BUILDING SHOWER CURB...and patreon stuff
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- čas přidán 21. 12. 2017
- Explaining why I"m on Patreon asking YOU for financial support so I can continue producing videos. Also showing how I build a water proof shower curb.
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Your videos are very helpful as I prepare to build two tile showers in my new-construction home. Thank you from Newfoundland, Canada.
Nice jump wings paratrooper!! Awesome videos Bob! I am doing my shower now, using your techniques. Very easy to understand, and to get the 'idea' of why things are implemented the way they are.
And we go for the million, but StarrTile do not forget the fighters that are out there working hard and with quality to bring our families forward, thanks for your valuable help.
Think like water and pan material never touches wall material. Two amazing tips from this video that are easy to apply! Thank you!
You're not boring. And now you're heading towards 100,000 subs. Congrats!
Love your stuff man.
Thank You
Great message! I have been a follower for a while now! Congrats
Thanks for your wisdom!
nice work. think like water then think like kids. my brother was a high school custodian 13 yrs. everyday the kids plugged the shower drains with tampons to flood the hallway
You've helped me immensely. I'm done prepping and about to start tiling. There are many channels that snow the wrong way to do things and only a few, like yours, that show the correct way. Thank you! I just subscribed.
Thanks for that...I really don't believe there's a "wrong way" if it works, mine is the way that is easiest & makes sense.
Very informative! Thank you!!!
Im glad I saw this video. I was wondering about the best way to fill those corner gaps. I thought about the thin set but not using wall board scraps. Thanks.
4 years later and nearly 100k subs. Great job
Yeah hundred K should have come a lot sooner, my Sharp edges😂
@@StarrTile that’s why it took so long. Kuz You don’t cut corners. Hahahha
Merry Christmas keep up the good work I've learn so much from you I've done 3 showers now with all your methods . I'm only 22 yrs old #teambob
Thanks
Great Videos. Thanks
Nice best way to do a curb 3 coat of red guard no way water will get in . One think I do always use one piece slab for the top
This is the video! Thanks
Nice frosting 🧁 on that curb !
great Bruce Lee tip, be like water, flow like water!! nothing like getting into the mind of the enemy lol
At what stage do you create the slope on the curb? Do you use shims or something in between the 2 by 4's so the pan liner leads it towards the drain?
How do you achieve your slope on your curb and is it necessary to thinset your your cement board to curb? Thank You
You could still pour a concrete curb with a 1/4 inch + horizontal form on the inside pan so that water can’t wick up. Then redgard .whole thing .
How do you secure the front side of the curb that's in the shower do you just use mortar where do you put screws at the top of the inside as well
Never knew you were airborne but with your attention to detail, it comes to no surprise.
Yes, that was a LONG time ago...but that may be my virgo side coming out ;-)
good to see other ex military in the industry. my company uses mostly KBRS in all our shower applications nice to see other videos like this.
Thank you
If you're using red guard without the plastic liner how does the gap from cement board and mud bed work? You have to have the cement board on the cement floor right? You can't have a gap with red guard right?
Maybe I missed it but what did cover the curb backer board with before you red coated it? The video at 14:41 to when it gets to 14:43 looks like some of thin set on the curb itself. Thank you!
It was thinset.
What if you redgaurded the inside of the curb backer board and then screw it in, then redguard the entire shower? Wouldn't this create a seal around the curb backer to eliminate wicking?
I'm just a young guy that hasn't even done this before. Getting ready to do my first one. But here's my idea. For the inside curb backer board. Why wouldnt you position it in place, Drill holes where the screw will go, Pull it all apart, Place a thick beed of silicone Culk over that screw hole in the pan liner. Then install backer board. That way that hole is sealed up even better. Would that not work well to hold water during your initial leak test?
Love your videos and your reasoning most always make sense to me. One question though. In regards to setting the wallboard 1/4-1/2 inch above the pan to keep water from getting into the wallboard, what’s to stop water from wicking up the backside of the tile and thin set and onto the wallboard?? Not questioning the wisdom in doing it that way, just trying to understand. Seems to me that with the red guard it wouldn’t matter if the wallboard sat directly on the pan, as it’s all ultimately in contact via the tile and thinset anyway. Help me understand!! Seriously love the videos!!
Water can't get to the tile, and no thinset on the last 1/2'' of the tile...therefore no wicking can occur.
And yes the base of wallboard is waterproofed, but why take the chance when it's so easy to raise it up.
StarrTile, I see so water won’t wick up the back of the tile as it would if you did not leave thinset off the last 1/2”? I appreciate the multiple fail-safes you consider, thanks for the reply!
I use Wedi and it takes approximately 4 hours to install the system and be ready to tile. Plus it's 100% watertight. I could use the shower before even laying a single tile. I'm concerned that you didn't wrap the membrane material up the wall above the threshold. How long did it take you to prep this? I used to prep similar to this, pre sloping prior to installing the membrane to guarantee that water wouldn't sit in the pan. And I would also use either mapei or laticrete liquid waterproofing membrane. It would take me about two days of prep before I was able to lay my first tile.
Yes the material is above curb level. My showers are waterproof before any tile goes in, and save my customers boat loads NOT using that orange crap. As to time for prep, it's relative, I charge by the job and not the hour....it works out for me.
Great video! If you have 6 mill plastic under bakerboard and shower liner just like in your video can you use redgard? I would like to use it over the mudpan and walls but concerned about trapping moisture
No plastic vapor barrier when using Redgard.
One or the other. But both aren’t ideal in my opinion
it's good to ask for money,because always will be someone with some willing to give it all away.....
My shower pan has yellowing as it's acrylic, any idea what to use on this thing to remove it. Nothing takes the yellowing off unless I forcefully rub a rag on it when dry, very annoying. Mineral deposits maybe, I've no idea
The yellowing won't come off, not in my experience anyway. When I get work like that I'm there to take it all out.
Did you glob the red guard under the back curb backer board And the wall boards? I understand the gap, just wondering if gap is completely red guarded. Love the videos and info 19:21
Yes the Redguard goes into that Gap and everywhere in the shower your shower should be a hundred percent functional without any tile on it, think in those terms
When you redguard the whole pan and the backer board what happens to the water that goes through the grout? Can it stagnate and cause an issue?
There would be only a small amount of water going through the grout and it would dissipate and evaporate between showers, have built two of my own so I see it happening
I appreciate your way to wrap that evil curb, saw lots of videos on this topic but none of them did as perfect sense for me as yours. Wanted to pay for my ticket of getting help from you but you make one time donation so hard to do, could it be as easy as 1, 2, 3? Please!
Thanks....
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Awesome vid, thank you! But how do you slope the curb? Maybe I missed that...Thank you in advance
You could tilt the two-by-fours, you could tilt your wallboard, but I generally tilt my tile with a little extra thinset on the back portion
Airborne!!!!
Hey Bob, if I buttered all the way down to the pan by mistake, but applied 3 coats of redguard do you think I’m ok?
Should be, yes
How do you pitch the curb?
Just to pick your brain but how do you feel about building the curb out of block and then red guarding the brick along with the shower pan? Love the videos man and will be donating to patreon!
That method sounds reasonable, assuming you set wallboard on curb ABOVE the mortar so no wicking can occur.
The issue then would be how to wrap the curb with liner & attach it.
Yeah thats what I did. I applied the cement board with thinset to the curb to hold it in place, then i red guarded the whole shower like you did in the video. I figured the red guard would serve as my liner so to speak. But thanks for the reply, i feel better now about the job I did
wow, that's how you look like... I had a totally different image based on your voice. lol.
In your build a curb video you put thinset all the way to top of pan and you put thinset between pan and green board. In this video you leave a space. Did you change your approach and why?
Yes, I've changed my Approach maybe about 5 years ago, I did not see the sense and having any wall material touch floor material.
Do you put screws on the inside and outside of your curb? I know you said you screw the top piece down.
Yes, inside and outside and top oh, then the whole thing is buttered and the whole thing is Redgarded
@@StarrTile Bob, you do great work and employ common sense so I have a question for you. Have you ever considered trying a shower without the pan liner as you know it is just an insurance policy, with just hydro ban or red gard. I never thought I would consider it but I am going to try it on my shower. It either works or it doesnt and they invented it for a reason. What say you?
Do you slope the curb when building like this?
No I do not slope the curb, when everything is done then I slope the tile as I'm setting it
I know this video is 5yrs old but did you get this pan inspected? This wouldn’t pass if you did. The folded corners on your curb are incorrect.
Have you ever used the divot method for the drain? I can't find a good video on that. That would be cool if you could show that.
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Yes I've seen them, seems there's always a solution to a non-problem. Assuming you mess up a shower, this is a good way to be fool proof, but my work is redundant after 20 years, I don't build to fail so "new" products do not help, and ultimately would be time consuming & overkill...for me.
StarrTile I saw that but not much detail on how he got to that point
That's because this wasn't a drain video, it was a curb build...I have drain & other videos on my channel, 275 all together.
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I forgot to add that I already have a curb. I just need to raise it.
What's your take on doing exactly what you did in video, except wrapping curb with Dens Shield?
Because denshield is a gypsum products I would not do that... I always use a cement base product like Durock or hardibacker, or even foam board would work, I've done curb in that before.
@@StarrTile Thank you for the response. thought that may be an option based on your comment of "100% no way that water could get into the curb area", if one were to completely waterproof as you had done in video... also, I watched a video that I believe Diblasi had used Dens Shield on a curb.
I want to raise mine to 18” and I really need help. Thanks!!!
Why you didnt show if you use screws , nails or what!!!!
Hi you have great videos... I have a Q for you I'm building a shower curb on a concrete floor with 2x4 and I put adhesive and hilti it to the floor.. my Q is should I have put treated or a moisture barrier on the 2x4 to the concrete floor.. thank you
If you have concrete slab construction then you have bottom plates on every single wall, none of those plates, i.e. 2x4 have any waterproofer on them, although some Builders will use cured pressure treated wood... your curb would be no different
Question here ever glue cement board to pan liner
No..doubt it would work
why would you put holes through the water proof liner?
1. Because it's impossible not to
2. It's irrelevant when waterproofing
I have questions about my pan that I’m building.. Do you have an email address that I can send pics to?
Yes, but send the required donation on PayPal 1st, my account on PayPal is my email...
StarrTile@yahoo.com
you would save your self a lot work if you knew how to float with concrete
He's the male version of Kim Kardashian
Florida that is all
Nice pic
Not boring, you break things down so an idiot couldn't mess up.
So I noticed you put red guard all the way to the drain....in one of your previous videos u said that wasn't a good idea..because if it could create a mold sandwich if water ever got thru the groute....why did u change ?
I have said in the past I wasn't comfortable doing it because it could result in a mold sandwich. I've changed my mind on it because Schluter Kerdi has a waterproof shower system out that allows for it. So my feel is they've done the research and regardless which waterproof membrane you use, it's innocuous.
Wrong. Kerdi is a WATER TIGHT system. Meaning there is no water penetration ANYWHERE in the shower. The shower you are building is a WATER IN WATER OUT system. It is designed to allow water to flow through it. That is why there are weep holes and a prepitch under your pan. The water that passes through will drain to the weep holes. Waterproofing part of your pan is making a mold sandwich. The waterproofing probably isnt even stuck to the pan anymore.
@@MD-tb6eh Once you redgard or hydro ban the shower pan it is no longer a water in water out system. That is Bob's point of the waterproofing. It is now a sealed system. No water will ever get to the pan and yeah I know, then why install a pan liner in the first place?? I have news for you..................Many contractors are converting to a liquid waterproofing membrane only. Have a nice day
yeah I do yeah I do not like that pretty system at all personally and far as a shower curb you cannot beat doing your shower pan and your curbing the old school way with felt and Hot Tar the hot mop system is really the best long-lasting system out there I don't know why we've gotten away from it but I've just been to at my home and it works great I'm very impressed with it it's got to be done right that's for sure.
I'm thinking you I'm thinking you know what I'm talking about but today a lot of these guys have no clue what it is or the process cuz I think they would go back to it and if you had a concrete curb and you were too hot moppet that would be perfectly fine and there would be no two by fours to get wet and rot or anything of that nature but you would definitely have to use the Hot Tar for like doing flat roofs or commercial type buildings that's what I'm talking about by hot mop are you familiar with this at all thank you Ken hope to hear from,
"Contiguous" is not the word you're wanting to use ...
Please don't record in truck while driving I am running 2 dual 18" amplified subs at 2000 wats each.
"Not a big fan of plastic" yet the entire is all plastic
Why dont you have your pans hot mopped!! The real way lol I am a professional tile installer contractor over 30 years expeiance . I was LMAO Wonder Board on top of your curb and inside shower pan only HACKS do this shit
Hot Mopping 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Very Antiquated, messy, stinky process, why would you ever continue that archaic system !!
The 30 years shows, no one does that bullshit anymore....it's for a ROOF !!
21 years strong and not one callback, and I change with times 👍👌
30 years ago I was already an 82nd Airborne vet, a firefighter and into construction by the time you were learning showers...so your hack lifetime of doing hotmoping apparently is all you know, how sad
So let me get this straight. It drives you crazy when people set their wall board on top of the pan because it soaks in moisture, but you put screws through your liner on the top and inside of the curb? You need to grab a TCNA handbook my friend. Code dictates you float your curb. Penetrating the liner at the curb is a 100% no no for any tile install. You also need to stop telling people they dont need to pre-pitch their pans. That is also a TCNA code requirement. Please stop spreading this bad information to people. Some of your videos are awesome and you give some really good accurate information. But this shit needs to stop. You are setting people up for leaks and bad installs.
Sorry it's taken 6 months to respond, sometimes I get no notification of comments...other times I choose to ignore them because the viewer has ignored the info presented. First and most important to your comment, I could care less what the TCNA falsely dictates to the mindless masses that follow their ( Guidlines ) rules, it is the Bible to you, but not to me or the THOUSANDS of tile guys all over the world that know nothing of them. You are aware there are hundreds of countries out there doing tile LONGER than we have that haven't read one written "rule" of any organization, right ??? Now to your comment, last one 1st: I have NEVER EVER said NOT to do a pre-slope...EVER. What I've stated is I don't do one & explain in common sense logic WHY I believe they don't function as intended, and I've done videos backing up my words, including my own experiment of a pan without a slope where ALL the water evacuated, so we'll not beat that dead horse any longer.
Now, you explain to me exactly HOW any water can get into those holes I screwed into my wallboard/liner on the curb. In fact if I cut the liner at about 3inches at the top of the curb & never even wrapped it fully then water STILL can't get into it based on my gap method @18:00. It is impossible for water to get into the curb or any wallboard whatsoever in the way I do it, but I'm sure if the TCNA started using my method you'd be ok with it, there really are sheep out there !! Now, let's move to your claim of floating a curb being a cure-all. You do realize in order to float a curb you must tie in your pan material ( mortar bed ) to it, right ?? And you do realize if your mortar gets wet, that moisture will wick into your floated curb to the outside and cause water damage to the subfloor outside...not something I guess at, something I see all the time & show on my videos. It destroys the plywood and the homeowner is rarely aware of it happening for YEARS until there's a leak in ceiling downstairs. If you like I can forward you at LEAST half a dozen videos I have of this...and your bible maker TCNA has nothing...why ? Because they're not in the field in real world scenarios as I am, so how would they know how to mitigate those issues. In fact my next video I'll be posting April 5th will show a floated curb that caused subfloor damage.
And finally to your last line " You're setting people up for leaks and bad installs ", show one example of that, back up your words, I certainly do.
I dont see where he is getting any call backs so what does it matter what method he uses as long as it works??
Completely wrong, you pour the curb with the pan then Waterproof with aqua defense or red guard .
NO 2X4'S AT ALL, EVER !
I've used 2x4 for the entire 24 years in this business, entire shower water proof so it's 💯 irrelevant.... same as I could build shower walls out of cardboard because the shower is entirely waterproof. You would not have a better shower because you make your curb out of cement GTFOH
You are delusional on that matter.
No disrespect but you are wrong 100%
@@mhernandez5354 show your proof of me being wrong, you can't just say something without backing it up, conversely I have nearly 700 videos over 14 years on CZcams to back up everything I say
It will find the screw head...stupid.