For All Mankind Season 4 Episode 8 Breakdown | Recap & Review Explained
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- For All Mankind Season 4 Episode 8 Breakdown. An in-depth recap and review of s04e08 "Legacy" with the ending explained. Please Subscribe 👉 czcams.com/users/petepeppers...
In the eighth episode of For All Mankind’s fourth season, Dev explains his plan to steal Goldilocks. Margo reunites with Sergei and gets bad news. Kelly may be on the verge of discovering life on Mars.
S4, E8
Legacy
Plans are made with interplanetary ramifications. Ed begins working with an unexpected partner.
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Official Apple TV+ Logline:
Rocketing into the new millennium in the eight years since season three, Happy Valley has rapidly expanded its footprint on Mars by turning former foes into partners. Now 2003, the focus of the space program has turned to the capture and mining of extremely valuable, mineral-rich asteroids that could change the future of both Earth and Mars. But simmering tensions between the residents of the now-sprawling international base threaten to undo everything they are working towards.
Chapter Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:59 Sergei & Margo
5:32 The Heist
10:50 Kelly/Thoughts
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What I like about this season (and I think you touched on it) is that although Ed & Dev have been assholes, I do kinda want them to succeed in this heist. But I also like Danielle and don't want NASA to be screwed. It's an interesting position to be in, rooting for both sides in a way.
yea the writing has gone up heaps this season
i assume this happen to you because you care about the nasa of reality, but once you realize the nasa in the series it is just one more brand of the industry thats there only to make money, you dont care about it ( i assume thats why you like danielle)
I thought it was interesting how the Russians inferred nasa was closely linked with Helios I wonder if ed and dev are successful if some of the blowback will come to nasa
I absolutely do NOT want to see them succeed 😆. What about all the more immediate prosperity Goldilocks could bringv to earth? A planet of billions vs a colony of like 4 people lol 😂
@@antoniao7439 you actually think the capitalists would trickle it down? xD
It’s crazy how Margo was so committed to NASA, slept there and is characterized as a brilliant person with 0 people skills. I love her
I thought going into this series, she was going to be this great character, but then in season 3 I just hated her. And not for the whole traitor situation. But how she treated Molly, and more so what she was saying about Ellen behind her back. Two women who put their lives on the line time and time again don’t need to take crap from someone who would do what Margo did.
I think she honestly felt guilt and goosebumps walking into the center that now is graced with the name of the woman she fired.
@@avatarmikephantom153 yea. As mentioned. 0 personality skills. 100+ academics. Molly was a legend. I still like her brain/smarts however we will see how she defects twice 🤷🏿♂️
@@mr.duanesharpe oh yeah. It’s no doubt Margo has certain traits to be admired. And that’s why she’s so great in season one because it feels like she’s breaking down the barriers that no one sees.
However the most insulting thing she does (at least in my eyes) is when Ellen visits JSC and she’s telling Alleata that Ellen’s here to bask in political greatness because she’s only a politician now. As if Ellen didn’t risk her life on Apollo 24, or stay alone on the moon, or continue to be a model astronaut, or step up as NASA administrator, or fight for NASA as a senator, or be the best friend the agency ever had as President. Ellen had the bravery to face her critics when she comes out. Margo defected under the guise of being exposed as a traitor. And hearing her say such crap about both a hero and her ultimate boss is just plain terrible.
It's a trope, she's following in Von braun's footsteps. Putting the work in front of all else... I have an inkling she'll defect to the North Koreans with Sergei, but we'll see. @@avatarmikephantom153
@@avatarmikephantom153I feel that scene with Ellen is misunderstood she’s not bad mouthing her she teaching her prodigy an important lesson about trusting those at the top. Ellen was a good person but she was more than willing to allow others to be screwed over to protect her position like Tyler. Margo didn’t want aleida to assume she’s always going to be team nasa just because she is an astronaut and under her leadership Helios was allowed to turn the moon and mars into glorified company towns
It feels like Dev is setting himself up to be the king of Mars. If he captures that asteroid he’s literally holding all the cards and can name his price. That’s how galactic empires are started.
it started Seldon's plan
come on everyday more close to the Martian Congressional Republic
@@rincontibio7664 hey now. This ain’t the Expanse.
@@mr.duanesharpe do not care, I want a Mars-Earth war for season 6
@@rincontibio7664 I don’t care if you don’t care either. How would the writers pull that off? A conflict sure. Like the Expanse. Nope
If Margo did undefect the US would probably play it as her being a double-agent.
Ah yes, good thought! 👍
What's the scam though? Immensely help their space program and do nothing to hinder it? Great work.
She would be charged and thrown to jail for treason and for violating the Espionage act (sharing NASA rocket engine designs with the enemy).
No "ifs", "ands" or "buts" about it.
Giving NASA secrets ( which are effectively military secrets) to the enemy is the easiest bar to pass for a treason and espionage act violation charge even before you get to the defection part.
@@Cbricklyne IRL this is absolutely right. BUT, For All Mankind isn't real life. 😉 The writers work by the seat of their pants! 😂 For example, with all the heavy security watching Margo's every move...but she was able to sneak away to visit her former Russian lover, the man who was used by the KGB? You think KGB Irina would let him live? Not IRL. He'd have his throat cut. So why do the writers have him saying Margo is in danger? ANSWER: To promote the drama they're revving up for an explosive end to S4! Science fiction rules the day! My point, the writers can and will depart from reality, and twist it to fit the storyline they're after. 😉 I mean, really, For All Mankind is almost as outrageous as X-Files! 🥴 Maybe even more outrageous!
She ain't smart enough to pull that off.
i will never forget "you look like a bear". possibly the most hilarious moment in this series so far
@@carbongo oh damn, i genuinly didnt even think of that. got a whole lot less funny all of a sudden...
Excellent observation about Ed having that tendency to be scary to kids. I thought it was going to be a moment where he really looked at himself and saw what a wretched person he had become, and maybe be the start of him shaping up a bit. Still could happen I suppose, but it isn't happening yet.
Ed’s old tired coarse voice becoming more energetic, almost rejuvenated as he was storytelling his grandson,, loved it
This episode was the best produced one of the season imo and the beginning of the redemption arc; just afraid it’ll lead to demise of my favorite characters now
just as i thought i couldn't hate ed baldwin any further, what with all the bonding with alex moments... he goes along and implicates his grandson in a heist while his mom's out searching for life.
fucking ed baldwin.
We know Ed has to go after this season. Even though he's one of the first protagonists we saw over the show's time, he is pretty damn old and if he's around the next season bro is gonna be a literal mummy next decade. They could just leave his character as being very old and mostly only shows up a handful of times during the season if its gonna be the finale
He has to go. He's pushing 80 at this point and the torch needs to be passed on. He'll definitely go out heroically and redeemed I believe. Everything is pointed towards that
My theory is that Dev orchestrated the whole strike in order to find those passionate about Mars who he could then work with to steal the asteroid which was his plan all along, they even sort of hint at this by saying Helios would profit massively if the asteroid went to Mars.
I reckon one of the possible scenarios is that they mess up the calculations of the burn for Goldilocks and it ends up smashing into Mars.
specially like the giant crater kelly was looking at. it seems foreshadowing. it took brightest minds on earth to calculate asteroid trajectory. it will be a big blunder on both dev and edwin when things goes disastrous
That would be a problem
this is my theory aswell, but knowing the series probably goldilocks will crash with the research team or near them making them a big issue or even maybe, finding right away life
And guess where that asteroid will then impact on Mars: At Korolev Crater killing Kelly Baldwin. 🤯
@@berlindude75 I think you’re right. The Korolev crater is definitely a good call. Not good for Kelly or her work, but it would definitely make sense as to why they have focused on it as a plot point.
The Korolev Crater scene was amazing especially on 25mg gummies. I wish we would have invested in exploration and expansion instead of war and religious fairytales.
Amen brother.
The music in that scene was masterfully done, I'm really pissed it wasn't part of the season 4 soundtrack. The herb definitely made that scene hit hard, if humans worked together to explore the solar system (and beyond) we would accomplish so much more.
Yeah but 1. That just wouldn't be as entertaining for TV purposes 2. It's humans of course it'll end in military conflict
@@thefireisonfireyou might be right after episode 9 which Pete hasn’t covered yet. If they managed to get the rock to Mars it’s going to be a shit show. Mars versus Earth!
Margo on the other hand. Well no spoilers. Episode 9 was crazy. 🎉
Amen. I have been saying this for a long time. If we all had a hive mind mentality to invest into STEM and Healthcare we would be light years from where we are now BUT instead …. Here we are like animals.
I cant imagine that the kgb didnt tail her and now sergei is going to arrested and retrieved.
Love seeing RCA is still going and their equipment is still being manufactured after 1986.
Incidentally, another brilliant, albeit short, scene featuring Coral Pena and Wrenn Schmidt. More please!
I'm really loving this series. I think we've gotten to know these characters so well that it's just so interesting to see how everyone interacts and deals with new situations. It's just the new characters like Miles that I'm not that thrilled by but it's nice that he was more involved with everyone else now in this episode
I just love these breakdowns. Perfect after glow content once we have watched the episode! (I think 8 was one of the best so far this season) Thank you!
Thanks Pete! Ever since I knew this was an “asteroid season”, and I guess due some recency bias from watching the Expanse, I’ve imagined that the asteroid will end up hitting Earth. Now that the season is unfolding I worry instead that the heist will overshoot and make the asteroid slam into Mars. Plot-wise it works as the overall effect will be the same in terms of the resources being literally on Mars, but it would be very dramatic and of course I imagine there would be some very substantial losses of life - which is due for some of our dear friends anyway. Would it hit Happy Valley? Or Koralev Crater? Or affect both? Or is this just too much gone too far?
I ve worked on the vfx shots of corolev craters!!! Feels so good to watch it on a big tv!!!!
If things work out the way Ed and Dev planned, then I think adult Alex would more than just think fondly of this moment. As this would be a pivotal moment that secured his future. Mars could be the next Saudi Arabia if this works out. Helios will be more than just a company, but also have the independence to be their own sovereign nation. Dev will no longer need to worry about other companies competing like he is with Helium-3 on the moon, and he won't have to bend the knee to what other nations want anymore. This will all establish the viability of sustainable life on Mars giving Alex a real future rather than just living on an outpost. The iridium would create jobs and terraforming Mars, which would make them less reliant on resources from Earth. This is why I believe adult Alex would truly appreciate and even feel proud for being apart of it. He would definitely realize the recklessness of putting a child in that situation, but he'll also understand that there was no other way. Hopefully, he lives long enough to gain the wisdom to know that. Assuming he doesn't turn into a cocky asshole like Ed did. Constantly reminding people of how he saved the future of Mars, and that everyone owes him a debt that can never be repaid. Ed and Kelly are both quite accomplished in their career, and that could definitely cast a huge shadow over Alex as he becomes an adult.
On a side note: I have to agree with Alex's grandmother about Kelly's insufficient bonding with her child. I'm glad that she is pursuing her career, but she has the same predilection as Ed when justifying her actions as a parent. I get that she's not on Mars to spend time with her son because she has a job to do, but at the very least she could call her son every day just to check in on him. Maybe she has, but we don't see it. From what we've seen of her as a mother, I highly doubt that even crossed her mind. I doubt she'll check in with Ed to see how Alex is doing. Kelly is definitely more attentive of a parent than Ed, but that isn't a very high bar to reach. I'm glad Ed has grown a bit more softer with children. He would never have stopped himself with Shane or Danny when it came to berating them for not doing what he expects. Had Ed been more understanding or attempted to learn rather than forcing those two to become something they're not. Maybe they would still be alive.
Although Danielle and Ed are butting heads, she will come around to support Dev and Ed in making Mars independent. It's in her nature to always follow her conscience when it matters. With her support, the rest of Mars will also support them. Miles could probably get Lee and the rest of the North Koreans to help knowing that if they succeed, then Mars would be a safe haven for them to defect to. And Mars would have the bartering power to bring their families over safely; otherwise, Mars may cut them off from the rest of Earth. No one would want to be on the bad side of Mars, and be left out of the financial and technological benefits. Even the cosmonauts could easily be persuaded with this much leverage.
Like how people are correlating this show to The Expanse, Mars would be a proof of concept that Earth is not the only viable planet/moon that could sustain life. The main difference is that For All Mankind does not delve to deep into science fiction, which I appreciate more than The Expanse. It would be unlikely they would find some alien fungus that leads to finding an ancient alien race that developed portal technologies. It would be more like Interstellar or Star Trek where they will focus efforts on traversing outside of their solar system. At the core of this show, it has been driven by their need to explore as far into space as they can. The drama and action is just how they paste together the logistics required to explore. It makes it entertaining to invest in the characters on the show. I can see this show creating spin-offs like Star Trek to cater to different demographics, while still sustaining their core audience with the main show. I just hope they don't run out of ideas or get to lazy with their writing like how The Walking Dead ended up.
I wonder how the show will deal with their usual format for the first episode of the season once they've gone past the point where they can rely on archived news footage. It won't be the same, and I think they may end up losing some of their audience when that happens. This would be a good reason to have a spin-off that could let those fans relive moments from the past through a different lens. Introduce new characters in the past, that may have been mentioned but never seen.
You make some great points but I also like to add that with the Martian outpost turning into Mars the planet the M7 nations might seek resources else where like the belt or Venus etc. Also I believe Lee's wife being secretly brought to Mars will inspire that defection of the other Koreans.
But Alex is already rich. His mum owns part of Helios since her mum was the COO then CEO for a day.
Thank you for the video!
I wonder how Margo got away from her detail? Margo facing consequences for her bad decisions. Loved the heist. Sam is so screwed in trying to completing the plan. I’m curious to see the consequences from stealing the asteroid, what is earth going to do? How will that effect the M7, etc
This Video has several good looks at the Discriminator box by itself and in place. Was sort of reminded of some Old "External" Hard Drives (of the late 90's/early 2000's) that were basically like a self contained cartridge/sleeve and could be easily Swapped IN/OUT of a Tower or Desktop PC. These usually had the option of a lock/key so a random person couldn't just walk off with a Drive... But it doesn't look like there are any Screws/Locks involved... Maybe a couple different alignment pins/rails that might make some noise or require a bit of force to insert/remove...
BUT if she could convincingly bring a large bag/kit/tool box and set it there she could swap it while performing "normal" repairs and/or maintenance checklist...
Even have someone else do the checklist... Walk up with Confidence plop the "Copy" on the desk and start performing the checklist... With the Kit/bag/box blocking the Original... Which she pulls and stashes as others perform the "dirty work" for her. They check it out, inspect it, probably call it into (unknowingly) Shadow OPS to verify operation and reinstall. She can keep her hands "clean", maybe run thru the check list. As long as everyone is looking at the "copy" and she isn't seen palming/hiding the old one... She can get the whole crew to confirm SHE didn't steal the "Cookie Jar"... She put it on the counter and had everyone verify everything was in place...
Overlooking that was incredibly sloppy writing.
Another fantastic video Pete. Look forward to these almost as much as the episodes themselves
Out of space version of Ocean Eleven: Mars Eleven. We still have to see if they pull off this ‘heist’. Both Damon & Clooney have out-in-space experience. 😜
I liked this episode.
Margo should just defect to all the space powers one by one. Helios... Best Korea... Independent Mars.
In the whole Ocean’s 11 dynamic, I laughed out loud at Alex being the Amazing Yen (The Greaseman)
Part of me thinks the heist crew is going to cause the asteroid to enter Mars orbit at an impact vector, instead of an orbital one... and it will strike in a way that either takes out Kelly, or gives us the cliffhanger of her potentially being taken out. That seems extreme, but it just has that feel a little bit.
I also think they're gonna cause a problem. It may end up putting it in orbit but I'd assume it'd be a Hail Mary
The image of the Korolev crater was dreading... is it foreshadowing?
Hey Pete, just a couple of thoughts. Personally I think Margos might end up defecting to Mars. Once that asteroid is in Mars orbit, it will make it one of the richest "territories of Humanity. Then I think that Ed, Dev, Sam, and the rest of the heist crew will forment a succession from the M7 and Helios.
Margo going to Mars would be bizarre.
@@tanler7953 with a declaration of independence, they would need an earth based embassy.
Cool idea. I think if the show keeps going we will see mars declare independence from the Earth governments, creating cool political moments and trade between the two planets. Never thought of Margo going to Mars. Interesting idea.
I think the crisis will be that they end up sending Goldilocks on a collision course with earth and Ed sacrifices himself to stop it. Or maybe Mars Happy Valley base and he sacrifices himself to save his daughter and grandson.
I wonder if Palmer is actually the Russian agent.
I also wonder if Sam will play it off by admitting guilt to everyone saying the Discriminator was already switched, in which case they switch out the old one thinking the opposite. Either that, or she implants a sub routine directly to Ranger’s computer throwing off its readings. I can also see a staged accident scenario (ala Dani in S1) where the old discriminator gets damaged and they are happy to see a backup already on board.
Life on Mars still seems a bit far-fetched, but I can see Kelly finding something else of value. Maybe they’ll just go full Total Recall. Season 5’s tagline: “Get your ass to Mars!”
I think the Russian agent will help the rebels to keep the asteroid on Mars. Remember, in an earlier episode it was mentioned that Russia is currently the biggest producer of Iridium ore, so the existance of the asteroid is a treath to their mining industry in Russia. This can also explain why Margo was sent back to the USA, Irina doesn't want that traitor to be aware of her real intensions.
collecting bets on the asteroid being put on a crash course towards either mars or earth (and if mars, it just so happens to be crashing dangerously close to the base)
im thinking ayabe the asteroid falls to mars's surface
Loving Pete's sharp eyes and thoughtful comments. Sam has only one thing she can do to have a couple minutes alone with the discriminator: she has to create an emergency distraction that gets people out of Ranger's bridge for a short time or at least so focused on a dire problem they won't notice her changing it up.
Also to mention, the show already confirmed that DART happened in the 90's during this timeline, already alluding that NASA has already done studies and experiments into asteroid redirecting/defense. It was only brought up during the aleida/margo telepathic scene to show them thinking in parallel, but could also be called upon later if the Asteroid hitting Earth scenario happens
5:18 - location is currently a church parking lot off NASA Road 1 in Webster, TX
Alex will have a key role in seasons 5 and 6.
I'm like Margo. Hamburgers are not salads!
That was yet another scene that perfectly encapsulates what I love about this show - it’s seems throwaway, but it actually developed character AND plot. Margo’s thinking about what she’s given up.
A less likely scenario: due to overburn the asteroid crashes into Mars, which accelerates how soon iridium can be processed and used. Down from 40 years in Mars' orbit to perhaps just a few years (useful for the timeline jump at the beginning of season 5). The crash might kill someone from the Baldwin family; they seem to be on the receiving end of disasters.
Ed’s a rascal, so Ed and Alex bonding doing rascal shit makes perfect sense.
I’m enjoying the flow this season because I can actually handle waiting a week between episodes. And I mean that as a compliment! There isn’t some “will they live or die” cliffhanger every other week that makes waiting a torture. Rather it’s a big grand plot with a lot of open points right now that gives me stuff to actually use that time to think. Love it!
Alex gonna continue the Balwin tradition of being an absolute menace to NASA and space in general
This is definitely the "Jump the Shark" season. Hopefully the last 2 episodes can salvage something worth remembering.
Hey Apple - can we please have an announcement about Season 5 in the next two weeks? Otherwise, I’ll be feeling pretty emotional watching 4.10…..
I would think the next jump would be after ed and margo being either too old or dead which would be 2013 where we will have a completely different main characters
One criticism I have of this season is that It's not clear to me how capturing the asteroid is going to be such a "game changer" for Earth. I mean, when they were able to stop using petroleum products in this timeline the revolutionary economic effects were easy to understand. But how is access to a bunch more minerals going to really change the economies of Earth? I'd like some more detail on that -- some look into competing theories of whether just adding more commodities can actually translate into some kind of global rise in standards of living. Or, is that really more hand-waving, and what it will really do is make a few corporations and countries richer in a very narrow way? People like Dani talk as if the asteroid is going to end hunger or something, but we've yet seen no evidence of anything like it.
My prediction for end of season: They hijack the asteroid controls and extend the burn, but something happens and the extended burn cuts off too soon. Season ends with Goldilocks on a collision course with Earth and the engines can't supply enough deflection to avoid Chicxulub 2. Also Margo is targeted by homegrown extremists.
Have a similar but more wacky prediction:
The burn goes too long and they end up cashing the asteroid into that pretty ice crater, triggering some wild, far fetched terraforming event.
Or it will accidentaly hit the Moon. Lately there have been a lot of stories where something happens to the Moon. And when you consider, that iridium is more dense than depleted uranium, it won't be a small thing.
@@MegaDuras I can see that being a season 5 thing. The only way they can keep the asteroid from striking the planet is to deflect it enough and sacrifice the moon. But I see the end of this season as "oh shit, we just hurled a rock at Earth!"
@@rainbows4dinos Too much wasted potential. I think Kelly will find some proof of life, maybe even something nasty.
I just googled 'Chicxulub" and Google has an amusing search result page for the 'Chicxulub' keyword.
Could Margo and Aleida together be asked to divert the imminent catastrophe of Goldilocks crashing to Earth, becoming a planet killer? Margo being granted 'full forgiveness' of her treason in trade? Regardless, I do believe 5 things will happen: 1) Margo will stay in America, 2) Margo will not be imprisoned for treason, 3) Margo will be in S5, fully restored to NASA, "publicly" exonerated, 4) Aleida will reconcile with Margo, 5) Kelly will kill 🔪 Ed for using her son in his subversive Goldilocks robbery! 😂
This is perfect lol
Hoping if the heist is successful, Mars won't become Space Venezuela
Let us salute the supreme geekiness (a compliment) and attention to detail of this show - how much time and money did they spend on the mural for ‘Spiro T Agnew High School’? For a two second throwaway gag. Bravo!
Great summary tonight. I want to see a Monarch-FAL crossover. Let that big sand monster come out of that crater where Kelly is. 😊 Ed Baldwin vs Godzilla.
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i'm watching it now, so I have only seen a small part, but Sergei going to school...the music sounds kind of country and rote like his life....and the music radically changes and becomes deeply moving, passionate --- as he begins to process the revelations about Margo... I thought that was powerful the music in particular sounds like violin was powerful, and very different than Coral Pena as Aledia with her powerful emoting and body language....like this depth and the nuances in story telling --- more than a lot of the "creative" re written history -- that's a part I'll never be comfortable with or really like, but I like the cast and the acting... (ps i'm dealing with insomnia and trauma from over 11 years ao -- violence nyc no justice just more crimes....... I'm trying trying to proofread fix my terrible typos before I post because once I do, I cannot edit via my phone....)
I'm hoping they mess up the capture & Goldilocks heads on a collision course straight for earth, or they'll just smash it on Mars right where Kelly is exploring💚🇬🇧🌱
Woops….. I hope my accidental spoilers in the past recap didn’t screw anyone up. Sorry, I got ahead of myself and I’m sorry
This asteroid could give rise to the Belters as seen in the Expanse. I expect this is Margo and Ed's last season. Major characters have been killed off in the last episode of each season thus far. Kudos, an absolutely brilliant TV show.
I look forward to the next 4 seasons as we go past our own timeline and towards, Ganymede, Io and Europa.
One detail that i think shouldn't be overlooked is Alex asking Kelly if she'll come back, i wouldn't be surprised, with how much the writers seems to enjoy killing Ed's loved ones, if Kelly ends up dying because of something going wrong with the asteroid. All in all It was a good episode, but still the weakest "episode 8" we've had in the series, in s1 we had Shaun dying with Ed stranded on the moon, on s2 we had the moon marines shooting the cosmonauts along with a bunch of other stuff, and in s3 we had the fallout from the drilling accident.
@@Dr.LongMonkey Why didn't they just change it but had to change it up?
The elephant in the room here is China's space program, as yet completely ignored.
If there had been any danger, Ed would not have even entertained using his grandson like that. He was just crawling a few feet into another room.
Living and teaching in Iowa is barely better than a USSR gulag. It’s gonna be tough to top, “…stealing an asteroid is cool!”
God bless Helios for listing the mass of the discriminator in kg and the dimensions in inches
2:09 I think it's cool that in this alternate timeline since there was increased funding to education, they kept things like shop classes. Also without W, No Child Left Behind never happened. I wish I had shop class.
Shop classes were dead long before W unfortunately.
Pete got another Margo morning sequence but now with Sergey. What a treat to kick off the episode.
Agreed. Made me laugh out loud.
Not really sure how the group will get billions of dollars for forcing the asteroid into a Mars orbit. They will still need the thousands of ships to actually mine the asteroid and I can see how Dev might make money from that, but I imagine the rest of the crew will be arrested.
We all know the asteroid is going to impact something, since nothing in the show goes right. It's now a guessing game. Will it's trajectory send it on a collision course towards earth? Will the asteroid end up impacting mars and potentially hit where either happy valley or Kelly's crew is at? Lots of unknowns, the writers honestly struck gold this season with its concept and a lot of writing and story-building from the previous seasons are paying off like fine wine.
I had thought the same thing. The burn goes wrong either sending the asteroid on a collision course with earth. Maybe the moon. It will be a fight to get it under control. And I’m betting that’s the season cliffhanger.
Agreed. My money is on a possible earth collision.
I'm a bit confused why, even if the plan works, M7 couldn't just refuel the engine and send Goldilocks to Earth anyway. I mean, worst case you lose a year or three waiting for the planets to get back in the same position, right? Also, anyone else assuming that this will put the rock on a collision course with Earth, just on the basis of that being the most dramatic outcome?
This is a really interesting prospect, the asteroid on a collision course with earth.
Launch windows. They'd have to wait ~2 years for another opportunity to send the asteroid on to Earth. And you can bet the union will put their foot down when the asteroid is already in Mars orbit.
Considering the enormous mass of the asteroid, they only have the technology to provide nudges. The nudges are enough to get it into a slingshot path towards Earth, or enough to slow it down so it falls into Mars orbit. But getting an object that massive back out of Mars orbit would take much more than a nudge, so if they manage to get it into orbit it's pretty much stuck there.
@@pacoramirez7363 Unless the Goldlocks falls in another orbit because of the stability of the former orbit, it is as difficult to get it out as it was to get it into orbit. So they need to wait for the time and than push Goldilocks out of orbit with a 5 Minute Burn.
@@pacoramirez7363 hm, i'm not sure if that really holds up. considering the difference between a flyby and capture into orbit is only 5 minutes of burn time, they could just as easily push it back out by burning for 5 minutes, and it would end up on the exact same trajectory as initially planned. only issue would be the transfer windows, which as someone already said would take around 2 years to line up again. it'll be interesting to see how they secure it after its capture; maybe 5 minutes is only enough to get it into a very ellipctical orbit, and they need to convince the workers on mars to join their cause and produce more fuel to get it into a circular one? the fun part is that M-7 wont be able to react in any way, atleast initially. The only thing that can feasibly move that asteroid is Ranger, and that just expended all available fuel capturing into orbit. who knows, it could lead to a standoff between the 'pro-martian asteroid' workers and the 'pro-earth asteroid' higherups as the climax of the season
The opening felt like Breaking Bad: a chemist teacher who drives a boring car, living a boring live, doing the same thing everyday, until he deviates from his normal routine. The rest of the episode was a classic heist scenario. How Margo managed to get to the diner is a huge plothole. On Mars, I wonder where they managed to install the ghost-command center, considering the tighter security. I guess it's inside the N-Korea zone, the only place the new security force can't look. If the rebels can't swap the discriminator, then the next best solution is to ignite those engines with manual control. They stated a 20 seconds burn sends it to earth, a 25 seconds burn puts it in Mars orbit. I suppose a more than 25 seconds burn will make it crash land on Mars. I guess the end of season catastrophy will be Goldilocks falling on the site where Kelly is doing her research.
Every episode my head canon of this show being an Expanse prequal inches closer
When they said the vent to get the discriminator was that size I immediately said “OH NO” out loud and you just knew immediately Ed would get his grandson to get it 🙄 very relieved it went ok!!
The mission to redirect the asteroid to Mars will either succeed, or have it end up moving back into space. Also, someone is gonna die before the end of the season (I'm going to guess it will be Ed, in some sort of heroic sacrifice).
When it comes to Goldilocks
1. What do you think will happen? (Earth gets Goldilocks or Mars gets Goldilocks)
2. What do you want to happen? (Earth gets Goldilocks or Mars gets Goldilocks)
1&2 Goldilocks will crash land on Mars, it falls on the site where Kelly is doing her research.
Kelly is definitely killing them lol
20 trillion is only the estimated value of the Iridium in the rock, it is full of other pressious metals ie gold, platinum etc, though it should be primarialy composed of iron and nickel, I think thats a point people and scriptwriters keep forgetting. Seeing comments about possibly altering the trajectory to impact mars, I doubt it, the physics of moving such a large object are not friendly, going from hyperbolic(flyby) to mars impact trajectory requires more delta V than hyperbolic to highly elliptic (aka mars capture). We are not given orbital elements of the asteroid but what we do know is this asteroid has an apoapsis (far point from the sun) near Jupiter and at some point its path comes close or crosses mars orbit, the NASA plan to me is to lower the periapsis (closest point to the sun) to a point near enough to earth that an intercept and capture become possible. As for why they can't just reverse the trajectory change, the planets are always in motion and a high elliptical orbit around mars would have a period of several days or weeks, even if they had the delta V on hand the window would be closed for 2+ years, they can't immediately turn around the asteroid and undue the course change as again, that astroid is big, easier to undock and move to the ship to other side, though hardware would likely prevent them from doing that as we saw in ep 1. With the asteroid in Mars orbit, may as well keep it there, sure they could try again but once you start mining may as well build up the martian infrastructure. Will be fun to see the crew, Mars, and Earth watch the burn timer go from 20:00 to 20:01... and see the growing panic as everyone tries to figure out what went wrong or how to override and shut down the engines. Also curious to see the other plot threads collide in the next two episodes.
Mars and Goldilocks have crossing orbits so a collision may be inevitable, they only need to perturb Goldilocks enough to get an encounter in decades instead of thousands of centuries. Given the low available delta-v and high computational requirements it should be a subtle n-body solution; I don't think changing from hyperbolic to capture in one orbit should even be on the table
Fun fact: Kelly travelled 12,750 km round trip and also worked for a bit all over _3 days_ . Assuming a 12hr trip each way, they would have travelled at 531.25km per hour. Plus or minus depending on time travelled. I thought they drove (impossible) until i saw the capsule in the background.
Assuming that she travelled in a craft capable of orbital flight, she could have reached her destination in a couple of hours.
They are using the hopper - vehicle that gets them up to the orbital station and then drops them down at some other point. She could cover that distance in an hour or two, depending on the distance the station is orbiting.
Margot did freeze out her mentor for similar reasons
The KGB cook sabotages the burn, it gets cut short at 23 minutes, causing earth and mars to orbit saturn and all three get thrown out of the system on an intergalactic trajectory
I think somehow they are gonna mess up and crash the asteroid into Mars.
"Chalk one up for sharing your passion"😂👊🏽
I have a feeling that they're gonna accidentally crash the Goldilocks into Mars😂
With all the budget for special effects you would think they could do a better job with Ed’s moustache
Makeup department is as it is. It is all practical effects, and people have said that the actor was there before anyone else, sometimes at 5AM to get the whole makeup on and prepare for the shoot. On his part, he is trying his best to look like an old Ed. Why they couldn't do better makeup/wig/mo&beard I don't know. I guess they just didn't get the best makeup artists in the business.
I am a funny feeling that goldilocks is going to crash on mars and cause havoc
Asteroid heist begins but fighting cuts burn short of mars but long of earth so it flies off into deep space unrecoverable. Scientists discover it will hit the planet after another orbit so a later season will include a deflection to prevent collision. Another heist is cooked up to capture instead of deflect.
Well, all the Internet cables run smack past Yemen, so that could be a nice wrinkle. ✂️
You liked what I liked, the swelling strings when he turned right, and mussing over how dead Ed is gonna be when Kelly finds out .
Still not sure whether Ed's cockiness is gonna get Danielle killed though.
I just am curious what would happen on earth after they figure out the astroid got stolen. probably creates some major conflicts
It’s the opposite of what Marcos did on “The Expanse” I love it!
Nah sasa kang, beratna! Skoshi bakash fo pomang taki fo you!
My best guess for a season ending clifehllfhanger is the heist burn malfunctions and sends goldilocks on a "direct hit" trajectory towards Earth.
Unsure. Every season jumps by 10 years, and the asteroid certainly would travel to earth in a much shorter time. Whatever happens has to be resolved this season. It would be interesting for the series finale to show a civilization ending event, showing that no matter how bright the future seems humanity will inevitably find a way to wipe itself out.
This series is going to prequal Babylon 5 and The Expanse through the slogan "Free Mars"! ;-)
Mars will become independent and in control of the most valuable thing in the system
Another great episode, but gosh damn the only thing holding this episode back same as with the other episodes is the piss poor CGI, that last scene with Kelly looks like something from a high school project, it literally looks like you could touch the green screen.
Hey Pete, where are all the charging stations for all those electric cars?
@@Dr.LongMonkey dude just drove from Iowa to florida
It's a Prius, which is a hybrid, not full electric.
@@mikediver8158 And you expected the show to show you his every stop to refuel his car? What a thrilling episode that would be! Just admit you have an agenda and stop trolling please.
@@Wustenfuchs109 lol
The asteriod could crash on Mars with the degraded orbit it they attempted to counter the substerfuge it during the burn. Who is the Russian agent. That is key.
I hope the world hears Margo's story, then the US expels the Russians and threatens to go to war over Margo. I have been wondering how long the writers would leave us in the dark about Sergei. I love the way his wife looks and sounds like Margo.
She’s going to jail no matter what if she stays doesn’t matter what the story or reasons were
I really like that the book Ed is reading from are the first chapter of "The Sand Pepples" by Richard McKenna. It was later made into a movie starring Steve McQueen.
Along with John Hammond and Murphy Brown!
Very few things in this show happen by accident - the novel deals with similar themes to the show itself, notably colonialism and labor unrest.@@shanent5793
I guess Agnew didn't resign in this timeline because Sergei teaches at Spiro T. Agnew High.
I'm afraid for Kelly tho.. I don't like this feeling..
Especially since Alex asked if she was coming back...
I just know It's gonna crash on Earth!
Margo can escape on Mars
Coflicted about who I want to get the asteroid. I like Dani so much better than Ed and Dev. I'm still not a fan of Miles and was very happy to see Sergei. I feel for his new wife.
I think the thing that will go wrong is that the asteroid ends up crashing into the planet, shock wave hitting Happy Valley?!🤔
is highly likely they steal the asteroid with success but the math wasnt very good so they end up overshooting and send up the asteroid directly into mars, maybe even killing the team searching for life
I hate the steal the moon plan, and Margo is a flat-out traitor
Never liked him but I hate Ed every episode more and more. Alex asking his mom if she will return gives me bad vibes for Kelly :(
And give me more Margo and Sergei please.
At this point it wouldn't shock me if they add a UFO. There running out of places to go, without turning this show into The Expanse.
Even if Dev's plan works they'll still be reliant on Earth for the equipment and resources to mine the asteroid for the decades to come. I can't imagine that will be easy once everything hits the fan
Indeed, but this way they will have something to blackmail the Earth with. Want resources? Send us what we need to mine it all, or nothing is going to happen. But yeah, the whole scenario is stupid. Realistically, if something like this happened, Earth would not fold. Even if it was impossible to send an asteroid again towards Earth, they would send a huge detachment of troops to take back Happy Valley and make sure that the new administration is Earth-friendly.
Earth has people, resources, weapons. Happy Valley has a few hundred people, no weapons other than a few handguns and no way to resupply. And they are in control of an asset worth trillions of $.
In which sensible universe Earth does not IMMEDIATELY build 10 spaceships, puts 30+ soldiers on each, and sends them to Mars to take back control? I am guessing in this universe, which is why the whole storyline is stupid.
Regardless of what happens with an asteroid (captured my Martian gravity, or crashes into the planet), Earth would respond in the same way - send in the troops to regain the control of the renegade outpost. A few hundred technicians with next to no weapons are no match for the Earth and its capability to retaliate in a situation like this.
I wonder if Ed & Dev play a sea shanty across all comms during their heist. They owe Danni one.
Now THAT would be funny.
Don't you get Dev and Ed's point? It's about the Martian Dream!!!
I still can't get into this show. It has to do with the acting, or maybe the make up of the aged actors that is off but I can't shake the feeling that it feels off.
One thing I can't help thinking about tho, is that this seems like the perfect set up for The Expanse. There are a lot of parallels between the mega corporations trying to exploit the workers, the Helios people being the original Belters, the kid born in space who is already unable to live on earth.... This would be a good prequel.
Hi guys, iam so desapointed, sad, desespéré in french, by this season 4. C’était bien, et puis c’est devenu une série sur les problèmes sociaux, problèmes d’argent, et quasiment plus rien sur l’univers de la conquête spatiale… fin très décevante.