America's Cup Recon: Success or Failure?
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On the 22nd of June the joint reconnaissance programme ends and time is called on one of the most experimental America's Cup initiatives of recent times. So I ask those who really matter, the teams and the recon staff themselves: Was joint recon a success and should it return for the next Cup?
Interviews with:
Dan Bernasconi of @EmiratesTeamNZ
Dylan Fletcher of @INEOSBritannia
Rodney Ardern of @alinghiredbullracing
And Undisclosed Recon Agents of @americascup
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Credit to you Mozzy for the success of the channel. Your coverage and observations have been great. Oh and give those actors as Oscar.
Pretty sure one of them was Rob. :-)
To be honest, I only understand about 10% of what you say, but I can't stop myself watching at least one of your videos every month.
Love this!
It would be gobbledygook if you weren't a sailor.
I‘ve been following the AC since 1997 but I am not a real sailor and I can only dedicate so much time to it. My only regular activity is following Mozzy Sails!
And, yes, some of it is over the top of my head. But what I am really struggling with is to keep an overview of where the "circus" as a whole is at, where the individual teams are at, and the different classes of boats. So, if you could take a minute in each video to convey the bigger picture, this would certainly help me to be "less lost" and get more from your great content!
In this episode, an introductory comment about what recon is, how it came about and what is generally happening in this field would have helped to make sense from the start of the video. I didn’t have a clue how big a thing this was.
💯 exactly this comment. Tbf the very few things I pick up I use with my friends, bcos they know I have no idea about what I'm talking adout😂
The 1st time I said something like "look at that rostertail on the bare away " during the Nz A Cup😅 at least i know what that means now 😊
Big respect for your channel getting these interviews. Using actors and still doing the reality show disguisy thing was classy.
The Recon was definitely a success. As a F1 fan as well, it was good to see AC’s version of pre-season testing. Love seeing the teams getting involved with the fun and games of the interviews. Super insightful looking into the teams’ test programs, I’m sure some kids out there would have been inspired to get involved in the technical/engineering side of sailing, and THAT I believe is the greatest success you could ask for!
Couldn't agree more!
Thank you Mozzy for your insights into the finer details of these amazing flying machines. Recon has been interesting watching interviewees try to take as long as possible to say nothing at all. Keep up the good work Mozzy!
It would not have been the same without the recon. Definitely be far less interesting if there was no recon (for me). Sad it's ending.
Fans want more access to & content from the AC in general. The surveillance was an excellent step forward, but we still need more content & analysis to drive team growth and the commercialization of the sport that opens access for fans.
I would probably completely forget about the America’s Cup if it wasn’t for the recon CZcams videos popping up. It definitely increases engagement, and I think increasing this kind of stuff is important.
The biggest advantage to nzl with recon was what Dan alluded to, previously nzl didn't have the budget to cover all the teams consistently... Ineos would not have had this issue
I may be alone on this but I feel like team American Magic shows almost no video or pics of their boat on social media. Recon seems light on the Americans too. Compared to Alinghi for example, I honestly don't even know if USA is sailing when all the others are.
He Mozzy, great stuff, I always love your content. The technical debates are fantastic. further congrets on the win in Garda.
Thank you mozzy sail for your insightful vids. Fantastic to help understand what is going on . Recon adds even more.
Well done and keep the vids coming
Well done, Tom. Your involvement, video productions and insightful commentary have been a major part of helping me stay informed about the AC arms race for AC37. Looking forward to your analysis on the upcoming racing. Thanks so much for your contribution.
Great Video Tom, very cool you got access to the team guys and their perspective and the write-ups from the reconers.
I agree the recon has been really cool to have, it's been really nice to see the daily footage and catch glimpses of new stuff.
Great video!
The coverage as a result of recon has been amazing. I’ve watched everyday and it’s been fascinating . Hope the racing is as good. Fingers crossed.
Fantastic coverage Mozzy. I always look forward to any of your videos. Your technical discussions remind me of my nerdy conversations with my classmates whilst at university and I really enjoy that!
All good. The quality of the material captured by the recon people with the angles captured and ability to have the camera rolling at critical moments would have enhanced or compromised the information discovered. Beauty.
Mozzy, it’s been YOUR interpretation and insights that’s made it as interesting as it is…. Thanks to you
Nice to see INEOS getting some love.
Hi Mozz, great job on the Americas Cup - I look forward to new episodes as they drop and appreciate the depth of analysis you and your crack team perform.
Just wondering why you don’t cover the Sail GP? Indeed no-one provides expert coverage of the Sail GP series and there is always a lot to unpack.
Soem questions that spring to mind include
- are the foiling 50 ft Cats too fast and difficult to control to be fleet racing?
- why do some teams appear to be plagued by technical failures - ie NZ lost a mast and the Australian team have had an ongoing issue with control over the mailsail inverter.
- were the penalties applied to the Australian boat equitable given they were avoiding a life threatening collision?
- what performance enhancing drug is Giles taking (I want some)
- why has the British team performed so well without Sir Benny?
- Given that Sail GP is not a development series, why are the boats so close to the edge in their design specs. (As evidences by the Kiwi Mainsail failure)
I know this will take some time but you can build up the channel and bring some unbiased objective analysis that is completely missing at the moment.
A massive thanks for your thoughtful and incisive breakdown of recon which has added a new dimension to AC37. Keep it flowing.
Nice summary of this new (for this cycle) AC development. I would make a couple of additions to the excellent comments made in the video. The use of the data that was collected is reflected in society - most companies do NOT analyse the vast amounts of data they collect, and would spend their money more wisely by not bothering for most data feeds. Secondly the quality of the recorded recon interviews varied a LOT - quality journalists really deliver quality reports - enough said. My thanks, insightful and informing as usual!
Thanks for this series Mozzy
Grazie Mozzy for your great work. You make this world more accessible and more understandable.
My pleasure!
Thanks, Mozzy, for all you do for we viewers…your coverage is fascinating. I realise you, and the recon output is limited by the circumstances of the day, thus you can only analyse what you can observe. Nonetheless, a wonderful addition for AC junkies, and looking forward to more insightful commentary. Thank you again, for all you do.🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺
That’s absolutely genius getting the boys to dub the voices and silhouette the actors. Brilliant!!
Hearing Quentin Delapierre. OE will have quite a different boat compared to Team NZL.
As the Kiwis are waiting for the end of the recon to mount their features, it makes me doupt a little bit about the recon...
Your friends, Mozzy, are not only very knowledgeable sailors, but also good actors!
Thanyk you Mozzy
It's been awesome!
Very good video. Loved the research / journalism effort you put in.
Thank you very much!
Amazing mafia style interview of goodfellas😂......
Credit Mozzy. It matters about toilets and working conditions and the balance of power. A much stronger link between recon and teams may well help a lot. Standardised boats and standards too. I hope this gets the attention from the teams it deserves; it will make the cup better if they do. Solid work.
Definitely noticed a difference in the footage from Italy versus say, certain recon teams in BCA.
Enjoyed it. Great to hear from the talent. As well as the on water footage
Now we will get boring press conferences with principles sitting behind the standard set piece long table.
Barcelona and the other locales looked magnificent.
Look forward to seeing the boats on the water will not watch anything else.
Its like formula 1. I only watch for the engineering/technical side. And you're the one who covers this aspect to a high quality!
Quite interesting and surprising what the recon team had to say. I would have expected standardization around the chase boat and minimum notice the teams had to give about their sailing schedule. All the suggestions for improving the situation sound good to me, especially the bit about making more statistics easily available.
The recon has been a fantastic way to drive interest in the Americas Cup. Its cost the teams less to have it than their own recon would have. Everyone wins. Great idea Dan
Kudos for achieving more than 3.5 M views. Thats an amaizng achievement and testimonial to your dedication to those excellent videos. You probably done more to popularise the America's Cup than anyone else. Would be nice and deserved if the organizer of @americascup would give you some sponsorship / perks for your hard work
I didn’t realise the Recon was ending this early.
Disappointed to hear that, really been enjoying the coverage.
Unfortunately, all good things come to an end.
I think the idea of the Recon has been very successful but is clearly a first attempt and there is lots of scope for improvement. The boats and cameras all need to be improved and standardized and maybe utilization of drones to get better angles. There is clearly a demand for interpretation of each days sailing and the interviews, despite the best efforts, were generally uninformative. As your channel shows there is a real desire to engage with this information and a weekly round up with analysis direct from an informed recon team with access and tools to present the data would be perfect. Throw in the 'guest' team visitor who may have been on the vessel and you have a nice product although it may steal some views from you. Great work Mozzy thanks
such a great video
Awesome clip ✊
This is brilliant!
Gerry Adams / Darth Vader bits at the end was very interesting
IMO, the last America's Cup worth watching was in 2007. Compared to these 2024 unobtanium spaceship so-called sailboats the 2007 races were far more exciting to watch: close in tactics, sail changes, spinnakers, and more. Watch the full 2007 cup races on CZcams and you'll see what I mean.
there should be 2 separared test organize by AC race management.
1. Private test with limited time and others team noticed on team HQ/beach for commisioning and 1st development part
2. AC official Recon test with all team in same venue fix time and fix course but different to race course. With speed, flying time and all available data. Team are free to do all kind of movemnet, improved technic or installing part
3. More media coverage for technical and sport side
This will increase engagement for audience
The interest is ramping up that's for sure. The technology of these boats would of attracted a whole new legion of sailing fans. To be honest America's Cup would of been terribly boring to watch for non sailors before foils came into it. I can't wait for it to start! My only disappointment is Australia doesn't have a dog in the fight. Really looking forward to see how Ineos performs. I am a bit of a fan of Sir Ben. Cheers Mozzy 🍺👍🇦🇺😁
Totally agree with everything you said but don't mention the boring part without foils outside this channel, you'll be excoriated by lurking traditionalists. On the official AC channel, I've had many a spat with die-hard traditionalists who despise foils. Despite disagreeing with them I understand their sentiment but such is the current state of the sport. Fighting progress is a futile endeavor. I'm dying for Australia to field a contender. It aggravates me every time they announce the teams who will participate in the AC and Australia isn't one of them. I fail to understand what the problem is. Can't be for lack of interest seeing how overrepresented the country is in the number of sailors who participate in the AC, and they practically own Sail GP. Do you know what the reasons are?
@@jamesaron1967 I grew up sailing dinghys in the 80,s so I get the traditionalists but the future is foils so they have to move forward with it. I have absolutely loved the new age of sailing. So exciting now which still requires all the old school skills plus the new skills needed to sail these beasts. I don't truly understand why we don't have an entry. All I can put it down to is none of our super wealthy businesses and the people who own them are interested in sailing and therefore funding an entry which is a shame. They have so much money it would only be a drop in the bucket. Maybe if we hadn't so much success in SailGP then there might be more interest but I am only guessing. I might have to do some investigating on the matter.
Keep it! And upspec, augment. Get Palantir in to do the data crunching and visualisation. Have additional drones and uncrewed vessels.
ETNZ leaving their final foils off the boat till it’s too late to copy will be the most significant thing the recon won’t cover 😐
No team has shown all their foils. Also foils used in the preliminary regatta, and LV, cup can be changed for the final itself.
True, but can't anyone with a good camera take shots of the yachts? There are channels by photographers who regularly upload videos anyone can view, so they're available to the teams for R&D.
foils seem to be all heading to the same optimum design - its all about the control this cup.
@@jamesaron1967 I don't think he was suggesting that other teams won't be able to analyse their foils. Rather he was suggesting that because ETNZ have left their foils reveal till after the recon finishes means that WE won't be able to see them - at least until the racing starts.
@@jaysdood Whenever ETNZ trains with their new foils someone with a camera could be there to take videos and then upload them, no? It's a matter of taking the time and making the effort. I don't see a problem unless they do it in a way that's inaccessible to photographers.
Thanks.
Good ideas for the next cup. Like the members on board and also improving footage. Why is it ending early?
Mozzy- American Magic rep notably absent from this video, did they turn you down to talk? The recon program didn't go far enough, need to really F1-ify all this. In the time of immersion media and media technology, the opportunity to show more, tell more and better stories past the usual gibberish in the Q/A post sails is wide open. Tom you did an AMAZING job, this is hard work creating these videos, thank you!
I spoke to the defender, challenger of record and a new team. I think it could have got a bit repetitive for a video to do everyone!
I really like the idea of post-recon interviews with the various America's Cup teams. However, I wonder how much they would share with the public since they wouldn't want to reveal their strategies. An independent observer might provide a more revealing and unbiased perspective for us fans.
Thanks for the continuing great content. It seems like none of the teams are using the hydrogen-powered foiling chase boats though - has this just been quietly dropped? Will they just be used at the AC events? It seems a bit performative if so, when the bulk of the hours on the water are training hours...
They all have them, but I understand there was a delay in the McConoghy one passing sea trials so they're not being used yet. Luna Rossa and Magic both have one, but just don't use it as a chase boat day to day
Nice cameo from the "reconers" 😂
Absolutely put team staff on the recon boats.
Might require team staffers to declare any conflicts of interest 👀 There’s a transparency in just letting the recon teams go free range.
But it’d be brilliant to mic them up and get their voices on audio while the pictures are being recorded. Plus you’d probably also need an on-board recon reporter, plus driver and camera op.
One last thing: zero emission & zero waste AC please.
One of the reasons for me not to go to Barcelona was RECON, better recon chase boat always good and use the same boat for other series recon. I will be there in August
😂 monitoring the WAGS insta to know where sailing teams are going to be.
hello
what are the america cup items ( books dvds ?) behind the team new zealand guy ?
What happened with the high speed camera drone that was flying in Bermuda?
one thing i was hoping we'd see a lot more of, is third party analysis of data coming off the boats, particularly as they change out equipment, but also to see early hints at relative performance. Is this data not included in what is being shared between teams / public / media?
I think it would be more interesting if the teams did the spying but they had to share everything they learn with the public…so we get to see what they are looking at and why.
Some of the daily recon videos were less than interesting (eg when the cyclors were being interviewed), though having a shared set of eyes on the participants was generally valuable in providing visibility of the engineering-race before the regatta. From time-to-time I felt that some of the participants were being evasive rather than honest, though that seemed to more be something arising with junior members of a syndicate, rather than those further up the hierarchy, who typically seemed a bit more assured about what they could say to the camera. That the likes of Justin & Roger would (seemingly independently) add longer sequences, was at time also a useful additional perspective. Making the teams have a requirement to have (perhaps several specified) cameras running at all times when sailing, or tow testing, might be useful...but should the absence of cameras prevent activity occurring on the water?
Ooh, that was quite revealing at the end, with the anonymous comments from the reconners. I wonder who were the *worst* team to recon?
I miss which is the role of Recon teams. Just report or spying the technicalities of other teams? Because the second I think it is a little unfair. America's cup was always a matter of secrets and innovations, if you allow others to spy your job, best to use one design boat
You have dome a great job of relaying the information that was available.
Each team could provide permanent recon staff with their own agenda on the one boat but results are shared.
A quick question, how much is being spent by teams for this American cup
I have loved to read the daily recon report its something I look forward to every day. Now its over their is a massive black hole amounting to a news blackout for AC Fans. Why could the AC37 organisation not continue with their daily teams update as for me its a massive home goal that must be disallowed and reinstated
Recce !!
Does that mean that recon is now finished? If that’s the case the teams will only now bring out their latest equipment! I really look forward to all
Yes, it finishes today the 22nd.
Why is recon ending now? Does that mean we won’t have any more reports until the cup starts?
Having a requirement to have the camera provide metadata about location, direction & time might allow the next generation of footage analytics to occur.
I wish I didn’t react to ‘recon’ (the civilised world abbreviation of reconnaissance is recce).
Triggered, need a cup of tea.
completely disagree with putting reps from teams onto the recon boats. How do you balance that between teams or between teams and the recon crew? How does that empower the recon crew who already suffer a power imbalance? I don't buy the 'training' argument. If the recon crew need training, empower them with the budget and policy to upskill, get better equipment, get better access and hire the right people.
“Actors” lololol I see what you did there
I think a quota of private requests would be good.
What is recon? Is it filming the boats while sailing?
Rules state that every team is followed by a single common recon boat that videos and photographs the boat and shares the data with everyone so that teams don't need to spend money sending motorboats around the world to compete for the best view (and cause dangerous situations while doing it).
LoL - don't think you disguised Tom quite well enough...
on the other hand, he is hard to disguise. 🤣
You mean Rob...?
@@jamesaron1967 Maybe... LOL.
The scruffy one...?? ;-)
I didn't go back to check which was which - I had a 50/50 chance.
Anyone know who's the odds on favorite to win?
You can Google "americas cup betting odds". Sorry, can't spoon feed that for you. Company rules ban betting sites.
Great use of actors lads 😂
Ironically recon finishes the day Taihoro arrives in Barcelona.
I don't know what you are implying here. Now that everyone has their boats in the same place and everyone can use their own recon resources, why should they still keep doing common recon?
Besides that everyone has just about finished development so the nature of the recon has changed too.
Failure. For the amount of access they had the content was ridiculously limited. no drones, no spy cameras, no nothing. you had the sense they were actually holding back for fear of losing access. This is is a sporting event were the spectator is still an afterthought. Also small production value across the board. not enough money/knowhow.
Realizing that killing recon this far out is going to kill people's interest in the race who aren't totally following the cup's every move. So in terms of growth for the sport, it's a very bad move
I have had to stop watching your video because of The CZcams pop-up that forces you to watch their ads in entirety.
I far preferred the days of having to trawl sailing anarchy and the internet to try and spot things for myself. The reckon system was way too clinical for me and binary….
Where on Anarchy did you find the stuff for this AC? I cant find it.
@@dulls8475 trawl through the forums in the americas cup threads…. It was a fountain of knowledge and bullshit for years…. Nice to decipher what was fact and what was fiction!
Bring back Peter Montgomery !
PJ is a legend. Love that guy.
I’ve watched every day and it’s been brilliant, the interviews however have been bland and uninformative.
The recon shore videos that is …
Recon is largely useless at the margin. Extremely easy to put countermeasures in place. It's as old as the Cup - it's called sandbagging. It does help to share some basic knowledge and to get those who are further behind a little bit closer but that's it.
If anything today's evolved technologies make sandbagging that much more effective since modern tools allow for accurate quantification of the "sandbag's" effects.
Someday we may even see "reverse sandbagging" where teams go beyond the rules in practice to exhibit outstanding performance in order to get their rivals to invest in high risk/low return development strategies in a desperate attempt to catch up (remember the NZ Hula debacle).
It's a poker game.
I got the impression from time-to-time that syndicate members being interviewed at the end of a day's activity were being evasive rather than honest about events. With 360-cam technology seemingly becoming more useful, it may be enough to specify some recon that provides a window into events on the water without adding undue amounts of friction/cost. Perhaps those that will most gain from any required footage are those within the individual syndicates because of their insight into the nuance of any particular moment on-the-water.
enviroment , what a joke !
I think the idea of the Recon has been very successful but is clearly a first attempt and there is lots of scope for improvement. The boats and cameras all need to be improved and standardized and maybe utilization of drones to get better angles. There is clearly a demand for interpretation of each days sailing and the interviews, despite the best efforts, were generally uninformative. As your channel shows there is a real desire to engage with this information and a weekly round up with analysis direct from an informed recon team with access and tools to present the data would be perfect. Throw in the 'guest' team visitor who may have been on the vessel and you have a nice product although it may steal some views from you. Great work Mozzy thanks
Absolutely put team staff on the recon boats.
Might require team staffers to declare any conflicts of interest 👀 There’s a transparency in just letting the recon teams go free range.
But it’d be brilliant to mic them up and get their voices on audio while the pictures are being recorded. Plus you’d probably also need an on-board recon reporter, plus driver and camera op.
One last thing: zero emission & zero waste AC please.