@@grimreapers I really do enjoy watching your sims, quite fantastic actually. If you knew where I worked you’d be like “wait a minute.” I can tell you, from what I do, that the stuff you do is impressively accurate. Some not so. Ugh, but for the most part, the reason I enjoy watching your stuff is you’re pretty darn close. Keep up the good work, oh, and quit flying like a ‘tard. Watching you guys on or near the ground gives me hives!😂😂😂🖕🏻
Without being nosey into your finances, if finances are indeed a block to a pc upgrade, then why not start a patreon fundraiser to cover the cost of the required components? I'd love to see bigger and better battles, I'd donate £10.
EffMee I just typed out this thing that was overly elaborate and potentially helpful… Cap… in short hand so I don’t delete this as I almost finish typing it out on my phone… I Effing hate that.. Do a one-timey thing for X upgrade towards Y dream build… Spend ~10-15 seconds explaining it in the briefing… Drop us a link in the comments for a true “one-time-donation”… Report in later briefings how close we are to reaching X upgrade… Let us have some fun helping you get the build of your dreams!!! Worst case scenario is I guarantee that “We, the audience” could really enjoy watching these videos as you get the proper build to run it at that scientific level that exists in your mind…!!!
Also, maybe look at using AWC EC2 z1d server for the recorded run. It's a few dollars per hour for the time if you go through hosting like ready-room. This still lets you set it up locally and do your testing, but give you a monster machine for the production run at a fairly low cost.
The Ronald Regan is no longer based in Japan. She returned home to Washington this month for a long overhaul. The new US carrier in Japan is the USS George Washington.
@@grimreapers It actually has not happened yet, this is a cutting edge change. RRN and GW are both in San Diego right now, doing turnover. Abraham Lincoln is actually the one in 7th Fleet right now!
Nice to see GW back in action, I was lucky enough to get a personal tour with my Navy friend in Norfolk a while back - the Nimitz are just incredible ships.
I love that you are trying to work out time on target attacks now! Its exciting to see how saturation of the missile defense would work. I can imagine by 2027 there would be tons of drone decoys, stealth harm drones and all sorts to make life miserable for missile defence
@@grimreapers Is it possible to spawn missiles mid-flight? It'd be tedious to set up but would give you a lot of control over timing. You'd start us en media res with the missiles all in the air, and we'd watch how the defenders get on. PS Thanks for all you do - its always a joy to watch your work
As much damage as the 003 took, let’s not forget that the US missiles would be able to acquire new targets en route to deconflict once the primary target has been sunk. That whole harbor would’ve been gone.
I mean in a real scenario the US carrier group wouldn't even get close enough to fire their missiles. China has quite literally thousands of land-based anti-ship ballistic missiles that outrange anything you could put on a carrier.
@@cassius_eu5970 That assumes that the carrier would be by itself, it wouldn't. A typical Carrier Strike Group has 7-9 ships (the composition isn't static, there can be more or less than that). Two or three Arleigh-Burke class DDGs, one or two CGs (like Ticonderoga) one or two SSNs and a supply ship. Assuming a 10 ship CSG, and the most modern version of the ships, the CSH would have upwards of ~400 to 500 air defense missiles, 12-17 CIWS systems, and upwards of 100 to over 200 cruise missiles. None of that to say that China couldn't hit a carrier, but they would have a hard time doing it. The chance of China having all of their anti-ship cruise or ballistic missiles in range of a CSG at all times is slim to none. They may have a lot of missiles, but they have to be in the right place at the right time to matter.
@@Trve_KvltChina has thousands of ballistic anti ship missiles that cover hundreds of miles beyond the range of the entire Chinese coast at all times and also have a very large amount of advanced hypersonic ship to ship and probs tens of thousands more of regular supersonic/subsonic/cruise anti ship missiles. A US Carrier Group simply does not have enough SM 6 capacity to defend, even assuming all interceptors hit which is pretty much impossible.
@@bigbrothersinnerparty297 you are VASTLY overestimating the number of missiles China has that can be brought to bear on a carrier group. By an order of magnitude or two, not to mention you can only hit that you can target, and the electronic warfare of a modern US carrier fleet is the highest in the world
@@Shadowboost I am definitely not. China tests 100-200 ballistic missiles per year, for a country in rapid armament this indicates an absolutely insane number of missiles in production. DF 26 for example already had 300-400 missiles by US Estimates in 2020, likely much higher by now, and its range is 4000km. US EWAS would hinder communication and especially air to air missile tracking, not initial satellite tracking and autonomous missile control and maneuvering. Also I am certain the Chinese will have some measure of EWAS themselves given the Russian EWAS experience in Ukraine or American lent weapons and also have initial anti-EWAS measures. Also initial targeting is most important since Hypersonic missiles are only slightly maneuverable anyways and a short range launch from the Chinese coast is very likely.
I forgot they did Rapid Dragon before. But my point was to add it as a wave to overwhelm the defenses not as a standalone attack. Using a few C-130 dumping 30-40 LRASM FROM 300 miles away and timing them to come in at the same time as the tomahawks.
Chinese aircraft and ships being out numbered in Shanghai is a surprise. Also the air defense is very minimal, especially lacking the chinese C-RAM types
Never realised that when something fly near space territory in DCS the lighting actually changes, shadows and lighting become sharper because there is no atmosphere to diffuse the lights rays. Really good attention to details. And thanks for amazing videos as usual ! It would be so amazing to have back real players inside these massive battles. I could imagine real players playing stealth as sort of front AWACS and the non stealth would be the AI. Probably would require way too much work to enable this but would love to see it
Actually - what I didn't really notice... this is nearly an hour long.... awesome!! Imagine, the rubbish Disney is giving us for Star Wars is £180m per 30 min episode .... Cap needs more kudos
Capt, a non disclosure question, you keep saying about your PC / serve is having issues with lack of resources, may I ask where is the shortage? Is it the CPU or RAM ? I would like to help
It feels like the Chinese air wing got a huge head start on what they'd have ready to launch, as well as detection ranges for the oncoming stealth aircraft to trigger the launch of alert aircraft.
Cap, all of these videos are super fun to watch. The one thing that gets me every time though is being limited to carrier launch rates. As far as I know, no Navy has a doctrine of starting an attack with a majority of it's planes still on the deck. In a real engagement, the various aircraft would all be launched prior to the attack (maybe some staging for later units, but certainly all air defense squadrons would be up and grouped in 4-ship) and put in place for a coordinated attack. Is there a technical reason you don't start aircraft already in the air, and formed up into unified waves? This would enable not only faster sims, but also allow for much easier Time on Target planning since you'd have the entire squadron launching together. You could also start to command squadrons to go to different attack vectors, instead of everyone taking off, and flight in a straight line at the target.
Cap- I think I speak for the Reapers community. If you are willing to do more of these battles and can make them bigger with a better PC: we will all chip in on a gofund me. But we want to see a big battle with the goodies beating the baddies 😅❤
F-35's in A2A should be sufficient, and much more realistic. Though I could see the US pulling out all of the stops if they thought they needed to sink a carrier and putting F-22's in a strike package as described. One thing I really think though is that out at sea, submarines pose a bigger threat to any carrier group than a mass strike from an opposing carrier group.
The agm158 would be very useful in this scenario. It's stealthy, powerful, carrys anti jammers, and is very hard to detect since it skims over the water.
Regarding your simulations problem, I believe the best and safer approach would split it in 2 parts: 1. Just the aircrafts and their loads. They will have their fights and the surviving aircraft will head to the expected waypoint in order to launch the anti-ground/ship missiles. + this would make it less chance to have buggy aircrafts doing non-sense (like the J-16s in the video) and more room for calculation for the air missiles 2. You take the remaining aircrafts and their loads, add all the ships and have them firing at the parameters. + now the sim will only have to deal with the missiles coming in and the defenses and there will be a lot less aircrafts flying to calculate/handle, making the defense calculation more accurate as well -- For the first part of the fight, the ground and sea defenses are just sitting there with a bunch of data in the memory, taking calculation space in the sim but not really adding to the fight until the missiles are very close. - The same is true for the F/A-18s that are mostly flying to the destination but not really adding to the initial fight.
@@grimreapers A bit more expensive than i thought . I could donate half of it if the other members and subscribers could match it . Would be worth it being able to see all the old battles without having to prune the sides to allow it to run .
I am surprised by the fact that in these scenarios, you don't use the MALD missile in an offensive role in order to deplete the defender's missile supply, before you start throwing your offensive AS misslies towards the targets. I am not an expert by any means, but it seems to me to be the most sound strategy to overcome the massive amount of Chinese defense missile capability. Maybe that could be a future strategy that would be fruitful for America in this particular scenario.
That would also be nice to see in naval battles and sounds like a good strategy to deplete US missile defences before the real missiles hit. The US has a ton of missile defence so it would be a good strategy to defeat it.
I remember China has land based HHQ-9B. Is that true they have not been added to DCS? It seems HQ-22s are quite useless in dealing with multiple target.
@grimreapers I'm really sorry to hear that. You guys normally perform pretty darn decently and some of your matches are real nail biters! Love it when your all stars have to resort to guns to get the win!. Is there a channel where your matches were broadcasted?
I don’t like to script it for the blues to win. Also, I cannot use half of the weapons and tactics that the blues would use. It seems like you were playing both sides of the fence.
@grimreapers Hi Cap. Watching this scenario on the Falklands/South America map gave my an idea for potential scenario. People say that after the military reductions following the Cold War, the British couldn't perform the Falklands war if it happened today. How about you test that? My hypothesis is it's 2030. 4 months ago the Argentinian's performed a surprise attack on RAF Mount Pleasant and managed to take control of the island. The British response is to retake the Falklands, but the 4 month delay was caused by politicians trying to decide whether it was worth the cost... but now the 'Falklands War II' is about to begin! The Argentinians have not been idle in that 4 months! The runways are repaired, air defences have been installed, and a secondary airbase is in place at Stanley. Their primary air-to-air aircraft are the 24x F-16AM's that were obtained in recent years. Three were lost by Typhoon/SAM's during the surprise invasion, leaving just 21 left. However, the economic collapse of Venezuela has resulted in that country selling their F-16's to Argentina, bringing another 13 fighter aircraft into the mix... for a total of 34x F-16's! A dozen A-4AR Fightinghawks (Skyhawks) have been taken out of mothballs, given a rushed overhaul to get them activated... and have 1980's AIM 9 Sidewinder for a secondary air-to-air role. Argentina also has two EC-21A (Learjet 35) in the ELINT/Electronic Warefare role. At Stanley, the Argentinians have 15x IA-63 Pampa III in the ground attack role. These could be used to attack any Royal Navy ships with Mk81/Mk82 bombs. For the British, it all comes down to a single aircraft carrier, the Prince of Wales. The Queen Elizabeth is unavailable due to a another fault (highly embarrasing for politicians and the Royal Navy!). The Prince of Wales only has 20x F-35B's available. The carrier could take 40 aircraft, but a ground offensive requires Chinook, Apache, Merlin and Wildcat helicopters. The RAF also has a pair of E7A Wedgetail in the AWACS role, an RC135W Rivet Joint in SIGINT role, and four P-8 Poseidon in the anti-ship role... these are operating out of RAF Ascension with A330MRTT Voyager tankers to keep a 24 hour observation and ASW protection for the British taskforce. I'll leave it up to you to decide each countries naval assets for this scenario. What I think would make things interesting is how the Argentinians have the home-field advantage, including the fuel to maintain combat air patrols and attack any British aircraft approaching the Falklands. However, they are flying early 4th generation fighters. On the other hand, the British have limited fighters available, but are stealthy 5th Generation, plus better ISTAR (Intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance) assets, including satellite coverage. Hope you accept this mission... and have fun!!
41:40 312,000 ft (59 mi/95 km) "in space"... _Technically_ whether you're "in space" or not depends on the definition you're using. The Karman line is at 65 mi/100 km so by that definition you ARE NOT in space. For the USAF space begins at 50 mi/80 km so you ARE in space.
the J15s would probably have done much better if they were kept all the way back and used as missile defense, knowing that planes in DCS can target missiles now.
China would have no doubt sent in an anti-ship bomber wing to sink the US carrier group when they were still 1000 miles away, meaning the only way this would happen would be as part of a preemptive/first strike. China has 10 different air bases in its Eastern Theater, all of which would be in range to participate in this battle, plus a few other air bases in its Central Theater. These have plenty of J-11 and J-10 fighters that could participate in this battle, probably ~300 aircraft in total, counting the J-16s and J-20s. The J-16 is also far more advanced than the J-15 here, as it has an AESA radar and more efficient engines. The HQ-22 would also be better in real life, able to shoot down AIM-174 and Mako, as it's basically meant to be an equivalent to the S-400. Also, I'm pretty sure the F/A-18 can only carry 2 AIM-174s in real life because of how heavy they are. Lastly, China would have plenty of destroyers, submarines, and other naval assets surrounding the carrier group if they entered the East China Sea like they did here, ready to fire AShMs and torpedoes at a moment's notice, as well as land-based ASBMs prepared to launch in advance specifically for this scenario.
hq10s just aren’t gonna stop a sm-6 coming in at hypersonic speed, the momentum will continue even after the interception and hit the target. And the ciws on 055 is over modeled as well.
The game very much relies on the publicly stated capabilities rather than the real life demonstrated capability. Like how S-300 is an effective air defence system in DCS while in reality it's proven to be a bit of a damp squid.
Would it make sense for at the end of these large battles for some anti-ship missiles to target the other combatant ships? As they will be out of missile, might as well take them out along with the enemy carrier. More bang for the bucks.
Could the UK have targeted the ARA Veinticinco de Mayo during the Falklands War using Harriers whilst in port? Also, would any of the battles during the war be any different if the Royal Navy kept the Phantom FG.1 fleet as well as (or instead of) the Harrier FRS.1 fleet?
When a PC is bought like a pre-built, they all will come with the Hard-Drive as the "Boot Device", if you change this to your NVMe SSD instead of your Hard Drive every game you load will load 10x faster, this makes loading times a lot quicker. All you really would need after that is more DDR4 or DDR5 whichever RAM you have currently. But just swapping the Boot Drive to your NVMe SSD will speed this PC up 10-fold. Buying RAM cards is a lot cheaper than buying another pre-built whenever PC can be modified as good as the Newest PC's with just re-organizing the Boot Device. NOTE: Do Not go buy a SATA SSD without buying the cable as well. If you just change your Hard Drive (HDD) or an SSD the cable will bottle neck your drive right off the bat and nothing will change. The reason why the NVMe SSD is the best, because it's on the Mother Board itself and bypasses the cable altogether.
I would think if the US Air Force is added B 52's launching AGM-86 CALCM missiles is very likely. I know the Buffs land in Okinawa all the time. In fact there is a story out there where one was on the tarmac with it's bomb bay open because of the heat when a nuclear weapon fell out of the aircraft onto the tarmac scaring the heck out of the airfield.
Love the videos, long time viewer. I have seen the Peregrine in multiple videos recently, but I am confused because as far as I know, Peregrine has been cancelled. You can't find the page on Raytheon's website, and there has been no recent information. Do you have some reason to believe they are continuing with the Peregrine missile and plan to move it into service?
hey cap, once you got your computer all up and beyond spec, i have an idea on how do this video as originally requested: to even out the massive US attack, the Chinese figure out it's coming, and set a trap. the ships are still in harbor, but are fully active, with a few extra air defense ground units moved into place around the harbor. is any of this realistic? ofc not. what's the fun of realism?
Love how you guys make up the situation that would the US starting ww3. How about this battle then, the Chinese retaliation strike on a weapons depleted 7th fleet, which might include a fleet nuclear strike due to the assault on Chinese mainland
SM-6 vs J-15 = Pink Mist, I don't think the AIM-260 is modeled accurately in game. It's got a lot of processing power and Data-link, and the F-35s can link in the SM-6 even against the J-20.
I could see how this might be quite challenging, but have you ever considered restricting the CAG's munitions load-outs to the actual capacity of the ship's magazine? In this scenario here, those 48x AIM-174s and 48x LRASMs, along with all the other loaded ordnance, might not fit on the ship. Great work, BTW...cheers.
Cap dose the IAds script work on ships? If so might get them working as layered air defence over targeting independently and doubling or more up 🤔 just a thought
My old ship, the Lincoln (CVN-72), is over in the Middle East right now with F-35Cs on board. I remember when the F/A-18Es were the "new kid"!! 😂 I have an idea for a scenario, Cap. Shipboard SM-6 and airborne AIM-174B vs. SR-71. I hope in the 2030 battles we have the Naval NGAD vs. The H-20 in a fleet defense battle.
The newer Chinese naval "stealth" aircraft likely will not be stealthier, since the Chinese have opted to not use baked-in radar absorbing matting and are instead going to rely only on geometry and RAM coatings.
Hey just wondering if it's a resource issue but nearly every US strike group includes an attack Sub. I've never seen you include the sub in these sims, wondering why?
Also keep in mind that the Chinese carrier in DCS is not what they have. It’s a US carrier being used on the red coalition because there’s no actual model of their own. So they’re getting the benefit of having a finished product. The growing pains of learning carrier ops was automatically given to them. When they do get their own carrier it will not be nearly as powerful and they will have their own growing pains learning to use what they have created. Just wanted to point this fact out to everyone. Will it be as good as a US super carrier straight out of the gate? Who knows.
Wouldn't F-35s (or any aircraft) without missiles return to their ships IRL? Your aircraft kill ratio is even more unrealistic if those aircraft hang around once they've fired everything. You may not be able to program that into the AI, so it might be unavoidable.
Yep. I'd think F-35s, B-21s, B-2s, etc come in for the first strike before the enemy knows they're there. Enemy scrambles air force. Meets some F-22s and F-15s, followed by a wave of F-18s. The F-35s return re-armed and ready to bomb any surviving installations without any enemy planes to worry about. Enemy ships also hit first by subs.
Original Shanghai strike vid: czcams.com/video/h3dtaH11EHM/video.html
@@grimreapers I really do enjoy watching your sims, quite fantastic actually. If you knew where I worked you’d be like “wait a minute.” I can tell you, from what I do, that the stuff you do is impressively accurate. Some not so. Ugh, but for the most part, the reason I enjoy watching your stuff is you’re pretty darn close. Keep up the good work, oh, and quit flying like a ‘tard. Watching you guys on or near the ground gives me hives!😂😂😂🖕🏻
Without being nosey into your finances, if finances are indeed a block to a pc upgrade, then why not start a patreon fundraiser to cover the cost of the required components? I'd love to see bigger and better battles, I'd donate £10.
they do have a Patreon, i think you can do one time donation there, or PayPal link in the description too
Here here.
Yeah, being bound by a PC limit is a dangerous position as views are dependent on accurate sims to a degree.
EffMee I just typed out this thing that was overly elaborate and potentially helpful…
Cap… in short hand so I don’t delete this as I almost finish typing it out on my phone… I Effing hate that..
Do a one-timey thing for X upgrade towards Y dream build…
Spend ~10-15 seconds explaining it in the briefing…
Drop us a link in the comments for a true “one-time-donation”…
Report in later briefings how close we are to reaching X upgrade…
Let us have some fun helping you get the build of your dreams!!!
Worst case scenario is I guarantee that “We, the audience” could really enjoy watching these videos as you get the proper build to run it at that scientific level that exists in your mind…!!!
Also, maybe look at using AWC EC2 z1d server for the recorded run. It's a few dollars per hour for the time if you go through hosting like ready-room. This still lets you set it up locally and do your testing, but give you a monster machine for the production run at a fairly low cost.
The Ronald Regan is no longer based in Japan. She returned home to Washington this month for a long overhaul. The new US carrier in Japan is the USS George Washington.
Did she go to PSNS?
Can confirm. Thought I recognized that powdered wig sailing into Sasebo like it was the Potomac. The local Hessians took little notice
I had no idea, thanks!
@@grimreapers It actually has not happened yet, this is a cutting edge change. RRN and GW are both in San Diego right now, doing turnover. Abraham Lincoln is actually the one in 7th Fleet right now!
Nice to see GW back in action, I was lucky enough to get a personal tour with my Navy friend in Norfolk a while back - the Nimitz are just incredible ships.
I love that you are trying to work out time on target attacks now! Its exciting to see how saturation of the missile defense would work. I can imagine by 2027 there would be tons of drone decoys, stealth harm drones and all sorts to make life miserable for missile defence
Yeh, it's REALLY hard to do in the sim and almost impossible to test in a big battle, Pretty much just guess work.
@@grimreapers Is it possible to spawn missiles mid-flight? It'd be tedious to set up but would give you a lot of control over timing. You'd start us en media res with the missiles all in the air, and we'd watch how the defenders get on. PS Thanks for all you do - its always a joy to watch your work
Great battle! We appreciate all the time and effort you put into setting up these simulations. 🙂
So what you're saying is that the US used cyber warfare to take the air defence off in the first run 😂
Or maybe it's due to Chinese corruption😂
Or China quality at work
You guys keep living in your Hollywood land ok??
@@xKensinYTatleast Hollywood slaps… how’s the view from the sweatshop?
You seen Hollywood lately. Gayest thing since gayness.
hope I'm still here when Cap starts his Gen6 scenarios .... or maybe it'll be Cap and Jonathan jr.
As much damage as the 003 took, let’s not forget that the US missiles would be able to acquire new targets en route to deconflict once the primary target has been sunk. That whole harbor would’ve been gone.
I mean in a real scenario the US carrier group wouldn't even get close enough to fire their missiles. China has quite literally thousands of land-based anti-ship ballistic missiles that outrange anything you could put on a carrier.
@@cassius_eu5970 That assumes that the carrier would be by itself, it wouldn't. A typical Carrier Strike Group has 7-9 ships (the composition isn't static, there can be more or less than that). Two or three Arleigh-Burke class DDGs, one or two CGs (like Ticonderoga) one or two SSNs and a supply ship. Assuming a 10 ship CSG, and the most modern version of the ships, the CSH would have upwards of ~400 to 500 air defense missiles, 12-17 CIWS systems, and upwards of 100 to over 200 cruise missiles. None of that to say that China couldn't hit a carrier, but they would have a hard time doing it. The chance of China having all of their anti-ship cruise or ballistic missiles in range of a CSG at all times is slim to none. They may have a lot of missiles, but they have to be in the right place at the right time to matter.
@@Trve_KvltChina has thousands of ballistic anti ship missiles that cover hundreds of miles beyond the range of the entire Chinese coast at all times and also have a very large amount of advanced hypersonic ship to ship and probs tens of thousands more of regular supersonic/subsonic/cruise anti ship missiles. A US Carrier Group simply does not have enough SM 6 capacity to defend, even assuming all interceptors hit which is pretty much impossible.
@@bigbrothersinnerparty297 you are VASTLY overestimating the number of missiles China has that can be brought to bear on a carrier group. By an order of magnitude or two, not to mention you can only hit that you can target, and the electronic warfare of a modern US carrier fleet is the highest in the world
@@Shadowboost I am definitely not. China tests 100-200 ballistic missiles per year, for a country in rapid armament this indicates an absolutely insane number of missiles in production. DF 26 for example already had 300-400 missiles by US Estimates in 2020, likely much higher by now, and its range is 4000km. US EWAS would hinder communication and especially air to air missile tracking, not initial satellite tracking and autonomous missile control and maneuvering. Also I am certain the Chinese will have some measure of EWAS themselves given the Russian EWAS experience in Ukraine or American lent weapons and also have initial anti-EWAS measures. Also initial targeting is most important since Hypersonic missiles are only slightly maneuverable anyways and a short range launch from the Chinese coast is very likely.
Thanks for all these DCS battles. It must be really hard to set up missions if no other channels do it. Thank you sir.
How about adding a Rapid Dragon attack after the initial wave? That would be interesting. But is it available in DCS?
Yes they've done it before I believe it was in a video protecting Taiwan against China
it is available in dcs. they even did a few videos on rapid dragon a year or two ago.
I’m by no means an expert but how about hitting the outlying SAM sites with HARMs first (after the air battle)?
Rapid Dragon Series:
Rapid Dragon & MALD vs Russian Black Sea Fleet: czcams.com/video/sHTGKG1cYec/video.html
Rapid Dragon vs IJN WWII Carrier Group: czcams.com/video/QXONs2voDjE/video.html
Rapid Dragon vs Russian Black Sea Fleet: czcams.com/video/rvUTl6xjxqY/video.html
Rapid Dragon vs Omaha Beach Defenses: czcams.com/video/k4T1WWtVyYk/video.html
Rapid Dragon vs Chinese Invasion Fleet: czcams.com/video/MQ1wrspnL7A/video.html
I forgot they did Rapid Dragon before.
But my point was to add it as a wave to overwhelm the defenses not as a standalone attack. Using a few C-130 dumping 30-40 LRASM FROM 300 miles away and timing them to come in at the same time as the tomahawks.
Chinese aircraft and ships being out numbered in Shanghai is a surprise. Also the air defense is very minimal, especially lacking the chinese C-RAM types
Hard handicap so his audience can enjoy the ego strokes.
Never realised that when something fly near space territory in DCS the lighting actually changes, shadows and lighting become sharper because there is no atmosphere to diffuse the lights rays. Really good attention to details.
And thanks for amazing videos as usual ! It would be so amazing to have back real players inside these massive battles.
I could imagine real players playing stealth as sort of front AWACS and the non stealth would be the AI. Probably would require way too much work to enable this but would love to see it
Actually - what I didn't really notice... this is nearly an hour long.... awesome!! Imagine, the rubbish Disney is giving us for Star Wars is £180m per 30 min episode .... Cap needs more kudos
oof, what I could do with that budget...
@@grimreapers I can get you that budget in monopoly money cap!
Capt, a non disclosure question, you keep saying about your PC / serve is having issues with lack of resources, may I ask where is the shortage? Is it the CPU or RAM ? I would like to help
I suspect all of it. Currently I run AMD5900X 3080 32gb
It feels like the Chinese air wing got a huge head start on what they'd have ready to launch, as well as detection ranges for the oncoming stealth aircraft to trigger the launch of alert aircraft.
Thanks, Cap!
Thanks
Hell Capt, you put a lot or work into this, apricated.
Appreciated*
To be fair, the Chinese sitting idle due to the server issue is on par with their real military response.
Cap, all of these videos are super fun to watch. The one thing that gets me every time though is being limited to carrier launch rates. As far as I know, no Navy has a doctrine of starting an attack with a majority of it's planes still on the deck. In a real engagement, the various aircraft would all be launched prior to the attack (maybe some staging for later units, but certainly all air defense squadrons would be up and grouped in 4-ship) and put in place for a coordinated attack.
Is there a technical reason you don't start aircraft already in the air, and formed up into unified waves? This would enable not only faster sims, but also allow for much easier Time on Target planning since you'd have the entire squadron launching together. You could also start to command squadrons to go to different attack vectors, instead of everyone taking off, and flight in a straight line at the target.
Cap- I think I speak for the Reapers community. If you are willing to do more of these battles and can make them bigger with a better PC: we will all chip in on a gofund me. But we want to see a big battle with the goodies beating the baddies 😅❤
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F-35's in A2A should be sufficient, and much more realistic. Though I could see the US pulling out all of the stops if they thought they needed to sink a carrier and putting F-22's in a strike package as described. One thing I really think though is that out at sea, submarines pose a bigger threat to any carrier group than a mass strike from an opposing carrier group.
The agm158 would be very useful in this scenario. It's stealthy, powerful, carrys anti jammers, and is very hard to detect since it skims over the water.
Regarding your simulations problem, I believe the best and safer approach would split it in 2 parts:
1. Just the aircrafts and their loads. They will have their fights and the surviving aircraft will head to the expected waypoint in order to launch the anti-ground/ship missiles.
+ this would make it less chance to have buggy aircrafts doing non-sense (like the J-16s in the video) and more room for calculation for the air missiles
2. You take the remaining aircrafts and their loads, add all the ships and have them firing at the parameters.
+ now the sim will only have to deal with the missiles coming in and the defenses and there will be a lot less aircrafts flying to calculate/handle, making the defense calculation more accurate as well
-- For the first part of the fight, the ground and sea defenses are just sitting there with a bunch of data in the memory, taking calculation space in the sim but not really adding to the fight until the missiles are very close.
- The same is true for the F/A-18s that are mostly flying to the destination but not really adding to the initial fight.
37:44 the Three Stooges managed to get into F35's and are landing in China.
38:16 evidently Stevie Wonder is flying for China.
Thanks for all the hard work Cap!
Love nerding out on your vids. The algorithm showed me your channel a while back but have not seen it come up recently, subbed now 👍🏼
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Cap . How much does the computer you would need to run the scenarios cost ?
I donated before so if i can help you know i'm good for it .
Not looked into it yet but probably $5k for a top of the range gaming PC these days.
@@grimreapers A bit more expensive than i thought . I could donate half of it if the other members and subscribers could match it . Would be worth it being able to see all the old battles without having to prune the sides to allow it to run .
Many thanks Cap your efforts are very much appreciated.
Nice piece of work on this, Cap.
intro was pretty cool looking 👍
I am surprised by the fact that in these scenarios, you don't use the MALD missile in an offensive role in order to deplete the defender's missile supply, before you start throwing your offensive AS misslies towards the targets. I am not an expert by any means, but it seems to me to be the most sound strategy to overcome the massive amount of Chinese defense missile capability. Maybe that could be a future strategy that would be fruitful for America in this particular scenario.
He did exactly that in the last version of this battle.
That would also be nice to see in naval battles and sounds like a good strategy to deplete US missile defences before the real missiles hit. The US has a ton of missile defence so it would be a good strategy to defeat it.
I used MALD saturation in the previous attempt, wanted something different here.
You didnt even use the Rapid Dragon system with 10 C17's with 5 set for Anti-AA suppression.
17:20 that’s no moon
Thanks cap. Super enjoyed it.
Valued comment section.
..also a cool video.
Love these. Thanks for the content!
I remember China has land based HHQ-9B. Is that true they have not been added to DCS? It seems HQ-22s are quite useless in dealing with multiple target.
Great work, Cap - thanks!
maybe some unholy alliance matches? Kirovs mixed in with Burkes in a CDG CVBG, Type 55s and type 45s in a Ford CVBG, etc.
This would be cool
Great videos man, i enjoy your videos alot. I really can see the effort you put in the videos. 👍👍👍👍 Greetings from Germany
Lol I wass just watching the old video and imagined it with modern stuff
Hey Cap if you run this scenario with USAF instead of US Navy can you add in the strategic bombers?
Yup sure.
Hey Cap, for the USAF version it would be awsome to see the AGM-183, and the SIAW. Maybe some JASSM too. Use the B-21.
Yup I got all of that.
Hey Cap. Are you guys still doing satal competitions? I absolutely loved watching your professional matches. Signore forever!
YES but we did pretty badly this year so we didn't bother making vids.
@grimreapers I'm really sorry to hear that. You guys normally perform pretty darn decently and some of your matches are real nail biters! Love it when your all stars have to resort to guns to get the win!. Is there a channel where your matches were broadcasted?
A lot of work, but a GREAT video in the end.
Well done Cap
I loved the video regardless of the quirks! That's why I love the Grim Reapers!!!!
Its time to build that Threadripper System for all of these DCS fights.
I don’t like to script it for the blues to win. Also, I cannot use half of the weapons and tactics that the blues would use. It seems like you were playing both sides of the fence.
300,000 Feet is 56 miles.
250,000 Feet is 47 miles.
In addition to a technical edge the Americans would probably have more experienced pilots and better doctrine.
Nice 50 MIle high club😮
@grimreapers Hi Cap.
Watching this scenario on the Falklands/South America map gave my an idea for potential scenario.
People say that after the military reductions following the Cold War, the British couldn't perform the Falklands war if it happened today.
How about you test that?
My hypothesis is it's 2030. 4 months ago the Argentinian's performed a surprise attack on RAF Mount Pleasant and managed to take control of the island.
The British response is to retake the Falklands, but the 4 month delay was caused by politicians trying to decide whether it was worth the cost... but now the 'Falklands War II' is about to begin!
The Argentinians have not been idle in that 4 months!
The runways are repaired, air defences have been installed, and a secondary airbase is in place at Stanley.
Their primary air-to-air aircraft are the 24x F-16AM's that were obtained in recent years. Three were lost by Typhoon/SAM's during the surprise invasion, leaving just 21 left.
However, the economic collapse of Venezuela has resulted in that country selling their F-16's to Argentina, bringing another 13 fighter aircraft into the mix... for a total of 34x F-16's!
A dozen A-4AR Fightinghawks (Skyhawks) have been taken out of mothballs, given a rushed overhaul to get them activated... and have 1980's AIM 9 Sidewinder for a secondary air-to-air role.
Argentina also has two EC-21A (Learjet 35) in the ELINT/Electronic Warefare role.
At Stanley, the Argentinians have 15x IA-63 Pampa III in the ground attack role. These could be used to attack any Royal Navy ships with Mk81/Mk82 bombs.
For the British, it all comes down to a single aircraft carrier, the Prince of Wales. The Queen Elizabeth is unavailable due to a another fault (highly embarrasing for politicians and the Royal Navy!).
The Prince of Wales only has 20x F-35B's available.
The carrier could take 40 aircraft, but a ground offensive requires Chinook, Apache, Merlin and Wildcat helicopters.
The RAF also has a pair of E7A Wedgetail in the AWACS role, an RC135W Rivet Joint in SIGINT role, and four P-8 Poseidon in the anti-ship role... these are operating out of RAF Ascension with A330MRTT Voyager tankers to keep a 24 hour observation and ASW protection for the British taskforce.
I'll leave it up to you to decide each countries naval assets for this scenario.
What I think would make things interesting is how the Argentinians have the home-field advantage, including the fuel to maintain combat air patrols and attack any British aircraft approaching the Falklands.
However, they are flying early 4th generation fighters.
On the other hand, the British have limited fighters available, but are stealthy 5th Generation, plus better ISTAR (Intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance) assets, including satellite coverage.
Hope you accept this mission... and have fun!!
41:40 312,000 ft (59 mi/95 km) "in space"... _Technically_ whether you're "in space" or not depends on the definition you're using. The Karman line is at 65 mi/100 km so by that definition you ARE NOT in space. For the USAF space begins at 50 mi/80 km so you ARE in space.
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if the airforce was included it would have gone even worse for china especially if there were enough aircraft to run seed missions
Space starts at something named the Karman line, which is 100 km altitude, or 62 miles... per wikipedia.
Sweet battle. My fantasy would be to go back in time and show this to Lord Nelson. Then video the look on his face.
A fire problem requires a fire solution 🧐
What is your server hardware? How much do you want to spend on the upgrade? (whatever it is, double it!)
Currently have AMD5900X 3080 32gb
34:01 That pilot must have a cast-iron stomach.
well it seems like HQ22 might be broken in DCS. maybe give them land based HQ9s next time.
It took me AGES to just get them working that well.
@@grimreapers wow is it really that bad? I think pac 3 did much better in similar scenarios
the J15s would probably have done much better if they were kept all the way back and used as missile defense, knowing that planes in DCS can target missiles now.
China would have no doubt sent in an anti-ship bomber wing to sink the US carrier group when they were still 1000 miles away, meaning the only way this would happen would be as part of a preemptive/first strike. China has 10 different air bases in its Eastern Theater, all of which would be in range to participate in this battle, plus a few other air bases in its Central Theater. These have plenty of J-11 and J-10 fighters that could participate in this battle, probably ~300 aircraft in total, counting the J-16s and J-20s. The J-16 is also far more advanced than the J-15 here, as it has an AESA radar and more efficient engines. The HQ-22 would also be better in real life, able to shoot down AIM-174 and Mako, as it's basically meant to be an equivalent to the S-400. Also, I'm pretty sure the F/A-18 can only carry 2 AIM-174s in real life because of how heavy they are. Lastly, China would have plenty of destroyers, submarines, and other naval assets surrounding the carrier group if they entered the East China Sea like they did here, ready to fire AShMs and torpedoes at a moment's notice, as well as land-based ASBMs prepared to launch in advance specifically for this scenario.
I've actually just filmed this follow up!
@@grimreapers Awesome
You know you could have added DF17 type missiles since it's mainland China....!
Me: reads the title
Also me: Why is the 7th fleet in Shanghai harbour..?
Reagan is returning to the US to get it's mid life refit, Washington is heading back to Japan.
Day 26 of asking Cap to bring humans back to carrier battles
*Day 27
The keystone class planetary leveler should do
hq10s just aren’t gonna stop a sm-6 coming in at hypersonic speed, the momentum will continue even after the interception and hit the target. And the ciws on 055 is over modeled as well.
The game very much relies on the publicly stated capabilities rather than the real life demonstrated capability. Like how S-300 is an effective air defence system in DCS while in reality it's proven to be a bit of a damp squid.
Would it make sense for at the end of these large battles for some anti-ship missiles to target the other combatant ships? As they will be out of missile, might as well take them out along with the enemy carrier. More bang for the bucks.
Could the UK have targeted the ARA Veinticinco de Mayo during the Falklands War using Harriers whilst in port? Also, would any of the battles during the war be any different if the Royal Navy kept the Phantom FG.1 fleet as well as (or instead of) the Harrier FRS.1 fleet?
The Franklin's have been done way too many times to where it's lost its appeal.
@@antarashnia84 Surely that's a matter of opinion rather than a statement of fact?
I thought we tried that one?
@@grimreapers Maybe I've missed it!
When a PC is bought like a pre-built, they all will come with the Hard-Drive as the "Boot Device", if you change this to your NVMe SSD instead of your Hard Drive every game you load will load 10x faster, this makes loading times a lot quicker. All you really would need after that is more DDR4 or DDR5 whichever RAM you have currently. But just swapping the Boot Drive to your NVMe SSD will speed this PC up 10-fold. Buying RAM cards is a lot cheaper than buying another pre-built whenever PC can be modified as good as the Newest PC's with just re-organizing the Boot Device. NOTE: Do Not go buy a SATA SSD without buying the cable as well. If you just change your Hard Drive (HDD) or an SSD the cable will bottle neck your drive right off the bat and nothing will change. The reason why the NVMe SSD is the best, because it's on the Mother Board itself and bypasses the cable altogether.
I would think if the US Air Force is added B 52's launching AGM-86 CALCM missiles is very likely.
I know the Buffs land in Okinawa all the time. In fact there is a story out there where one was on the tarmac with it's bomb bay open because of the heat when a nuclear weapon fell out of the aircraft onto the tarmac scaring the heck out of the airfield.
Love the videos, long time viewer. I have seen the Peregrine in multiple videos recently, but I am confused because as far as I know, Peregrine has been cancelled. You can't find the page on Raytheon's website, and there has been no recent information. Do you have some reason to believe they are continuing with the Peregrine missile and plan to move it into service?
I'm honestly not sure what's going on with it in real life.
Some divers with a couple mines can do it cheaper.
LOL yes indeed.
US carrier strike group at Jutland when?
hey cap, once you got your computer all up and beyond spec, i have an idea on how do this video as originally requested: to even out the massive US attack, the Chinese figure out it's coming, and set a trap. the ships are still in harbor, but are fully active, with a few extra air defense ground units moved into place around the harbor. is any of this realistic? ofc not. what's the fun of realism?
Love how you guys make up the situation that would the US starting ww3.
How about this battle then, the Chinese retaliation strike on a weapons depleted 7th fleet, which might include a fleet nuclear strike due to the assault on Chinese mainland
how can 7the fleet survive Chinese anti ship missile mainly from ground and from aircraft in the first place? do they teleport the Shanghai?
SM-6 vs J-15 = Pink Mist, I don't think the AIM-260 is modeled accurately in game. It's got a lot of processing power and Data-link, and the F-35s can link in the SM-6 even against the J-20.
The AIM-260 has a multi-mode seeker from what little we know. It's very unlikely a notch would be effective at all.
I could see how this might be quite challenging, but have you ever considered restricting the CAG's munitions load-outs to the actual capacity of the ship's magazine? In this scenario here, those 48x AIM-174s and 48x LRASMs, along with all the other loaded ordnance, might not fit on the ship. Great work, BTW...cheers.
Everyone talks about Carrier Killers. Except the only ones that matter are called BOATS AKA SSNs ! Only ones that matter.
Could the AGM-141, made a difference in the attack? Since Ukraine are using the decoy missiles to bleed of Russia air defense before a strike
Cap dose the IAds script work on ships? If so might get them working as layered air defence over targeting independently and doubling or more up 🤔 just a thought
love the work just remeber f35 not j35b
My old ship, the Lincoln (CVN-72), is over in the Middle East right now with F-35Cs on board. I remember when the F/A-18Es were the "new kid"!! 😂
I have an idea for a scenario, Cap. Shipboard SM-6 and airborne AIM-174B vs. SR-71.
I hope in the 2030 battles we have the Naval NGAD vs. The H-20 in a fleet defense battle.
Thanks.
The newer Chinese naval "stealth" aircraft likely will not be stealthier, since the Chinese have opted to not use baked-in radar absorbing matting and are instead going to rely only on geometry and RAM coatings.
There is no way anything made in China would work that well....
Check out tofu China.
funny! where are those DF series and YJ series?
Even think that Chinese missiles have 100% kill ratio is out of this world
How come submarine assets aren't used? Wouldn't they realistically be used in such an operation??
They don't work very well in DCS
Hey just wondering if it's a resource issue but nearly every US strike group includes an attack Sub. I've never seen you include the sub in these sims, wondering why?
Look at Cap with the sexy intro.
Also keep in mind that the Chinese carrier in DCS is not what they have. It’s a US carrier being used on the red coalition because there’s no actual model of their own. So they’re getting the benefit of having a finished product. The growing pains of learning carrier ops was automatically given to them. When they do get their own carrier it will not be nearly as powerful and they will have their own growing pains learning to use what they have created. Just wanted to point this fact out to everyone. Will it be as good as a US super carrier straight out of the gate? Who knows.
It's the Forrestal CV-59 (Forest Fire). 😂
Is it possible the HQ batteries were overwhelmed with the amount of missiles within their range and that's why they didn't fire?
I’m sure their carrier performs way better than their fake Iphones.
Hey Cap, I guess the EW nd the HQ22 radars were pointing wrong direction, towards the land 😅
Wouldn't F-35s (or any aircraft) without missiles return to their ships IRL? Your aircraft kill ratio is even more unrealistic if those aircraft hang around once they've fired everything. You may not be able to program that into the AI, so it might be unavoidable.
Yep. I'd think F-35s, B-21s, B-2s, etc come in for the first strike before the enemy knows they're there. Enemy scrambles air force. Meets some F-22s and F-15s, followed by a wave of F-18s. The F-35s return re-armed and ready to bomb any surviving installations without any enemy planes to worry about. Enemy ships also hit first by subs.
ANYONE??? Ive got to get this game, but I have a yoke, pedals, and throttle for small planes, will that still work with DCS?