The patterns are predictable! I cannot un see them now. Ate from the tree of good and evil. Wish I did not have to know these things but am so grateful I do now know.
Amazing conversation ! I agree with what Mark says once you have the realisation of what you are dealing with it is very destabilising, your sense of self your beliefs, everything has been compromised , trying to find your way back is absolutely exhausting .Thank you Both❤
IS THAT MARK? From the nexium documentary? He looks like a totally different person! Clear, healthy, so happy for you Mark you look great! Wishing you all the best in continued healing.
OMG that nexium bloke raniery or whatever was such a total fekkhead - unbelievable but so predictable with the moral Everesting up front. People can be so so so gullible when they think they're doing "the right thing"
Love this! I was drawn into a minor cult by someone who started off as my mental health therapist. To cut a long story, the mental health therapist by his own omission was BPD but post-analysis a clinical psychologist pointed out to me the therapist was actually NPD. I ended up reporting the therapist to the Health Complaints Commissioner. The therapist got disciplinary action and then allowed to continue on with his behaviour. Unfortunately I am Australian, as was the therapist, and the cult was US based so I am limited in what I can do in tackling the problem with them. I am pretty sure most of the 'Senior Facilitators' would be found to be Cluster B if diagnosed. It's taken almost 5 years to get to the point where I am thinking it's not really my problem to protect others from falling into their allure. Also like ' A toxic relationship is when you are afraid to say what you need to' or whatever it was exactly
Great interview. I really liked the acknowledgement in the discussion about the need these people have for collusion. I saw this in relation to my early life as a need for a monomorphic unified group identity around them and their beliefs about themselves, so this might be why some families effectively function as little cults. Yes, that was Popper: it's also a theme that both Poverty Of Historicism and the Open Society and It's Enemies two volumes carry.
I had a therapy session dedicated to discussing my reactions to watching "Holy Hell" as I was going NC with my family of origin. The pattern spotting thing is key in breaking free.
OK, DARREN! I want to talk to You about your various comments regarding aging. #1, You are more handsome than any man I have known in the last 13 years! You have a truly lovely Irish accent I can't get enough of and an easy, quirky sense of humor, and from what I can see and hear, You're a humble, kind and caring man. I was already thinking about writing this comment to you before I heard you mention, right off the bat, how you haven't aged a day. Here's my 2 cents: Update your photo that comes up on your Channel, because you are ❤ MORE handsome now than you were in the present photo you're using.😍 The silver only compliments your beautiful skin. Do it! You shine!😉
My sister one of the CoG/TFI stalwart limpets...well done for listening to your wife's escape avenues....& She for facilitating an exit strategy... disappointed to hear the (inc incorrectly ie communal NPD ) work of Vaknin being used uncredited Flying monkeys etc
I left home early i know a lot of people and we havnt met one yet whos exes siblings wernt one all types and they all know each other never mind ones you cant see..scary! And all the pedoes! I pray for everyone suffering these people still.🙏✝️🕊️
it is difficult for me to understand how anybody could fall for this kind of deception. I'm not judging, simply I do not get it. what is it that makes anyone believe these people? I've met gurus and leaders, I search for answers in my life, but what brings people to give up their better judgement? this interview doesn't really answer this question.
most of us were raised in fundamentally unhealthy families, or we had some kind of trauma that makes dissociating or magical thinking an easy button for toxic systems to short circuit. a single trauma, or even moderate religion can prime a person to switch off rational thinking
I’ve wondered that myself, as well… but, he’s likely just somewhat bitter about the paranoia that ensues us all when we’ve been conditioned or ‘entrained’ by such people or organizations over time. Understandably so, it (brainwashing/trauma bonding, etc) can happen to literally anyone. 😙
@@PortraitoftheArtistasanOldDog8 vaknin is the superior analyst but his psychopathy leads to nihilism. richard sometimes arrives at better conclusions because he has human intuition and common sense that sam simply doesn't have.
@@conantheseptuagenarian3824 I found Vaknin's "Hack your mind to heal your heart" & yes typically contrarily named "Message to youth: life sucks!" very heartening...
narcissism is a spectrum, not a species. everyone has shades of it but it only becomes pathological in some people, usually because of compounded traumas and deficits in the self. HealNPD is a super useful channel for actually understanding it beyond the idiotic DSM5
@@HomeFromFarAway"Ideology." Yes. I think of Communism as the "Religion" of Narcissists, as in, originally created by a Narcissist, where he is God. "Cult" is specifically mentioned in "The Bolshevik Revolution Reveals Six Phases From Freedom To Communist Misery." The 2nd is "Manufacturing Propaganda." It specifies "gender ideology," too. "Political correctness is the sort of agitprop that can grow a cult mindset in the population." From "thefederalist"
I think this is an interesting conversation. What I find confounding is that Mark thinks Biden supporters are cult-like, but he makes no mention of trump and his supporters. 🤔 Many cult experts speak about the "cult of trump". I'm not aware of any scholars or experts who think Biden is a cult-like leader. How puzzling. Perhaps the traits Mark has that allowed him to put on blinders and fall into a cult trap are still there?
I have to believe the reference was simply to Bidin being too old and everyone being in denial about it until he backed Harris. the evidence was there but wr all needed to believe in something because the alternayive was so orange
I don’t think Mark has blinders at all. Media bias and so called “cult experts” are all part of the smear campaign against Trump supporters. It’s easier to devalue the concerns of Trump supporters by dismissing them as ignorant, racist rednecks than to admit that Biden and his administration have some serious issues. I’m not American or a Trump supporter by the way.
I was in a religious cult for 19 years. Joined when I was young, and eager, and naive. So many, many good points being brought out here!!
Yes!!! When I left the cult I was in I almost lost myself in that way as well.
It felt like death. 💯💯💯
The patterns are predictable! I cannot un see them now. Ate from the tree of good and evil. Wish I did not have to know these things but am so grateful I do now know.
Amazing conversation ! I agree with what Mark says once you have the realisation of what you are dealing with it is very destabilising, your sense of self your beliefs, everything has been compromised , trying to find your way back is absolutely exhausting .Thank you Both❤
IS THAT MARK? From the nexium documentary? He looks like a totally different person! Clear, healthy, so happy for you Mark you look great! Wishing you all the best in continued healing.
OMG that nexium bloke raniery or whatever was such a total fekkhead - unbelievable but so predictable with the moral Everesting up front.
People can be so so so gullible when they think they're doing "the right thing"
Man what a great conversation! Thanks so much you guys!
Mark is such an interesting guy, great interview Daren
Lovely discussion gents thank you. Looking forward to that film on Narcissism.
Love this! I was drawn into a minor cult by someone who started off as my mental health therapist. To cut a long story, the mental health therapist by his own omission was BPD but post-analysis a clinical psychologist pointed out to me the therapist was actually NPD. I ended up reporting the therapist to the Health Complaints Commissioner. The therapist got disciplinary action and then allowed to continue on with his behaviour.
Unfortunately I am Australian, as was the therapist, and the cult was US based so I am limited in what I can do in tackling the problem with them. I am pretty sure most of the 'Senior Facilitators' would be found to be Cluster B if diagnosed.
It's taken almost 5 years to get to the point where I am thinking it's not really my problem to protect others from falling into their allure.
Also like ' A toxic relationship is when you are afraid to say what you need to' or whatever it was exactly
G'day! You might like Prof Sam Vaknin CZcams amazing insights in "MD:most dangerous narcissists" & cult EPs....
I was raised by narcissists.
Joined a cult for 10 years.
Married a narcissist.
Divorcing a narcissist. 😅
Same except haven’t gotten to the last one yet. Hope you’re well 🤍🦋 (it was a childhood cult and my parents chose the spouse)
@@treesoul00 sending you lots of love and courage ❤️🙏🏽 You deserve to be free
Join the crowd! And be comforted and healed!
Great chat! Glad to see Mark's doing so well.
Such a crass statement but it’s just such a vivid illustration of domination. Wow.
Great interview. I really liked the acknowledgement in the discussion about the need these people have for collusion. I saw this in relation to my early life as a need for a monomorphic unified group identity around them and their beliefs about themselves, so this might be why some families effectively function as little cults.
Yes, that was Popper: it's also a theme that both Poverty Of Historicism and the Open Society and It's Enemies two volumes carry.
Marks lighting is phenomenal
I had a therapy session dedicated to discussing my reactions to watching "Holy Hell" as I was going NC with my family of origin. The pattern spotting thing is key in breaking free.
Wow! This is such a fantastic and very informative video.
Don’t be afraid to be the villain
Yes there is no shame.
gotta be careful with that. 'do not commit the crime for which you now serve the sentence.'
The context was how a narcissist will attempt to shame / smear the victim and Darren helps his clients face that fear- powerful
@@conantheseptuagenarian3824yes. perhaps the better phrasing would be "don't be afraid to get framed as the villain"
They want your sociological pass word😊
Great video
Wow
"Mapping the Hole" is what the Scientologists call Auditing. Politicians moght call it digging the dirt.
OK, DARREN! I want to talk to You about your various comments regarding aging. #1, You are more handsome than any man I have known in the last 13 years! You have a truly lovely Irish accent I can't get enough of and an easy, quirky sense of humor, and from what I can see and hear, You're a humble, kind and caring man. I was already thinking about writing this comment to you before I heard you mention, right off the bat, how you haven't aged a day. Here's my 2 cents: Update your photo that comes up on your Channel, because you are ❤ MORE handsome now than you were in the present photo you're using.😍 The silver only compliments your beautiful skin. Do it! You shine!😉
Isn't it in human nature to overlay our empathy onto other people?
Or sometimes these types are candidates for public office....
Kamala needs to watch this - never attack the leader but educate the Believers.
When they are out of screams the fox comes running. Omg.
My sister one of the CoG/TFI stalwart limpets...well done for listening to your wife's escape avenues....& She for facilitating an exit strategy... disappointed to hear the (inc incorrectly ie communal NPD ) work of Vaknin being used uncredited Flying monkeys etc
I left home early i know a lot of people and we havnt met one yet whos exes siblings wernt one all types and they all know each other never mind ones you cant see..scary! And all the pedoes! I pray for everyone suffering these people still.🙏✝️🕊️
there are physical brain differences between psycopathy and narcissism. It's really important to remember none of this is a monolith
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it is difficult for me to understand how anybody could fall for this kind of deception. I'm not judging, simply I do not get it. what is it that makes anyone believe these people? I've met gurus and leaders, I search for answers in my life, but what brings people to give up their better judgement? this interview doesn't really answer this question.
most of us were raised in fundamentally unhealthy families, or we had some kind of trauma that makes dissociating or magical thinking an easy button for toxic systems to short circuit. a single trauma, or even moderate religion can prime a person to switch off rational thinking
pretty sure, at this point, that Grannon is a narcissist. still makes some good content though.
I’ve wondered that myself, as well… but, he’s likely just somewhat bitter about the paranoia that ensues us all when we’ve been conditioned or ‘entrained’ by such people or organizations over time. Understandably so, it (brainwashing/trauma bonding, etc) can happen to literally anyone. 😙
He rips it all off Prof Sam Vaknin uncredited...Horse's ass handling such complex info though see Vaknin for the Horse's mouth!
@@PortraitoftheArtistasanOldDog8 vaknin is the superior analyst but his psychopathy leads to nihilism. richard sometimes arrives at better conclusions because he has human intuition and common sense that sam simply doesn't have.
@@conantheseptuagenarian3824 I found Vaknin's "Hack your mind to heal your heart" & yes typically contrarily named "Message to youth: life sucks!" very heartening...
narcissism is a spectrum, not a species. everyone has shades of it but it only becomes pathological in some people, usually because of compounded traumas and deficits in the self. HealNPD is a super useful channel for actually understanding it beyond the idiotic DSM5
This is the same as Communism.
no. this is the same as every rigidly held ideology. every. single. one
@@HomeFromFarAway"Ideology." Yes. I think of Communism as the "Religion" of Narcissists, as in, originally created by a Narcissist, where he is God. "Cult" is specifically mentioned in "The Bolshevik Revolution Reveals Six Phases From Freedom To Communist Misery." The 2nd is "Manufacturing Propaganda." It specifies "gender ideology," too. "Political correctness is the sort of agitprop that can grow a cult mindset in the population." From "thefederalist"
I think this is an interesting conversation. What I find confounding is that Mark thinks Biden supporters are cult-like, but he makes no mention of trump and his supporters. 🤔 Many cult experts speak about the "cult of trump". I'm not aware of any scholars or experts who think Biden is a cult-like leader. How puzzling. Perhaps the traits Mark has that allowed him to put on blinders and fall into a cult trap are still there?
Biden and his borderline Marxist army
I have to believe the reference was simply to Bidin being too old and everyone being in denial about it until he backed Harris. the evidence was there but wr all needed to believe in something because the alternayive was so orange
I don’t think Mark has blinders at all. Media bias and so called “cult experts” are all part of the smear campaign against Trump supporters. It’s easier to devalue the concerns of Trump supporters by dismissing them as ignorant, racist rednecks than to admit that Biden and his administration have some serious issues. I’m not American or a Trump supporter by the way.