The Survival Logbook is STILL important... and it changes FNAF 3.
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2024
- Even today, parts of the Survival Logbook have gone entirely unsolved, like the tally marks and Foxy Grid. But in this video, I go over some very crucial things in the Logbook that have gone overlooked, and how they affect FNAF 3 (and even Security Breach).
Happiest Day easter egg post: / the_mysterious_40th_bi...
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Brightened Sister Location cutscene footage by epicsurfingvids: • FINAL SISTER LOCATION ...
Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, and Foxy renders by RamChoops, models by Steel Wool Studios.
The Mimic render by er-tiler-pyzik-2003 on DeviantArt.
All music is FNAF OST by Leon Riskin (The Forbidden Nocturne, Drag Me to the Crusher, Black Lava, Last Breath, Broken 8-Bit Theme, Hibernating Evil)
00:00 Intro
00:45 What even IS the Logbook?
06:24 Why Michael is the FNAF 3 guard
10:29 The Real Value code
13:22 FNAF 3's actual year
15:14 Justifying the year 2017 (or 2015)
16:59 FNAF 1's actual year
20:05 Why does this even matter?
21:10 The Mimic/The Storyteller timeline
26:34 Yeah, I know, FNAF 6 exists
27:36 An "honorable" mention: MetaLogbook
29:23 nessie97 - Hry
Absolutely adore this video! :D
A couple months ago I was looking into the idea of FNAF 1 - 1992 and FNAF 3 - 2015 and I love the ideas you brought to the table!
I found out something probably coincidental but I still think it's an interesting discovery!
Following the formula of how the first two games' Night 5 and Night 6 both take place on November 12th and November 13th respectively, if you apply the same formula to FNAF 3 with these years (+1987!!), every Night 6 in the first 3 games takes place on a Friday the 13th! ;)
I’m only just now seeing this, but I had discovered the same thing a while ago! I had actually written a whole section on this in the video but scrapped it since it was already running long. Another person responded to me on Reddit with the same observation (unless you’re that person lol). It’s really cool to know there are other people who noticed this. I’ve pinned your comment!
aw nah
I'm so glad you brought up Foxy in the logbook as being Michael Afton, it's something that no one has ever mentioned about and it drives me insane.
I don’t know about that. Michael Afton is too disinterested in Foxy to be the older brother. He’s into Freddy Fazbear more.
@@justice8718and where did you get that information from??
@@nezusno1 Black foot ferret.
Gibi's Good Idea and Bad Idea mentioned that in his almost 9 hour fnaf video. Also, he claimed that FNAF 3 takes place at 2015. It's a really good video
@@justice8718i mean, he’s literally foxy bro
I never noticed the little reference to "screws, bolts & hairpins." That connection was really neat.
"Things were auctioned off" might mean that a bunch of the log books were salvaged from the Fazbearfrights sight and you (literally you) bought one in the auction and the sticky notes are the seller being a smuch and sending you a used one instead of refunding you for running out of unused ones?
>a bunch of the log books
There's also the idea of:
What if there werent that many to begin with? Mike getting one of the "first edition" copies, before they're mass-produced
Glad I'm not the only one realizing this for the first time
@@higueraft571 This is possible. Where the idea comes from is what if Fazbear Frights had a gift shop, where they sold the Fazbear Frights book series. Think about it; Mike is hired to work this new attraction; he's bored and could have easily snagged a copy on Night 1. Sadly, we never see the full extent of the building; we see the attraction itself, but we don't know how the outside of it is set up. We can assume there should be parking and some way to obtain admission; Mike is too deep inside to sell tickets and phone dude mentions that you are "part of the attraction" visitors will walk by at some point during their walkthrough.
@@thisisasupersayin376 I forgot who it was that first said it, but I heard of the idea that the Fazbear Frights books were given that name already associated with FNAF3 because they are literally goosebumps-style books being sold in the gift shop of the attraction. This then got me thinking; the incosistances with the logbook; how it visually references Fazbear Frights, but seems to be filled out by Mike, but also sees like a children's activity book... Made me think that it could be real merch in-universe. Think of how, across all the games, heavy merchandising of the brand is referenced; there are toys, multiple cartoon series; there's often merch on the desks of the security guards. Phone Guy also makes a big deal about the security guard being a key part of the "immersion". So making a children's activity book themed around the security guard plays right into phone guy trying to create a business out of all of this.
@@porcelainchips6061 "we never see the full extent of the building;"
i'v actually been to a thew places (theme park's and the like) where a ride/attraction end's with a gift shop, actually got a frog bean bag thing when i was at one, i was 5 i think, i still have it actually.
i think they could’ve implied with that comment that “freddy fazbears pizza” was not as a business closed down completely until the last location, because they had just moved restaurants under (basically) the same name because of bad things happening until frights. this was a really good video the coupon code makes so much sense!
When I saw the thumbnail, I thought about candy cadets story in Help Wanted 2. About the pizza deal the family didn’t take. Complete shot in the dark, but maybe it was pointing out how the community missed that clue entirely?
oh yea your right! people shoved that off as filler and unimportant but it actually goes with this!
That sounds like a thing Scott would do
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This could actually work. I didn't like how multiple peoples just called the first story filler. All of candy cadets other stories have had a meaning in the lore so it would be really weird for this one to have none. Other than this if Candy Cadets story had no meaning, why would the put it in the game?
oh yeah, it certainly would be
they missed the most important opportunity of their lives, a limited time offer, it was only $49.99, they didn't purchase the food and they all died...
now, fnaf theorists, missed one of the most important clues about the timeline, a true value deal, it saved a whole $16, I mean, $27.14 (which btw, would bring the family's deal's price down to like 22.85, when mixing buying power and price), they didn't believe the clues, and they all went off-track in their timeline dates...
parallels much? ;P
I'm nearly two weeks late, but wow, hearing the evidence (though mainly "real value" being a term in economics) compiled into one video like this finally made me realize this code was an actual thing. You did a really great job with this!
I recently got the book myself and I feel like it gave me more questions than answers. Something I’ve been trying to wrap my head around, that probably doesn’t really have much impact on the main fnaf lore, but in the book there is a page that asks “who are you looking forward to see after your shift” which Michael responds with some drawn hearts. That makes me think he has a life outside of work, does he have friends? a family of his own? Ether way, it mustn’t be anyone relying on him too much, because later in the survival book,he seems like he wants to die. Again, I don’t think these things have much impact on the lore, but it is funny that this book gives Michael more personality than all of the games together.
Perhaps it's in reference to the soap operas he seems to be obsessed with?
He appears to use them as a crutch for himself after his other shifts in SL, but in what way? I'm can't tell.
Or he could just be thinking about his siblings? Maybe he simply longed for company at that point in his life? Just throwing it out there.
I've personally always thought that FNAF 3 was in 2015. In addition to the 30 years thing referring to the original location explanation, it would make a lot of sense for it to be 2015 because of the premise of Fazbear's Fright paralleling the actual game. FNAF exploded in popularity in 2014, and the premise of Fazbear's Fright (that being that the rumors and spooky stories about Freddy's were really popular, and so some people made a haunted house attraction about it) is in reference to that. It always made sense to me that that should happen at the same time in-universe as FNAF became popular in real life.
Also, FNaF 3 was released in 2015
It doesn't make sense for it to take place in 2023, if the game taking place 8 years in the future isn't even utilized in the game as a story element.
( found it, Name: The scoop. Scoop is second story in FF's 12: Felix the shark book)
Could anyone remind me about story in Fazbear frights? (or other official media) Where's FNAF 3 is an actual game inside the verse, I think there's was a girl playing it and something bad happened after.
Yeah he didn’t watch the 8 hour long lore video where the guy proves it’s 2015
Honestly, I agree with your take that Fnaf 3 takes place in 2017, since it both makes sense that it would be 30 years after the only definitive year Scott had given us at the time, and it also makes sense because it's 30 years after Fnaf 2, the most recent game release before Fnaf 3
But fnaf 2 is before fnaf 1?
@@FragDaMagIt does in terms of in game timelines, but I was referring to the release order of the gave, Fnaf 2 being the game release before Fnaf 3, and being the “most recent Freddy’s” in that way
I do want all professional training manuals to have fun puzzles included, it would make training substantially less boring
Writting a note for the future reference to "the coupon"
-3 Large pizzas with additional topings
-3 pitchers of soda
-24 cupcakes
27 dollars
Fnaf Help Wanted 2
-Family style pizza, with "all their favorite topings"
-Side of fries
-Mozzarella sticks
-Extra large soft DRINKS (plural)
-Toy surprise
-49.99$ while it lasted
I’m unsure If you yourself checked the online inflation calculator. But If you input 27 dollars into 1992, and we assume these two meals are of about equal value, the closest dates would be 2020-2021.
At 49.81$ and 52.15$ respectively.
@@mslightbulb ? howd you get that? When I used a calculator I got that $16 in 1992 was equiv to $27 (27.03) in 2015...
@@Kelso_Belso I simply gave it numbers that weren't 16$ as I said. I inputed 27$ in 1992 not 16$. We did the same equation with different starting numbers, so Of course it is gonna be different. There weren't 16 dollars in the original comment. If you input 27 in 1992 it should give you a similar number to mine in the years 2020 and 2021. I did not test 2015.
@@Kelso_Belso My question is, where did you get the 16 dollars and the year 2015 from? As I said, neither I nor the original commenter mention them. They might have appeared in the video, but that wasn't the equation I was doing. (Well, automated equation, the actual math was done by the website).
February 23 would be on a Friday in 2018, or a Saturday in 2019. If Henry recorded it on the final day/night (or the day before), both dates would work. That gives time between FNAF3 and the simulator, and adds a buffer between it and the opening of the pizzaplex.
Just got recommended this video! Super interesting and well supported theory.
The part about the animotrinics being worked on in the 70s is especially interesting with Help Wanted 2 telling us there was a Fall Fest in the 70s.
Hopefully the rest of the community will see this!
About 22:00
Correct me if I have missed something.
I don’t think it’s too far fetched to say that the Freddy’s animatronics were being built in 1979.
It’s important to remember that although Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza did not open until 1983, there was another restaurant that certainly could have made (and probably did make) use of animatronics: Fredbear’s Family Diner, which is, to my knowledge, where the crying child’s birthday party is held. The bite (and Charlie’s death possibly) then leads to the closure of that location around the same time Freddy’s opens.
Phone guy is always talking about moving animatronics to new locations and having the animatronics kicking before 1980 makes phone guy’s line “20 years without a bath” make a lot more sense.
That and the fact that the big four have plushies and their own TV show by 1983, not hard to believe their popularity came from animatronics at the Family Diner location.
Also we're only technically told that Fazbear Entertainment was formed in 1983, not necessarily the Freddy's characters or restaurant. It could have been some corporate reorganization because of the company growing to have things like a TV show.
Can you please explain the "20 years without a bath" part? Not the line itself. Just, 20 years after WHAT? And more importantly WHEN?
@@user-nm1lx8qb3u in FNAF 1, phone guy is just explaining the animatronics to the player (FNAF 1 is thought to take place in 1993) and says something along the lines of:
The animatronics do get a bit quirky at night but I’d be a little restless too if I had to go 20 years without a bath.
This implies that the animatronics have been operating since 1973 give or take a few years.
Although this quote is still confusing considering the animatronics in FNAF 1 are the refurbished versions of the withered animatronics in FNAF 2 (which takes place before FNAF 1).
@@ozzy2here210 So we can just throw that line away?
@@user-nm1lx8qb3u I have no idea
Not sure I'm convinced about FNAF 3 being in 2017, but all the evidence you gave for Mike filling out the logbook during FNAF 3 rather than FNAF 1...I feel like you opened my third eye. Subscribed.
I used an inflation calculator and 2017 is correct assuming he used 1993 as the date for the coupon. However the date should be 1992 which will get 2015
I first heard about the new dates in GiBi’s infamous 9 hour video, I’m glad these ideas are finally gaining traction! Worth noting that these dates are way closer to the games’ release dates too. Thanks for linking it with the mimic also, great stuff
You can even argue that the book is sold to US, the public as part of the auction after the attraction was closed
Some could think Henry 223 could just be his 223rd audio log
Just so happened to have ended in 23
it is possible that the year 2023 is correct if you look at the numbers as meaning 2/23 instead of 223=2023
I can't remember details. But in someone else's theory where they talk about Vanessa being 2 people. They managed to bring down the date by questioning when fanf 1 closes. Worth checking out as it might support your theory perfectly
ID's Fantasy?
29:31 I’m not sure if they’re dated in game but as you can see in TUG the AR Emails are from 2019 which is more proof that FNAF 3 & 6 take place earlier than we think. Also in TUG it never says when FNAF 3 takes place which most people assumed was a mistake. But it would make sense for Scott to not want to confirm the year if we’ve haven’t gotten the right year yet.
true but because of SB delayed release the times bcame unreliable. The calender in SB can place it in the year 2029, using GGY we can estimat the pizzaplex opened in 2024 at earliest. But thinking back to fnaf VR if the "coming soon" sign was implied to players as well as meta in the universe then it being advertised in winter 2019 and finished in 2024 is not soon. With the current release of security breach I estimated its probably october 2027 (for the emails regarding vanessa swittchibg at least) because Vanessa switches to pizzaplex in november of the emails and GGY tells us that something odd was going on in about 2027 3 years after pizzaplex opened. If you ignore security breaches calender and assume the game came out on its original release date sometime in late 2020/ early 2021 and assume the game takes place in the present then the email dates work.
I have a feeling I'm going to be rewatching this video. Thank you for taking the time to do more research into the log book!
This feels like a lot of stuff that GiBi said in his 9 hour long lore video about the lore. When he went into a big section on the log book. But I'm glad more people are paying attention to this.
Edit: I continued watching and actually all the SB stuff is new
i remember 2017 being the popular date of fnaf 3 around release, never really knew it changed.
??? how did people get 2017??? did they do 30 + 1987?
@@Kelso_Belso Obviusly lol
I have a survival log book and in the like rules think like
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And in rule 4 it said “don’t poop on the floor” I crossed out the dont so now it’s “poop on the floor” 💀
The tally marks- if you count words in the headers of the pages they are on- also spell out "To you from working architect".
I don't know what all that could imply... Who is the working architect, and what is he working on? And who were they seeking out?
Maybe the logbook was meant for the eyes of the mysterious person Henry did expect to take the job at FFPS. That seems like an intentional story beat left opened. Maybe Henry is the 'working architect'. Maybe Edwin. Maybe just a concerned worker that found the saferoom/ built frights.
Maybe someone working on resurrecting the franchise and building a new sparkly Pizzaplex over the ashes of FFPS.
Edwin is 24 in The mimic. It's clear. He most likely attended a 2 year college which was popular at the time and he would've graduated at 22. "For all 24 years of Edwin's life" is not in the flashback. It's exposition to describe how old he is. It's a popular literary device. SB can happen whenever. It's independent of when the restaurants shutdown. Freddy's never loses popularity.
That's not true, he's 24 when his son is born and his wife is alive, which is 5 years before the mimic, which itself happens at the latest in 1980
@@tomkubus He's 24 in the story. I'll elaborate. He earned enough money in school to start his business right out of it where he married his wife at/around the same time. Fiona was pregnant when they moved into the mansion years prior to this story. David was 2.5 years of age when he sold his company to Fazbear. The timeline is tight nit... There's no gap period. Furthermore: The passage that follows his mention of age details childhood to now, not just up to his child's birth. That part happens before and finishes.
@@BelleVEX He was talking about himself being 24 in the past tense, and both the storyteller and the Mimic tell us that Edwin was 24 when his wife was still alive, yet she dies 4-5 years before the mimic
@@tomkubus You’re right. My mistake. I’m wrong here. He’s 28 in the story. That said, however, the year doesn’t change, right? Business started and factory bought in the early 70s and 4-5 years later the year is 79 (maybe push 80s) the latest.
@@BelleVEX ye
You make really good points and this is a great video overall! I’m much more open to the timeline you’ve proposed than I thought I would be 👍
One thing I have an issue with might actually just be an issue on Scott’s part:
If “HRY223” doesn’t mean 2023, considering Scott would be aware of the fanbase’s generally accepted timeline AND especially in a game that’s meant to give answers, it’s such an irresponsible detail to leave unexplained.
Like the game comes directly after fnaf3 has “223” and people largely accepted 2023 to be the date of Fazbear’s Fright - I can’t accept that that’s a coincidence until it’s proven wrong by Scott himself/ a future game . If it is nothing Scott needs to personally apologise to me.
I'd argue that the real value thing is intentional, but the main issue with it is that due to the book itself releasing in 2017 it might just be a neat way to show how expensive it was to get a happiest day in 1993. Not everything has a deep meaning, and I honestly don't think Scott really had any dates in mind when making the games (because my game theory is that 1993 is just meant to be a reference to Mr Mathew pathew himself)
The Happiest Day coupon was actually a separate coupon. Maybe I should have pointed that out. The one with "real value" on it is for a Pizza Party Pack.
The Happiest Day coupon is $8 and the Pizza Pack (real value one) is $16, completely different
i thought the book released 2018?
im surprised this has so little views
this is like a super well constructed video and a super convincing theory amazing work
This is what I've been wondering: In Sister Location, we're underground. How can we truly say it takes place at night? What if Sister Location Is happening simultaneously with some of the other games, it just takes place during the day. That's why he can go home and immediately watch a freaking soap opera after work. I think some of these games (FNAF 1-Sister Location) happen at the same time. Technically you could fit 3 shifts in a day with 6 hours left for sleep, if Michael even needs it anymore. I think that would truly go a long way to fixing the timeline woes.
i think what most people mean by meta canon is that there is a book and a game canon and u can use some book canon for comparing to the game canon and the other way around
This pretty much sums up my feelings as well. Phenomenal video. I wish there was a better explanation for HRY223 because until that has an alternative meaning I don't think the FNAF 3=2023 crowd will be too convinced.
Doesn't that just mean that FNAF 6 happens in 2023? Why're folks taking it to be FNAF 3's setting?
dude 223 being the year makes no fucking sense, clearly the naming scheme is HRY so following that logic, every file created that year would have the same name, HRY223, which is obviously impossible
Couldn’t it be the 223rd recording?
@@techmark3665 I think he knows, didn't realize at first but I've watched this guy's 9 hour fnaf lore vid like 4 times
@@techmark3665 HRY has missing letters, so the numbers would too.
I'm glad someone finally questioned "HRY223" meaning Pizza Sim takes place in 2023! That's never made sense to me, no one has ever written the year like that but everyone just immediately accepted it. This is a great theory and both the real value revelation and Party Room 4 are super interesting!
This was such a good thought-provoking watch. I didn't look at the stuff like this before, so your insight (with occassional little side humor) was really nice!
20:32 In the game there are posters that say 2035. Meaning the gameplay of the game would have to be at most within a year from the date. (The poster either being for the year of the game or next year). The pizzaplex is also considered newly built, which would make sense if it was built in 2029/2030 and definitely not 2015-2023.
I've been with this theory for a while, the ultimate hide tells us that Fnaf 3 is "30 years after the horrific events which cause Freddy's to close" but honeslty you gave proif i havent found before and this is a great theory
yea, so does the steam desc. (not in ecat words but it mentions a tragedy)
damn, this is some top notch theorizing. i guess with matpat leaving, someone is bringing their A game to take a shot into the inner circle.
As someone still studying the lore of this series, I love seeing silent banger videos like these which can re-contextualize the entire timeline in a way that still makes sense, if not MORE so than the standard community theories would think.
I never really bought into the whole Foxy Grid theory, it seemed like way too much of a stretch without any good evidence. This, on the other hand, seems rock solid. Supported by actual evidence in the book, and not extrapolated assumptions, and fits nicely with how the first date estimations were discovered. Matpat and his early calculations based on checks were a pretty big thing back then, and we KNOW for sure that Scott watched these theories, liked them, and most likely crafted parts of his story to better explain what the fans had missed. Him using the same trick makes a lot of sense
Something worth noting is that those coupons are made to celebrate the REOPENING, so it would be very unlikely for it to be in the same year as the final closing of the FNAF 1 location if it really did just "fizzle out due to lacking business"
I almost missed it, how the first candy cadet story in hw2 is literally about how everyone missed the True Value Clue, look, here, parallels much?
they missed the most important opportunity of their lives, a limited time offer, it was only $49.99, they didn't purchase the food and they all died...
now, fnaf theorists, missed one of the most important clues about the timeline, a true value deal, it saved a whole $16, I mean, $27.14 (which btw, would bring the family's deal's price down to like 22.85, when mixing buying power and price, or like 33.99 with pure price), they didn't believe the clues, and they all went off-track in their timeline dates, famished for anything that would support their headcanon...
I mean, is it right on the nose or what? ;P
I really enjoyed your theory video! The idea of the Logbook being an item sold at Fazbear’s Fright was something I never thought of and makes for such a good idea, especially when it helps determine FNaF 3’s year and Michael’s involvement in it. I also really like how you delved into the placement of The Storyteller and the Mimic using the information established earlier in the video.
Last note, I think it’s possible for FNaF 3 to be in 2015, and have Pizzeria Simulator take place in 2017. It would still allow time between those games and the SB era for things to make sense timeline-wise.
I want to say that I love this video, your content is top notch and your way to link all the clues in order to support your theory is brilliant to say the least.
However I find a small issue regarding what you said about there being no explanation from the meta book theory for the Real Value Hint.
As you said in the video, the book was published in 2017, coincidentally the same year you got when investigating the inflation rates using 1993 as the year that the coupon is from.
Therefore there’s a chance that the logbook isn’t trying to show the real date of the FNAF 3 events, but instead tell the real value of the coupon by the time the logbook was published as way to inform us, the readers.
Despite this I really liked your theory and I can assure you that you just won a new subscriber.
I’m looking forward to your next theories!
I still don't believe "cassidy" is the correct solution to that puzzle. The method Dawko used to decipher that name is questionable. No, I don't have an alternative solution. And also, Scott's puzzles aren't THAT cryptic as to require calculations adjusting for inflation rates. It's not a rabbit hole, just a simple jigsaw puzzle that Scott has omitted all the critical pieces from, leaving everyone guessing what the dang picture is.
Fnaf 1 is after Williams “death” if you look at the robots in the mini games they have buttons like the withereds but the ogs don’t have those buttons so they can’t be the same robots, that means the og four are destroyed by William and are then repaired before fnaf 1.
Also the 30 years definitely doesn’t refer to fnaf 1 because the only “events that took place” are robots moving and one guy dying which I assume was covered up, so it’s way more likely the events are either the bite of 87 or the missing kids.
Think about it from a writing perspective
2015 is way closer to when 3 was written, and allows us to have a parallel between both the timeline and real life
And Scott loves his Parallels.
Plus, it'd be really weird to choose 2023 of all times because that doesn't really make sense, it'd be super arbitrary
One thing I hate about the FNAF theorist community is the "I don't like it so it doesn't count" attitude, either to get out of explaining bad theories or, more often than not, to just ignore evidence that tells a story they dislike.
Way back when MatPat explained what went into his theory videos, he mentioned that he likes to make them "narratively satisfying". Ever since, fans have been using "that wouldn't be narratively satisfying" as a justification for ignoring evidence, as if Mat told them they only need to concern themselves with clues they like. (Also, it's picking and choosing. if they always just did whatever MatPat said, they'd be reading the books and wouldn't moan at the idea of robot kids.)
It’s been implied that Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, and Foxy existed as characters for a traveling circus before they were animatronics. It’s likely that Fredbear was with them, but it’s likely that when they became animatronics, that Fredbear and Freddy were split into two separate characters, explaining why Fredbear was referred to as both Fredbear and Freddy in the poster for Fredbear’s Singin’ Show
The Singin' Show poster is designed completely different from the Fredbear's Family Diner style (Which the 70sFreddy cutout confirms is from the 70s) or the Fredbear/Freddy & Friends style, confirmed by FNaF4 to be 1980s.
The rubberhose design and black-and-white print likely mean that Fredbear was created FAR earlier than the 60s-70s FallFests, at the very latest in the 1930s. This means Scott is keeping the classic concept of Fredbear being a precursor to Freddy, but moving both back: Now Fredbear was made in the '30s and Freddy was made in the '60, rather than the previous '70s and '83 dates respectively.
@@memememe609 I suppose that makes sense
This is an amazing theory and video. Great job keep up the good work
WOW!!! You’ve just earned a subscriber, my friend! Incredible work!!
I always found such a big time jump to be weird when the point of this series was to have the technology not feel real to the time frame so Scott wanting to make FNAF 3 be set in the year the game came out would make sense.
As far as Mike being the fnaf 3 guard, while I agree with everything you are saying, I feel the need to add a random idea. By the time of the attraction a lot of information about Freddy’s will have been discovered possibly even Mikes involvement, the log book may have been put together and released exactly as we receive the book.
Also as you mentioned the time line of the games I have to point out the mention in the beginning of “help wanted” that the games where made up stories, making everything we learn in the original games questionable at best. Therefore making gaining dates from the paycheque pointless (also explaining Chica’s beak as a glitch, a random point but one that always annoyed me). It’s like a modern version of dream theory.
While this makes sense, the degree of accuracy to the 'real world' information received in SB/Ruin infer that a lot of the game details are shockingly accurate-- meaning even if the games aren't exact retellings, someone was giving info to in-universe Scott Cawthorn. Tape Girl says it's someone from inside Fazbear Inc, but we're not given a full explanation as to the actual scheme behind this-- it may have started out as an indie, low flying expose on the truth of the Freddy's locations from within the company (possibly Cassie's dad as the leaker), before a higher up caught wind. Or the truth may be even worse than what we're given. Either way, the games are still somewhat reliable, as corroborated details in SB/Ruin mean Cawthorn was given real info.
This is really good! Great job on this theory!
this video is fire. i really enjoyed how you didn’t speak down to the audience despite having to totally reexplain the lore from ur perspective. i LOVE your thoughts on the timeline and AGREE. things haven’t been lining up and ppl cherry pick too much. so glad u brought out the Handbook for this
Something interesting you've said that makes me think back. Scott at one point or in the FNAF WORLD screen it's said that there were two n springtraps but nobody ever has said anything else about that and there is a whole character there and everything!
"two n springtraps"?
Great video. You definitely gave me food for thought.
Whenever something in the Lore mentions the closing of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza it's always the MCI one cause like out of the three pizzarias, the one that was open for years and super successful, the one that was open for a week and then had to shut, and the one that was barely open for a year, which one is going to be the one that people remember the most. Plus the first one had the MCI so yeah gonna be the most important
DAMN STRAIGHT been arguing to a wall for year just cuz I was missing the logbook (missed the window in 2017-2018 to get a copy locally).
9:25 that second "im going to come find you" sounds a bit like the mimic's voice, in the sense it sounds distorted, the first part sounds normal, but that part just sounds off, wait, what if the mimic found micheal, and pursued him, and it was the MIMIC who made mike burn fazbear frights out of fear, what if the mimic... WAS ALWAYS PLANNED... OH MY FUCK1NG GOSH.
over all really good theory in my opinion, at gut reaction would be a retort to your claim that the guys working at Frights was the one who created the log book (unless I miss heard), for really one simple reason.
On page 35 has a would you rather QnA in which the title of the page states, "If you had to survive in a small crawl space under a desk for a week while surrounded by baby-themed animatronics, would you rather..." ,and on question 4 it reads "Listen to a creepy voice? ... or ... Listen to the silence?" ,which seems to directly connect to night 2 of Sister Location, and unless I am stupid (most likely am) there should be absolutely no way the Frights workers should have any close to an idea that this would happen.
Overall weaker evidence, but still in the same vain, on page 94 a different would you rather has the answers "Spend all night in a spring lock suit?" ,and "Perform maintenance on Funtime Freddy?" which also directly reference nights in Sister Location, but you can dismiss that being that the book already brings up the spring locks, and the Funtime Freddy would you rather also has the option of "Try to fix Mangle?" which would put the question in a theming." (all of them are kinda themed but nonetheless it is a possible retort)
You are probably wondering who I think made the log book, and honestly I have no idea, if I had to spitball I would say that its Fazbear again just tryna cover up bad PR like they seem to try to do every once in a while, or its just a genuine security log book that they made for whatever reason; I mean Fazbear is tone deaf enough to put kids activities in the log book, and I think somewhere in the book it does state that the activities are supposed to be some kinda de-stresser so I donno.
Couple other things, I do think the fact Michael does start writing in the log book in 2017; I honestly see no way you could argue against it.
Also about FNaF 1, I do think there is a world where it closes before we the player work at that location; whether its shortly before we work there or maybe even before the 90s. Sometimes I think we forget just because we are at a location doesn't mean its "open" ,I mean the place is fully run down and the newspaper clipping already talks about a restaurant closing at the end of the year and whatnot. This would also put more credibility to the idea of FNaF 3 not being in 2023 if the FNaF 1 location had already closed at least a year prior.
I am I completely wrong about everything I just typed? Probably! but either way it was a very good, and tight theory.
The would you rather question? Could it just be a jab at Michael's expense? By whom ever created the log book?
I mean it could be, why would whom ever created the log jab at specifically Michael experiences in Sister Location is a different question entirely though.
@@Swing_Bonnie I don't know, probably just to be a Dick.
It's definitely possible that the pizzeria is closed in FNAF 1, especially given the amount of stories we've gotten about a night guard working at/around a closed Freddy's (The Silver Eyes, the movie, even the "scrapped" Fazbear Frights story You're the Band in which "Mike" works as a security guard at a closed Freddy's around present day).
We know that the Night 2 cubby was made by a previous employee (presumably another maintenance worker), who survived. It is likely he never returned, and spread word about the things there, which the Frights crew picked up on.
Same with Funtime Freddy. The two technicians mention how the Funtime bots break every day. The poor work conditions are mocked by HandUnit. It is likely that Funtime Freddy's insane personality was well-known (since even Fazbear Ent. knew about it for its virtual experiences), and I do not think that the Frights crew was thinking about the E&R suit when talking about being inside a springlock suit, they were more likely thinking about Fredbear or SpringBonnie.
Edit: HandUnit mentions that the reason why Michael was chosen to fix Funtime Freddy was because another group of genuinely technicians was tasked with that job, but all were in the ER for "six-to-eight weeks for recovery and physical therapy", as in they lived. These are obviously not the two hanged technicians. These were likely the ones who spread rumours on Funtime Freddy being extremely risky to work with.
I think that there's something we missed in fnaf 4 about FredBear's Family Dinner. We all assumed that FredBear Family Dinner opened in 1983 because of the show, the Bite of '83 and the coin from HW, but it wouldn't make sense for William and Henry to open two completely different restaurant the same year. I think that FredBear Family Dinner opened before 1983, which would explain why Edwin build the animatronics in 1979.
17:45 ooooo that seems like something that would fly then but needs to be reevaluated. Good stuff!
some of this kind of went over my head or just seems way to close together but if i've learnt anything it's in future games a calendar is a god send.
This is well reasoned and well put together. I love this and hope you end up being right.
Solid points in this video. Good stuff!
If people will continue to ignore parts of the FNAF media, we never get THE LORE Cracked and complete.
And Scott will continue to troll us...
My personal headcanon is that all of the modern fnaf games (anything after pizza sim) takes place in the year it was released. The Sci-fi elements are unfortunate, but are quirks of the world such as possessed robots.
Fnaf AR in 2020 could be accidentally perfect, the need to send animatronics to your home could be a perfect retcon during a pandemic they weren't in reality factoring in, lol
You absolutely NAILED IT with the whole thing being for Fazbear Frights and FNAF 3
OMG!! That makes so much sense that the book is a KIDS TOY! Mind Blown
I have to correc thus. Hudson did not just work for one night. He only worked one night with SPringtrap present but he was employeed prior
I really thought it was odd at the time that nobody considered Scott thought it'd be cool and spooky to set the game in the same year it was released on 2015.
Why do all the good theories gotta be obscure?
Although the 97 in Vanessa's username probably means her birth year, that's not a guarantee. It could be her favorite number (I had 97 in my username for multiple years and that was just cuz it was randomly chosen when the username I wanted was taken.)
Also, gotta point out, in case you don't know, nowhere does it say actually that the Mimic saw the MCI. The Ooftroop has a great video on the difference between Burntrap and The Mimic as well as one on MXES and the Entity.
Imo, the audio of the SL cutscene could plausibly have been kind of a flashback, either on Mike's part or Will's (less plausible, imo, unless there were some way for him to get his hands on whatever tape/note this could have been expressed on -- I think that this was just Michael's shower ramblings as to what he would say to William if he could say it). Specifically when Mike is leaving the burnt rubble of FazFrights, thinking about where his mission has led him, and what he is supposed to do next (which I reckon would be a big question in his mind, as he knows everything goes deep, but not how deep it goes). The disconnected visuals juxtapose this with what for the majority of the cutscene we'll see as a completed part of his mission, only, at the end, for it to show us that quite the opposite is true; and he's only set the future in motion.
edit: Damn, that's almost exactly what the youtuber said I'm dyin 💀💀 Thought I did something there
(correct me if I'm wrong)
This video blew my mind, all this talk about Edwin building the characters in 1979 really made me remember that in the movies timeline, Freddy's (FNAF 1, which in the movie is probably the first and only location) opened in 1979, this can't be knowledge something is trying to be said
Whats funny is that i noticed the same things in the book a few weeks ago and told to one of my friend. About fnaf 5 animatronics and the fnaf 3 office showing up in the book.
Funny how after all this time there's still so much we don't know definitively about fnaf lore
Hey just a thought but when u mentioned hudson dying in an oven and compared it to fazbears frights burning down it reminded me of the candy cadet story in help wanted 2
I feel like Mike would just keep the book through his journey since he wrote and probably keep it as a journal or something to write down ever thing that’s has happened
this really just lends credence to your theory but the pizzeria wasnt the first iteration of freddy's, fredbear's existed before then and there was that teaser with "fazbear entertainment" with the purple hat, so the company probably existed first rather than forming after freddy's got off the ground, perhaps born of the henry/william partnership but idk. many people assume the glitchtrap image was a real suit once before the animatronics came to be and if true they would have been the entertainment attractions at the diner. the fredbear & friends cartoon also is dated to 1983, theres no feasible way for the franchise to start in 83 and immediately have the animatronics and a reasonably assumed popular cartoon, that would have all been hand drawn animation and that takes So much time.
the animatronics also wouldnt have been made in 1983, youre underestimating how long it would take to build 4 full animatronics (6 if you count the springlock suits) all with rudimentary ai, and they were likely henry's first animatronics, so he would still have been learning and going through countless trial and error, saving up to be able to afford to make those giant suits would take years, they were likely pretty damn expensive, especially if you count how many mistakes he would have made
Something of note in the minigames is that they specifically show off Withered Chica prior to the damages done to her arms, which suggets William might have died prior to that game, and with the phone calls in it which happened to speak about summer jobs, yet the check being in November sugest that they were pre-recorded, and with the suit moving it auggests the exact time William died or was caught in the act during that year. It also means that the withers, whom were used for parts, could have been used for the funtimes, allowing for william to die and et trapped there around the same time as Mike's death and Jeremy's accident.
This Fnaf theory video blew my mind, I think this theory video changes everything we thought and new about Fanf 3. And also the pizza plex Saga as well. 🤯🤔😊❤❤❤❤❤
I think the sticky note on the very first page was the best evidence you’ve shown, because a little before you showed that first page you showed that all the things were sold to people
Great video! I haven't seen anyone make a video like this in a while, and specially using the Logbook. Most people just don't use the Logbook and say that FNAF 3 happens in 2015/2017 because of the... Ultimate Guide. And that is like their only proof, which is really lame. But you have made me doubt about everything i knew before!
I still think FNAF 3 happens in 2023, mainly because FNAF 6 does. I know why you say that the "223" should mean a date, such as February 23rd. But that is, not only a stretch, but also an inconsistency. In the alleyway images, we clearly see Fall Fest posters annoucing... well the Fall Fest, in October. And it makes sense with BV's and Charlie's death occurring in October, making a whole 40 years gap between their deaths, and their Happiest Day. It just makes narrative sense for it to mean that. Even the easter egg in SB confirm that Happiest Day took place 40 years after the bite.
However, if there is more evidence in the future (And i think there will likely be), i could believe this. Again, GREAT video. I haven't seen someone overthinking the Logbook since 2017, and it's just amazing how can all this things just come out from two words.
223 would be kinda dumb for writing a year
Fantastic work! I never thought 2023 made sense, or that there was any good evidence for it. No one would write 223 if they meant 2023, and why would he only name the audio file after the year?
It seems like waaaay too much work to add a sticky note to every single logbook saying to ignore the springlock section. If the location never opened, i think its more likely the log book is a first draft or proof of concept
You know what, this makes a lot of sense. And while I prefer the idea of Mike using the Log Book during FNAF 1, it makes a lot of sense for it to be during/after Fnaf 3 at the latest. The Log Book being used during FNAF 1 just doesn't work especially when you consider how chaotic the nights get after Night 2. There's zero room for Michael to slack off
WOW this Video just delivering "more proof" for 30 mins straight, and it's intriguing and makes so much sense 👍
Just the part of 12:21 _"multiplication cuz it makes sense"_ is a bit unsatisfying, but then I realized that they designed it as a puzzle hinting at Inflation-calculation which gives you a small margin for the conclusion to land and just 4 operators to try, which is a pretty fair puzzle 😳
Dabbing Chica was the key all along
edit: DUDE I WAS KIDDING
I love the recent resurgence of log book lore - but being reminded of these vouchers makes me think of the candy cadet story in help wanted 2, maybe it could date the story??
About the whole selfie and macbook thing, fetch can link to a smart phone and the funtimes came out in the 80s, i think tech just advanced way faster in the fnaf universe:
William Afton is the Bill Gates of the fazverse
Honestly, theories like this just high lights what other people tend to ignore bc they don’t wanna hear it. I feel like even Matpat ignores details like this one even though this theory alone pretty much fixes tons of issues with FNAF’s timeline.
One thing to point out is while the fnaf 1 gameplay may well have happened in 1993 remember that it’s quite obvious the place has been closed for sometime and the place may well have closed in 87 or when ever, look no further then the movie they are still hiring night guards dispite being closed for years.
Actual evidence that makes factual sense instead of leaps in logic with no backing other than vague context clues that are as ambiguous as the creator? Count me in. Subscribed.
Well the gang could have been made in the 1970s for whatever Fazbear's Entertainment was at the time and the restaurant idea came later on.
Honestly I think this is really well argued and I totally believe this now
I always thought that mike wrote in the logbook AFTER Fnaf 1, to help OTHER night guards.
Nice I'm happy my CZcams tossed this my way! I really like the 2015 logic cause 2017 is a bit to close for publication and where it puts security breach etc at basically current day makes far more sense then in the future. It always bothered me putting all the new games so far in the future for a franchise with so much history in the past... as far back as 1970 now in fact which was mind blowing but very exciting. I'm a big fan of matpat's circus bear origins idea especially as we find out more about Fall Fest!
Scott Cawthon said Matpat was correct for his fnaf 1-3 theories (ignoring the purple guy is phone guy theory) which does put fnaf 1 in 1993