when TSM Raven COOKS UP the Legends Tier List after Season 20 Changes for ALGS! 🤔
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- when TSM Raven COOKS UP the Legends Tier List after Season 20 Changes for ALGS! 🤔
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Raven looks like that tech kid that always helped Kim possible with that gameboy face call thingy 😅
Wade lookin ahh
chat doesnt understand the difference between comp meta and ranked queue meta lol
Fr. 😂 like I love using Maggie cuz of her thermite ult, but I can understand why there’s not point for it to be in comp.
Rundown by Raven focusing on explaining what legends will be used in comp. Legends providing no help to the team recieved no talking points.
0:08 Caustic
0:36 Wattson
1:53 Valkyrie
4:36 Bangalore
4:54 Bloodhound
5:13 Ballistic
6:30 Catalyst
6:50 Ash
6:52 Conduit
7:02 Crypto
?:?? Fuse (doesn't elaborate)
7:15 Gibraltar
8:12 Mad Maggie
9:08 Horizon
9:20 Lifeline
9:23 Mirage
9:25 Loba
9:25 New Castle
9:40 Octane
9:40 Pathfinder
9:40 Rampart
9:48 Seer
9:50 Wraith
10:05 Revenant
?:?? Vantage (doesn't elaborate)
conduit might not be good for comp but the downplay is crazy 😂😂 i don’t want her nerfed or anything but everyone in upper ranks still plays her for a reason
Conduit will only be played by contesting teams or teams that for some reason still want to play edge, but appart from that she's very useless. But yeah, in ranked? She's still OP
This is clearly a comp tier list not an ooga booga w key the whole lobby tier list.
She is good in comp wdym lol
This season is so much fun to play, best season in a long time 😊
Fr!
Yeah it’s addicting
This seems like a tierlist based on how they fair versus caustic
Gibby is insane this season, I know Raven is in his position for a reason but the Gibby perks are clutch especially for end game with longer bub and extra hp on revive
Shouldn’t even listen to these people to be honest
@@TJzWayyThis isn’t for ranked/ pub games so why would you not listen to them
The new ash perk combos insanely well with caustic ult or any damage util like fuse or maggie. I swear if she just had a more reliable ult she would comp viable or at the very least not in the very bottom tier.
Fr ash is healthy for the game
Crypto bang underated duo
shout out on that title fight playing, big fan
Mirage is on my most hated list dude is annoying to go against especially when its buildings
🤣
On behalf of all Mirage mains we are happy to be on your list, can't wait to see you in a building again😊
@@trevtheartistofficial9347Catch this PK to the dome
I love it when I almost kill a mirage in a fragment building, he pops ult and runs, I catch him after a while but guess what... Have another ult so it literally clutters my screen 😭
Valk is such a troll pick
I normally never play crypto, but I’ve started using him in ranked this season and HE IS THE SHIT!!!
Just move the whole tierlist (except S) up one tier lol
Is he listening to title fight? Thats sick
i think horizon is still good you just cant land on a purple and start flying around in the q with extra health you have to be aware what armour you have tryna go up it and if you use it properly you can take minimal damage, also people say the perks are bad but they are actually pretty busted its just a free gold helm buff on either your ult or tactical and it stacks when you have a gold helm yourself i always make my team drop it to me cause its so good for the ult cooldown and if you choose to stack the tac cooldown with gold helm you get a 15 second cooldown on it
except the tactical perk is just reverting the nerf that came with the perks
@@ryanhoang1123 yeah but if they didn't nerf it horizon would have been able to get a 10 second cooldown with gold helm and tactical perk which would be mega OP
Rampart disrespect is crazy
Yea fr lol I picked her up and my win rate has gone up
She is literally terrible. I used to like playing her. It’s just to easy to beat a person using the Sheila gun in a 1v1 lol most are so trash and predictable
LMAO☠️ nah it’s the bots and casuals who overrate that Garbo character. I’ve heard players nickname that character garbopart bc of the utility they bring is a gimmick, it’s not even a niche.
Why do you think actual top tier pros and players don’t rate it? Garbopart is the only controller character that hasn’t either won a LAN or even placed on the podium let alone top 5 ☠️🤣
@@dvp1694 all that Yapping man
@@Kahzula you beat bot people who pull out Sheila in a middle of a gun fight I don’t even do that 💀
Crypto counters watt and caustic so hard rn
But he doesn’t do anything else besides that
Cryptos still trash
How you supposed to run up with a mega Ult?
Unless you shoot his drone, then he is a useless character, which is why he is a bad character.
1. If cryptos drone gets shot he loses all abilities he becomes the equivalent of a firing range dummy
2. If crypto emps an already established caustic he most likely is holding onto 3 barrels from waiting so long which means he can easily setup once again as well as potentially having his ultimate
3. Theres a lot of conduits running around which make damage from emp irrelevant
Fucking title fight let’s go!!
Newcastle being that low is wild
He deserves it
I can see where his logic is coming from. In very high skill lobbies, NC is not a useful pick for the team.
He can't help the team rotate. He can't lock down a location like wattson/Caustic. And he can't break or disrupt defenses (except in extremely specific circumstances)
A good NC player can literally carry their team in pubs and mid to lower ranks.
But the upper echelon's meta is very rigid and NC doesn't fit into it right now
@@philipbrackett443I just drop the taxi2g real quick.
How so? Gibby and lifeline both have a better revive and his tactical is useless against nearly everyone. His ult is also mid and can easily be destroyed by a rampart, Maggie, fuse and can easily be pushed by bang ult, Gibby ult, caustic ult and horizon ult. He needs a rework because nothing about his kit is special. Forgot to mention that he has a very huge hitbox.
This is for comp
This list is criminal. Played apex literally 1/1000th of the time this guy has and I could make a better tier list
Lol I think the exact same thing but then I realize how much his opinion has won for TSM and he's speaking about comp so I let it slide but apart from the 0.5% of ALGS players this tier list doesn't mean much to the rest of us
@@johnwashington9135 very true
@@skinfluithero4885this is for ALGS not for ranked or pubs, it’s a complete different ballgame
Lifeline at the bottom? Nah. This guys trippin.
What’s Raven’s socials? Twitch/Yt?
can we rework ash already
I still think Horizon is super strong for comp
Crypto is undervalued here. Considering, comp environment with 13 teams in the second last ring, majority plays Caustic and Wattson, his ult is greatly beneficial
I love how worlds edge gets its own category
Wattson, newcastle, valk comp
No scan? This meta is filled with bang smoke all over your screen while bloodhound knows everywhere you are. This comp only works if you want no kills and just want to sit in the middle of zone waiting for placement.
Caustic is so fire. Death Hammer go crazy.😊
This video is not talking about gold/plat lobbies. This is for ALGS pro competitions. Why do people not get this
There all bronze players with no brain
It's biased goggles, I was thinking the same thing until I realized he's won MAJORS based on his opinion for the ALGS so this tier list is good information people just can't see that it doesn't apply to 99.95% of the rest of the players
Valk so good for map rotation but doesn’t help I’m still getting low skilled teammates
this video is not talking about gold/plat lobbies. This is for ALGS pro competitions. Why do people not get this
Wattson has high value/utility, but Raven never emphasizes that she also has a ton of inflexibility because she is purely defensive...So if you play her, you are forced to compensate with your playstyle or your other legend picks. EG, Catalyst/Conduit/Caustic can be used much more aggressively while also having a lot of defensive value.
He literally said the only team to play wattson correctly is blackhvnd which was the most aggressive team in the last LAN and completely rolled TSM on every 3v3 they had.
He literally did...And goldfish literally live in water.@@mitchellcarter2799
@@mitchellcarter2799minus the one at finals.
@mitchell Blackvnd got 2nd for a reason. Just like Furia.......And you didn't actually respond to anything I said with your reply...STANS are out
how is maggie better than fuse?
Absolutely wrong on rampart
Guys I’m not saying mirage is good but he is really fun and 99.99% of y’all should play him or someone else fun
But seer ult goes through cat walls, how is that strat not busted again?
They made it so you can’t see through cat wall with seer ult like 6 months ago or something afaik but yeah otherwise that would be crazy
@@HOJCasts not true, used the combo in a pubs match and you could in fact see the foot steps through the wall. Literally go play and see.
@@-LAH so you know the three story building in fragment (not streamer building but the one to the right of it if you are facing the train station), I put it on the bottom floor and pushed a team up the stairs, we cut the stairs in half but could still see their footsteps through it. Idk it was a really easy wipe 🤷♂️
Everytime I see this kid I wonder what he is? Mexican Indian Samoan? All of the above? It matters
With Caustic being good wouldn't Horizon also be good? You can Q the whole team out of the gas. You can also wombo the enemies into your own Caustic's ult. And the few Valk points regarding evac towers are simply removed if you.. well, play Horizon. I feel like Ash is also way undervalued, especially with Caustic, you can literally prevent them from moving out of the gas or endgame nade spam. I mean, other characters are bettee but she's in no way useless in this current meta.
They gotta change the shooting the caustic trap to deactivate it to only be able to shoot the bottom
that is the only way to deactivate it, you can shoot it out of existence anywhere but it will activate the gas
@@milnertechnologies9556as the canister is inflating you can shoot it anywhere to destroy it. Before you had to shoot the bottom no matter what.
Fuck no, playing against caustic pre nerf was literally cancer, ik u main them but fuck that shit literally nobody other than the people who play him wants that to happen
@@lRockyI youd just have to aim to the bottom to shoot the trap it wouldnt change much
Mans better put some respect on my boy mirage. The fact that he gets his ult every 30 seconds is ridiculous. I pop his Ult twice sometimes 3 times in fights
Every legend gets buffed with perks and lower cooldowns and somehow still half of the legends are ranked in shit tier? That’s a big cap
They work in gold and silver lobbies but not in diamond or higher. Nobody falls for mirage decoys anymore. Ash perks are all mid and her ult is a one way. Octane looses too much health on stim and he’s very loud. Pathfinder literally got nerfs for no reason at all, he hasn’t been good since season 5 and do I even have to explain vantage? Crypto is a slow paced legend and the game is all about full sending teams with bang and blood. There are very little people that can pull crypto off and make him effective. Lifelines ult takes too long, her self revive isn’t good because you get insta killed, and her tactical has too long of a cooldown. Loba should be a bit higher but she doesn’t provide anything else to a team but loot. Newcastle is a throw pick in every lobby diamond or higher and seer got nerfed to the ground. I explained brief reasoning on why I believe those legends don’t get picked and raven can probably provide an entire essay on it 😂
these are the biggest changes Apex has ever seen (and some of the boldest changes any game has attempted 5 years after launch), and this community is still saying "only matters in gold and silver". This is why this community gets a bad rep -- a bunch of entitled children@@Hi-rp9jq
Can't even watch this, fix your damn 🎙️ LOL 🙉
how does he not even use the A tier?
cuz characters from s to b tier are way better in comparison in comp, so there are no characters that are better than b but worse than s
@@crangadoalso this list is specifically for comp algs play. This list wont quite reflect a real tier list for ranked and pubs. The list would look way different if it included ranked and pubs.
Honestly this meta is so ass. Even worse than before because now nobody can see through smoke except bloodhound, SO YOU NEEEEEED A BLOODHOUND AND A BANGALORE IN YOUR COMP. This is the only comp now. Amazing.
We can have a more possitive communitive if the pros quit apex legends, in that we can get possitive pros with possitive tier list and very knowleged tier list.
Lol when did pros all of a sudden decided Horizon was not viable to use and even conduit? I can understand catalyst, bang even but the other 2 didnt receive any nerfs
I swear the pro scene is just monkey see monkey do kinda thing. Where if 1 team uses caustic and do well, every1 else copy their comp.
Idk just my opinion
Conduit got nerfed and Horizon has been on her way out of the Meta for a while with the constant nerfs she's been receiving. Also every character got shadow buffed/nerfed through perks. On top of that certain characters will be meta due to another character being Hyper-meta and always played.
Pros still use Horizon and Conduit even after indirect or direct nerfs. This dude just always tries to be edgy. He said last week Valk wasn’t good and now his team runs Valk. Take his opinion with a grain of salt as it changes with the wind.
because horizon got shit perk ups, but s tier characters got really op ones, so it makes horizon not be that good. it's not monkey see monkey do, if a mirage team did well everyone would still not use him
Horizon got a cool-time nerf on her q this season
@@buddhastl7120wow dude a patch dropped and his opinion changed thats so crazy ur so braindamaged
They should make it where if caustic traps are in his ult they are much harder to destroy.
today in "changes that nobody asked for and would have 0 impact on the game":
By watching so many scrims when Hal play. I can say that Raven is not the brain lol he is just there to calm Hal down lol
You’re a bot
Meanwhile raven has won championship with them, you don't realize how much work raven also puts in with being a coach, they just don't show it all. But yeah typical bronze players thinking there better than a coach
I’m sorry but I don’t think any of these characters are s tier. Everyone he’s got in s tier is definitely just a tier. Even with the new perk system, legend abilities all around are still weaker in comparison to raw gunplay. Definitely some good legend picks, but nothing broken imo.
Horrible thought process on ash
No its not,q sucks cock,ash tp is the most predictable shit ever with a below avg dick lenght ,do that shit in competetive ur gonna be on ur knees as soon as u exit that thing.This is a COMPETETIVE tier list.
Doesn’t change the fact that she’s utterly dogshit. There is no reason to play ash. One way ult isn’t good her tac is alright and nobody cares for her passive.
Can they just rework Bang so we can ACTUALLY get a meta change? Instead of a Smoke screen, give her a small blast of smoke that she throws down and acts like more like a Trancer blink. The smoke would almost be like a magician throwing down his disappearing smoke. The double time and the blink would make her still very viable but not so impactful.
If anything they’ll make it so she only gets 1 smoke at a time plus a smoke cooldown perk
Watching analytics of other esports and then coming to apex makes me think these guys are just winging it.. how is horizon bad now when nothing happened to her so now caustic is OP??? Like shes been getting beamed out of her Q for a year but now shes bad?
seems fairly simple, people didn't play valk because her overall kit sucked, now people play valk for the increased ult height etc so that means she's the best at taking height in a fight, horizion like last season would get beamed out the air, she got nerfed last season remember? now there's a legend that can take height better than her, she's not that great and for caustic its simple, he's always been strong but didn't fit the meta, now he has 50% increased ult size, its pretty nuts
i understand simple things like valk height buff and caustic ult. But horizon still doesn't make sense to me. if she was so bad last season why was she prio.. and now shes garbage when she could easily wipe a caustic team. I just don't understand why every team needs to run the same team comp.
it's risk reward, last season there was no other good option so if you wanted to take height, you risked being beamed, now the game offers less chance of being beamed with valk so people are going for it and yeah you're right, hrz can still easily wipe squads etc but is it worth having when you get other value from valk. tbf after watching scrims, the variety in comps is really big atm@@xrizzer1296
@xrizzer1296 thats how it works in most esports with character abilities. There is a meta that most people follow. Some teams play off meta.
Can we agree that the pros are worst thing that happend in apex legends
Finally someone said it. Ive never seen a game more catered to their pro players as much as apex, the way respawn doesn’t consider its Pub and casual playerbase is nasty work.
bro what 💀
I’ve seen plenty of pros say the opposite
Tbh u have skill issues
Nah pros keep this game alive tbh
I can’t take Raven seriously at all, he’s a good coach sure but some of his takes are totally abysmal
if it were up to him Hal would be on Cat still
kind of weird how he ends up being right
This tier list is based on algs lobbies not bronze lobbies like your in...
what is he right about hes been saying Conduit is bad but its op even after nerfs@@IronLungGaming
He said "Shes bad unless you have purple armors off drop, and even then theres legends with so much more utility.@@eMikerism
I love competitive ❤
Funniest thing is Bangalore as considered trash until shiv played her and then everyone started playing her then she gets nerfed for the first time in the game. She was the most balanced legend since the beginning of the game
Shiv had nothing to do with bang being played in comp, better characters got nerfed. She stayed the same or got buffed and people realized bang + digi is hard counter to controller.
@@AzureKaspar And then they had to remove digis from smg to appease controller players crying about it lol.
@@AzureKaspar he was playing bang every tourney no matter what. So ya he’s the first one don’t care about why others jumped to bang. Her kit never changed
@@-LAH I’ve played since day 1 she was never changed aka most balanced. You’re new to apex I understand
@@AzureKaspar sounds like followers with no creativity
Didn't know u can be bad at making tier list and the reasons behind the characters
lol terrible take
Crypto their is nuts
there* and no it isn't at all, shoot cryptos drone and he is useless for an entire fight
I play all the legends and everybody are really good legends but i say this because they are like nicewigg, faide, aceu, iTzTimmy, etc. That they are very positive or very knowleged but they are others like TSM Raven, imperiahal, etc. At least they get rid of the toxic and annoying pro player and let the positive pro player in the game or maybe they can introduce others good content creator like thatpunchkid, thegamingmerchant, staycation, etc. And make this good and possitive content creator in pros that make the game very healthy and possitive.
You can ignore them. This kind of content is useful and can be entertaining for people who are more into the competitive side of Apex.
Ok can u explain your characters r bad next time…lazy
Ash is S tier for her Q 😂
TSM Raven is a stupid toxic for not put rampart in a tier S or A
@@Meanboyzz"pros doesn't test her" lul
@@Meanboyzz yeah, every time the pros say the same stupid thing. Sometimes i ask myself why they can try out Rampart every time and see how really good she is.
They said Bangalore was 💩 for three years until Shooby came from PS5 and abused her smoke now she’s meta. They said Seer was 💩 until HisWattson farmed pro lobbies with him then he became meta. This guy occasionally has some good points but by no means is he the authority on the game.
Part of ramparts viability in algs is that teams haven't played versus her enough. Her walls are really vulnerable to coordinated fire. If a team does a 3,2,1 countdown and focuses a wall, its very easy to be caught with no cover and get picked for free. I say this as a rampart main.
rampart in comp is next to useless her walls get shot out in seconds and the only good thing is her ult
I like vantage for ranked this season. Blue perk is scanning the other beacon, making her able to scan zone AND teams. This provides easy armor upgrades at 200 points per scan and increasing the likelihood you can get info from your poi. Zone, and team info. She's got good movement, and you can run a mid/close range setup with the ability to still put some sniper shots out. She's great for griefing other teams. If you see teams fighting, you can see which one has the shield/player count advantage and give the weaker team some help. Shooting the stronger team with her sniper will make them take more damage from all sources, evening the odds. Potentially getting a 3 stack team out of the lobby and leaving the weaker team.
The info she gets letting you know how many people are in a squad and their shield level. Gives you more opportunities to get rats out of the game, netting you higher kp and placement. If a team is full sending you her kit isn't much help though.
you're on roller and I just know it.
@IronLungGaming not much choice, I play on console
All this and she’s still the worst legend in the game. She gets eaten alive by current bang and blood meta running at that 50 damage sniper that gives away your entire position. In diamond+ lobbies not a single soul will pick her. Telling what level shields opponents have is garbage due to you being able to hit them to see their shield level. Echo gotta be the worst tatical in game especially because of how buggy it is. Her ult just lets everyone know I’m hard scoping and that they should just bang smoke her vision away and bloodhound push her.
console player take
@Hi-rp9jq post your apex account and we will see who is the higher rank