2016 Ram Promaster EcoDiesel Towing Preview
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- ( www.TFLtruck.com ) The 2016 Ram ProMaster commercial van has a 3.0L EcoDiesel engine, but it's not the V6 you may be used to. It's a 4-cylinder and it's backed by a 6-speed automated manual transmission. Check out this towing preview.
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TFL Truck, now with this review coming, please get us a review on the Nissan NV, and Ford Transit! IT will be awesome to see a battle of the vans!
+John B We agree! However, Nissan and Ford need to be convinced of this. We have tried over the last 2 years, but no luck so far.
They are afraid that the true, will come out.
The Fast Lane Truck Apparently, 4 years later they are not convinced yet
It might be worth noting that this is the Iveco / Fiat Commercial diesel that you would find in the Mitsubishi Fuso class 3,4 and 5 cabover commercial trucks in the US. It is a real workhorse. There is a lot of freight moving around the world behind that engine. I'm still not sure about this automated manual transmission, but they are starting to make their way into the commercial courier market so if they end up being a horror story it won't be a secret for long.
As always, great video!
Awesome video!
Thank you for this video.
I’m looking at one of these now.
Just got one, so happy
Bought it!
can you guys do an mpg test of the tacoma, super duty, and colorado?
Do this van in the Ike Gauntlet at max tow capacity. Thanks!
you should be able to lower the seat. .. it adjusts up and down a lot. the only problem I have is the a-pillar can block the view sometimes.
You need to get ahold of one and do and MPG test on both the diesel and the gasser
I would like to see a comparison between this and the new Sprinter/Metris
Unser Duc rennt mit 1to Ladung 180 km/h und im Winter ist er mir eh der liebste.
150 ps / Duc Maxi/ Luftfederung
What was the mileage on that data sheet with the price?
Any upcoming 4x4 vans that can tow a 10000lbs trailer? Thx
I like to imagine automated manuals are shifted by a tiny robot with arms and legs pressing a clutch and shifting like a person for you.
+Kamaka Chang What a brilliant idea. I love it !!!!
MrKeyboardCommando It's a robotically controlled manual and he's working hard for lazy butts that can't drive manual XD
Kamaka Chang The USA is full of people who can't drive a manual. Those poor robots will be worked to death.
***** On that point I am in total agreement with you.
***** True there is no need to drive manual, but it's a lot of fun.
I know the diesel promaster's at least the one I saw did not have a parking gear you had to use the emergency brake
SO is the ECO diesel basically a "copy" of a Cummins 4BT being a 4cyl?
Bring back the Dakota and throw that diesel in it!
+P Pha Hell yes!
P Pha well now that is a good swap idea I could never do :(
Wonder why they didn't use the 4BT?
Very cool vid!! I think these 4 cylinder diesel vans are a great idea. Ram/Fiat is coming out with some good stuff here.
"Compact!!" That would truly be awesome bro. What do ya think about the Chevy Colorado diesel..? I think they left a lot to be desired. Its bloated, ground clearance is too low, and has electric power steering module located on the belly. Not cool!
Unfortunately, I think the only way we're gonna get compact diesel pickups for $25k is to either hop in a time machine or move to Venezuela. Neither one of those options are viable for me man!! :-/
+Night Fury Venezuela is lucky to be able to import enough toilet paper these days.
And here I am sitting on allll this toilet paper and all I want is a Toyota Hilux or a diesel Cruiser lol
You should do a tow test with a Chevy Express 3500 with the Duramax.
maybe tank abrams it better
You guys are lucky, all this torque and horse power even in your low end commercial vehicles like this never mind things like the 7.3 Ford and 6.9 Cummins etc over here in the UK we get things like my LDV Maxus van with a 4 cyl 2.5litre Turbo Diesel with 95bhp! and that's a 3500kg van fully loaded! Even worse I used to drive a Vauxhall Movano(basically a French Renault) with a 2.5litre naturally aspirated diesel engine with just 80bhp!
Can you tow a car with the pro master?
these are great but I did a video on some annoying quirks about it. It definitely has a few. I didn't even list all of them
if that transmission is a ZF-one, its allright, if it is Magnetti-Marelli, run...run...run for your life away
Italian engine and transmission here
Anyone else notice the 6k-7k redline?!? 3:19
you like this over the metris?
metris using premium gas
With gas so cheap now, and diesel not too far from it, the payback on the enormous premium for the diesel is a long, long time and many miles down the road. If gas were way up there like not too long ago - certainly a different argument. But the gas version's the way to go economically unless towing's a requirement.
All dual-clutch transmissions are automated manuals, but not all automated manuals are dual clutches. same concept as all toads are frogs, but not all frogs are toads...or all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are square.
Toad is appropriate!
What was your average Mpg during the test?
+Andreas Modl We only drive the van about 10 miles at various speeds, so we could not get any kind of accurate MPG readings.
+The Fast Lane Truck you guy are using final cut pro ......
I average 19-21 with a heavy load of tools and materials in beltway rush hour traffic. I have 15, full height, full length.
FIAT DUCATO CITROEN JUMPER PEUGEOT BOXER
This is much cheaper than the sprinter; sprinter only starts at $40k (base).
So diesel engines don't need EPA figures? Kind of hard to know if the price premium is worth it with no data available. Thanks Truck Lobby!
Unloaded, that thing will get 28mpg diesel. I own 2 gas promasters, 22mpg under ideal conditions, down to 19 in winter. Diesel is 60 cents more expensive right now, and that engine costs 4000-5000 extra. Run the numbers, and the gasser is a much better option. More importantly, when it comes time for repairs, any boob that can work on a minivan can work on the gasser, but you are married not only to the dealer for the diesel, but married to the Ram Commercial franchise dealer, of which there's rarely more than 1 per city. Not only that, but just because the sign says that dealer is trained to work on this oddball engine, doesn't mean they know a damn thing about it. On the gasser, your parts will be coming from Autozone, on the diesel your parts will be coming from Turkey. I have 226k on one of my vans, 200k on the other. I've had some problems, but they mostly have been rock solid.
This is considered a commercial vehicle under EPA regulations so it doesn't fall under the CAFE rules and therefore does not receive an official EPA fuel rating. The same is true whether gasoline or diesel powered.
very telling they chose not to load nearly to claimed capability
Are the parts fiat>>????? from Italy? or parts from Mexico or the USA?
Too bad no one makes a 4×4 Cargo van :( construction sites are sometimes loaded with mud and snow I know the Mercedes Benz Sprinter is available but I don't have that kind of money
The Transit is available in 4wd. The factory sends it to an upfitter for that.
This is an americanized Peugeot Master
Engines like this one in Europe tow 7 tons gross, van plus 3.5t trailer like real trucks but faster with no problems..
We routinely haul 3,000 lbs of more of cargo in ours and it has no problem with it. The 3.0 Fiat Commercial engine powers it much better than I expected. I do wish they offered a different transmission with it in the US though. The automated manual is not so great.
1guyin10
Yeah,but its a industrial style transmission to work with the torque of the diesel. Diesel torque will ruin standard automatics. They don't like the torque.
f150 xl extended cab w 8' bed and tall camper shell wins $$ .
What the hell is wrong with the entire front half of this thing?
your elbo seems go be resting in the passenger seat
fiat- nuff said!
Fix
It
Again
Tony
!!!!!!!
I wish they would offered with a regular stick shift instead of that clunky "automated manual". Those transmissions always suck.
Yes. Autoshifts suck especially in semis but not quite as bad as a full automatic
I drive one for work in the UK with a Manual but it is the 2.0 HDI 130HP 320nm engine Considering it's power it's surprisinly fast 112mph flatout and constant 30mpg cruising at 90mph
@@Mr330d UK gallons ? US gallon is smaller.
Transmission is worst than the 1st gen smart car.
they sell this with a Citroen badge in the UK
+Joseph West Are you sure about that ? I'm not saying you're wrong, it's just that I didn't know FIAT shared with PSA. This van looks like a FIAT Ducato.
+MrKeyboardCommando its the Citroen relay after having another look it may not be the same but may have similar parts
Joseph West To be honest, all the vans of this size look more or less the same.
+MrKeyboardCommando
No, Fiat didn't. It's the PSA shared with Fiat actually. Google for Peugeot Boxter/Citroën Jumper - they had two generations. Fiat Ducato is a rebadged version of the second generation of that couple.
***** Thanks for the information, it's appreciated. To be honest, there's so much sharing between manufacturers these days, I lose track.
better peugeot boxer turbodiesel
sooo why not just get an f150 for that price, heck any pickup truck?
+AMGV Media I will never get why pickups are preffered over vans in US: You can't really carry much stuff around in a pickup out in the elements, they have small beds compared to the footprints, adding a top creates quite small cargo area that is rarely sealed from outside. They are good for towing or off-roading though, something rarely seen in a van and modern pickups received car-like interiors. Is it all about the looks of the pickup?
+AMGV Media Because this will haul as much as a pickup, in an enclosed space.
Its pretty much like saying "Why not buy an F150 instead of a Sprinter".
mibars there are caps that you can put on a pickup, and some pickups come with 8 foot beds on them. that and they are 4 wheel drive, have V8 options, tow more and the engine isn't tucked so far back as they are in a van, so things aren't as hard to get to
Those "caps" is what I was referring to as "tops" and I haven't seen one in which one can easily stand or have a usable side door. 8 foot is usually the longest option in a pickup. Just about the shortest one you can get in a van, while van is shorter overall
AMGV Media
A V8 is going to kill your fuel economy, and you dont need 4wd in what is essentially a delivery van. The promaster has it as an option though, and its pentastar V6 nearly makes 300 horsepower, which is more than enough power.
And as mibars said, you can have a longer cargo space than offered for a pickup, for a shorter overall van.
I'ts one of ours funcking europe Peugeot old van rebranded guys... lmao (search Peugeot boxer van)
I have heard driving this thing is scary as hell. Especially when trying to pass or if u pull out in front of somebody. It changes gears like your grandma
You need to now how drive, I have for year diesel PM its change lane very fast.
Yep! Great grandma actually!
@@jeffmiller3150 I can’t believe I made this comment six years ago
Chip it. It definitely has shift lag and aint quick out the gate.
I'm hoping to chip mine.
Seems like a Citroën...
Basically a Citroen Relay
The transmission drops down in RPM with the shifts to make use of the power band in the diesel engine. Diesel power is all in the lower RPMS. This guy was driving it like a gas vehicle. He doesn't understand diesel power.
Or maybe it was struggling to pull the load?.
What you said makes absolutely no sense!!
@@jeffmiller3150 Hi Jeff. That's because you have no experience with driving diesel powered vehicles.
CVTs are bad but automated single-clutch manuals are the worst.
yikes
Seriously!? 42 000USD for the 3 liter Diesel!? That´s insane! Even the base price of 30 000USD is much! Are they plated with gold or something? In Norway, a country known for expensive cars, the RAV4 has the same base price in Norway as the Sequoia has in USA.
BUT! Over here the RAM is called Peugeot Boxer. We can buy it as a Fiat and a Citroen aswell, but most of them are Peugeots. The base price for the same engine version of this is 42000USD over here. (Not included Mva. Companies don´t pay Mva.) I know this is base price, but that is with high roof and second from longest body. The bottom of the range, low roof and short body cost 31 200USD(Still no Mva, also 2.2 Diesel). How come they are so expensive over there? For the 3.0 we pay like 12 000USD in taxes. Still it´s just pennies more than what you pay. I´ve always been told there are no taxes on cars in the US. is this not true after all?
Is it really a 3.0 I4? That's crazy for a modern car.
+headcas620 Why it's crazy ?
there all rusted the hell already in the midwest, i seen 1 of these 2 yrs old already rusted through,its like they were rusting from the factory!
+Game Bred Duramax hard to believe in that.
don't lay her please
Are you sure your not thinking of a Sprinter? I’ve seen those rust faster that a Toyota frame.
I'll take the Ford Transit over this.
I do not recommend purchasing a ProMaster from Dodge. The ProMaster breaks down often mainly with transmission or hydraulic cooling unit issues. We have had two of these for our company and they both have literally been in and out of repair for a complete here now. We have one sitting at a Dodge dealer under warranty for 3 months and they still cannot get the parts for the hydraulic cooling unit. Bad deal. You deserve a class action lawsuit over this one.
Are you referring to the gas or diesels?
I have a 2014 diesel 2500 promaster. 115k miles and doing great.
Got it as a rear end total, previous owner used it as a camper and loved it.
I've never liked the word "Eco" Diesel. What's so "eco" about diesel, anyway?
DEF you not smell diesel
Ah! Ok. If only more vans were available with diesel engine as an option.
Jason Carpp "Eco" is used often in describing diesel because Diesel engines are much more efficient than gasoline engines and therefore produce far less Co2 whilst requiring less oil to be used to fuel the vehicle. Less oil needed so better for the environment hence "Eco"
How is that possible? To be fuel efficient and better for the environment? I like to breathe clean air as much as anyone, but I was told when I was growing up that gasoline burns cleaner than diesel, and therefore, is better for the environment.
Jason Carpp The laws of thermodynamics show that Diesel engines are far more efficient than gasoline engines, it is the reason diesels were originally developed. As others have posted about this video this van will give you about 28 mpg compared to its gasoline equivalent only giving you about 22 mpg which is a 27% improvement. Gasoline engines produce far more of the deadly gas CO, carbon monoxide than diesel and produce very small particulates which it is believed can cross into your bloodstream unlike the larger soot particulates produced by pre DEF fitted diesels. Diesels are far from perfect but given their lower use of fossil fuels must be better overall for the environment than gasoline.Here in the UK there is no such thing as a gasoline, petrol, engined commercial vehicle on sale, everyone uses diesel. Currently about half of all car sales are diesel engined in the UK.
Miss the old vans, I like the 2016 Ford Transit wagon but this is plain ugly
needs a v6 or a supercharger it is not powerful van
I just come back from trip 6500 miles 16 states , PM doing very well in mountans. its totally powerfull
Powerful enough anyway. It is a van, not a sports car so blistering acceleration is not a requirement.
The 3.0L diesel is turbocharged. The 3.6L gasser is naturally aspirated.
HA HA! Oversized FWD minivan.
The Ford Transit crushes this thing.
If you are working in snow and ice. I'll take the promaster with the front wheel drive.
William Ryan the Fords been plagued with problems! That 3.2 Diesel has injector issues.
i can imagine the nightmare this will be to work on
Move over, Pontiac Aztec, you've just just been kicked off your perch as the ugliest modern, US-made vehicle..
+Hiluxtaco
Actually I dont mind the styling, but for the new crown winner replacing the aztek, I am having trouble deciding between this one:
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And this one:
www.google.com/search?q=ssangyong&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAmoVChMI2fCY8ojtyAIVQ7IUCh3WEQaZ&biw=1366&bih=643#tbm=isch&q=ssangyong+actyon
Warning: Bleach is recommended after seeing these images.
+Superfartz Neither of these two (ugly) vehicles are available in the US, though..
+Hiluxtaco are these fiats america made or just the engines?
+davide30541 The ProMaster is built in Mexico. The gasoline V6 and its mating 6 speed automatic are made in the US, while the 3.0 diesel with the robotic 6 speed is a Fiat Commercial/Iveco powertrain that comes from Italy.
+danturbo316 The new Ford and Mercedes Benz vans have a much more attractive front end..
My god, could they have possibly made that any uglier? Reminds me of that hideous Fiat Multipla.
+Biker Jim its based on the Fiat Ducato
+Lukas Smit It is Fiat Ducato, just rebadged. Radio/nav is different, missing a cargo divider (it looks like serious safety issue!), some extra USDM lights and that's it. A Ducato for America.
+Biker Jim They are very much love it or hate it looks. I happen to think it looks great :3
I think ford econoline ugly van.
Sergei Borisov
The econoline looks good for a van, for most years anyhow.
1st
+mitchell jacksic Congratulations !!!!
This is nothing more than a sevel van (fiat ducato / peugeot boxer / citroen jumper), with iveco 3.0l engine
These are absolutely hot garbage, buy at your own peril!!
Lol this is the Multijet engine and it's not reliable and when will they put the new design like the European version
It's one of the best diesels and it's used since years on the Mitsubishi Fuso and Canter, Iveco Daily and on some Mercedes trucks. Not new in the States.
That thing is UGLY!
+pashastookie Yeah, well, I didn't notice it begging you for a date !!!!
+pashastookie Correction, its styled by fiat ;3
Christ, $5,145 for a stupid 4 cylinder diesel!! Seriously, people need to get over this Euro diesel fad and realize how wheezy and ridiculously overpriced they are.
my company cut fuel price in half with this engine.
+Mike Zeke In half, but you don't say what vans you were using before.
+emdec55 econoline 350 gas motor
+Mike Zeke The Econoline is a dinosaur, it's heavier, RWD, and it's powered by a much larger engine. Of course you'll see better mileage, but that's not an apples to apples comparison. If your company had a Pentastar and an EcoDiesel in your fleet, that would be a fair comparison.
+emdec55 I don't know hard numbers on the ford transit hd, but the nv is far from efficient
Man this is one of the ugliest cars i ve ever seen :-)
That has got to be the most ugliest vehicle I have ever seen.
Well princess they have a model with ribbons and bows just for you pumpkin!