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"Oh noooo, if LCS doesn't happen no NA teams can go to worlds."
"Okay so whats the difference?"
The difference is NA wouldn't get clowned on in worlds so it will appear boring 😂
main rosters have zero americans, not much of an NA team
they get to go NO MATTER WHAT, all regions do, they lose but they get to play 18 games by sending 2 na teams
@@vissermatt1058 literally every team has someone from NA on it lol
no more entertainment, we need NA for the comedy
I'm actually excited to see the random thrown together teams. It would be the best content the LCS has provided in years.
pretty sure performance would increase alot if people could play from home and all are welcome
@@xNFR Not to mention playing with people you like, like old C9 or Complexity, more friendly and more fun
Deadass, never really watched pro league but I’ll be there to watch the chaos unfold if they actually let these random people play lmao
depends how many trolls get in
@@xNFR Sad M5/Gambit noises
NA viewership is down cause our region sucks. No one wants to watch NA get gaped by Korea, Europe and China every tournament lol
I actually enjoyed watching GG get gapped this year was very entertaining and they didn’t int too hard. Also the crowd peer pressuring river into picking rengar was hilarious.
Then look no further, our father savior Quinn Callahan and his compatriot Sneyking will redeem our region of its suckiness and bad performance at team E-sports games.
Yeah NA players sucks
@@justsomeguywithoutamustang6436 I mean even in Dota , which is not popular with kids like League, NA is dead. Top 200 ranks play like to p 2k in EU , skill level is nowhere near where it has to be to produce good teams and those guys went to EU teams to have success.
This. Didn't even bother to watch MSI because I knew it's gonna end in a 3/0 LOL
The other context that isn't really being addressed here, is that pro players, coaches, content creators all have voiced that they really wanted challenger teams (the minor league) so that the pro scene accurately reflects the state of the best players in the regions, and in NA it is notoriously difficult and frustrating, even if you are better than a pro playing on stage, to get to that stage and to get a chance to compete. This has been a long term problem, and this is kind of the straw that broke the camel's back, and the big argument is that the structure and the rules for how teams and players are picked and switched don't allow for the LCS region to succeed because it's not allowing the best of the best to play, and prioritizing other things like branding, etc. over that. The solution is to give more say and create more fair rules around all this, and the worry is that if Riot can just wave the requirement for teams to have the one tool that gives hope to fixing these issues, then riot is basically enabling the problems to continue and indirectly killing the chances for NA LCS to excel and match the other regions.
This walkout isn't really to solve the issue that's happening right now, it's to blow the horn and make a stand where it may be the last chance to fix many problems that have been around for 5+ years
Never watched or been League fan, but Dota 2 fixed this issue, with making pro circuit and 2 divisions. every tour, last 2 teams of div1 are relegated to div 2 and 2 div2 teams are promoted to div1. and if you want to get to div2, everyone can do it through open qualifiers. after each tour, there is major tournament of all regions (each region has different amount of slots that get to major from the regional league (for example NA and SA has 2 each, WEU and China each has 4)).after 3 tours, 12 teams from all around the world (with most points earned throughout the year from regionals and majors qualify for TI (The International) with few slots free for last-chance qualifiers.Years back they had similar problems with pro scene. all of that said, NA in Dota 2 is also not considered strong region.China used to be top dog, past few years its EU,specifically WEU
competitive player here. Diablo 2 was my first competitive gaming experience- (HC Necro) then vanilla wow-tbc (NE Hunter) in these games I did fairly well, even scoring high enough in 3v3 arenas to access the t4 gear!
Then I found LoL, and since year one I practiced, trained, and played my @$$ off in every scenario I could imagine, every item build was tested and thoroughly examined. Researched every champions counterplay, and many, many other marginal skill developments necessary to compete in LCS. After ten years I was still bronze 5 😮💨
@@davidaldridge7929 skill diff
If you're not picked up despite being "the best of the best" there's typically a reason for that. Solo game skill isn't enough to carry a team. Maybe they're bad at communication, maybe they don't mesh with the team, or maybe they're just a shit human being altogether. They're trying to sell a team, and in the end of the day sponsorship runs the industry. If Stalin himself rose from the dead and became the next top player, its unlikely he will have companies vying for his attention.
@@davidaldridge7929 'competitive player' 🤣
Drama that doesn't involve Blizzard? Rare occurrence.
Its like the drop of a Legedary item! ^^
C'mon, man, how much drama do you want from Blizzard? They already had one yesterday when Paragon Kottick did an interview.
Give it a minute... Somehow blizzard will have its finger in the pie
Blizzard drama is still on cooldown.
Damn, Blizzard probably feeling jealous about now, they'll do something to get back the attention, don't worry.
Riot would love to give more slots to KR and CN at Worlds and NA is giving them a damn good reason
Having top 4 CN and top 4 KR would be fucking incredible. And the Chinese viewership would probably make up for the NA losses.
@@JohnDonne3PersonGod I was under the impression that the LCK and LPL already got 4 spots. Top 3 from each region, plus the fourth place team got to play in the play-in tourney. DRX was the 4th seed from LCK and just won 2022 worlds.
Franchising has done irreparable damage to the LCS, it gave teams too much power over players, and the guaranteed safety made players too complacent with their low skill level compared to the top tier regions
Also made the bottom part of the ladder way less interesting, and lower divisions completely uninteresting.
I remember league championship before franchising... That was so damn exciting. Like for example you got players like xPeke, sOAZ, Niels and gang get together, create a team (Origen) and destroy everyone in the Challenger Series and then get promoted to the major league AND DESTROY EVERYONE THERE TOO.
Eventually they went on to have the best performance in the semi-finals in worlds of any western teams in the same season too.
THIS HOLY FUCK THIS SOMEONE ELSE SAID IT
But think about the money! Money! Money! Money!
"I had to get her a gaming pc just so she can have 400 tabs open at the same time" why did this hit me so hard? lmfao I laughed so much harder than it probably "really" deserved
wow you figured out what it means to relate to something 💀revolutionary
Hey this isn't blizzard drama wtf
This whole loss of job thing is crazy. They literally shut down the entire oceanic league and riot offices in Australia because it wasn’t making enough money
It's not crazy? They lost money, fire them, easy
Followed league since Season 3 and I think this has been an inevitable decline since the beginning of the franchise system. Teams started throwing money at all their problems and giving up on players after 1 split or 1 season cycling through imports and giving bare minimum to developing NA talent. When most of the teams aren't even players you recognize from your own region it felt weird as a fan. It gradually shifted back to mostly NA players but teams started giving a lot less of a fuck about performing without the danger of being relegated back to the amateur league. Relegations kept teams honest
I'm so sorry for your loss
This type of behavior of leaving and being toxic as fuck, has been going on since dota on warcraft 3 servers since 2005
@@Aldranor No worries, here at NA League of Legends we're used to losing
Yeah this is exactly right, on top
Of that NA getting swamped at worlds every year makes it hard to be a fan with how toxic the fanbase is
there was never a chance NA to do anything .. NA people are usually pretty stupid so they are not even gifted like an EU player for example .. its just a guy who got high elo in a dogshit server they got in a team because they know few people .. then they just chill and thats it .. theres no way they can compete with people who play 12h a day ...
Stagnation is the worst enemy of a growing sport. People watch football in germany not just for the top contender but also for the bottom of the league since its interesting seeing if they manage to stay in the league or fall down to a lower level and it sometimesbrings some fresh air.
LCS is a very small part of the League Esports. NA is one of the smallest regions, and it's basically dying there.
The problem isn’t it being small because I’m sure South America and Japan would have a word with you, it’s that they don’t take the game as seriously as other regions, they go in “try their best” then go home and get paid rinse and repeat, they overpay for out of region players expecting to perform better but in reality NA is known as the “retirement region” for a reason
@@ibrahim5463 in NA/Sa maybe. In other parts of the world it's (excluding worlds) LEC or Korea.
@@vitorossi7839 nope, not even in SA. CBLOL is bigger than LCS.
+ if I recall correctly , NA didn't win a single game during the latest Worlds tournament or won very few if any games at all. They just get curbstomped by most other regions. And LCS seems to be NA vs NA teams, not sure as I only watch worlds stuff. League esports will probably keep makin boat loads of cash and viewers even if LCS vanishes.
@@ibrahim5463 because it was the name for everything before, at that time, Lcs was also the name in EU for exemple
So Lcs isnt USA only related
I feel like people are saying things like "Na has no upcoming talent" but don't want to examine why that's the case. The purpose of a minor league team with relegation is to keep the players honest and at a high skill level, the system as it exists does none of that. The symptoms of that problem are exactly what Tyler1 is describing, where no one feels pressure, and know that they will never be moved up even if they try, so why bother. Just defaulting to a "NA bad lmao" stance without thinking why it's that way is wild to me.
NA would unironically benefit from becoming a wildcard region.
LCK and LCK Challengers dont have a relegation system, same as EMEA LEC and EMEA Masters or ERL and that works fine, constantly bringing talent to the Tier 1 League. NA has no talent, because their server is small population wise and most is the time if you are good, is more profitable to go the streaming route instead of the PRO route, thats it, thats why Tyler1 says there is no passion. What PROs in NA have to do is the same route as with Football (soccer), where they migrate to play in a Tier 2 ERL in Europe and grind their way up to a Team that plays Champions League (LEC or LCS). Look at CaPs, arguebly the best midlaner Europe has produced, he is Danish and at 16 years old was playing in Turkey.
Ok, I'll give the challenge I give to any "NA talent" enthusiast. Give me the names of 5 players that are LCS viable. I have a list of at least 10 but stop pretending imaginary superstar exists. I was challenger last year and I've reached mid grandmaster until i decided to take a break this year. I know that the academy pros stop playing soloq. If you want them to get better make them fight for their fucking life to make LoL as a career work. I've seen some players stop trying after getting signed. I'd get stomped every time I play vs them then they're on an academy team and it looks like they are playing one handed.
@@davidsato7898 NA HAS talent. There are so many young upcoming players that could have been chosen and coached. However, the highest elo is a clique. You need connections to get known.
All the other leagues doesnt have relegation neither, sooo that isnt the reason.
NA has become more complacent each generation, living a life where you think ur country is the greatest while slowly intoxicating yourself (or by companies) with mcdonalds with no competitive drive will raise children even less competitive, those kind of behaviors spread pretty fast.
Reaching a point where you manifest that you want scores to dissapear from children sports.
Others region had goals like trying to win worlds or back in the day to become a part of a NA team because it was the region with the highest salaries.
Lets think about KR players and his culture of work, well NA is the opposite.
NA not performing and having a list of demands.
Riot: Ok, Karen...
Riot was like: You dont walk out on me, I walk out on you.
Riot basically telling the NA pro players "Hey, you'r on a strike huh ? Here are your mcdonald caps, gl on your futur career projects". So good.
I hope they spend that 60k MINIMUM a year well on an education and training skills .
They play videogames for a living and have the gall to strike after going 3/15 lmfao.
NA league is famously the league retirement home.
Pro players from EU, Korea and China know that if the y played on a top 4-6 team in their region, they can go to NA and cash in on a massive paycheck.
NA has the biggest paychecks compared to other regions and yet no one expects them to win internationally, like at all.
NA even cried them selves to a private pro server where they would get paid to play in their spare time, and it died....
This has been the most interesting news about League in years. I hope we get more content out of it.
Franchising killed league pro scene
@@beardedgamer9148 it is working on other regions. wdym?
@@whysmile9412 only region its really working in is china where anything would work given their enormous player base
@@beardedgamer9148 The real problem is no one in America is taking this seriously because its very new to them having actual work ethics in a gaming environment. Also, do remember, that Americans still think of gaming as a child's play. Rather than a real career.
@@nushia7192 and it is for the better...
Tyler seems like a very smart guy, despite playing a very different character.
Yep, he's very smart for putting on an entertaining obnoxious front to reel viewers in and keeping it on, normal ppl would've just dropped it after awhile.
He's right that the NACL needed to go, literally everyone agreed with that, including the LCSPA. The issue is that Riot lied/ignored the LCSPA. Tyler's arguing that the NACL rule needed to go, but everyone already thought that xD it's not why the players walked out.
@@MinhNguyen-ny2ns Probably really liberating to play that role though. Dont gotta overthink anything.
Not being boring is a pretty important aspect. That's literally what killed guild wars 2 esport scene. When the heart of thorns expansion came out pvp was infested with invulnerable chronomancers standing on points preventing them from being captured or flipped. They could fight for hours and never kill anything... even the casters made fun of the state of the game.
Guild wars 2 esport? I never knew there even was.
i think the league roster carousel spins way too fast. you cant decide on a favourite team or player because theyre changing faster than you can become a fan. at least in any other sport a player stays for the whole year or so but in league half of the playes that have been introduced in the spring split have been replaced in the summer split. theres like very few exception players that have staying power like faker or doublelift. the teams have become just a name with no personality. remember 2011-12 era tsm or dignitas?
I think more than that Teams for the most part failed to build their identity, regardless of the roster they play.
I think the problem with league and other esports is not that it's old, the problem is that it's still actively changing. I used to play league years ago and also watched LCS, just like I played football and watched football on tv. Now when i tune in to a football match I know exactly what's going on and get into the game since i know how it works. When i tune in to any LCSmatch I have basically no clue what exactly is going on. All the items are different since i last played, there are new champions/new meta's. If you don't actively play league you can't really watch LCS whereas with Football you can tune in any time and know what's going on and get into it since it hasn't changed
I agree with Asmon on the league player being boring. When i ask my friends and ppl around me AND myself, when we think of good league of legends esports event and times, we instantly think of the older seasons when Doublelift trash talked everyone, HotShotGG trash talking , CLG vs TSM drama, M5 for being extremely good and playing new exciting metas dominating. Back when league players and teams had more of a personal connection to their fans, thats when league esports was good. Now its so corporate and boring.
exactly, if the league was still personalities fan recognize, the views would be much higher and the players theatening a walkout would matter more. either way i still think whoever currently watches must still care about some teams and wouldnt just watch any 5 guys on stage with a TL logo....
RIP TSM
@Nick Scolari Being good creates Ego. Ego leads to trash talking. Trash talking creates drama and people love drama.
because you guys are just random 14yo normies who like people trashtalking and acting like clowns .. people who are fans of esports will tell u 1000 legendary moments and all of them are ingame .. you can instantly think of M5 for example they were really entertaining ingame and outside of the game and so on and so on.
@@NickScolari-ij2il Ludwig said the game is only dying in NA. not in EU and Asia.
@Nick Scolari Uh he only say LCS is dying tho
The biggest problem with this drama is NA players treat esports like a legit career path. They want job security. They want high paying salaries.
being a player in any sport doesn't offer job security unless you're the best of the best. Can't really make demands like that without having the skill to back it up.
well, pro league players get a hefty yearly salary. They don't get heaps from prize pools when they win. On the other hand, pro dota players have far lower salaries but get much MUCH more money from winning tournies. Sucks a bit for the players i guess but keeps the tournaments far more interesting and higher level. There shouldn't be job security though, you're right
If orgs get safety, why shouldn't the players? If a loser team like dig gets to sit in the bottom of the league for years, then I think it is fair for players too. I think they need to reintroduce relegations, and make it way easier for hungry youngsters to bite at the teams ankles. I think maybe even add amateur leagues under NaCL with relegation/promotion into NaCL, where players can (in theory), grab a group of five friends and go all the way.
@@iverbrnstad791 Exactly. That is the problem with franchising. It was never about the players. It has always been about the organizations. Franchising removes virtually any competition between the teams and players have to compete against their own teammates to get a spot into the LCS.
It wouldn't be a problem if NA produces high quality talent every split. Sadly, they don't. None of their local talents can compete internationally.
It's time for NA players to realize they cannot use LoL eSports to have any job security. Treat it as any other sports competition. They don't have the skills and talents to make the franchising system worthwhile.
IIRC, it was Reginald that spearheaded the move for franchising. He knew they're going to make tons of money as an organization even if it means ruining the local scene completely. Look what happened to TSM now and they buggered off just in time before this drama began.
@@Hzuuuu Regi is D MAN i love that guy. He has that dark triad energy and is desperate to get a championship. only time i hated him was when he made Dyrus cry
The thing for me about watching LCS is that all of the players I loved to watch and frankly some of the most skilled players in NA are retired now after signing onto new teams and failing. Sad all around and a shell of what it was years ago.
It’s the same thing with just about every large competitive gaming community. Let’s use Halo and Call of Duty as prime examples of this. The generation of OG gamers that built the hype around games like Halo, COD, and League are just older now and the players they followed and supported all retired.
Halo took a significant drop off as soon as Halo Reach and the MLG events changed dramatically.
Call of Duty has never been the same as lots of the OGs from Optic, Faze, EnvyUs, etc… are now retired and the competitive scenes have been wishy washy.
Not sure what happens with the LCS, but it’s going through normal pains that a lot of the games at the top of the industry have faced
@@JR_AFC its only na though. korea, eu even brazil is growing and there are new big names comming. only na is going down the drain.
Asmongold talking about Idra made me happy, it's always funny that people remember him for being a total nutter
Who knew poisoning your water supply with a damaging nerve agent, over abundence of suger in the diet, and hormone reducing and cardiovasular damaging seed oils could affect the skill of the region.
based too few understand the danger of sugar and seed oil
Here in brazil our players are even worse than NA's, but boy is it fun to watch. Esports here generates a ton of content and our viwership is enormous, because players trashtalk and are self aware of how meme our league scene is. Last year a guy played against a major region and won and then he showed his arm to the camera with "bot gap" written on his bicep. Whenever the players become personalities people will watch regardless of their lack of skill
nop, they wont... the issue here is that the game itself is declining, so its natural to lose viewers and interest over time.
I agree that having charismatic and iconic players are good entertainment for fans, but looking at the numbers for league its a fact that they are losing players (and fans) over the months and years
@@shimonami8960 isn't league the biggest it has ever been right now? People always say it's declining but playernumbers are higher then ever and worlds viewership is at an all time high. It's only NA viewership that goes down, everywhere else it's super high and it's becoming higher. The Brazil games were pretty entertaining and I was actually rooting for Brazil at worlds after their first game.
@@shimonami8960 that's only true for NA. The numbers of cblol viwership grow a lot each year and a couple months back a brazilian guy got the rights to stream the msi and he had more views than the entire world streaming it even though his stream was in portuguese (brazilian language). Because the guy and everyone else in his stream see league as it is, entertainment. They're funny and have personalities.
@@asongforthemostbeautifulwo6476 I see, didnt find a concrete number to check on this, my concern right now is that maybe league is stable on some countries, even increasing in popularity, but decreasing around the globe overall
@@Aeroreido yeah, did some research and seems like that, weird I remember some sources saying that the number of views and active players were almost as low as before the pandemy, but I couldnt find anything related to that anymore
If you do not play League, its kinda hard to know what exactly is going on, everyone does different stuff and you just see particle effects all over your screen. It can be very hard to follow.
i agree, before i started league, i found esport/lives about league so bad, and i started to like it after i played the game
I liked early LoL a lot more than modern. The seasonal maps and silly builds you could make were much more fun to play with casually. I finally stopped playing the game when they took away Team Builder. That was without a doubt the best way to play matches for people who don't like drafts.
@@wickian9571 the game is getting better and better, maybe not for you but the number of players is going up
Yep, makes zero sense to me, just shadersparklevomit all over the screen. I'd rather watch football or basketball and I'm a baseball and golf guy. MOBA genre also seems to be one of those things you need to sink hundreds of hours into just to get passably decent enough to not annoy people, so I'm never gonna actually play one.
True, I didn’t play League back when Dunkey and friends made videos but I still watched anyway cause they were funny. Now that I play I can go back and actually understand what’s going on (kinda). Oddly enough I feel like the old graphics were easier to watch than the newer ones, probably cause they’re less flashy.
The Dignitas example was a good point, but part of the problem with the current NACL/Academy ARE the players themselves, and most people probably wouldn't know unless they follow the league. A lot of players in LCS and NACL also don't have the drive or skill any more to compete at the top level, but they get to remain there either because other players they are friends with want them in their team, or because they are just experienced enough to be low risk compared to other new players in the scene for orgs to keep them in either LCS or NACL. While it's not the players fault for orgs wanting to sign them, the current state of the league gives too much job security for veteran players, but no incentives for them to improve. It also doesn't help when half the current league are imports, some of which are not even good enough to be at the top level but are just skilled enough to act as gatekeepers for the LCS. People don't meme about LCS being the retirement home for no reason.
LCSPA losing will unironically help LCS players and the region for the long run.
The NA region has more then just one problem that goes towards the declining viewership:
1.) The region itself isn't as strong, which could be adressed if Riot and the teams really wanted but instead it is beeing encouraged to bring in just more foreigner players. This itself brings the problem that no new NA talent can be developed.
2.) LCS structure: In having the franchise system itself in place for the LCS, Riot and the teams could take that opportunity to develop new talents but instead they go back to sign foreigner players for big money. Also the other problem is, many teams give me the impression that they don't really have a plan in developing their own team further. Instead its just mostly panic "big" name buys.
3.) To mutch money is beeing wasted for foreigner players and viewers don't have a attachment anymore towards the teams as they did back. This also goes both ways, the brought in players from non NA are seeing the LCS as a sort retirement home where they can make big money and don't have to play at their best.
Personaly I think a LCS league where you can be relegated is far more interesting for the viewer and if the teams would invest their money smarter they would benefit from it in a long term. Also these are just some off the problems the LCS has, they are far more that they have which can be fixed but that fix would take some time.
i think people are forgetting the reason why teams still insist on relying on imports. Let us use 2022 worlds winner pyosik as an example. LS never ranked pyosik as one of the best jungler on LCK during his time there nor a lot of coach and pros. He was a kindred one trick in solo queue, got recognized, played in pro, eventually won worlds because somehow Zeka and Kingen went super saiyan on finals not to mention beryl and deft was there too. iirc he was diamond on korean server because he doesnt grind on solo queue which is understandable since lots of pros do that too. He can never have that chance again so he immediately switched to LCS after he got a huge offer.
Why does team liquid imported him? It is because of his novelty. Once a player is bought, it also comes with their popularity and fans. These fans are what these teams want in order to sell their stuffs. It is just how market works because teams need to earn to run their org. On a business standpoint, this is completely standard. Winning the trophy demands a lot of factor so marketing an established player rather than gambling on a new player is definitely a safe and proven choice. Dont even get me started on the work ethics, attitudes, and mindsets on these contrasting players.
@@whysmile9412 It's because of anti-tryhard mentality of most players in NA region. They should actually hire more retired pros to teach the new upcoming local teams.
I think the 3rd one is the main reason here, theres nothing to cheer for, 90% of the league are just foreign player that are there for money, rarely any orginal NA player pop up,they have that one kid Danny as fresh talent that pops up and then ruin it themselves.
Im honestly excited for the bronze/iron environment that's about to take place in the lcs. Either there are serious fuck ups or insane outplays. Wild fucking west where anything can happen. Now that's excitement.
The thing where Asmongold talked about entertaining players is definitely what makes fighting game tournaments its charm and watchability. EVERYONE who plays Tekken 7 knows Lil Majin's story, EVERYONE knows Super Akouma being a dumbass when he gets stressed. They remember the players.
@@sirdabzmcgee oh man definitely
everyone remembers Lakad Matatag and the caster like its yesterday god rest his soul, same goes to ODPixel and his infamous calls.
It absolutely has to be about the character. League is quite possibly the most boring game to watch because of its intricate mechanics and complete lack of flash.
Nobody would watch nascar if it was a bunch of faceless dudes in cars on rails.
@@sirdabzmcgee Not always, because in dota2 if a game is secured to win its secured, unlike in other mobas, it can turn upside down in a moment, because dota2 has some very OP items => winning team has a higher item gap compared to a losing team.
@@master_tarot sure, fighting games are good, but not all fighting games are treated equally, platformer-fighting games are mostly not taken seriously. Fighting games are more of a mastery of combo more. Moba games are a combination of player's item choices and skill combos.
If you actually look at the pattern of the viewership it spikes up during TSM matches, as an na league player myself I can confirm that they’re easily the most recognizable and popular team, it’s just unfortunate that they’re not comparable to other worlds teams, I straight up don’t watch it if tsm ain’t in the running
Don't follow League but I feel like if you do anything competitively, 3-15 is a horrifying stat. The face when Ludwig announced the stat is the exact same face I made 😂
It's because the LCS is the retirement home for old pro players of other regions. Whenever a Korean or Eu player decides they no longer care about winning anymore they just sign a contract with an na team to get a big bag
And of those 3 wins : 2 are against EU who was really weak aswell at that event and a minor region team who they went 1-1 against. It's that bad.
The face when Ludwig gets malding that there's no point signing a Moist Moguls LoL team because the major league is locked and they can never get in? With how much he boosted VALORANT scene with his and Charlie's team, they can probably get a huuuuuge bargaining chip if they do that in League too. Riot would feel almost inclined to cater to them, maybe open up another spot in the major league.
Cloud9 started as a no name group of 5 players playing together, made it to NACL, won, got promoted to LCS, then won LCS by going undefeated, like 2 years in a row. Then Riot got rid of promotion/relegation while C9 grew into one of the largest and strongest esport orgs worldwide across multiple games/teams. Franchising killed LCS and pro LoL esports.
Oh look another one making more excuses.
@@nushia7192 without promo/rel we'd never have Cloud9, one of the biggest orgs in the world today.
I heard NA players rejected making a union cause they would have salary caps. Players making millions for years and have a pikachu face when consequences for their actions happen. These companies are finally trimming the budget and realizing these players bring a negative ROI. Not sure how true this is, and I do not care enough to do research.
Edit: Also, for the past few years, the region hasn't even felt like NA talent cause they just import every player they can. Last I watched, they just waited till imports became NA players and imported even more.
Players also prefer relegation which is saying they don't mind losing the pay check because of bad performance if it means taking down the org with them. They want to allow orgs to trim the budget if it means they can start their own nacs team and steal the orgs' spots.
@@trancepeirce3107 bro I remember in early seasons they rotated relegations with the lower division they had. Those moments were hype when everything was on the line. Now it's impossible because they made teams spend like 10 million for a spot and now they have perma spots. Probably a shit ton of legal mumbo jumbo to reverse it thats not worth it for riot. Also, the players seemed to be fine with it up till now cause it meant they could put in minimal effort and coast on not being relegated.
So, I've been a league player and been following the LoL esports (in the west anyway) since the end of 2013/beginning of 2014, 2013 being the first year we had an actual structured league, NA and EU LCS. And from what I remember from these times, NA LCS absolutely had the superior product, no matter how you looked at it. There wasn't that big of a gap even in international success, because at this time, Koreans established themelves as by far the best region in the world and were creaming pretty much everyone in the international events. EU started getting the upper hand in terms of international success and overall player level, but NA LCS was still easily the bigger league, NA owners had a lot more money, lot more VC coming in, far bigger sponsors. The problem is, as the international performance gap between NA and EU started getting wider (in 2015 World Championship, EU had 2 teams in semis - both got smashed by Korea but not a single NA team even made it to top 8), NA owners became super impatient and like NA owners in any field, they started bringing in the best players from other regions. This started with importing EU players thanks to the promise of higher salaries since EU owners just couldn't afford the NA numbers. That was the first problem that started creeping in - LCS owners started slowly inflating the salaries, which escalated massively all the way to the 2022 season. Also, the fact that the LCS owners simply bought the best players from other regions meant that there were very few young NA prospects coming through (that also has other reasons to be fair, like the fact that NA server has smaller playerbase compared to other regions, as well as the server being located on the west coast, when the majority of the US population lives on the east cost of America), the tier 2 and lower "grassroots" scenes started to slowly die off and the final nail in the coffin for that was the franchising in 2018. Franchising was the biggest mistake NA could have made, at that point you had players with salaries reaching up to millions of $ per year, players aren't even pushed to compete to the very limit since with franchises, you get rid of relegation system which also delivers the close range fatal headshot to the lower tier teams who have no chance to promote into the "big league". LCS teams were mandated to have an academy team to try and develop young prospects but that project pretty much turned into "keep around the players who already were in LCS at some point but their performance level dropped and you just wait if the level comes back up in case you need a sub or some other team buys him off" with a handful of actual good young NA players making a breakthrough. At this point, there are no new sponsors because the economy is in a downward spiral, and esports are among the first things the sponsors are going to pull the plug on, same thing with VC investment and the LCS owners just wasted fuckton of money for a league that hard dipped in viewership, became inferior to all the other major regions (EU, Korea and China) in every possible metric and everything seems to be going to shit.
Drama aside, LoL has always been a snoozefest to watch outside of the early days. Dota 2 has consistently been more interesting due to its game design of not giving a flip.
Because its designed to not give an enemy a chance to get back on the game. Sure dota2 has viewership only due to the prize pool, but still not getting enough players to recruit as pros.
@@nushia7192 wtf are you talking about. Dota 2 has 6 - 8 million Global concurrent players excluding china which should have 2 - 3 million players. Maybe you got confused with daily average players, that's not concurrent players.
@@nushia7192 You are incredibly ignorant. Dota has always consistently had great viewership numbers and the player count has remained consistent after several years. Comeback potential is actually greater in Dota due to the scaling and power of certain heroes and items.
Here we go again dota 2 is always better than League oh my gosh dude just play the game
The second bullet point of 300k makes sense if teams get promoted to certain competitions....They bring in more viewership for big tournaments (like champions league in soccer. That's why teams fight tooth and nail to secure a spot in each league season BECAUSE it brings in a lot of money. Riot needs to understand that to foster growing viewership, there needs to be STAKES.)
Anyone else find it strange that NA teams could hire full rosters of world class pro players from other regions and then fail to get into the semis?
it's not strange, they buy washed up pro players, NA is seen as the retirement home
LCS = Retirement home for imports
NACL = Big money no effort
'I don't care about the game, I just wanna be entertained"
This is what ruined ufc for me. I just wanna see the game.
NA league has been dying for years, however the European, Chinese and Korean scene have been growing and doing great.
Must be a result of NA constantly failing at every international event year after year. Of course fans would get sick watching their own region.
I don't think international results alone have much to do with league's decline in NA since Vietnam and Brazil are also seeing growth.
I think lack of home-grown talent to cheer for is a bigger contributing factor. China might be as import addicted as NA but their own players are keeping pace with imports while yielding good results.
@@laughsinmicroscopic6522 true, it was just my armchair analysis after all but I believe it’s one of the reasons coupled with many other little reasons like also losing superstars like Doublelift and Bjergsen.
People love to root for certain individuals more than a team
dont forget that Na is still fourth, there is a lot of other server that have more and more players despite being bad at international events
@@aeshi8119 tbf thats cause NA gets more spots the other minor regions only get 1 one spot. so its kinda unfair to claim NA is "better" than Brazil,japan,etc when they literally beat those regions in quantity.
Both the failing at tournaments and loss in popularity is much like Tyler1 stated, to do with the structuring of the organizations and stagnation. People pretend there is new talent, but there isn't any. NA doesn't have any new players, and aren't training any. The imports aren't exactly going to drive up excitement either. If anything, things were more fun when LMQ an ALL Chinese team competed for a spot in the LCS. Because NA teams had to preform or be replaced, which LMQ did(They were the 3rd place NA seed at worlds). Which also made NA one of the most competitive regions in Season 4, as TSM and C9 were being pushed. The move towards more "sportsmanlike conduct", in a similar way to major league baseball as Ludwig points out also makes it less fun to watch.
TLDR:
There's no reason to watch, because it's the same people putting in less effort than before. There is nothing new, and none of the players even bother to put on a show anymore.
Right that 3-15 says it all… 😂
Honestly, still watched pro league play until around 2019-2020, even though I stoped playing league years before, and I stoped because I got tired of the player trades and replacements. It’s like every 3 months your whole team roster would change, so what was the point in following a team to begin with.
Well...I got to say as a former League player (as a fan never as Pro)...I am European and I see that a lot of professional European teams that go to the World's of League of Legneds are backed up by bigger sports teams, these teams have the money the stadiums to back up these players that don't do anything else than playing League.
As an example of such teams I can think of Wolverhampton Wanderers F.C. and Paris Saint German (PSG ).
When I look to LCS I don't see a team like the Broncos or the New York Jets doing the same, so players in the US are back up only by Sponsors that they can find, they do the qualifiers and that is it. Teams is Europe have to compete locally. In France PSG isn't the only team fighting to be French Champion, I believe that Marseille, Olympic of Lionais and other french teams and rivals to PSG also have great teams, and a lot to loose if their players don't perform right that year.
It is simple, when you have to play every day with pressure to win, and if you don't win you risk going to a lower Tier Division, you better win! Or the team will kick you out to the curve (sorry being so blunt) because a team like PSG always plays to win no matter what sports they are competing for.
Going to lower tier divisions means loosing big name sponsors, and you can't compete for World's being on the lower Tier either.
So in conclusion, I believe that LCS isn't as strong as Europe or even Asia due to the fact that they don't have big Money sports brands helping them. I bet that If Colorado Broncos starts a League of Legends team those Broncos fans would go crazy everytime their team gets to the finals and that pushes those fans to watch the games, and the sponsors and all of that.
Anyways that is what I think. :)
@@ChristmasLore Yeah Basketball is also a boring game? what's your point?
@@ChristmasLore kek not in basketball. 🤣
Or any American sport for the matter.
@@ChristmasLore I think you misunderstood what the commenter above said. He is talking about big sport clubs in Europe which also have an LoL E-Sports team.
@@88-32 Huh? Basketball and American football is very contact heavy lol. Especially American football. They don't get sued about brain damage by players for nothing.
in NA, the players are definitely primarily focused on getting paid, and not on winning games. They are famously the laziest players in the 4 major world regions.
The majority of the reason why the NA LCS is so fucked up is because Riot gave the orgs too much. They allowed them to go beyond the import cap by saying imports who have played in the region for a couple years are no longer considered imports. They removed relegations which allowed the LCS teams to get complacent and not have to worry about another org's team from the NACL taking their spot. That also made it so only the 10~ LCS orgs were the only people who might invest anything into the NACL, because if you're an outsider org there is basically no way for you to get into the LCS without buying a spot from an already existing org. The proplayers/LCSPA rightfully asked Riot to at least force the LCS orgs to have NACL teams otherwise there wasnt any possibility of new NA talent making it to the LCS and the region would just be filled up with imports. Spoiler alert, the orgs just filled the NACL teams with the worst imports and other washed up players and no new talent has really gotten much of a chance. Players see this shit and understand that no matter how hard they try in ranked they'll never get an opportunity to go pro. At best they sit in the NACL while the orgs continue to buy more imports. Another import thing, the orgs paid absurd amounts of money to get these imports and ironically the NA team that made it to the semi-finals in 2018 (the furthest an NA team has been) was 4 NA players and 2 imports with a Korean coach. So its not like NA literally has no players that are talented. The talented NA players never get to even try out or receive proper coaching. They're either rotting away collecting paychecks in NACL, becoming a streamer since they have a better chance with that, or just outright quitting the game because Riot also neglects to properly police the highest divisions of ranked soloQ. As a matter of fact they've basically neglected every aspect of NA's ranked because you have smurfs and bots ruining low elo games and you have wintraders ruining high elo with toxic people screwing everyone over.
edit: another important thing to mention, nobody really watches the LCS because of the imports. At best you get some Europeans who understand English to watch their favorite European player that got imported to NA but as someone from NA its hard to want to watch the game when almost nobody from my local region is even fucking playing. Why should I care about washed up imports playing against other washed up imports? If by some miracle an "NA" team filled with imports wins Worlds how the hell can I feel any degree of pride for my region? Its not my region at that point. It's a fucking Frankenstein's Monster of a European, Korean, and Chinese region.
edit 2: ALSO, the only players that ever trash talk are NA players (Doublelift) and some EU players. None of the asian imports do much if any trash talk unless they've been here for like 2+ years.
edit 3: Another reason why relegations were a good thing is because it allowed NACL players to play against LCS players and this allowed NACL players to show if they were good enough to play in the LCS to the orgs.
why? its because esports isn't treated seriously by most people from America.
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If RIOT pays out NACL players, they'd have to pay out all the other CL teams from other regions.
LCS can't also have a relegation system, a rich org may have 2 teams, which was already abolished in the early years of other regions.
LCS players are already earning the big bucks. They should stop being entitled and try to work as hard as the other regions.
Imagine having T1's challenger player immediately become LCS' best player in his rookie year there.
the problem with league is, its gotten so complicated over the years that its just not fun to watch, if you dont know the game then you just watch as people get oneshot from timbuktu and you have zero idea wtf is going on.
so as the playerbase is more and more dwindling and only the addicted ones stay to play because they cant stop, they get no views because their game is more complicated than a rubics cube to a non league playing person.
I agree with most of the points here. However it should be pointed out that it's only the NA LCS that's dying, whereas competitive League in other regions is still growing. The "game too complicated to watch" theory, while I absolutely agree with, is still applicable to viewers in other regions too, since it's the same game around the world. So why have viewerships not declined in other place?
While I do think that the complexity of the game is indeed a factor for the decline of the region, there are just bigger ones out there, like NA not performing well internationally and the teams cycling out players too often, most of whom are arguably overpaid imports.
this is a very good point. When i used to watch the LCS, i was playing the game myself. Back then I knew all the champions and what their abilities do. I knew all the items and i knew the meta very well so i understood everything. But i havent touched LoL since 2018, so if i try to watch a game now i can barely recognize the old champions if they have a new skin, let alone if they got totally reworked or if it's a completely brand new champion i've never played or seen before. LoL is not like football or basketball where you can stop watching it for 20 years, come back and you will still understand the game because the rules dont change. Whereas LoL gets patched every month adding new skins, new champions, new items, map changes, and damage numbers balancing, etc.
At least it ain’t Dota, or HON, or Smite.
if that was true other regions would be dying too and dota will literally be a dead game for being 3x for complicated.
Tyler1: I'm just gonna dodge
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Damn
I think Cr1tikal said it the best. It's a lose-lose-lose for everyone involved.
Just like a regular game of League!
The relegation system is way more fair because more competition means better talent and the teams that go above and beyond in their training get a shot at the major league. This is way better than having a major org given a guaranteed spot but terrible management leads to their team to underperform time and time again.
I honestly checked out when they changed the schedule. I remember when I used to watch almost all the games over the weekend. Once they moved to the Wed-Fri I pretty much dropped watching NALCS.
This drama has made me interested in LCS for the first time in years.
Riot gives money to teams every season.
some of those teams used the money to expand to other games.
Because there is no salary cap, there's players getting paid millions, therefore maintaining the team is expensive, this was driven by the teams competing against each other, outbidding to get certain players
NACL is dead compared to LCS(which is dying too). they get less than 5k views on tw.
So, teams asked RIOT to scrap NACL because there is no return of investment, Riot was like, fair enough we're scrapping it.
Thing is, RIOT said that this wouldn't happen until next year, and that they would keep players in the loop.
But that didn't happened. And they pushed for the changes within 2 weeks of the season starting.
Players were like:" hold on a minute, out of no where over 100 people now have no jobs. we got demands."
And RIOT point now is like: other regions have no academy league and they are more successful than you lot, if we cave in to nacl now we need to do it for every other region.
So they took all this with a grain of salt.
NACL has been heavily criticised by people like tyler1 and IWillDominate, bc what was meant to be a place to grow hungry players that want to have the drive to play in the major league, now is infested with some that are only there to get a stable income without doing much.
Invest in the colleague leagues and give them opportunities, same way that for EU has with their french league, spanish league etc...
NA scene on it's own it's not worth as it stands. reminds me of what happened to PUBG that moved all the way to Asia bc their audience is there.
TLDR: teams f'd up with expensive salaries to outbid other teams from getting certain players, which brings up the expenses and makes the teams / investors have no return of investment. they asked riot to scrap the nacl to save on salaries, riot allowed that, and bc was on top of the knee and no transition, players "RIOTED" and are asking for demands. which riot is like: you give me no money at all why should I care about you?
NACL is basically LCS retirement home at this point.
Riot should just take away 300k from the money they give to LCS teams and make sure they can ONLY spend it on NACL. It probably wouldnt change much to improve quality or viwership but I feel like that would make players satisfied.
@@janstraka8674 which is hilarious when you consider LCS to be the retirement house of everyone in the world. IMO best team in NA is Flyquest, which bar Vulcan everyones imported. (well to be fair, not sure if we can consider impact imported by now) :)
@@Raddon I agree with you, but I honestly rather see them investing in the colleague leagues. first of all, it would not be as expensive as NACL is. I would have a north, east, south west league, like football has on districts level, and at the end of the split would get the top 2 of each league to compete on a tourney with losers bracket.
Not only you are checking the best teams in the colleague scene, you are giving young talent experience in tourneys competitions, which brings out the best of us.
If Riot does not like this idea. allow other organizations to have their LoL tourneys, would be healthy for the game to have LoL at IEM for example.
@@sixscriptsunder my bet on Best team in NA would be C9 but otherwise I agree
Asmon is not wrong tho. This is why CS is fun. A lot of the players are mental and thus fun to watch.
The joy of seeing an Asmongold video recommendation then being crushed by the realization that it’s just a reaction to Ludwig’s opinion on something hurts every time
I feel like another part of the issue is that once players get noticed enough, they retire to streaming as soon as it's more profitable. Great players aren't even playing anymore because there's too much BS and stress playing in a league where you make 500k-1m/year vs millions streaming. Why would anyone want to waste their life in the LCS?
NA needs to have 2 servers east and west, its kinda proven that servers with great ping helps develop good players over time
CAP, Americans cant be good at games, u all s&&& even in sport, thats why u created own games/sports bcs u cant win vs eu/asian players
In the game smite there was a player called cherrio who played a skillshot character on 200 ping in EU as we was playing from egypt, competitively for many years. So its not like ping prevents any talent
you can have a server in every city and it still wont make a difference. NA players just dont care about getting better, they have a bad work ethic compared to players and teams from other regions. Also the player base is smaller because LoL is not as popular in NA as it is in other regions. Not to mention that because American players speak english, they probably prefer to become streamers than pro players. If you're a challenger player, you can make just as much if not more money from streaming than from being a pro player for half the effort.
@@bigfsi_smite777 put him in a 10 ping server and you'll see Rock Lee without weights lmao
People tend to shrug this off, but I completely agree. I’ve been playing league since release in SoCal. I’ve been Diamond+ every season, including the equivalent elo before the modern ranked system existed, so I’m not completely clueless. Back in the early seasons, SoCal ping was between 10-20. It felt incredibly smooth; I could make mechanical plays consistently. After the transition to Chicago servers, ping spiked up to 70. The difference was drastic. I still play league, but it will never be the same. Then I see the Korean pros playing with 5-7ping, getting to train on that every day. It’s not the only difference, but it sure as hell is a contributing factor. Moving their single NA server away from the pro scene hotspot instead of creating two is the worst decision Riot NA has ever made, IMO. Maintaining integrity in your competitive esports game with low ping trumps any benefits of consolidating NA players into fewer servers. I’d gladly wait double the queue times for a smooth in-game experience.
People always pick the wrong times to strike and negotiate
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Some prime @AsmonGold humor here: "What does Ludwig know? He saw the number 3-15 and he drew a conclusion from that number..." - so simple, so true, so deadpan.
There is a lot of criticism about how Valve shepherds Dota 2, which is why I'm thankful for their "hands-off" approach to regions and teams.
I think this LCS drama, especially in the NA region, is just a reflection of a general trend with two factors:
- You can make more money doing a lot of other things. Winning anything is barely enough money for the First Place Team so imagine what happens to the rest. The system is set up to snowball: You have to win small tourneys, then you have to win majors, then finals, and then you are finally in good shape. A losing player can end up playing A LOT of high-pressure games and make less money in a year than if they just streamed or did a 9am to 5pm job.
- There has been a general trend away from MOBAs and into other genres. Tastes and trends change over time and adding more stuff (characters, maps, drops, etc) isn't going to change the trend. The MOBA matches can be exciting but watching other games is just more casual and fun. Try explaining why a specific play was awesome and a lot of people will just shrug.
As people know, this is the reason why Riot has been pumping money into other games where they see the trends on League and saw a need to diversify before it was too late.
League is actually growing in other regions. This drama and issues is just particular to NA LCS, who is probably only the 5th largest in terms of viewership.
@@tlanimass952 LoL isn’t growing, that’s a myth.
Dang the players trying to make demands when they're bleeding money and saying they'll walk out will just do riot a favor and cancel the whole thing
Literally used to have the demotion and promotion thing between LCS and NACL or w/e its called these days - It was nice to get some new faces in there, some showed some personality every once in awhile.
The whole reason early competitive leage was hype, was any random team could climb tourneys and go pro. Now it’s what, seeing the same 10 teams play for years?
If NA teams would just get good and start winning none of these issues would happen. Like why would fans watch losers? That's the problem. Faker had been playing the game for a long time and fans still watch him, why? It's because he continues to be relevant by staying competitive. He lost a lot and even missed a World's spot but he came back better. However NA teams continue to suck and is only alive coz of the players they got from other regions.
not just Faker, LCK quality as a whole is better quality than the west.. smaller teams despite their low chances of success.. even with roster changes happening a lot, you sometimes see new talents on these rosters. the level of plays makes it very enjoyable..
the chaos that are team fights.. you cant tell who is going to with that fight until the very end.
They do not trash talk eachother at all because culture is way different. they only care about the games they play.. outisde of that they are normal people to eachothers. i havent seen it in other LoL leagues
When you hear about people praising Arkane, one of the most common follow-ups is "but don't play league tho, for your own good". I'm not sure that is how that was supposed to go.
I love how words of wisdom usually come from Tyler, I've been following him since the incident with Reckful, RIP, and he is just an emotional intelligent person. It's crazy NA as a major region has such an attitude with their "achievements" over the last few years. And then they give riot an ultimatum, at this point just let all the academy teams lose as individual teams and na will hopefully get some life and soul back. And who knows maybe we get the next bjergsen or Doublelift of their time. We prob won't get the next faker from that but hey, at least it's something enjoyable, it's the pro play trainingsarc of American proplay. I'm behind riots decision on this one.
I agree, however, I couldn't help but laugh imagining Tyler1 and the words "emotionally intelligent" 7 years ago when his target inting was in full swing.
But tyler's point is something that the teams have brought upon themselves. Why the fuck are they putting retired players in the academy instead of at least trying to find people from the soloq or whatever?
Also the ones most in the comfort zone are the teams themselves that don't want a relegation system so they can keep being shit. Players are actually asking for a relegation system lul
@@KFGustavo because of contracts, branding, and prestige.
Tyler1 isn't an idiot, he's just a really really angry dude
This is the most amercian take I have ever heard. The reason why EU sports and esports are so much better than NA is because the focus is on the quality of the game that is being played, thats what makes the enterrtainement. In NA the focus is on the entertainement AROUND the sport during breaks etc. And then they wonder why they suck KEKW
I liked when Asmon played games.
He still does, and he's even posted full stream vods on this channel, recently.
You need to get on Twitch he plays all the time, this channel is just him Reacting to stuff
NBA/ESPN: Ja Morant is our biggest problem
Asmon: this guy is saving the NBA
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Completely agree with Asmon here, I stopped playing league at the beginning of this year after playing for 7 or 8 years. The reality is e-sports is not professional sports. Gamers are not the same as your average athlete, the culture is different. "But what about the sponsors" - the sponsors and riot are stupid for trying to change the culture surrounding gaming. They hindered their own growth and money making potential by limiting what players can say and do. The entertainment value isn't there because no one has personality. Also, how are players mad about them not having consistent pay when they control everything. If they played better, more people would watch, but they freaking stink. NA LCS is literally 1950s basketball, its fundamentally behind, nothing innovative and their whole schtick is trying to find the most athletic black guy or in this case Korean/Chinese player to play for them.
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The biggest misconception is that the walkout is because of the academy teams being removed. It's actually because Riot promised to discuss things like that with the player's association first. I think that's totally reasonable. Everyone knows academy teams are bleeding money while eSports is tanking. That was an obvious consequence. But Riot should not just out of the blue make lots of peoples jobs be redundant.
This system league uses to sell major organizations a slot for $10M is doomed to fail because it happened in Overwatch. After Season 1 of OWL, the minor league team RunAway were destroying almost every major league team with the same roster.
Its also the amount of strictness riot has over player behaviour
" League is Old "
say the one who played WOW and still does.
Its equivalent to an employee demanding to stay employed to a company when they have been fleecing salary with negative improvement. This society needs to wake up and stop demanding things and start earning them.
"What does Ludwig know?"
He saw the 3-15 😂😂😂😂
Funny how there's a constant stream of drama coming in,I ain't complaining these are the types of videos i love to have in the background
League has been taking choices that I disagree with. I end up liking things that later gets refused. Running Gold seals on every lane I play? Removed because it was seen as used just to abuse an item that was strong for supports at the time. I enjoy running the Ghost summoning item, flat out removed. Running dead man's on Bard or Morg? Slow removed. Doesn't effect Bard but nerfs why Morg would run it, non stop removing on hit slows that Morg can often use because no reason to build an AD item for morg just for on hit slows.
They keep removing items and not adding any. I loved dusk blade when it auto scanned for wards, now I hate the replacement because it's a trash item. Damage it does never justifies taking it as ADC, Sen may like it but I hate her as support and see her as an ADC who is broken right now with IE as she can get 40% chance if she rushes it. I assume that will be nerfed because I used to Rage blade on her because it turned crit into damage and that got removed.
Every strat I end up liking and enjoying, gets flat out removed. Yes I may be abusing off meta builds but I end up using them before or right after pro leagues start using and abusing them to their removal. Giving me less choice doesn't make the game funner. I play a little bit by I have no interest in it like I used to because anything I find abusable will just get nerfed or removed.
Hell it started when I climbed out of low Bronze in like S4-S5 with Siv because she broken the game being able to sword into Last whisper that was 40% back then and not only was her ult weakened, how ever last whisper was gutted into the trash it is today. People hated on Last whisper so much as well back in the day and turns out, it was broken as hell. With it's nerf, ADC has really need a useless role that works best split pushing and Roaming. Granted IE was the must build at the time but it really wasn't as good as everyone thought at the time.
Riot's stated reason is totally false.
Currently 10 franchises that own 1 LCS and one minor league team each. There is no "other" owners to fight the rev share over. Instead you emancipate the minor league teams, make the 10 minor leaguers as pay-to-play, non owned, league minimum earning salaried entities and not "franchised" players. 2 teams from the majors and minors go to relegation series' every year. So, when the season ends the top team in the minors plays against the worst team of the majors, 5 game series, winner goes up loser goes down. Second best plays second worst, same deal. When one of the major league teams is relegated, just shift the upcoming minor league team to the hands of the team that lost theirs to relegation.
Still a 10 way even revenue split but now you can actually escape contractual obligation to a high dollar player if they don't put down a high dollar performance. If you lose, you actually make more money because next year you've got a cheaper squad to make the same revenue or better.
If they WANTED to make it work, they could. But they dont.
People need to not fear businesses when they throw tantrums. If there is capital to be made, people will do it, regardless of the regulations. There are black markets in North Korea all over the place despite how running or using one can get you into very serious trouble. Never accept the idea that businesses having to fall in line will make them suddenly not want money anymore. They compulsively seek it and will work around any obstacles they have to in order to get it.
"this many people are watching and there aren't" Riot has been inflating monthly numbers for years. The smurf problem...is a problem.
What Asmongold doesn't see as someone outside of the scene, is that the NACL is the only real method of developing non-imported North American talent that exists. The reason viewership has gone down is because the quality of NA league in relation to the global scale has gone down. In prior years sure the furthest we ever made it was the semi-finals, but currently even getting a win in the group stages sounds like a tall ask. Big-name NA players like Bjergsen, Sneaky, Doublelift, etc have all either retired or are mostly past their prime. These are the guys that helped bring the huge growth in popularity and hype of League in North America to begin with. People were tuning in to watch their favorite players regardless what team they were on. These guys were all so fun to watch that you had the belief they could beat the top teams in the world if they played well, regardless how bad the teams actually were in comparison.
On top of that, they moved the LCS games to weekday afternoons... basically signaling that they have no reason to put these games at any sort of time that people who might still care can actually easily watch them. People will tune in to watch Lebron James play in a dogsh*t awful men's league recreational basketball tournament regardless who he's playing with, but they will not tune in to watch that same team filled with random no-name players. And when you then decide to kill the minor league that is the only thread of hope to develop another future Lebron James, you are essentially admitting that you really don't care about the future of the game.
Nowadays if you try to watch LCS, the top talent is a bunch of minor league players poached from other regions. I'm someone who although hasn't played in many years, has consistently enjoyed watching and following along with the pro-league scene. If I turn on LCS nowadays, I genuinely haven't heard of 80%+ of the players in a given game. The majority of league fans from North America have now just moved on to root for T1 or other global teams because there is nothing to watch for anymore. There is no passion or excitement left in NA LCS thanks to franchising, and there is certainly no hope.
EDIT: I just wanted to add after watching T1's thing at the end... his "TCS" league tournament was some of the most fun league content I've ever watched. He got all the biggest name streaming talent and also just made it entertaining to watch ASIDE from any actual gameplay. So you were excited just to tune in to watch the funny shit in between games, and then the games themselves because of the hype behind the people playing in them. I even remember twitter drama between captains of the teams or something like that, similar to WWE or something. They really do need to hire this dude (Tyler) as a consultant
That's how it always has worked that's why strikes never work. They just bring in people who are willing to work.
Well the biggest problems is imports, no hype for the players, and they play the same champs over and over like we already know who’s gonna win just by draft
Comparing "The Worlds" with the highest prize pool of $6.5 million VS The International with the highest prize pool of $40 million is like comparing female football vs men's football.
Am i the only one thinking that the "demands" are somewhat contradicting ? A valorant competitive system would suggest an absolute priority of winning, meaning the level of competition goes up and ultimately cuts off any players who aren't carrying their own weight and more. 🤔
Ironically i would have been hyped to actually watch a bunch of bronze scabs competing in the lcs
the thing about modern viewership numbers, is that players are paid with ingame items to watch, and most are just putting it in the background on 144 muted.and, if its a recording, on 2x speed on multiple tabs
And this is why we have collective bargaining agreements in other sports.
League has been out since 2009. You are still essentially on the same map from 14 years ago. They've had that long to implement new changes but instead the game is filled to an endless abyss of Character Aesthetic purchases. There's a reason League isn't popular anymore. Stagnation.
Agree that it’s stupid to make esports prim and proper. Halo 2 competitive scene was an absolute blast. Ghandi bringing toilet paper to the main stage to throw at his opponents while yelling “get pooped on” is what makes esports great
Someone needs to tell Ludwig that Vanilla Ice wants his hair back.