks don’t store power. You might also want to look into an inverter as well.
I replaced my rv sofa with RecPro recliners and just like you showed in the video, they suddenly started shedding fabric at about 3 years. We had covers made for the backs of the chairs and tried the stick on fabric on the seats. Not an impressive look but it's functional. The parachute chord for one recliner also broke. My experience with these chairs makes RecPro a no go for us in the future. We are going with a company that uses Ultraleather next. They are pricey but high end and will last.
Sorry to hear that Thomas! Do you know if these were the Suprima Leather or the Ultrafabrics Brisa? And what year did you purchase?
I prefer the RecPro.
Definitely a nice set!
I dodnt notice if you said in the video, did you decide to keep one of those permanently or sample them just for the reviews? Great video. We have a recliner that's started peeling and are looking for options. We are the 2nd owners.
I still have both sets but am currently using the Lippert one because 1. It’s the last one I set up to test and 2. The taller backrest is a good fit for my 6’3” frame. Haha. It is hard to choose though, because the RecPro set is definitely more “comfy” and “soft”. If I was a bit shorter, I think the RecPro would come out on top. My wife definitely prefers the RecPro hands down.
I want to know about that subwoofer setup behind your theater seats😉
Full details about that in our rig tour at right around the 3:30 mark :)
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@@AroundTheSunWeGo Thank you sir! I'll check it out 😉
Great info! Thanks for sharing. What I don't understand is why do you have to be the original owner in order to get any assistance from Lippert?!? UGH! I guess it doesn't matter because I'd go with Rec Pro anyway..
You’re very welcome! And I hear you on the stipulations! But yes, the RecPro couch is definitely a nice set.
I got the recpro quad set up with 9" console and cloth in " fossil" color. It's simply not comfortable. The cloth has a "ruggedized" texture and is not soft and then the cushion is sufficient but on the firm side. So you cant effortlessly slouch on the couch.
Thanks for the heads up on the cloth version! Definitely another factor to consider.
I'm curious if you priced out what it would've cost to have the originals reupholstered in leather?
I personally did not. We wanted to upgrade our entire set to something more comfortable anyway.
Do those recliners have to be mounted into the slide out at all? Also, when you remove you original sofa or recliners, are they mounted to the floor of the slide at all? I want to replace out current couch with recliners, but wanted to know what I am in for as it relates to removal and installation. Thanks so much
Our original sofa was mounted to the floor of the slide out with a few simple screws. The same applies when you install the new ones. Just run a few screws in to keep the set from shifting during travel.
I believe all RV furniture is mounted to the floor for safety reasons.
be interested on the weight electric not much good boundockin
Right around 200lbs for each full set. We have an inverter so all of our outlets are live even when boondocking on battery power, but yes, I could see that being an inconvenience if you didn’t have AC power.
16:05 In your video you said the RecPro warranty for hydrolysis is 7 years. I called RecPro today and they said that 7 years is not the warranty, but the material would last 7 years in testing. Did RecPro tell you it is a7 year warranty for hydrolysis or were you assuming that?
Under the warranty section on the product page, it lists a 5-year warranty on the Ultrafabrics Brisa leather and thread and 7- years for Hydrolysis. If they’re telling you that’s inaccurate, their product page definitely needs to be clarified to reflect that.
Thank you for the contact info and warranty program with Lippert! Much appreciated!!
You’re very welcome Bob! I hope it works out for you!
Have been looking. Prefer Manual, as we go places with no hookups. Also, a "Biggy" , a matching "sleeper" sofa with a bed, no J fold out stuff. If you have a couple to go with you, want them to be comfortable. Seriously, if the RV gets used 5 weeks a year, that is a ton less use than furniture in a house. 10years in the RV = 1Y in the home.
For part time RVers that’s absolutely right! Way less wear and tear. That’s also why hydrolysis is generally the primary destroyer of RV couches. The newest materials should hold up much longer now than they have in the past. Which brand are you leaning towards?
The Sleeper Sofa comes, 60", 65", 80", our space is 78". The RecPro furniture looks nice.
@@johncasey37 Yeah, I would say RecPro’s Charles line is very luxurious looking.
Do you have to use RV furniture ? Can you just use household furniture ?
You can use any sort of furniture you want. Just need to make sure it fits through your doors and allows full closure of slides and things like that. RV furniture is simply designed with RV dimensions and use-cases in mind.
If heat causes peeling why add a heating option 🤦🏻♀️ we paid 40k for our RV, this is such a disappointment. Never agin.
Haha. Adding fuel to the fire. Hopefully the new materials hold up much longer, even after using the heating feature.
We just replaced our sleeper sofa the fabric used was of poor quality. RV sofas are really expensive.
You know what they say! The smaller the house, the bigger the wallet!
RecPro wasn't straight up with you on their claim of zero failures. I'm a RecPro customer and their warranty replacement has failed and peeled just as bad as the original I bought in 2019. I haven't been able to use them for 2 years without the fabric failing miserably. On the upside, their warranty replacement was easy and pretty painless. But since the warranty replacement also failed... I'll be looking elsewhere.
Interesting! Which material did you have? The Suprima or Ultrafabrics Brisa?
@@AroundTheSunWeGo Brisa
@@fireincumbents Good to know! Thanks for commenting about your experience!
I would choose RecPro.
Nice! Any particular reason?
@@AroundTheSunWeGo I would choose RecPro, great customer service and fast shipping, all pieces nicely packed.
Is there no repair? Have Recpro just happening on the headrest of the one I don’t use.
If it’s under warranty I’d contact RecPro. If not, you can use the leather repair patch I mention in the first half of the video.
I just opened a case with Lippert on my peeling theater seating. They advised me that its out of warranty, but they still want me to send in all the info so hopefully they will give me a nice discount. Has anyone received a discount from Lippert?
If you’re the original owner and within the time window, you should be good to go. I do know of many, many people who have gotten the discount. Let us know how it goes!
Even out of warranty, Lippert said I qualify for 50% off a new one. There is a business in MN that is selling surplus thomas payne furniture and they have the one that is currently in my camper, but for $300 more I can get one from Lippert with a 5 year warranty and power recline.
@@maximus2169 Nice. Glad to hear!
Duct tape... it comes in a variety of colors now.
lol. Touché.
Why do they even use it if they know it will peel so quickly?
A good question indeed! But hopefully the new materials they use now are much better.
Bonded leather is a cheap substitute, not just RV furniture that uses it. It is at every furniture store and Walmart, don’t buy bonded leather.
As long as the covering lasts as long as the structure, I’m cool with it!
So…you didn’t address the peeling ?
Say what now?
THANK YOU!! Couldn’t figure out why my furniture is ruined, I thought rats attacked it.. This is horrible that Thomas Payne doesn’t do right by their product.
You’re very welcome! And yes, a lot of people feel that way. Fortunately they’re offering the extended discount option and hopefully their new material holds up better. But RecPro is a great option for those who are ready to move away from Thomas Payne.
I sure appreciate your descriptive & thorough post, but I won’t give Thomas Payne another damn nickel..
Rat Bastards sold junk & they know it.. They should do right & recall their greed. I will contact them, but they won’t do zip.. Grand Design in general should be ashamed, so many issues I’ve had at my expense.
This is a known problem in the industry. It was caused by poor quality material choice from the furniture manufacturers. It is not a wear and tear or humidity/heat issue.
These poor quality materials are susceptible to premature wear and tear and hydrolysis from humidity and heat. The newer materials are of higher quality, therefore delaying the onset of these common issues.
Cheap chinese junk at premium price. Years ago non leather couches lasted
The premium RecPro material is made in Japan.
Everyone jumping ship on Lippert 😂. What you may not know is Lippert at lest offered a discount to unsatisfied customers. RecPro told all their customers to just suck it up. After 1200 dollars just 2 years ago my recliners look like they are disgusting 20 year olds. Almost all of the fake lather has pealed off. The floor is covered in peace’s. Now I am having to look again. I have no desire to give RecPro another dime of my money yet, my options are limited.
Interesting! I haven’t heard a lot of horror stories about RecPro. Do you know which version you have? And did you contact RecPro about the problem? What did they say?
Thomas Payne in the Ass. So much wasted energy making the kids use the couch carefully just to have it torn to shreds anyway within a year is ridiculous. I dont want a couch with lights, vibrators and heat. I just want something that can be sat on comfortably. Why does that cost a thousand dollars?! I unplugged all that crap right away. Still have a cup holder that cant hold a coffee mug nor do i have end tables. Weird designs when it comes to sofas.
@@nickisabelle724 I know a lot of people that feel the same way! What year is your couch?