The War on Terror Was the Right Response to 9/11
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Filmed at Cadogan Hall on 6th September 2011.
Speakers for the motion: Colleen Graffy, Pervez Musharraf
Speakers against the motion: Sir Jeremy Greenstock, Bernard Kouchner
Chair: Zeinab Badawi
Everyone came here for this part 39:00
Thank for mentioning that particular duration actually i have come here just to watch the exact words by Musharraf
@@sohailsaan2052 lol i knew
Ji was looking this thnk u so much.
I just came here for this taste.😂😂
@@genhammedgull8594 hahah
Yeah bro😄😄
Messing with General Musharraf isn't easy bro
Its more easier than you think. you need to connect with the right people.
@@vixwaqascool143 then show this with proof
@@asfandyarfarooq1102 go to my profile you will find all the proof that you want. find Waqas Bashir APML in facebook.
True can't mess with an idiot who messed up the country
@@vixwaqascool143 another indian sh++! here, bro, its not bollywood, wake up to reality
39:31 😂😂😂 one second fame for the dude. Musharraf’s great response dried his throat🤣🤣🤣
No messing with Musharraf 💪👊
Hahaha level
Best answer
Certainly he did make him look like a fool. It was a perfect response from Gen Misharaf.
39:54 he realized he messed up with a wrong guy😂😂
He also messed with wrong ppl in kargil war and made pakistani army to surrender 😂😂😂😂 .
@@sachinreddybappa1273 tea was fantastic
@@arsalmunir7483 Lol man!!! Love ya!!!
@@sachinreddybappa1273 Tea was fantastic gandu abhinandan🤣🤣
@@sachinreddybappa1273 Your indian army surrendered in Kargil fool
The lion pervaiz musharraf nailed it in the end 😎😎
now today reply what was ended in the nailed
Arvez Parvez
Parvez Musharaf was one of the finest Pakistani warrior, also a true Patriot .Sir your services will always be remembered whatever you did you did it for the Nation. We remember the rise of economy despite of all those hardships you faced. I would't forget to mention that the nation has realized what you were doing for them. We wish you good health
Fine warrior left behind 300+ in kargil and many more even before that war🌝🤌🌚
ek din marjayega wo kuttey ki maut .. sarey kuttey bolengey .. mar gya madarchod!
Musharraf was a cowards and a sellout.
Arvez Parvez
Musharf i m watchong your video today again. When our moron judges decided to sentence you ........ . You are our Hero. We wont allow this. Pakistani public stand with you
he was a true leader yes but he let America to get in Pakistan that was his worst decision
@@hustler4386 at that time if he do not allow them. Pakistan may face more destructive Pakistan by there forces. We should admit they are super powers. Today we are not allowing them to enter in Pakistan because these American already made mistakes and they are no more able now to pressurize Pakistan. Today and 20 years ago in musharf time there is big political difference and pakistan situation. At that time Pakistan was not able to deney them. One should not deney that musharaf was little brave. It was just geopolitics and pakistan was pressurized by whole world if Pakistan deney at that time we may face huge sanctions and American involment in Pakistan more than they did.
@@user-oz6dt5zi1m i agree but we shouldn't deny the truth that because of the us invasion our economy was crippled thousands of people dead .
look at iran they have sanctions but did that stop them from achieving there goals .
anyways i get what u are saying but Musharraf let our land to be used for Zionist cause and that is a fact
also we are Muslims we shouldn't be afraid of super powers
look at taliban they had nothing still defeated super power
@@hustler4386 there is no doubt we destroyed in there war our country. But i m surely say that we will rebuild our country and economy and they won't have any excuse to make us in sanctions. May be musharaf was thinking that this war will be not more than few years and we will get out of this. But this war destroyed us as long as it speads. Iran is facing sanctions since 40 years . It depends on you . You destroy your public by poorty or by doing war or by doing compromise with others. If we face sanctions from 20 years same economy and poorty result we will have . Sanctions may go longer as irans have since 40 years. If you have three choice. Kill your public of poverty by sanctions on you, kill your economy and enlarge poverty, or compromise with them to take part in our war to eradicate terrorism and have some Aid . You would definitely think to save your country from sanction and destroyed economy and will help that super power. It is another topic that they give little aid or cheat us but you will not allow you people to destroy them by poverty. May be at that time musharaf stand with them because of such prblms but it not worked for him as he thinked. Iran is facing 40 years sanctions and our 1 rupee is equal to 580 irani curruncy. Now think about the sanctions and there consequences.
@@user-oz6dt5zi1m yeah ok i understand
Tried to make fun of musharaff but musharaff reversed it ..... And I can see it frm his face reaction....
Arvez Parvez
39:35 TO 40:15 AWESOME MAN
Absolutely correct 👍 . This is the best reply ever. And such a shame for other Muslim countries leaders who don't have balls to reply like this.
Gand phar di Goray ki .... Ma ki kus goron ki
Hhh jbh devastating reply by EX General 😂😂
@@awansarmad Seedhi baat hai Pervaiz Musharraf action lene wala bnda hai! I just came to know when Kaaba was hijacked...he was leading the Pakistani commandos! Mard ka bacha hai MashAllah!
39:17 What a shut-up call Musharraf gave to his opponent 💪👊
Arvez Parvez
@@durgeshsingh5220 Modi Chodi
@@samibaig8635 LANGDA KHAN 🤣🤣
@@durgeshsingh5220 LANGDA TO MODI JABHI UNMARRIED HAI 🤣🤣
@@samibaig8635 FITNA ka ab Khatna hoga 🤣🤣🤣
The French minister tried to criticize the former Pakistani president and the Pakistani agency, but the blunt response of the former Pakistani president disgraced the French minister and the CIA in front of the world.۔He insulted and mocked both himself and the CIA in an attempt to ridicule the Pakistani agency.
why you care about a debate over ten years ago
@@habbomanish
so?
39:54 haha his face😂😂😂😝 musharraf rocked PAKISTAN zindabad PAK army zindabad
Arvez Parvez
Musharaf was the most present minded leader of
Pakistan....and he nailed it again on this occasion too....
39:39 it was at this moment that she knows the white guy has messed up.. She is just stuttering from the back when General Musharaf started slap everyone.. 😂😂
Musharraff given shut up call💯🤣
39:10 the best answer from Musharraf
Arvez Parvez
The teen boy or young man at 40:20 is more wise than the entire panel.
I think they didn't answer his question.
Zeinab Badawi: The "for" side converted more undecided members. The score for the effectiveness of the debaters was 97-79 which was very clearly in favor of the speakers who spoke "for" the point. Hence, it is incorrect to declare the opposing team as the winners, although they retained the view with the greater number for votes from that audience.
39:54 look at his face. 😂😂😂
At the end parvez Musharraf was right, today the world has accepted the Taliban as a government, not only was the west defeated but also humiliated globally. All of this could have been avoided by accepting the Taliban in the 80’s.
20:55 after speeches...debate start
38:11 Musharraf we all came for!
Arvez Parvez
What Pervez Musharaf said proved absolutely Right. He also replied to puppets befittingly.
Arvez Parvez
After 20 years US getting defeat, anyone ever imagined?
Musharraf grilled him up
Arvez Parvez
What a wonderful and intelligent reply of Ex-president and Army General to the French Minister about 02 May Abbottabad incident
Arvez Parvez
Hats off for GM
The steel man
We love him
Gen Musharraf was the only one who got clapped for in the beginning
Arvez Parvez
Even if USA had something to do with WOT, Pakistan certainly didn't! It was another American war that has failed miserably like all American wars! We shouldn't have participated in that war at all. We suffered alot because of it
Why do they expect a general to disclose secrets of his country... Turn off the camera and you'll get all you want from him
NO WAR AT ALL on any time or anywhere. we as a human want peace in our countries . do not want anyone come and tell us what we need to do. we all need to see what is good for us and let other live the way they want to live .
Wow, well the for debate, especially Ms. Graffy, did a fantastic job on making it a coherent and reasoned response. The others? Well, emotional and political talk with little to back it up. If you came to watch this without any bias in mind, then tell me which debate was reasonable one? I am usually a big U.S. critic and I've been more on the left side for a long time but now I am actually learning about politics, international relations, and trying to use my reason rather than emotions to think about these issues and I am changing my mind about what was the best and/or unavoidable decisions.
Aori Hanazari I listened to this on podcast (better if you don't get their faces I feel), went in trying to be as unbiased as possible and I have to completely disagree. Pervez Musharraf won me over and I understand where he is coming from, and ultimately I side with the other two that the *war* on terror, especially with regards to Iraq, was abhorrent and ultimately sowed more discontent and destabilization. I know several people that study IR and it seems to be pretty well understood that US actions helped extremism thrive and made the ability to turn war in the middle east into West versus Muslim states. but ms. Graffy said several things that were political pandering and eventually in the questions was plainly disingenuous.
Plus there was a lot that I have found out about the Iraq war (and that has been declassified since) that was not in this debate
To be completely honest, this was one of the worst IQsqurared debates I've listened to. Partly because of the bickering and lack of depth gone into the topic, partly because the chair clearly had a very biased view, maybe partly because they all had a bit of an agenda
I did really like Musharraf's comments near the end of the questions session
no one can ever beat him in table talk.... General Mushraf the king
Arvez Parvez
Host and the participants of panel against Musharraf really regretted that why they tried Musharraf's wit. Blasted by Musharraf @ 39:05
Arvez Parvez
first of all i am a great supporter and fan of musharraf, i think , from what i have studied about musharraf is that he always supported the action against terror but he never supported military action, he was against the wars in iran iraq but supported the war against targeted terrorists and his partner in this panel was almost against his point of view therefore he mostly remained quiet and did not argue and also defended pakistan when it needed
What is the name of person who's throught was dried.?😂😂😂
Plz mention name here.
39:40 what a ans by General Pervez
Arvez Parvez
only 906 views yet there are thousands of people watching the iphone 5s being unboxed...
SOCIETY
Not thousands but billions
buddy! in 2020
Great part in this discussion is 39:35 .. well done 👍👏
❤️🇵🇰❤️
Arvez Parvez
From 39:07 to 40:15...Superb
Arvez Parvez
30:22 he really thought he did something there 😂 🤦♂️
39:54 at this moment he knew he fucked up 🤣
That Musharraf response is epic
Gen Musharaf ✔️
Geo sir g
It starts at 37:49
Arvez Parvez
The most sensible guy the Brit. He makes sense and seems a just and honest person. The French is extremist as well as naive.
Gotta be honest: I kind of admire her for going there and defending her (worst ever) stand.
The reply on 39:31 will be remembered over hundred of years...
Mr CIA wasn't ready for that🤥🤣
Got banged by musharraff 🤣
At least the against Side had more votes.
Just a reminder Some ones terrorist is another persons freedom fighter. the only solution is stay away from some one home and he will not come to your home to harm you. If you drop bomb in another country you have to expect blast in your own home too.
Don't try to roast General Musharraf
Otherwise Musharraf will Fry you in return
😂😂😂
Exactly 💯
The black women in the middle reminded me Stephen from Django Unchained
So pre war irqa and Afghanistan did not have schools, hospitals or roads?
General Pervez Musharraf You responded very well
Arvez Parvez
Well done MUSHARAF
My Two dogs are fighting outside..............
WAR
ON
TERRIER
Always remembered,Mr Mushraf.
The lion pervaiz musharraf nailed it in the end... The STEEL MAN Of PAkISTAN we love you that your love with Pakistan.. I watch this video so many times. You are same like IMRAN KHAN. Salute Pakistan ARMY Comando
Arvez Parvez
Remember the motion everybody... Don't ask direct sensible questions 🙋 hahaha
Why you skipped sadam Hussain question
Thanks Musharaf to make us proud
Good react
Nice sir
I came here to listen Mr . Musharraf.
Cia was sleep? 😂😂😂😂
40:16 look at these hypocrites smiling knowing that he is stating facts
Respect Gen Musharaf
I love you respect you sir the greatest soldier brave general commando no 1
i was just wondering if mr nawaz sharif or shahbaz sharif or zardari were invited inplace of mushraf and what would be thier response?
I m not here for that one statement but just to dig down why musharf still think that it was right? After effecting so badly that it branded us terribly, effecting pakistan particularly we are constantly under radar and he still think that its a radical decision. Its impartiality under blame game ..nothing more than that and world suffered it..
39:18
Main Point 😍😂
He is not easy MAN!
Excellent Pervez Musharraf
Ramzi bin al-Shibh He used a video he claimed was for al-Qaeda, but it was for someone he worked with Al Jazeera, so he posted the video before the program was published
good work Gernel Mushrif Sab Allah hu Akbar
Gernel Pervez Good 👊 to CIA
No Diplomacy and or any form of negotiations with the killer group.Must be fought at all time.
After October 07 it feels like no one has the decency to debate and discuss like this anymore. It's just misinformation and "my word against yours" type stuff.
While I tend to agree with General Musharaf on most things, I feel like the reason they lost the vote in this thing was because him and his partner were sort of saying a "well if we did everything right and moral and didn't to the bombing of civilians/torture it would have been fine" type of approach, whereas the opposing party were highlighting actual mistakes that were made and saying that if this was the response, then the response should not have occurred.
dont mess with general ....😎😎
The buildings were brought down by controlled demolition in my opinion. You just have to ask yourself what happened to WTC 7 which collapsed, at free-fall speed, into its own footprint without any plane flying into it plus these were metal frame buildings that were DESIGNED to withstand impact from aircraft without falling.
Musharraf thrown a monster slap on face of CIA heavily. Good Mr. President.
He was at 39:49 this moment he Knew but fucked up by Mshrf
You are right, absolutely right,can you doing anything do it know...if
Oh sadam we miss you...
Musharraf love you sir salute you you are a breve solder
Ambassador view seems more balanced
Gen musharraf, u r great
39:21 game over
general musharaf give shutup call to CIA chief for CIA performance
Zeinab does a bad job of concealing her own position. Lawley is much better in this respect.
Messing with Gen.Musharaf isnt easy
Iam with General Musharaf and his partner. This is my vote and you have a right to disagree.
there is no alternate of Gen Musharaf indeed - our proud - Pakistan Army Zindabad
Arvez Parvez
don't mess with Pervez Musharraf
39:54 ...realizing messed with a wrong guy🤧🤧
Pakstan so nice man Isi super pwer3 🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰💝👈🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰💝👈
39:20 you came for
39:00 destroyed
Messing with Gen. Musharaf isn't easy boss