I bought the Tobii Eye Tracker! | Real 737 Pilot Review
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
- In this video I look at the Tobii Eye Tracker 5 on a short test flight in the PMDG 737.
You can find our more about the Tobii Eye Tracker here! - gaming.tobii.com/product/eye-...
Tobii Eye Tracker | Introduction 0:00
Tobii Eye Tracker | Discussion and First look around the Cockpit 01:42
Take Off (Yoke Cam) 04:24
Flying Downwind 06:37
Hand Flown Visual Circuit with Tobii Eye Tracker 07:14
Conclusion 12:16
ANY GUIDANCE IN THIS VIDEO IS NOT TO BE USED FOR REAL WORLD FLIGHT TRAINING
I’m a 737 Captain for a European airline and like with all my tutorials and streams, all content on this channel is for Flight Simulation on your PC only. This video is NOT for professional guidance or instruction but to provide an insight to my thoughts on this product. Any comments/view expressed are mine only.
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I was waiting for this review! 🙏🏻💪🏻
Seems like a cool halfway house between VR and just a static monitor :) Looking forward to seeing you use this in streams!
Awesome ! Just ordered ! Great video ! Thanks Skipper 👍🙏🏻👨✈️✈️
Looks cool with TrackIR to be honest. As prestwicks my local airport I’ve got to admit a bit of a smile propped up as I heard you were there 😂.
My arrives next week, so excited!
Congrats on the tracker. Having used my Track-Ir3 for years now, flying in pancakemode is not the same without. But definetly still use views and disable ti when punching on the FMC etc. TiR does have less drift and is more presise so using it on buttons is easier from what i understand.
The only drawback to head tracking is that low FPS is a LOT more noticable, so for those with lesser systems (like me) if this looks nice, you really want to have at least 30fps, at anything lower you may enjoy disabling it like when in a very heavy zone with big airports nearby etc.
I love the flexibility of use. It's great for those dynamic phases where you want to look out the window and then you can temporarily turn it off for button punching etc.
Would love to see you fly the circuit in highlight mode so we can see how you do the instrument scan, transition the outside view to the runway etc
Had that suggested! Will have a think about that!
FD2S
It's exceptionally good if you are into DCS, for a serious simmer, it's a must have!
I've assigned one of the side buttons on my mouse to pausing the tracker (toggle) since its something you need to do when using the mouse. It becomes second nature to pause the tracker when my mouse pointer is in the vicinity of the desired click point
Good thinking, might try that one!
FD2S
have mine now for just over a month and its brilliant I can even unlock computer with face ID this thing tracks your eyes soooo well 🔥🔥🔥 took me only 2 minutes to calibrate it its already ready to go for flight sim no need to do anything I don't know why he said it took him 10 mins to configure it lol
I’m Sure you already fixed up all your settings but there is a Eye Vs Head tracking ratio in MSFS settings to minimize any of that weird head turning left but having to look right issue I’ve had as well
One step closer to a Varjo Aero 😉
Jokes set aside, great to see how you liked this product and found it useful 👍
Great video! I have a random question, do your ´´Airline ´´ allow the Bose QC 35 Uflymike headset modification?
This would be an incredible upgrade to the streams!
I agree! Looking forward to trying it on a challenging approach!
FD2S
I think you were Cpt on my last flight. NRT - HIJ on Japan Airlines, But then again it was a 767 (stunning) And I didn't know you were that fluent in Japanese
Nice feature for desk top sim's - can you use this product on a 757?
Looks like there's a 20% off voucher on Amazon UK at the moment. So tempting...
Hey there - have you tried this out with FSRealistic?
awesome thanks for the review! been considering this for a while, only issue I find is where you can put it, as I'm getting the FCU module as well and that would occupy the same space below my main monitor. can you put this above your main monitor or at least 6 inches below?
No, you can't put it above. It needs to go under the monitor. IDK about 6 inches below, though. It needs an unobstructed view of your face (obviously 🙂)
Nice and useful videi👍🏻 Question: I'm trying a Quest 2 VR headset, which I like very much and it makes me dream, but I'm still very unhappy for the graphic quality (despite of my gaming pc specs, surely more than high) with headache, nausea, etc; but the real plus is that if i look at my down right - thus moving my head - I still have in front of me on the headset what I should see (example: radio panel); with Toby what happens? How can I get it if I move my head say to the right and I necessarily have to watch the monitor?
Looks a very interesting nice-to-have, but I would like not to replace the headache with a stiff neck 😀
What are the benefits of this compared with FaceTrackNoIR (which cost me €3.45 a couple of years ago)? I'm sure the Tobii Eye Tracker offers more but, apart from maybe being somewhat smoother and tracking eye as well as head movement, I can't see exactly what - and I think eye tracking might get annoying when looking away from my monitor to use the switches and dials on my Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo, Stream Deck and X-Touch Mini. Is the Tobii Eye Tracker worth the extra £250+?
Looks very cool. Do you feel it adds more "immersion" noticeably more than prior to using it?
I don't think it's a necessary product to enjoy desktop simulators but certainly when you're trying to look outside it was a huge improvement!
FD2S
was ich mir halt einfach so sehr noch wünschte für den Simulator wehre ein umschalten der maus auf festsitzend heist wen du die camera bewegst bleibt der mauszeiger wo er wahr so könnte man viel einfach mit dem Tracking die knöpfe bedienen den bei jedem kopfzitern verschiebt es den mauszeiger was sehr anstrengend sein kan. also liebes ASOBO team - macht eine festsitzende mausbedinung die unabhängig des camera bewegt wird. :)
The Eyetracker 4 was a disaster and very limited DOF. This looks a lot more stable. Could it be time to replace the TrackIR?
I realize the focus of your video is Tobii but I am very surprised that you never seem to have given TrackIR a try. I've used it for some 15 years and together with joining SATCO in 2000 was the biggest revolution in my flight simming career. Track IR becomes very natural to use and it is absolutely no problem using it when setting up the airplane, eg looking at the overhead panel. Then during flight I usually switch it off or reduce the sensitivity with the press of a button. When I use eg racing games on my computer I always instinctively turn my head as I if I had TrackIR on me. The nuisance with Track IR is that you have to have reflectors on your head so the Track IR camera can pick up your movements but it is totally worth it!
Best of both worlds: Take the Tobii ET5 as input device to your IR tracking software. It works perfectly with FaceTrackNoIR, e.g. The Tobii works more precisely and more consistently, and is more comfortable than any other head tracking setup I've ever tried.
Pros: More supported games / sims., more flexible setup options, works in all views, easy to pause and unpause (tracking) for fiddling wirh knobs in the airplane.
Thanks for the input! I have of course heard of Track IR but I like the convenience of not having to wear things on your head and impressed by how the Tobii works.
FD2S
I also use Track IR and don't like flying without it but the advantage of not having to wear anything is a bonus. Regarding getting used to "moving your eyes" I found that, with Track IR, I got used to it very quickly and it isn't really "moving your eyes in the opposite direction you move your head". It's more "relaxing your eyes and leaving them where they are when you move your head" (I.e. leaving them on the screen).
One of the things I like doing in XPlane is playing a flight back but viewing it from a passenger seat near the engine. Then I look out the window, look back at the engine, look down at the ground as the plane comes in to land. I even stand up and look across all the other seats. It's quite immersive.
@@bruceyboy7349 For me it's not so much wearing something but the cable. But then again I have the TrackClip Pro attached to my Dave Clark headset that is also wired so it really doesn't matter that much... Some tout a VR headset as the ultimate solution and while I can imagine the immersion is insane, I can't imagine it is always the most practical solution.
@@kittealand Cable? The only wiring I have is from the PC to the "camera" unit on top of my monitor. I don't own the Pro version so I clip mine to a tennis visor cap (i.e. headband with visor peak). I don't use a baseball cap because I overheat at the best of times - wearing a hat while sat next to a PC running a flightsim is just too hot for me. I'm bald so my head looks like the top of an egg poking through the head band. 🤣
My daughter has a VR headset so I've used it. It's not bad but it's not high enough resolution (it needs to be 4k in each eye and this is 2k), it's Extremely cumbersome, heavy and awkward (and unbearably hot). The immersion is lost by all of the fiddling around trying to get controls to work. Despite all of the people saying VR is amazing, I used it a few times but Track IR is waaaaayyyy better. I have a touch screen setup for the flight panel together with a yoke, throttle quandrant, pedals and a physical knob which I can use for all of the individual knobs (touch screen to select, then physical knob to adjust). Oh and I also have an Android tablet which runs software for the CDU. It's not as good as a proper physical cockpit setup but it's a damn sight cheaper and works really well.
I think if I could get a headset without cables that did 4k in each eye it would look great for flight replay but I still don't think I would want to use it for actual flying. I await a suitable augmented reality solution. Until then Track IR or similar all the way!
May I ask why you use tobii 5 over vr?
You've more or less just sold this to me in 1 video 😂
Nice
PS3 eye £6 with 3 IR leds on a £1 baseball cap as good
Missed this intro
eye reveal🤯
BUTTER!
Eyeware Beam does this for free?
Pretty cool!
Which are PC specs?
I need help setting mine up .
Shame it is max 30" screen size, I lucked out and got a 42" ultrawide earlier this year for free, and this would be great tech if it worked together
Yikes, that's good to know prior.
FWIW I have been using it on a standard 34" ultrawide without issue. My settings in MSFS are about 90% dependent on head movement with minimal eye tracking and I've never noticed any issues. The main issue with wider monitors is inaccurate eye tracking on the far edges, but in my use case I've never noticed anything abnormal.
I use it on a 37” LG 21:9 ultrawide, again with mainly head movement tracking (you can run it without eye tracking turned on) and it’s great with this size of monitor. Now also with XPlane 12 profile support through the Tobii hub..
You going to give the new 737 ng series ago on xplane?
Is that the Level Up addon? If not I’m not sure what you’re referring too but I’d be interested in trying!
FD2S
Yes the level up addon
what I don't get about all eye trackers (not just this system) is, you're not in a 360 degree environment. how do you actually see what you're looking at when you're looking full left or right? You mention you have to twist your eyes but that seems rather uncomfortable and not very immersive. Are there ways around this or is just the nature of the beast at this juncture in technology right now?
I understand it's set that you move your head a bit but the view changes a lot.
He did say he finds a little bit disorientating.
That’s sick
What size Monitor are you using????
Curved Samsung 27" monitor (1920x1080)
FD2S
Any TrackIR is great for flying sims, driving sims like Euro Truck and American Truck Simulator.
Ive been using 5 for ages now - turn the eye tracking off and just use the head - its awesome and in my view better than track ir 5
Why is it better than Trackir5? Not a trick question, I'm trying to decide which one to buy? I know you're going to say the Track Clip Pro is delicate, but I'm not planning on breaking it lol.
@@MrBillUp no hat, no wires dangling, no usb issues, as good a tracking resolution as track IR, overall just simpler. both is an excellent idea - some games dont support it mate
Eyetracking is good. TrackIR is great.. but my man try VR . If your PC handles I promise you won't go back to flying using a display... :)
That really depends on how long your flights are? Are you happy having a headset obstructing all your senses for hours on end? Who answers the front door? The phone? The misses? Okay that last one has its advantages lol. Its okay if you have set aside an hour with no interruptions.
Now if you're talking iRacing etc, I 100% agree with you. Less buttons to press, less interaction needed, and races are usually shorter. I always use VR for iRacing. Mind blowing.
I've heard good things but when streaming I don't think that will offer the best view for those watching!
FD2S
Do you guys recommend the Tobii Eye Tracker 5 or the TrackIR solution?
Both do more of less the exact same thing. But while the TrackIR solution is a little cheaper, you always have to wear some form of head gear (reflector cap or IR-LED array), and the system is very sensitive toward the lighting situation, as sunlight reflections in the background will result in erroneous readings and will thus stop the tracking. The Tobii is very insensitive to the lighting environment, and you don't wear anything. This alone makes me appreciate the Tobii so much more. I have switched to the Tobii ET5 from a DIY IR-tracking solution, and I would never go back.
@@planely1263 for the price of trackir i might as well keep my vr headset tho 😅
Great, your next step will blow your mind,,,VR
Track IR with a full immersive experience.
Can you switch to monitor while in game in vr?
@@cutliss Yes you can go back and forth. I start my flight without VR and I put the plane in position for taxing. Then I put the VR on the remainder of the flight. You can go back and forth but I am always afraid of CTD if I do it too much. The landing is so real. You can do a 360-degree turn of your head and the thing will do. HP revert G2 is very clear.
Who’s the kitty?😮
To get Jack to jump up! Haha!
FD2S
I wonder how it will work with me being bosseyed? lol
ahh cool :) ich habe den auch und ja es ist schon sehr cool, du hast nichts am kopf und kanst herumsehen.
It's a pretty cool device. But I pass. I upgraded my PC to i9-12900F and 4070 ti GPU with 32 GB of RAM to run my G2 better. After trying VR is the best immersion possible. The problem is looking up, down, right, and left in the 737 with this device. My neck will be all messed up and my eyes super tired. Too expensive to be honest. After 5 days of using this, I will develop a tic.
Cheap webcam and freeware opentrack provides the same outcome... Save a fortune
Does opentrack support any eye tracking? I think that's the big selling point over opentrack or something like TrackIR.
@@spensers.4249 XP12 has the tracker option... I run the opentrack with a webcam and it works
Trump easter egg - hahahahaha classic!
people looking to buy this DONT. its $60 more then TrackIR 5. Its not even close to as precise as trackIR and people like us with Joysticks on our desk. The Tobii Eye Tracker will get confused thinking its your head. It can only be mounted below your monitor....pretty stupid. Completly not worth $60 more then TrackIR5
Sorry, but I beg to differ: I have used several IR tracking setups, and the Tobii ET5 as an input device for a tracking software (FtNoIR) has been the best experience of all so far. No more silly head gear to wear, no more loss of tracking as soon as the smallest ray of sunlight falls on the background - actually, no ambient lighting requirements or limitations at all. Also, I have had no real problems with the HC yoke installed, though you might have to make some adjustments. And - to me - it appeared even more precise...
Anyone would think you work for Track IR! I have to agree with planely on this one. I've found the Tobii eye tracker to be very accurate at monitoring my eyes and head and it moves exactly as want it to. I've not experienced any of the issues you have mentioned using both my Yoke and Joystick and it fits quite snuggly under my monitor, albeit my monitor is raised on a desk shelf which might be helping.
FD2S
Both this and TrackIR systems are incredibly awkward and disorienting, feels quite unnatural. VR is the only solution for the most natural feel while flying, but again, for those that can't stand VR for whatever reason, this could be the answer.
Or just train themselves into VR.
@@chewyfoks1840 I think VR is the way to go. It's not a money issue here because if you buy this you can at least get a quest2. I think looking around is good. I have a problem with the up, down, left, and right.
the circle is what turn me off
It can be deactivated. You don't always need to have it on, most do so only for demonstration.
Ridiculously expensive and as flawed as any other tracker but costing way more. Who in their right mind would splash out £259 on this? You can buy a WHOLE CAR in reasonable condition for that amount. There are other tracking solutions which work virtually as well for a fraction of the price.
Looks good. I have an app on my iPhone called smoothtrack (£8 i think) and that talks to Opentrack (free) over WIFI on the PC. It works with any game that recognises TrackIR. Very smooth and very reliable.