Before and After: Z06 Track Test with Bolt-On Upgrades - Detroit Muscle S7, E5
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- Adding more Stop and Go to our C5 Corvette Z06 for the track. Taking our Z06 to the Corvette proving grounds, now it can handle the track to strut its stuff! #z06 #corvette
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Continental Tire: Continental ExtremeContact Sport - 295/35ZR18, 275/40ZR17
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Covercraft: Form-Fit Car Cover
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EBC Brakes: Slotted Rotors and Yellow Stuff Pads
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Holley: Earl's Performance Plumbing Oil Cooler - Part No. LS0013ERL
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NCM Insurance Agency: Collector Car Insurance
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The Industrial Depot: 376586732 Tools, Hardware, and Shop Supplies
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Vesta Motorsports USA Inc.: SFI-1 Chevron Driving Suit
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RideTech: Adjustable shocks, sway bars, bushings - Part No. 11510101
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NCM Motorsports Park: Track - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Seeing the C5 platform still have so much interest 25 years after it was designed really puts a smile on my face. So much fun and value even without the Z06 model.
I would love to have a car like this. However I'm just not built for these. As big as a Corvette is there isn't a lot of room inside. Guess my Silverado will have to do.
@@bmstylee I’m 6foot6 and fit in my C6 just fine. With loads of storage room to be honest. Not as bad as one might think
@@MasterPotSmith420 I mean I can get in but it's tight. It's not something I would want to drive for hours at a time.
I wanna see the difference between a stock c5 Z and a c6 Z (same tires) and then how the upgraded c5 compares.
@Ryan 9638 I would agree with the early c6 z06s, but the later ones would probably be a little more because of the suspension, brakes etc...
@Ryan 9638 ya for sure!
i bet the heads cam c5z does damn near just as good as stock c6z both making like 500 crank and the c5 with the handling upgrades are a mystery against the the c6
What do you want to know I own both cars
@JDeubel well I just wanted to see the difference the upgrades made vs a stock c5z and how it compared on the track to a stock c6z.
The 2 videos you have on this Corvette has convinced me this is what i want when i have my garage in a few years. As always you two are amazing,
as a C5 vett owner myself id suggest you spend some time on the internet learning about all the bugs the C5 has b4 you decide a C5 is what you want and make sure youre ok with having to fix most of the bugs
Heero yuy C4 FTW
@@wetalk6141 ya no,even with all the bugs id take my c5 over any c4
@@wetalk6141 c4 has a lot of issues with electronics. Like the digital dash.
Good to see you working on a high-end sports car instead of the usual bench seat rust bucket.
20:46 Best audio of the whole video
I just bought a 2003 z06 this is perfect timing
Congrats! Love mine. Millennium Yellow with 17k on it. Looks good sitting next to my matching C6Z & C7Z :) Z06 or Nothin'!
what did you pay for it?
Perfect timing.. but I wouldn't follow what these guys did. You can spend a lot less and have a much better track weapon with completely different setup
@@kayvonmansouri 15,700 + ttl. already had long tubes, x pipe, and CAI
@@GusTx281 Have you changed out those valve springs yet?
The oil cooler is upside down. Ports at the bottom will trap air in the cooler! When the ports are on the same side of the cooler, the ports should be at the top, or on either side with the feed line at the bottom. This ensures the cooler is completely full of oil for maximum efficiency. 🤓
It completely depends how it was installed. If it was full of oil when installed then it'll stay full but if it had an air bump yeah it's trapped there.
Amazing job with that Corvette gentleman. You all are inspiring me to dream about building one of these myself. Thank you.
14:38 uses bolt cutters to leave an even longer tab to rip your arm on.
Just got a 99 FRC with z06 engine parts..Damn thing is way better than I thought it would be.
Got my 99 2 years ago...still daily it and love it.
Thanks for the videos! I just bought a C5 Z06 for a track car and your video help a lot.
From this corvette fan, please continue to make videos involving this car!!
Loved my trip to the NCM. Got to take the family there back in 2011. We only lived an hour away...
14:40 The hoses on the bottom of the oil cooler have me nervous about dips and bumps in the road. Can you confirm they're out of the way enough for that inevitable bottom scratching dip we all don't expect? Great video! It was cool to see the whole transmission section out of the car
11:20 Dude forget the bushings, replace that balljoint first
Ferdi G. Saw that thing flopping around....
Haha facts man facts
I would be much more concerned if it didn't move freely.
@@Smokey-88 it's a bit too much in the video :) they usually like to have a bit of preload and honestly he already had the entire sub frame down I would have just gone ahead and swap them out for new ones...
@@Smokey-88 they are supposed to be tight? Have you never felt how tight new ones are?
Great video and the right approach to upgrading a classic car with its focus on going around corners
those car are so cheap but perform super good.Anyone who has a regular job 8-5 monday to friday can afford one and its one of the best bang for your bucks.
I love this show keep up the great work 💯👍
Great show guys as always!
20:40 thanx for the Raw sound clip!
Great work! Needs more talk of alignment and better seat/ steering wheel.
I've been looking for a c5 and this gives me more reason !! . I thought this might be an old video but it was uploaded yesterday wow !!!! THANK YOU
Very entertaining! Thank you both. Waiting, impatiently I might add, on my Torch Red 2003 to be delivered. Hopefully four or five days..... Trucking shortage is an issue.
The best mod you can do for C5 is coilovers sway bars and polyurethane bushings c6 Z06 brakes you will be able to handle with pretty much any car out there including high-end Porsches new zo6s you name it
While your not wrong, coil overs are expensive and polyurethane bushings can be noisy on a street car…but maybe they’ve gotten better over the last ten years from when I did my build.
The C5 the American dream
I love the build, but I think it would've helped to just see the tires first and then all the suspension parts added
I've been to the Corvette museum before and man it was a blast.
I was there myself, just a couple years before the hole.
loved this build, great car
Great episode, keep it up!
If you’re a true American you gotta love a corvette I’m a ford guy but I still love them I want a c6 z06 one day
True it’s the consistent American sports car. I’m sort of a Chevy guy but I have 2 mustangs and a cammed c6. I’ve learned to appreciate what’s good.
Man, these guys are living the dream.
The best car and engine show
Biggest thing on a C5Z setup for track use...tons of added cooling. My god do they get hot. Oil, Trans, Diff. Better Brakes, Tires, and Coilovers would be next.
Its because its a bottom feeder and has nowhere to vent the air out. Hood vents solve a lot of cooling issues and create less lift. But for sure a dedicated racecar would need all those things. Every race C5 has hood vents for a reason.
@@CrossWindsPat Late to the party, so everybody's probably gone home. But , I got my hood louvers finished this week. going to add wing, see if it's less squirrelly into turn 1 ant 140+. these guys got me excited for my old car.
@@CrossWindsPat That's not true, the engine air vents out at the side right in front of the doors. Go put your leg next to one of the vents on a stock C5 during summer when the fans kick on. The first time it happened to me I was so confused why my leg was suddenly getting super hot standing next to the car until the fan kicked off and I suddenly realized where the hot air was coming from. Most people with overheating problems have super dirty radiators from driving through tons of fall leaves and other crap and it getting blown up into the radiator and never being cleaned. Hood vents don't hurt on any track driven car, but it's not a trapped system in stock form.
@@nunyabusiness896 My friend those vents are purely aesthetic. stick your hand in there they lead to nothing. In fact there is a company that sells a kit that makes them functional and allows the high pressure built up in the wheel well to escape.
there might be a little bit of air coming out from the bay but certainly not by design or enough to affect the overall cooling. Here is a video of the install.
czcams.com/video/a-EbA3B6mKk/video.html
@@CrossWindsPat Maybe those are installed on my car because the heat was sure as hell blasting out of them on my car.
Great vid. A little bonus I picked up from this is how I would look like sitting in a Z06 going full throttle. Thanks Matt for representing the Chubby Gearhead Community.
These guys have done all the mods I want to. Damn I need money.
That sinkhole is now part of Corvette history.
Good job guys, good times!
Hooked on this series now
Great video. Est one yet for me since I’m a huge vette fan.
..And now that we didn't show you the most important part, lets get back to something not important.
Should have gone over removal of the torque tube vs the museum footage.
Cleetus McFarland, they've done it at least 10 times on there channel if your actually looking for an instructional video
Did you mistake this for DIY guidance?
what a dream build!
No two visits to the Corvette Museum are the same. Sometimes there's a massive sinkhole! Haha, damn, it's a feature now. That place was the one highlight of my 12hr Kansas to East coast road trips. (Sometimes in a '77.) That was long before the track existed, but the assembly line tour across the street was cool!
Man that sounds great
Had a 2003 Z06 with a Texas speed 383 stroker kit and all the other supporting mods you could do was a little over 500 at the wheels which is great power for a C5 Z06 N/A had to be somewhere around 600 at the crank was a fun car sold it and got a C7 GS I kinda miss my C5 😢
Great video.
nice progress
This is my home track. I really enjoyed this build video but it would have been more informative if an experienced driver like Matt did the before and after. The 2:43 that was clocked in the before test is at a minimum at least 20 seconds off the pace of what that car should run with even an intermediate level driver.
Agree. Completly stock Camaro SS 1LE with a good driver runs ~2:17 in comparison.
While valid points , this is speaking volumes to a above average DIY guy, who’s looking to buy a vette and do this exact thing .
Most of the time , a guy who works a regular job , and builds cars in his spare time isn’t going to be an expert driver .
This says anyone can buy a stock corvette , throw these parts on, and do this . That’s all.
Shifter feels like a pudding cup. Relatable lol.
Great episode. Mark knows his Vettes - spot on advice & very smooth driving while talking
This c5z is just perfect with those mods
Nice!
Please do a 98-02 ws6 build and make it a track monster
@@thomasdaddio741 and an absolutely beautiful car, too. Got to check one out at the dealer back in 02 when my old Grand Am was in for a warranty job.
If they're making a "track monster" out of it chances are they'll ditch every part of the WS6 package except the hood. No point looking specificly for a WS6 just for something as easy to change as a hood.
@@thomasdaddio741 WS6 on LS 4th gens is wheels, springs, shocks, sway bars, performance rear gears with an LSD, and the ram air hood and lower air box. The springs, shocks, sway bars, and wheels are going to be gone along with the 10 bolt if it's a monster. All that's left is the hood and lower air box. And the lower air box isn't really anything special, just a bit taller.
should have turned down the 4 leaf bolts front and rear and lower the car 1 inch . That would have helped out. Favorite youtube channel for sure.
In order to not ruin those nice pads and rotors it would be a good tech tip to lube the caliper slide bolts.
Michael Lynn Tingle if you don’t mind explaining more? Thanx in advance
Im sure they know what they’re doing, do you really expect them to show every step of working on the car? There’s not enough time. Think about how long they’ve been working on cars, they drop a transaxle, do a clutch, I think they know how to do a brake job
@@AbundancePlus the pins or bolts depending on the application is supposed to be lubed. Silglyde or a permatex purple synthetic caliper bolt lubricants work well.
If they aren't lubed then the caliper does not float properly when applying the brakes. This can lead to uneven pad wear, sticking calipers or prevent proper pad engagement
They probably did, but that's a standard tip that all cars should have done. They're giving vehicle-specific advice so it's not a 52 hour long play by play how-to.
@@connor3288Quit bitching and moaning.
I've seen the rod at 4:52 at a community car show here were I live in Lindon, UT. Random.
That place is cool. When you buy your new vet you pick it up there at the museum. Oh and check out the sink hole that ate several cars.
The c5 is absolutely slept on ls1 that makes 350 throw a aftermarket fuel pump tube it on 91 cam it and throw some boost or spray and it’s a fun 600-800hp
You would want to place in brackets in the oil pan to prevent from oil starvation on the track.
Need to post the original air date in the description.
This is a 2020 season so about a month ago!
Yeah date & episode
Please post original air dates on all uploads. Even tho all episodes do have the copyright date with the 'fine print' at the end...
maybe they added it after you posted your comment but in the title it says "Detroit Muscle S7, E5"
I would like to see some hyperlinks above to the other PowerNation videos for this C5 Corvette Z06
You guys are all over I can't seem to get any of new episodes except for I purchased your Web streaming so I see all the old ones as they come in how come you're not on Sunday on power bloc or power nation
I realize Hurst is sponsoring the video, but a TMODcustoms shifter box will feel better with a stock shifter than that Hurst unit on a stock shifter box. And it sure would have been nice to see how the stock temp sensor went into the oil manifold.
The pro 5.0 is better than the hurst to. They weren’t great by any means.
C7 Z06's run 2:32's-2:34's out there by amateur drivers, as documented in my road course times thread on Corvette forums. That shows, that even with the deficit of hp to the C7Z, the C5Z, due to its low weight, and same overall architecture to the C7...there is no better track day car for the money, to go out and kill the track. I do a bunch of videos on Corvettes, driving techniques and other GM stuff on my channel, check it out!
I love my Conti's :D
Ouch. All that work and they left it looking like a project for "Xtreme 4x4". Having owned a 2003 Z06 for 11 years they have got to lower that thing. Just an inch all the way around makes a huge difference in looks and handling.
You can lower the car for free and improve the handling/body roll drastically. Completely remove the front bolts and just let the mono leaf sit on the lower control arm and put lock locktite on the rear and run it all the way out, or stick a longer bolt in it. Also the tires you chose absolutely suck for corner grip, great straight line and braking but wet or dry mid corner grip on the continentals is horrendous.
Thats what they got for free from their sponsors....so thats what they use!
Agree with @behndthewheel on the tire choice but understand sponsorship too. Because of the staggered sizes, I can no longer buy the same brand and model tire front to back. 😞
140 F sounds little too cool for the oil. On a stock car it likes to hover around 220 F when fully warmed up, which is just hot enough to boil out moisture from the oil. I'd worry that not getting it hot enough is not only going to have it at suboptimal viscosity (too thick) but also not doing it's job properly due to moisture. Probably going to have to change the oil a lot more if you can't keep it hot enough to boil moisture out of it. Synthetic is good up to like 450 F and sometimes even higher, so 220 F is nothing, just wanted to add that in case some guy with 1970's oil info wants to run in and start freaking out about the oil running too hot.
Appreciate the info
Ruby for corners!
the mgw shifter is best one
No mention of tire pressure which is very important as well as the actual suspension set up, having been involved in different forms of motor racing here in Australia for 40 years putting some bushes and shocks on although they help the other is what makes the car handle
Made for TV...that's what you get. I'm sure the producers already thought the content was "too technical" as it was.
@@kevin9c1 Yeah, this is ultimately a sponsored show to sell car parts. Gotta keep people buying stuff to be faster instead of doing things like improving as a driver or fine tuning what you've got.
I’ve found about 35 psi for my ZO6 wheels gave even tire temperatures across the tread.
cool
Nice work on the 'vette, but honestly first upgrade should have been driver mod.
What is that green (hard line) brake clamp???
Give us a 4.3 engine build
Just throw it in the trash where it belongs.
Link the Duelist yep
what car lift are these guys using?
People say they have valve spring issues?
Fasterproms has thier own C5 Vette. And they removed the thing in the centre of the bumper that says corvette on it. To allow more cold air to get to the filter. Have you guys considered that. (I might use some different words to you since I'm from South africa but I'm sure you you can work out what I mean)
Fasterproms does not have a C5
A Vararam filter setup is the best cold air (CAI) you can get since it pulls from the front bumper and not heated air from under the hood.
Needs a spoiler for some added down force. Nothing crazy !
0:58 Matt Busby Dig It!
Who makes Matt's front splitter???
I heard that GM basically stopped making replacement parts for the C5 after the 2008 market crash. Is that true? I see so many 1997-2004 Vettes for cheap! Maybe that's why?
Companies have to offer parts for a certain number of years after production stops. Plenty of aftermarket options are out there to keep Corvettes on the road.
Also, Chevy would rather you come buy a new Corvette than keep fixing your older one. They are in the business of selling cars, after all.
There are certain parts for 97 to 00 models that are hard to find or really expensive... you are still fine buying a later model C5 2001-2004
Don't worry at all. It's a Corvette, the second GM parts stop being made and run out, aftermarket companies tool up, especially for commonly worn due to age things like weather stripping, bushings, etc. You can still get brand new parts for 1950's Vettes and everything all the way up. For more "durable" parts that don't really go bad from age, there are tons of parts warehouses that specialize in stockpiling good parts from wrecked cars and more get wrecked every day. Probably until there are no C5s left there will be enough parts to go around to the remaining cars, either via reproduction parts or good condition used parts. The only things unlikely to be remade are some of the computers, but most really shouldn't go bad just like even 80's computers are still kicking around. There is some concern over the ABS/Traction Control module (EBCM), but the earlier ones don't fail often and the later ones can be repaired for the most common failure (solder joints failing due to lack of epoxy potting the earlier EBCMs had). All in all, for any car that's not within about 10 years of age, you'll have a much easier time finding C5 parts.
underbody plate and titanium parts ^^
why no coilovers?
Blowing a lot of smoke !! Yikes!!
The C6Z is a 1000% improvement over the C5Z. The geometry is better, but the weight savings from the aluminum frame, magnesium and carbon fiber are HUGE upgrades. Bigger stock brakes too!
Ehh, the c5 z06 notchback has a greater torsional rigidity at the cost of a little more weight, the FRC increased drag by 6 percent but reduced lift by 20 percent, weights very similar, similar geometry. The biggest improvement on the C6 was the engine, drivetrain, and brakes.
The C6 Z06 was also about $20k more expensive, that's a lot of money for another 100 hp. It also wasn't any lighter despite all of the exotic materials, both the C5 and C6 Z06 are about 3150 lbs, give or take depending on how much gas is in the tank. Aluminum frames are also easy to total, they can't be straightened after an accident like steel frames, ask any Lotus Elise owner how much that sucks. So one minor fender bender might throw your whole $70k car in the trash, no thanks.
You could make the C5 Z06 run circles around the C6 Z06 for a whole lot less than $20k, and it probably wouldn't be too far off even before modding outside of long straights where you can use all of the power without just spinning the tires.
You guys couldn’t pick a better day to track the car
Nice job but Itou did a lot of work on it
After you go around a track .. you should get better every round unless the car gets hot and parts degrade... .. .. good tho.
For reference here is a 2:19 lap with a relatively stock Camaro ZL1 on 200 TW tires. I think the 300 TW Continentals are a marginal track tire. czcams.com/video/3jUcSKE7nyQ/video.html
650hp ZL1 vs 405hp Z06 it's big difference on dry surface.
Am I missing something? Where are the springs on these cars?
It has a sideways leaf spring in the front and rear.
How much for all the upgrades?
25k +
Should ditched those transverse leaf springs front and rear for a coil over suspension system.
The transverse leafs actually do amazing. Most coilover swaps don't really improve times that much.
@@Viper3048 Tell that to the pratt & miller race team obviously
they dont use transverse leaf springs in their C8 R,s
@@terrybaptist795 lol, I don't think cutting lap times and the money required to mimic P&M are on the minds of weekend warriors with their C5's.
I am entitled to my own opinion. There is nothing you can say or do
that will change that.
@@terrybaptist795 Of course. You are allowed to have all the wrong opinions you want!
I recently purchased a mid-millage, 100% stock 2004 Z06. I have tracked the car a few times and so far she has been rock solid. It would be nice to go to the next level. I wonder what would be a “real world” cost estimate of all these upgrades including parts and labor since I have ZERO mechanical skills or access to tools annd a garage with a lift.
I would budget about 10.000 to do.the upgrades ...
Just get a Vararam intake, piping to connect the front brake ducts to the front brakes, track brake pads, and high temperature DOT 4 brake fluid. And maybe some tires.
That’s like $500 in parts (plus the tires) and you can run the car all day.
Ensure you don’t have grass and road debris stuck on your radiator too.
I noticed they went up in front tire size...is it better that way?
Stock C5 Z05 tire size is getting hard to find. Most of us +1 the size to get more choices and lower costs
@@wydopnthrtl thanks hopefully it dosent ride like shit.
@@danielbudimir8519 I went with Nitto 555 G2 and like them a lot. Ride is a touch softer w/the taller sidewalls but I like them a lot.
@@wydopnthrtl what are the sizes front and back
@@danielbudimir8519 I have a thread at Corvette Forum. Can't post the link.. so go to C5 General and search for a thread labeled "[Z06] 275/40-17 - 295/40-18 Tire experience"
You forgot Swaybars!!!
Funny how some of the links are worthless
You never said what injectors were used.
“Museham”
Everything but
Balancer
That corvette was plowing in the corners like a tractor. The front end is pushing hard ( understeer) a good alignment setup would have made a bigger difference.
I'm glad you could tell that from a few flyby clips... even a stock C5 doesn't "plow in the corners like a tractor"
Realized that aswell. Definite understeer
@@Viper3048 yes they do. I went with bigger sway bars and same size tired all around to get a more neutral feel. Loose is fast
Depending on which clip you are referring to, don't forget the final drive was on a wet track. Wet tracks are basically worthless for benchmarking as you can't keep tires up to temp and traction is much lower. I'm surprised they were faster at all in those conditions, I feel like they just faked it because the schedule/budget didn't allow them to come back on a dry day.
All of that said, square setup is what most people do to make the handling more neutral. The stock tire stagger makes the rears wider so grandpa doesn't spin out and instead just understeers a little if he comes in to a corner too hot. A lot of really fast cars come with a staggered setup for understeer and are fastest after upgrading to a square setup.
@@Viper3048 depends on alignment angles and how 'spirited' it is driven.