ace fabella Totally agree. He's very articulate and honest/impartial in his reviews and way more skilled than most skaters out there so he can cover a lot of ground in terms of product quality on different terrain. Very rare combination
i switched to suspension trucks because i had ankle surgery (right ankle (flip foot (goofy footed)) not from injury, i had a tumor), and honestly, imo, they're the reason i can still skate. grinds and slides are harder at first, and the turning circle has a different dynamic to them compared to regular trucks, but i found after a week i got totally used to them. The bouncy/softness of them makes skateboarding much less straining on my ankle. Most find them weird/a novelty, but for me, it saved me from not being able to skate, so personally i think they're a winner, but im in a different situation than most. Im also 29 going on 30 this year, so ageing/slower healing is a factor that these trucks i honestly feel help me with. I am considering purchasing another set in case Avenue fold (i hope they stay around!) But all in all, good review. Thumbs up to you for the vid!
Maybe your muscles had atrophied from the recovery and you felt the cushion helped? in my experience cushion tend to mess with the strength of your muscles, that's why after Nike introduces heel cushions for running injuries have skyrocketed.
@@alpacamale2909 That's not all why; cushions don't make your muscles weaker. Bill Bowerman put giant cushions in the heels of Nike shoes because he was teaching his athletes to run heel-toe and wanted a shoe to facilitate it without pain. These giant heel cushions then facilitated heel striking for the masses, which obviously doesn't work for those who are built for forefoot striking and leads to injuries. They change your gait, not your strength.
I have supported Avenue ever since they started selling their suspension trucks, and I have both liked and disliked the truck. I really enjoy the fact that it is an innovation and I think that is sometimes needed in the somewhat conservative skate community. :-) When I first tried them I loved them instantly. I used them primarily for street skating, nothing super technical, but a combination of kickflips, varial flips, bs flips, tre flips etc. I never skated ledges that much, with the exception of the occasional 50-50. Whenever I tried skating a regular stiff truck I thought it felt super awkward and strange and not as good as the suspension trucks at all. I think that equals your initial reactions when trying the trucks, like you said if you get used to them, you may not want to get back to a regular stiff truck again. I skated Avenue for well over a year, and the majority of the skating featured in our small channel is skated with the suspension trucks. I totally loved the trucks, but I could be because my skating at the time suited the suspension trucks. When I switched to indys, and later to Thunders it was primarly to save weight, and now after having skated those trucks for about a year I think the suspension trucks feel super weird again! xD I really liked your review, it felt really in depth and objective and I think that you raised some good questions about the trucks. I totally agree with the fact that they don't seem to turn as well as your avarage indys or Thunders. I also regognize the feeling of not being totally connected to the ground when skating, which can be a serious issue. That though can also depend very much on the weight factor. The suspension truck is basically a shock absorber, and the more weight one puts on it the more it will compress and decompress. I weigh 75kg and I don't feel the suspension effect that much and the lower your weight is the more I think the truck will feel like a normal stiff truck because it will compress way less. I don't know how much you weigh Ben, but you seem like a tall guy, so I am guessing that you weigh a little more than me. And that is a "problem" with these trucks I guess, everyone will experience them differently. Anyway, awesome review, probably the best I have seen regarding these trucks!
Thanks Magnus! I think they are a super cool innovation too. I'm not sure if they will ever replace your standard truck but I think they do have a place in the market. They were pretty fun. The novelty just wore off once I started to see the potential liability in trying to re-learn how to do my tricks on them. It didn't seem worth the risk.
Avenues are no innovation , the exact same design and principal was done in the late 70s , early 80s and called something else.....they were a gimmick then as they are now....will go through my old Skateboarder and Action Now mags and post the ad here...
Got an opposite experience here. After watching this review decided to try a regular trucks, bought myself a pair of Indys 149, and at first it was kinda fun experience to feel a board like a solid object under my feet. Especially shuvits felt super funny to throw around, but was missing that springy feeling. So I'm a beginner skateboarder myself and had zero experience with normal trucks before, went from longboard trucks straight to avenue. Have been cruising them around for a year and a half and eventually got sucked into skateboarding, bought small soft wheels ricta 52 and started to learn ollies, fs180 etc... have a lot of fun skateboarding and learning new tricks since. Still amazes me how skateboarding is so adaptable to everyone preferences (wheelbase, board width, length, trucks, bushings, even grip tape man the possibilities are limitless nowadays).
I remember hen I was 13 or 14 my parents got me some titan ti-lites. And even as light as I was they would get stuck on grinds and pop me off of grinds. They we're springy too.
Ben always does really good honest reviews and this seems like a fair review. These trucks would indeed totally rule on a cruiser board. I’m glad they exist.
I think you for making all these vids! I'm 33 and slowly progressing back into riding while juggling work and all the fun adult stuff. Its just cool to hear someone my age review products that understands that our bodies work different than younger cats lol. Keep making good content friend!
Ben thank you for such a great video on the avenues trucks. Now I can really see how they really are hard to stay consistent with due to the spring, etc. I thought I was going crazy trying to just ollie around but couldn't land them like I used to. So I'll throw them on a cruiser board which is gonna be awesome but I'll stick to thunders for tricks.
@@russelljazzbeck absolutely. It's a really simple suspension system. It absorbs shock and vibration so that your throwing more of your energy forward instead of the ground hitting back at you. I basically only cruise, which is why I've only ever put these trucks on my short boards.
Excellent, in depth, careful review! I am partial to the Avenues, but then again I can't really skate. I love the smoothness, and it helps me keep a cruiser board as an allarounder. The smoothness on rough ground is just excellent. Today regular trucks feel like solid steel to me. Even with rubber shock absorber. But this review most likely nails the nature of Avenues: disconnected from ground, and extra movement adds inconsistency to tricks. But then they are smooth, and should even be grinding smoother. But as Prodigal Sun said in his video, the very same extra movement makes them more unstable on the coping. I believe that is why your rail tricks kept falling off: the baseplate twists and isn't true through the movement. Many kids who have tried mine, still flip them easily, in normal easy tricks. I still love them for my allarounder / cruiser. :-) And learning more detailed stuff on hard trucks.
Thank you for this. I have been riding these Ave for awhile and then decided to go back to Thunder. Went skating with Thunder and oh my god my consistency jumped thru the roof !
Hi Ben bought these trucks at the start with delivery to Russia by past all the advantages that you call I would note that they are very good at downhill Board does not shake(when the descent feel comfortable and stable) and they are amazing for technical power slides , because the Board is pressed and then bounces easier and softer. But I changed them to Indy because I don't like how they get Ollie. In my opinion they are best for technical slides, freeride, cruising and downhill.
Great Review, Very Thorough And Honest, I Appreciate It, Because I Have Really Been Thinking Of Getting A Set And Now I Think I Will Just Stick To What I Already Love. Great Video And As Always Keep Shredding Bro 😎
I use them because they really ARE easier on the knees. I started my CZcams channel at 41 as a beginner skateboarder and I can really feel the difference. No pain after a skate session at all! With that said the 2 factors that deter me from buying them again are 1) I broke 3 trucks (doing basic beginner tricks) and 2) They are waaay to expensive So I've decided after this pair breaks (it won't be long) I am going back to Indys.
@@skateordie9628 could you not replace them with alt hangars or a inverted kingpin like grind kings and have you tried the 2.0 version yet, gonna cxheck yourchanel now, i wanna 3d print titanium trucks ut the machine is mad expensive as are these tucks ut iuf ypu have spare its you dont use could you e interested in helping me redesihn them cos ive only een skating since like 20 and im now 2 ut i am noticing how it hurts to drop from such heights! and coming out the owl or vert seems scary af ut i wanna try vert
@@tobiasphillips7359 I tried replacing but nothing else fits. It seems each truck company has their own measurements. I sent them the broken ones back and they sent me the new version as replacement. It took a lot of arguing and a few months but it still was a nice gesture. Tose new trucks are holding so far.
the 2nd version of the suspension truck is coming out soon. they have improved. you should email them and try to get your hands on a pair the FEATURES: - 11% lighter than the original GEN 1 - Reinforced kingpin design for added strength - Reinforced hanger design for added strength - Refined baseplate design for increased longevity and strength - Increased grind clearance - Chromoly hollow axle - Lightweight silver coated magnesium hanger - Black polished high-compression carbon steel baseplate
I had these trucks on a regular street deck and also an "inbetweener" cruiser, and I had most of the same issues, the noseslides and tailslides feel so gross. I did switch them to a cruiser recently and they are great. With a couple risers they actually turn really sharply, without wheelbite, as long as you don't mind pushing from a couple extra mm's height they are a perfect truck for a cruiser board, you can actually get slightly harder wheels then you might normally run on a cruiser. I've got skinnier 86a's, over the wide 78a(?) wheels I had before
Love how detailed your reviews are, def the best out there! Don't think these trucks will catch on though, the sight of them alone makes me shiver haha! Have you ever skated tensors? Always wondered how those skate...
This was an awesome in-depth review, thanks. 15:05 I would agree that it is going to be a big marketing focus but I am not sure about the 9/10 tricks being landed on the ground makes the impact reduction aspect immaterial. I say this because when landing on solid ground you have the luxury of diverting some of that downward momentum into horizontal momentum through steps and rolls -- the same way freerunners reduce impact. When landing on a skateboard it seems to me like the exact opposite because you don't want the board to fly out from under you. That's only gripe though, the whole video was so thorough and awesome.
I agree that this was a good review but I didn't agree with his comment about impact reduction. Obviously they company was not suggesting that when you DON'T land on the board, the trucks will help you. I agree it is a point to consider because they won't reduce it a lot but I don't feel it is a marketing gimmick to mention it. Obviously they can't say "This will help you reduce impact when you actually only land on your board 10% of the time." Too negative and takes too long to say
Finally a 100% honest and non biased review on those! Question: what trucks would you recommend for a 31 year old getting back to skating? I managed to refresh all my basics so far, I just need a good new all round truck. Was thinking about getting Avenues but after your review: not so much :D
Thanks for the answer, I actually just watched your vid on Indy vs. Thunder comparison and I am going for Indys Forged Titanium, can't go wrong with that I guess :)
Novelty euphoria. Good wording for explaining it. I skated them for a few months and then skated a normal board and immediately realised I didn’t like them anymore.
What a wonderful review! Most of what I do is limited to tick-tacking and cruising. Mr. Degros, since you're not going to use them again, could you give those trucks to me? They sound perfect!
Hahahahahaha do you have a channel Vancouver carpentry? I just realized how familiar the two guy/one you sound and look. Like to watch both channels keep up the good work😁
Bought some avenues maybe a few weeks ago and can only share some of your experiences. Until now I never had a wheel bite with a wheel size of 53mm but I also use some the hard dohdohs /no riser pads. Until now I can only say... What a cool truck. Smooth, no noise or any sounds, stable. I don´t skate transition but... one of Andy Shrock guys swears on them when skating transition so i guess it highly depends on personal preference if you find them comfortable? - My impression is: the truck turns in tighter angles than my venture and my independent trucks (no transition) but with hard bushings you can get good control over them. I personally don´t see any separation. I only see less vibrations... and god knows on european streets this is a good thing^^ have a good one mate. cheers
Hey, Ben. Great all-around review for these trucks! I am a Mechanical Design Engineer and I believe you really did an amazing job in explaining what they are good for AND not. I like your assessment for the best application for them. I am looking at trying them myself for cruising around on a Landyacht 35 Switch I use for carving, pumping and pushing around. Question, do you know what the angle of the base plate is? I currently use Bear Grizzly 852s which have 52 degrees base plates and I think they are awesome! If you get some time or curiosity strikes you like me could you compare the angles for us and post your findings? Thanks for this thorough review!
thank you for this ben! I have been considering getting these, but now i definitely will not be. I like thunder, and indy, but I am considering getting mag light tensors. Getting older, I want a lighter board, but its hard to choose. I love most things about thunder, but don't like how they don't give me much of a tail or nose, because of how far apart they are in distance compared to indy. i feel indy has a better turn, and help my flip tricks because they are closer together. I like doing manuals on thunder more, but never tried tensor.
tried them once, i didn't really like them, i hate the sound of them, sounded like a boat or something. i also did not like the turn. the dude that had them loved them to death, he didn't skate anything else. only thing i enjoyed was how smooth the riding felt. in every review i see on them people say that they don't feel gimmicky, i disagree strongly. i don't think that avenue will ever become the standard like indy and thunder, since they have been around for so long and people have gotten so used to that feel.
I wouldn't say the trucks themselves are gimmicky. They should be in their own class of truck not trying to say it's better than a conventional truck. I would say the advertising is super gimmicky
How did they do on nose and tail slides because that pivot cup thing on those truck looks weak, does it bend when you do nose and tail slides, I've been thinking about getting them
Those weren’t slides...they were grinds! Basically what you have on these trucks is hanger grinds and baseplate grinds. 13:02 I thought, “I didn’t know there was such a thing as a chunky slide!” Then I realized those were not chunky tail slides. They were tail baseplate grinds. BTW - It’s refreshing to watch such an impartial and informative review!! Good job on organizing your thoughts and findings.
It was a truly unpleasant feeling slide (when it even would slide). I'm really surprised that it was never mentioned in any reviews I watched. I'm onto the flight deck. Just a few more weeks and I will be onto the next project! I'm pretty excited about it:)
That’s why your reviews are so valuable! Solid objective reviews with no ties to the manufacturers produce some very interesting results that are hard to find in a sponsored review. Keep it up and enjoy the process as much as you can:) Looking forward to the flight deck review for sure!
Always been interested in trying these out. Don’t think I’ll ever buy them tho. I’m surprised they’re heavy I would have thought the opposite. Great review Ben thank you 👍🏻
i use risers with these, tho i have the Gen2 version. I like them but its really annoying to have every person asking what they are cause when I tell them they are skeptical as hell. lol but i do love the extra bit of speed they give you
Hey there, I know this video is a little old but I trust your opinion more than the marketing team. I've been skating for about 6 months with my twin 9 year old daughters when they came to me asking for their first completes and I'm an old man at 37. I only skated a little bit as a kid. Without going into detail, I have some degenerative spine problems that don't preclude me from skateboarding in and of themselves but sometimes the impact from even flat ground ollies can over a few days cause muscle spasms that can put me out for a few days to a week. Transition skating so far hasn't caused me any issues aside from initially getting the muscle groups used to the activity, though I mainly just carve around the bowls and pools. My question is, if I'm not really pushing it to the point where I'm not landing things a bunch of times, say ollie's up a curb or the like, do you think these would really cut some impact? I've been thinking of going with a cup sole shoe and some thicker FP insoles since "board feel" in my world really just means "spine feel". The doctor hasn't told me I can't do this but I do realize that eventually my body will limit my activities. I'm looking for any way to prolong the inevitable here and I'm looking at everything from my shoes to durometer of my wheels and now these truck suspension systems. I know the obvious answer is to not try to do this at all but I refuse to accept that. Someday, maybe 5 or 10 years from now I won't be able to stand on my own. Right now I'm creating memories with my daughters while I can and a few for myself since I didn't know until 2 years ago that there was a clock on my being able bodied. I appreciate your videos so far and have definitely gotten tremendous value from your exercise tips, thanks for having a no gimmick, straight forward approach.
Hi Ben:) Sorry for the late response. I do think these could benefit you. It sounds like the limitations of these trucks won't be effecting the level of skating you are doing. They genuinely do provide a nice smooth ride.
Andre 111 damn... did you get the hatman experience? Or that little jagged goblin cat litte guy with the big eyes?? I actually have never had sleep paralysis but I am insanely interested in the experience and I’ve seen a lot of content on it
Been riding Avenues for a little over a year and I love them. I don't think that he rode them enough to get used to them. After getting used to Avenues, I switched back to Krux for a week or two and hated them. They felt stiff, slow and jarring. I'd recommend that all skaters give them a solid trial; put them on your normal deck and ride them exclusively for a couple of weeks. They're about to roll out a version 2.0 that address a couple of the issues that Ben brought up. I've pre-ordered a set. Skaters have a tendency to shy away from trying new gear because it involves spending money on something that you might not like and spending time not skating at your best while you adjust to the change. I'm old enough to remember the switch from the old school decks to the "popsicle" deck and a lot of people (including me) hated the new shape at first; called it a novelty or a gimmick, said they were too narrow etc. A few years later, pretty much everyone had been converted.
Have you tried Mini Logo trucks or decks yet? I’d love to see a review of their decks with M.L.’s, Thunders and then Indy’s. I’ve noticed they have two different style shape/concaves for just about every width deck they make. A comparison on the differences between the two would be cool as well.
It's a good idea. I'm pretty backed up for the foreseeable future though. I never thought I would have such a surplus of gear and so many requests for deck reviews😮
I have some Avenues and I reaaally like them. I will say, I do not skate transition at all besides maybe small quarter pipes and don't do any grinds besides 5-0 or 50-50 yet. I've tried them in a bowl and noticed what Ben said about them not being able to really carve that well. But skating these out in the street is so amazing compared to regular trucks, especially if you're going over any rough terrain, it's night and day really. I also really like these trucks while trying ollies off of drops/stairs.
I'm sure you get this question alot but after reviewing alot of stuff what's your favorite set up? I know it's all subjective but still would be cool to know your absolute favorite setup
what size are your wheels? im thinking about getting these on my board that i have 60mm cruisers on and if i put a 1/4 inch riser with really tight trucks if that would probably work or if id also need hard bushings. thanks!
The video was so long I edited some stuff out. The race reds are designed to crank the nut right down on them so they are super snug and it eliminated all vibration.
Ohhh,bro yeah i wanna see sombody good ride them he has to make them lighter. Im skating Royal trucks enjo jerrys truck is what they say.ohhh dude hu our grinding hella fast trippy.dude kick flip shifty.nice one man.thanks ben been wanting a good review for a long time.
Hey Ben, I was just wondering if you can't test a theory for me, on the website you can buy just the baseplate which is supposed to be replacments for old avenue trucks, I was wondering if any other truck hangers fit on the base plate, thanks!
Now I run 60mm wheels with high trucks (54mm high) and a 5mm pad, I never touch even when I carve hard. only when I land badly after an ollie. the setup is real nice :) but I know you dont like soft wheels and large board :D
Postives: Super smooth on rough ground. Bounce was nice on my old knees. Negatives: Wheel bite, so bad. It was impossible for me to lock in 5050 a round rail. I was disappointed you mentioned it but didn't try it. There's not one rail 5050 in the promo videos. I'm somewhat convinced it's impossible. I couldn't even lock it in, it bounces me off immediately every time. I gave mine to a friend, who uses his board to commute and not for tricks. He loves them.
I just didn't want to risk it. It felt sketchy. If I had a lower rail that day I might have tried it but that one is just high enough to put it out of my comfort zone.
Awesome critical review! For someone who is learning the basics like me, I think I'll stick with basic trucks. I'm already having trouble sticking on nose slides as is. Getting into grinds is scary enough for me. I don't need anything boinging me out. You should check out check mini logo trucks! They're low like thunders but have a wheelbase like Indy's. They also got a curved hanger and a curved baseplate thing that somehow makes nose slides feel easier.
1:06 must have something to do with the spring and weight then because i measured my pair on a 14.25 wheelbase and from axle to axle it measures 16.7, thunders measure 17.5, so thats .8 shorter in wheelbase which is closer to indy
If you are worried about your knees get those Noene insoles for your shoes. They absorb shock and vibration and most likely you can use them for a lot longer of a time.
Ben if you wanna ride that bowl, grab a helmet and knee pads and get a 8.75 - 9 inch, something with a wheel base of 14.75- 15, with some 58mm wheels (kryptonic, F4s or bones SPF), Indy 159s with bones medium bushings, and you'll have a great time. man i miss riding Kensington
Can we just all agree that Ben makes the best skate reviews on youtube?
ace fabella Totally agree. He's very articulate and honest/impartial in his reviews and way more skilled than most skaters out there so he can cover a lot of ground in terms of product quality on different terrain. Very rare combination
Agree
Agreed
Definitely the best CZcamsr to watch for skate product reviews
Agree, he describes the product as it is, clearing all plus and minus. Great job Ben!
"Sounds like a bunch of geese dying" Seems like the goose crap finally drove him crazy
i switched to suspension trucks because i had ankle surgery (right ankle (flip foot (goofy footed)) not from injury, i had a tumor), and honestly, imo, they're the reason i can still skate. grinds and slides are harder at first, and the turning circle has a different dynamic to them compared to regular trucks, but i found after a week i got totally used to them.
The bouncy/softness of them makes skateboarding much less straining on my ankle.
Most find them weird/a novelty, but for me, it saved me from not being able to skate, so personally i think they're a winner, but im in a different situation than most.
Im also 29 going on 30 this year, so ageing/slower healing is a factor that these trucks i honestly feel help me with.
I am considering purchasing another set in case Avenue fold (i hope they stay around!)
But all in all, good review. Thumbs up to you for the vid!
Maybe your muscles had atrophied from the recovery and you felt the cushion helped? in my experience cushion tend to mess with the strength of your muscles, that's why after Nike introduces heel cushions for running injuries have skyrocketed.
@@alpacamale2909 That's not all why; cushions don't make your muscles weaker. Bill Bowerman put giant cushions in the heels of Nike shoes because he was teaching his athletes to run heel-toe and wanted a shoe to facilitate it without pain. These giant heel cushions then facilitated heel striking for the masses, which obviously doesn't work for those who are built for forefoot striking and leads to injuries. They change your gait, not your strength.
I have supported Avenue ever since they started selling their suspension trucks, and I have both liked and disliked the truck. I really enjoy the fact that it is an innovation and I think that is sometimes needed in the somewhat conservative skate community. :-) When I first tried them I loved them instantly. I used them primarily for street skating, nothing super technical, but a combination of kickflips, varial flips, bs flips, tre flips etc. I never skated ledges that much, with the exception of the occasional 50-50. Whenever I tried skating a regular stiff truck I thought it felt super awkward and strange and not as good as the suspension trucks at all. I think that equals your initial reactions when trying the trucks, like you said if you get used to them, you may not want to get back to a regular stiff truck again. I skated Avenue for well over a year, and the majority of the skating featured in our small channel is skated with the suspension trucks. I totally loved the trucks, but I could be because my skating at the time suited the suspension trucks. When I switched to indys, and later to Thunders it was primarly to save weight, and now after having skated those trucks for about a year I think the suspension trucks feel super weird again! xD I really liked your review, it felt really in depth and objective and I think that you raised some good questions about the trucks. I totally agree with the fact that they don't seem to turn as well as your avarage indys or Thunders. I also regognize the feeling of not being totally connected to the ground when skating, which can be a serious issue. That though can also depend very much on the weight factor. The suspension truck is basically a shock absorber, and the more weight one puts on it the more it will compress and decompress. I weigh 75kg and I don't feel the suspension effect that much and the lower your weight is the more I think the truck will feel like a normal stiff truck because it will compress way less. I don't know how much you weigh Ben, but you seem like a tall guy, so I am guessing that you weigh a little more than me. And that is a "problem" with these trucks I guess, everyone will experience them differently. Anyway, awesome review, probably the best I have seen regarding these trucks!
Thanks Magnus! I think they are a super cool innovation too. I'm not sure if they will ever replace your standard truck but I think they do have a place in the market. They were pretty fun. The novelty just wore off once I started to see the potential liability in trying to re-learn how to do my tricks on them. It didn't seem worth the risk.
Avenues are no innovation , the exact same design and principal was done in the late 70s , early 80s and called something else.....they were a gimmick then as they are now....will go through my old Skateboarder and Action Now mags and post the ad here...
@@ronaldhickman9953 still waiting for ad
@@Ra.Amun74yeah where’s the ad?? I think he found his old bong and forgot!!
Got an opposite experience here. After watching this review decided to try a regular trucks, bought myself a pair of Indys 149, and at first it was kinda fun experience to feel a board like a solid object under my feet. Especially shuvits felt super funny to throw around, but was missing that springy feeling.
So I'm a beginner skateboarder myself and had zero experience with normal trucks before, went from longboard trucks straight to avenue. Have been cruising them around for a year and a half and eventually got sucked into skateboarding, bought small soft wheels ricta 52 and started to learn ollies, fs180 etc... have a lot of fun skateboarding and learning new tricks since. Still amazes me how skateboarding is so adaptable to everyone preferences (wheelbase, board width, length, trucks, bushings, even grip tape man the possibilities are limitless nowadays).
I appreciate the time, effort and detail. - Can't wait to see your analysis of those Powell flight decks.
Youre reviews are always on point !! Thanks for that 😃
I remember hen I was 13 or 14 my parents got me some titan ti-lites. And even as light as I was they would get stuck on grinds and pop me off of grinds. They we're springy too.
Ben always does really good honest reviews and this seems like a fair review. These trucks would indeed totally rule on a cruiser board. I’m glad they exist.
I love the honesty in your reviews Ben
I think you for making all these vids! I'm 33 and slowly progressing back into riding while juggling work and all the fun adult stuff. Its just cool to hear someone my age review products that understands that our bodies work different than younger cats lol. Keep making good content friend!
Ben thank you for such a great video on the avenues trucks. Now I can really see how they really are hard to stay consistent with due to the spring, etc. I thought I was going crazy trying to just ollie around but couldn't land them like I used to. So I'll throw them on a cruiser board which is gonna be awesome but I'll stick to thunders for tricks.
I’m using these as a cruiser board with 61mm 97a wheels. It’s beyond smooth
Jordan O'Meara Skateboarding if its a cruiser try some 78a wheels
This is what I am curious about. Does it smooth rough ground even more than just soft wheels?
@@russelljazzbeck absolutely. It's a really simple suspension system. It absorbs shock and vibration so that your throwing more of your energy forward instead of the ground hitting back at you. I basically only cruise, which is why I've only ever put these trucks on my short boards.
97a is only smooth on concrete....
Excellent, in depth, careful review!
I am partial to the Avenues, but then again I can't really skate. I love the smoothness, and it helps me keep a cruiser board as an allarounder. The smoothness on rough ground is just excellent. Today regular trucks feel like solid steel to me. Even with rubber shock absorber.
But this review most likely nails the nature of Avenues: disconnected from ground, and extra movement adds inconsistency to tricks. But then they are smooth, and should even be grinding smoother. But as Prodigal Sun said in his video, the very same extra movement makes them more unstable on the coping. I believe that is why your rail tricks kept falling off: the baseplate twists and isn't true through the movement. Many kids who have tried mine, still flip them easily, in normal easy tricks.
I still love them for my allarounder / cruiser. :-) And learning more detailed stuff on hard trucks.
my buddy threw a set of these on a mini cruiser and i gotta say you nailed it. they are super fun for cruising around
Thank you for this. I have been riding these Ave for awhile and then decided to go back to Thunder. Went skating with Thunder and oh my god my consistency jumped thru the roof !
Hi Ben bought these trucks at the start with delivery to Russia by past all the advantages that you call I would note that they are very good at downhill Board does not shake(when the descent feel comfortable and stable) and they are amazing for technical power slides , because the Board is pressed and then bounces easier and softer. But I changed them to Indy because I don't like how they get Ollie. In my opinion they are best for technical slides, freeride, cruising and downhill.
Thanks for this! I was considering trying these, but you made some really good points, like about how often you'll actually land on them.
Great Review, Very Thorough And Honest, I Appreciate It, Because I Have Really Been Thinking Of Getting A Set And Now I Think I Will Just Stick To What I Already Love. Great Video And As Always Keep Shredding Bro 😎
Tensor mag lights Next please 👌🏼 best reviewer
Great review Ben. I think you were spot on. There great dog run cruisers for sure. Long live my Thunders !
Another Great review. Keep up the good work
They're also good to replace the front trucks on electric boards. Makes the ride much smoother.
Love the review Ben. I opt for the rubber shock risers on the board this 42yr old rides. And nothing over 99a wheel hardness
Anythong above 99a is slow as, but apparently these trucks help.
I'd like to try these on a longboard. Might be good for rough streets and sidewalks when going longer distances.
Hey Congrats on 8K subs! :D
I use them because they really ARE easier on the knees. I started my CZcams channel at 41 as a beginner skateboarder and I can really feel the difference. No pain after a skate session at all!
With that said the 2 factors that deter me from buying them again are
1) I broke 3 trucks (doing basic beginner tricks) and
2) They are waaay to expensive
So I've decided after this pair breaks (it won't be long) I am going back to Indys.
hey buddy how long did they hold up before breaking? an how?
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About 2 or 3 months and this with fairly light skating, on 3 the hanger broke (where the bushings sit) and on one it was the kingpin.
@@skateordie9628 could you not replace them with alt hangars or a inverted kingpin like grind kings and have you tried the 2.0 version yet, gonna cxheck yourchanel now, i wanna 3d print titanium trucks ut the machine is mad expensive as are these tucks ut iuf ypu have spare its you dont use could you e interested in helping me redesihn them cos ive only een skating since like 20 and im now 2 ut i am noticing how it hurts to drop from such heights! and coming out the owl or vert seems scary af ut i wanna try vert
@@tobiasphillips7359 I tried replacing but nothing else fits. It seems each truck company has their own measurements.
I sent them the broken ones back and they sent me the new version as replacement. It took a lot of arguing and a few months but it still was a nice gesture.
Tose new trucks are holding so far.
I use ACE 55s right now but I'm thinking about Avenue trucks for my knees
I have found that powell peralta g slides are awesome with them. They feel super soft at first but hella easy to get used to.
I really wanted this video. Awesome!!
the 2nd version of the suspension truck is coming out soon. they have improved. you should email them and try to get your hands on a pair the FEATURES:
- 11% lighter than the original GEN 1
- Reinforced kingpin design for added strength
- Reinforced hanger design for added strength
- Refined baseplate design for increased longevity and strength
- Increased grind clearance
- Chromoly hollow axle
- Lightweight silver coated magnesium hanger
- Black polished high-compression carbon steel baseplate
I had these trucks on a regular street deck and also an "inbetweener" cruiser, and I had most of the same issues, the noseslides and tailslides feel so gross. I did switch them to a cruiser recently and they are great. With a couple risers they actually turn really sharply, without wheelbite, as long as you don't mind pushing from a couple extra mm's height they are a perfect truck for a cruiser board, you can actually get slightly harder wheels then you might normally run on a cruiser. I've got skinnier 86a's, over the wide 78a(?) wheels I had before
It’s hard to find comprehensive truck reviews and these have always been a curiosity to me. They definitely aren’t for me. Great review!
Love the review,flip tricks looking solid,Indy for life!!!
Thanks Aaron!
Love how detailed your reviews are, def the best out there! Don't think these trucks will catch on though, the sight of them alone makes me shiver haha! Have you ever skated tensors? Always wondered how those skate...
I haven't really tried them much.
This was an awesome in-depth review, thanks. 15:05 I would agree that it is going to be a big marketing focus but I am not sure about the 9/10 tricks being landed on the ground makes the impact reduction aspect immaterial. I say this because when landing on solid ground you have the luxury of diverting some of that downward momentum into horizontal momentum through steps and rolls -- the same way freerunners reduce impact. When landing on a skateboard it seems to me like the exact opposite because you don't want the board to fly out from under you. That's only gripe though, the whole video was so thorough and awesome.
I agree that this was a good review but I didn't agree with his comment about impact reduction. Obviously they company was not suggesting that when you DON'T land on the board, the trucks will help you. I agree it is a point to consider because they won't reduce it a lot but I don't feel it is a marketing gimmick to mention it. Obviously they can't say "This will help you reduce impact when you actually only land on your board 10% of the time." Too negative and takes too long to say
sound like the perfect cruising trucks tho
They are, I bought some a while ago and it feels like your snowboarding lmao
True ! i bought mine 4 years ago for my longboard, feels less bumpy on the rough asphalt
Thanks for the review!
Fantastic Review!!
Finally a 100% honest and non biased review on those! Question: what trucks would you recommend for a 31 year old getting back to skating? I managed to refresh all my basics so far, I just need a good new all round truck. Was thinking about getting Avenues but after your review: not so much :D
It's hard to beat a pair of thunders or indys.
Thanks for the answer, I actually just watched your vid on Indy vs. Thunder comparison and I am going for Indys Forged Titanium, can't go wrong with that I guess :)
I will be getting those soon. They will be the next truck I buy.
Novelty euphoria. Good wording for explaining it. I skated them for a few months and then skated a normal board and immediately realised I didn’t like them anymore.
Same shit, I can skate better with ventures or indys, but my old knees feel better skating avenues
I enjoyed that too but for the time being I want performance.
thanks for this review dude. btw nice Vans (red)
What a wonderful review! Most of what I do is limited to tick-tacking and cruising. Mr. Degros, since you're not going to use them again, could you give those trucks to me? They sound perfect!
Hahahahahaha do you have a channel Vancouver carpentry? I just realized how familiar the two guy/one you sound and look. Like to watch both channels keep up the good work😁
Sure do!!!!
Such a thoughtful review 👍🏻
Thanks Tim:)
Good Review, Ben. You're eazy to understand. I agree with your opinion, I wouldn't buy these trucks for grinding.
Thanks, had them for a while and thought it was only me, good to know it's the truck's.
Nice to see Jordan Peterson get into skateboarding.
Lmao
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i’m dead
damn postmodernists make awful trucks.
this comment made my fucking week, you seen the unscensored valutainment interview with jordan and patrick et david? EPiC!!!
Bought some avenues maybe a few weeks ago and can only share some of your experiences. Until now I never had a wheel bite with a wheel size of 53mm but I also use some the hard dohdohs /no riser pads. Until now I can only say... What a cool truck. Smooth, no noise or any sounds, stable. I don´t skate transition but... one of Andy Shrock guys swears on them when skating transition so i guess it highly depends on personal preference if you find them comfortable? - My impression is: the truck turns in tighter angles than my venture and my independent trucks (no transition) but with hard bushings you can get good control over them. I personally don´t see any separation. I only see less vibrations... and god knows on european streets this is a good thing^^ have a good one mate. cheers
They have their advantages and smooth riding sure was one of them.
Thanks for your video's
I love them...I can’t wait for the updated version to come out next month
I'm interested to see what has changed.
great review!
Hey, Ben. Great all-around review for these trucks! I am a Mechanical Design Engineer and I believe you really did an amazing job in explaining what they are good for AND not. I like your assessment for the best application for them. I am looking at trying them myself for cruising around on a Landyacht 35 Switch I use for carving, pumping and pushing around. Question, do you know what the angle of the base plate is? I currently use Bear Grizzly 852s which have 52 degrees base plates and I think they are awesome! If you get some time or curiosity strikes you like me could you compare the angles for us and post your findings? Thanks for this thorough review!
Angles of baseplates are one area I have no knowledge in yet.
really though if you want some nice cruiser trucks, try the polar bear trucks they turn well and can still be used for street boards
You should review Footprint insoles, Undergrip, Etnies Marana to see if any actually help with impact. I just really want to protect my joints.
Great review!
Thanks David:)
thank you for this ben! I have been considering getting these, but now i definitely will not be. I like thunder, and indy, but I am considering getting mag light tensors. Getting older, I want a lighter board, but its hard to choose. I love most things about thunder, but don't like how they don't give me much of a tail or nose, because of how far apart they are in distance compared to indy. i feel indy has a better turn, and help my flip tricks because they are closer together. I like doing manuals on thunder more, but never tried tensor.
I like the way tensors turn. If you bomb a hill, you dont get speed wobbles unless you make sudden movements, and they are easy to balance out.
tried them once, i didn't really like them, i hate the sound of them, sounded like a boat or something. i also did not like the turn. the dude that had them loved them to death, he didn't skate anything else. only thing i enjoyed was how smooth the riding felt. in every review i see on them people say that they don't feel gimmicky, i disagree strongly. i don't think that avenue will ever become the standard like indy and thunder, since they have been around for so long and people have gotten so used to that feel.
I wouldn't say the trucks themselves are gimmicky. They should be in their own class of truck not trying to say it's better than a conventional truck. I would say the advertising is super gimmicky
How did they do on nose and tail slides because that pivot cup thing on those truck looks weak, does it bend when you do nose and tail slides, I've been thinking about getting them
Have a set. Not made for big people. The turning is awkward. The bushings that come with it are terrible.
I’m thinking of going to thunder but I just got a new pair of stage 11 hallow Indy’s 144
Those weren’t slides...they were grinds! Basically what you have on these trucks is hanger grinds and baseplate grinds. 13:02 I thought, “I didn’t know there was such a thing as a chunky slide!” Then I realized those were not chunky tail slides. They were tail baseplate grinds.
BTW - It’s refreshing to watch such an impartial and informative review!! Good job on organizing your thoughts and findings.
It was a truly unpleasant feeling slide (when it even would slide). I'm really surprised that it was never mentioned in any reviews I watched. I'm onto the flight deck. Just a few more weeks and I will be onto the next project! I'm pretty excited about it:)
That’s why your reviews are so valuable! Solid objective reviews with no ties to the manufacturers produce some very interesting results that are hard to find in a sponsored review. Keep it up and enjoy the process as much as you can:) Looking forward to the flight deck review for sure!
Thanks Caleb:)
Always been interested in trying these out. Don’t think I’ll ever buy them tho. I’m surprised they’re heavy I would have thought the opposite. Great review Ben thank you 👍🏻
NessaDarps they have to be strong so i doubt they made from aluminium
the baseplate that is
chubeviewer true
What up Ben, next video at the park can you hit a wall ride on the obelisk , up the bank and off the drop. That thing looks wicked. Thanks Milkman,
i use risers with these, tho i have the Gen2 version. I like them but its really annoying to have every person asking what they are cause when I tell them they are skeptical as hell. lol but i do love the extra bit of speed they give you
Yay! Avenue, been skating them for two years now.
That’s so crazy looking. Wonder if it’s a bit easier on the knees landing from height
Hey there, I know this video is a little old but I trust your opinion more than the marketing team. I've been skating for about 6 months with my twin 9 year old daughters when they came to me asking for their first completes and I'm an old man at 37. I only skated a little bit as a kid. Without going into detail, I have some degenerative spine problems that don't preclude me from skateboarding in and of themselves but sometimes the impact from even flat ground ollies can over a few days cause muscle spasms that can put me out for a few days to a week. Transition skating so far hasn't caused me any issues aside from initially getting the muscle groups used to the activity, though I mainly just carve around the bowls and pools. My question is, if I'm not really pushing it to the point where I'm not landing things a bunch of times, say ollie's up a curb or the like, do you think these would really cut some impact? I've been thinking of going with a cup sole shoe and some thicker FP insoles since "board feel" in my world really just means "spine feel". The doctor hasn't told me I can't do this but I do realize that eventually my body will limit my activities. I'm looking for any way to prolong the inevitable here and I'm looking at everything from my shoes to durometer of my wheels and now these truck suspension systems. I know the obvious answer is to not try to do this at all but I refuse to accept that. Someday, maybe 5 or 10 years from now I won't be able to stand on my own. Right now I'm creating memories with my daughters while I can and a few for myself since I didn't know until 2 years ago that there was a clock on my being able bodied. I appreciate your videos so far and have definitely gotten tremendous value from your exercise tips, thanks for having a no gimmick, straight forward approach.
Hi Ben:) Sorry for the late response. I do think these could benefit you. It sounds like the limitations of these trucks won't be effecting the level of skating you are doing. They genuinely do provide a nice smooth ride.
Had sleep paralysis while watching this video
Andre 111 damn... did you get the hatman experience? Or that little jagged goblin cat litte guy with the big eyes?? I actually have never had sleep paralysis but I am insanely interested in the experience and I’ve seen a lot of content on it
Ron Thunders whenever i have it, everything seems normal just can’t move
@@ronthunders6124 my SP monster is usually a grey alien actually
I really like the graphics on your wheels, looks cool as fuck man.
Those wheels take great photo's.
instasub. such a comprehensive review!'
I suppose it makes sense that you’re moving faster since momentum won’t be slowed by small objects as the truck absorbs their impact.
Been riding Avenues for a little over a year and I love them. I don't think that he rode them enough to get used to them. After getting used to Avenues, I switched back to Krux for a week or two and hated them. They felt stiff, slow and jarring. I'd recommend that all skaters give them a solid trial; put them on your normal deck and ride them exclusively for a couple of weeks. They're about to roll out a version 2.0 that address a couple of the issues that Ben brought up. I've pre-ordered a set. Skaters have a tendency to shy away from trying new gear because it involves spending money on something that you might not like and spending time not skating at your best while you adjust to the change. I'm old enough to remember the switch from the old school decks to the "popsicle" deck and a lot of people (including me) hated the new shape at first; called it a novelty or a gimmick, said they were too narrow etc. A few years later, pretty much everyone had been converted.
Nice video again~~!! Do you have a favourite cruiser board setup?
No. I change setups all the time. I'm always trading trucks, decks and wheels. My cruisers are just my old decks and trucks with softer wheels.
I feel like these would be great for a filmer setup. They really cut down on noise, too!
Have you tried Mini Logo trucks or decks yet? I’d love to see a review of their decks with M.L.’s, Thunders and then Indy’s. I’ve noticed they have two different style shape/concaves for just about every width deck they make. A comparison on the differences between the two would be cool as well.
It's a good idea. I'm pretty backed up for the foreseeable future though. I never thought I would have such a surplus of gear and so many requests for deck reviews😮
You should do a set up vid with Indy 169s and tiny 51 or 40 something millimeter wheels
I have some Avenues and I reaaally like them. I will say, I do not skate transition at all besides maybe small quarter pipes and don't do any grinds besides 5-0 or 50-50 yet. I've tried them in a bowl and noticed what Ben said about them not being able to really carve that well. But skating these out in the street is so amazing compared to regular trucks, especially if you're going over any rough terrain, it's night and day really. I also really like these trucks while trying ollies off of drops/stairs.
I will admit, they sure felt smooth:)
I think the lock on round flatbars was due to the small wheels more than the trucks, a small wheel tends to slip out while a big wheel locks in better
I'm sure you get this question alot but after reviewing alot of stuff what's your favorite set up? I know it's all subjective but still would be cool to know your absolute favorite setup
Just like most hardware, it's all about preference.
DKL griptape review incoming?
Woo! thanks ben.
what size are your wheels? im thinking about getting these on my board that i have 60mm cruisers on and if i put a 1/4 inch riser with really tight trucks if that would probably work or if id also need hard bushings. thanks!
Thank you Ben
Why did changing the bearings change the wheel noise on the power slides? I am missing something there.
The video was so long I edited some stuff out. The race reds are designed to crank the nut right down on them so they are super snug and it eliminated all vibration.
Ben Degros I didn't know that. Thanks you, that is really good information. Had I bought them I would have left some wiggle in them.
Ohhh,bro yeah i wanna see sombody good ride them he has to make them lighter. Im skating Royal trucks enjo jerrys truck is what they say.ohhh dude hu our grinding hella fast trippy.dude kick flip shifty.nice one man.thanks ben been wanting a good review for a long time.
Hey Ben, I was just wondering if you can't test a theory for me, on the website you can buy just the baseplate which is supposed to be replacments for old avenue trucks, I was wondering if any other truck hangers fit on the base plate, thanks!
4:18 Oh Canada, that sound.
lmao @6:54 "sounds like a bunch of geese dying."
Thanks for posting. I'm a truck nerd.
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I actually have some avenue trucks and the original bushings are actually very nice.
As you said they're meant for cruising, not for tricks. thats all. and I like to cruise I should try them.
If you want them loose with big wheels you will need big risers.
Now I run 60mm wheels with high trucks (54mm high) and a 5mm pad, I never touch even when I carve hard. only when I land badly after an ollie. the setup is real nice :) but I know you dont like soft wheels and large board :D
Postives:
Super smooth on rough ground.
Bounce was nice on my old knees.
Negatives:
Wheel bite, so bad.
It was impossible for me to lock in 5050 a round rail. I was disappointed you mentioned it but didn't try it. There's not one rail 5050 in the promo videos. I'm somewhat convinced it's impossible. I couldn't even lock it in, it bounces me off immediately every time.
I gave mine to a friend, who uses his board to commute and not for tricks. He loves them.
I just didn't want to risk it. It felt sketchy. If I had a lower rail that day I might have tried it but that one is just high enough to put it out of my comfort zone.
Replace the bushings that come with the trucks because they are sort of soft and are meant for cruising.
Awesome critical review! For someone who is learning the basics like me, I think I'll stick with basic trucks. I'm already having trouble sticking on nose slides as is. Getting into grinds is scary enough for me. I don't need anything boinging me out.
You should check out check mini logo trucks! They're low like thunders but have a wheelbase like Indy's. They also got a curved hanger and a curved baseplate thing that somehow makes nose slides feel easier.
I will get to minilogos some day. They deserve a good test from what I have heard.
1:06 must have something to do with the spring and weight then because i measured my pair on a 14.25 wheelbase and from axle to axle it measures 16.7, thunders measure 17.5, so thats .8 shorter in wheelbase which is closer to indy
Were these trucks the GEn 1 or Gen 2 that are supposedly lighter?
Your such a beast!!
What's up with those street lights in the park by the ledge you skate? I just noticed them... They look really weird!
If you are worried about your knees get those Noene insoles for your shoes. They absorb shock and vibration and most likely you can use them for a lot longer of a time.
I have been meaning to check out some better insoles.
Mine snapped in 3 days on a flatground pop shuv. Aside from that and the weight, they were really fun.
I thought they were super fun at first.
Bryden that shouldn't happen with these trucks on flat ground tricks even from high drops they shouldn't break.
I realize that, tell that to my broken truck lol
I dont quite understand how changing the bearings made the wheels less loud while sliding?
Ben if you wanna ride that bowl, grab a helmet and knee pads and get a 8.75 - 9 inch, something with a wheel base of 14.75- 15, with some 58mm wheels (kryptonic, F4s or bones SPF), Indy 159s with bones medium bushings, and you'll have a great time. man i miss riding Kensington