The Worst Products I've Owned - A Glimpse in to an audiophile's nightmare purchases

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  • Watch Adrian rant and rave...well...just rant, about the worst products he has owned. journey in the mind of an audiophile as he makes a victim statement about the worst products he has owned.
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  • @samuilc8000
    @samuilc8000 Před 7 měsíci +156

    Whoever complained about the eye contact, they live in their own bubbles.

    • @deputy3690
      @deputy3690 Před 7 měsíci +3

      Hopefully everyone comments about that.

    • @jianhuang0124
      @jianhuang0124 Před 7 měsíci

      What kind of judgemental mind can complain that...

    • @keithblume5159
      @keithblume5159 Před 7 měsíci +2

      It's a camera anyway. Not a human to human contact. For sure

    • @justincollins6077
      @justincollins6077 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Love your content. Keep it up. There is always someone with an axe to grind.

    • @scottstrang1583
      @scottstrang1583 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Who cares if he doesn’t make eye contact in the camera. I like watching this man. He’s terrific. I don’t live Canada so I’ll probably never buy anything from him.

  • @PhotogPhotog-sk4ip
    @PhotogPhotog-sk4ip Před 6 měsíci +18

    You come across as one the most friendly and credible audio geeks on CZcams.

  • @moebutt9095
    @moebutt9095 Před 7 měsíci +35

    When I was in college (back in the 80's) the inside joke among salesmen at all the local AV shops was Bose stands for "Buying Other Speakers Eventually" because they all knew how awful they really sounded despite selling them in droves to suckers who'd been brainwashed by their slick advertising...😂

  • @tubical71
    @tubical71 Před 7 měsíci +5

    Bose: Buy Other Sound Equipment. My uncle had the 901 with it's eq....8 and 2 4inch speakers... Doesn't work. Simple as that... Eq or not... 😉

  • @vincentrockel1149
    @vincentrockel1149 Před 6 měsíci +9

    I wouldn't worry about or even explain the eye contact bs. Most people are uncomfortable looking into a camera lens.

    • @moss8448
      @moss8448 Před 2 měsíci

      when I speak usually I look to away to think about what I'm saying; looking at someone square in the eye, can be distracting to the thought process. it doesn't mean being deceitful generally. now when asked a direct question that feels like it IS questioning my veracity I will look (call it a cold cold stare) directly in the eye with no doubt about my intentions.

  • @leegoodwin3466
    @leegoodwin3466 Před 7 měsíci +18

    The eye contact thing is nonsense….
    Love your channel and your honesty and passion 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

  • @digggerrjones7345
    @digggerrjones7345 Před 7 měsíci +32

    Can't wait for part 2!!
    100% agree on the Bose 901s. I had a pair my freshman year of college and quickly got rid of them and went with stacked Advents!

    • @MrRocktuga
      @MrRocktuga Před 7 měsíci +4

      I knew them inside and out for professional reasons, and they were crap.
      I’m not a Bose hater, but it’s hard to find redeeming qualities on something that was wrong from the beginning.

    • @JeffHopkins76
      @JeffHopkins76 Před 7 měsíci +1

      sound everywhere, stereo nowhere. lol

    • @michaellee4883
      @michaellee4883 Před 7 měsíci

      BOSE = B uy O ther S ound E quipment

    • @VideoArchiveGuy
      @VideoArchiveGuy Před 7 měsíci

      There's a reason for the canard "No highs, no lows, must be Bose."

    • @scottstrang1583
      @scottstrang1583 Před 7 měsíci

      I’ve had Bose drivers in two different Chevy Tahoes and they sounded really good. It’s better than the B&O system in a Ford I have. Their headphones can be good but I’ve never liked their loudspeakers.

  • @thepracticalaudiophile
    @thepracticalaudiophile Před 7 měsíci +24

    Back in the late 80's and early 90's I worked for Dow Stereo in San Diego. We sold the 901's. Nobody bought them because they were so bad. All of us salesmen hated them. My favorite that we sold were the Infinity Kappa 8's. Incredible speakers.

    • @50jun
      @50jun Před 7 měsíci +4

      I own some very nicely renovated Kappa 8s they're magnificent 🇦🇺👌

    • @MarkasTZM
      @MarkasTZM Před 7 měsíci +2

      and that is why no one should watch the channel of someone who bought them in the 1980s.

    • @bunsw2070
      @bunsw2070 Před 6 měsíci +1

      And he hates the ESL-57. I had a friend that owned them mated to custom tube electronics and placed in a small bedroom. Even the turntable was custom with an air bearing platter and Eminent Technology linear tracking tone arm. Awesome sound you can't buy retail.

    • @terrywho22
      @terrywho22 Před 6 měsíci

      Which Dow did you work at?

    • @thepracticalaudiophile
      @thepracticalaudiophile Před 6 měsíci +1

      El Cajon BLVD

  • @keithblume5159
    @keithblume5159 Před 7 měsíci +7

    I heard the 24" Hartley on Quads and it did not disappoint. Quads are so fickle they don't even like humidity fluctuations hour to hour. But still worth the fussiness and rebuilds every five years

  • @markfischer3626
    @markfischer3626 Před 6 měsíci +2

    In 1970 I bought a pair of original Bose 901s and enjoyed them for several years. Then they got boxed up and put in storage. In the 1990s I took them out and didn't like them anymore. Being an engineer I decided to see what I could do to improve them. My first attempt was admittedly half hearted and failed. About 20 years ago I made a much more serious attempt. It took about 4 weeks to fix the two problems with the bass. It took 4 years to fix the treble. Before you can fix something you have to figure out what's wrong with it. It turned into an excellent speaker. Starting g with Series III there was a radical design change which IMO was a downgrade.
    I listened to it for quite a few years but haven't for 6 years. I invented my own sound system that is radically different and that's all I listen to. Two years ago I returned that system and wouldn't change a thing. It's now my Idea of perfection.

  • @cychen9528
    @cychen9528 Před 6 měsíci +3

    So good that finally someone is willing to talk about products that do not go well! People could learn a lot from that (what could go wrong with the products etc etc-), I wish more reviewers would be open to discuss products with this honesty! thumb up!

  • @davidnguyen5028
    @davidnguyen5028 Před 7 měsíci +38

    It would be awesome if you give us a tour of your collection.

  • @deputy3690
    @deputy3690 Před 7 měsíci +12

    Who ever made that comment is a total paranoid freak. Your sense of humor and explanation was pure class! As we both know there are many paranoid folks out there.

    • @moss8448
      @moss8448 Před 2 měsíci

      Mickey Mantle once said about Billy Martin (both baseball players) that Martin was so paranoid that he could HEAR someone give him the finger.

  • @mka4pol
    @mka4pol Před 7 měsíci +2

    I was selling mid-level audio in the early '70s; we knew back then that Bose was crap.

  • @TheKent2288
    @TheKent2288 Před 7 měsíci +14

    Highly entertaining stories again Adrian. Looking forward to part 2!

  • @novaguy5073
    @novaguy5073 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Ahhh The Quads. My father had a pretty good stereo setup back in the 70s Marantz, Thorens, Kef. However, he had a friend that owned Quads. It was the first time something moved in me when I listened to recorded music. Once you hear them you can't get them out of your head!

  • @martytoo
    @martytoo Před 7 měsíci +3

    Great video. Your memories explaining the different issues was interesting and because you worded the deficiencies in easy to understand language, I could feel your frustrations relived. Thank you.

  • @dragonaudio2549
    @dragonaudio2549 Před 7 měsíci +7

    Too funny. The Carver Amazing speakers in your picture were mine. They were horrible. That picture was in a friend's garage in the middle of winter in Alberta after they just died

  • @veteq101
    @veteq101 Před 7 měsíci +17

    Love these videos. My worse sounding piece of equipment was the Aragon 8008 of 7-8 years ago. I replaced it with the Mcintosh MC402. I posted the Aragon for sale, the buyer came over and listen to it; he was ok with the sound but then he asked me if I would plug in the Mac amp for comparison. He almost walked away from buying it, I had to explain that there was a significant difference in cost too.

    • @jasonme3557
      @jasonme3557 Před 7 měsíci +1

      That's funny.

    • @santoriniblue8413
      @santoriniblue8413 Před 7 měsíci +1

      That's the problem when you are selling and have other equipment around. I usually discourage them from even asking a test with the price issue.

    • @Simon-oq6ds
      @Simon-oq6ds Před 5 měsíci +1

      The Aragon is a bright sounding amp and needs to be matched up carefully. I have a friend who installed the 3 channel Aragon amp into his Martin Logan Sequel2 with silver interconnects and it was unlistenable due to the highs being so shrill! The amp sounded okay on a regular speaker (I forgot what brand and model) but it was a bad match to his system.

  • @gavinhadley7672
    @gavinhadley7672 Před 6 měsíci +2

    ..the 901s are an icon for awful..that’s a slam dunk

  • @neilcoligan8621
    @neilcoligan8621 Před 7 měsíci +6

    My love/hate was the NAD 3140 integrated. It was a great budget amplifier I purchased from Ring Audio when I was a university student living in Toronto in the 80s. When it worked it was a smart option for good listening on a budget, but I had it in various shops far too often, mostly a channel dropping out for whatever reason. The same happened much later with a used British Fidelity A-1 that was gob smacking at times, but also highly unreliable. I sold it to a friend who later found the same issues. I warned him about the issues and we're still friends. He eventually sold it as well.

  • @jadesystem
    @jadesystem Před 6 měsíci +2

    Interesting commentary and video. Back in the day, this was the best era of a what is now vintage audio excellence. And I've seen these "rejects" in stereo stores and in stereo audiophile magazines. A lot of this is personal trial and error once hooked-up at home on your own sound system unless there's a listening room with multiple sets of speakers you can select before purchase. It is then can you discern what was pleasing to your ears and if a wise purchase. Most of these vintage speakers are high-end for the most discriminating tastes. And unaffordable to the masses in 70s-80s dollars. What was unaffordable back then, can now be purchased used at a fraction on resale websites such as eBay and FB Marketplace. Me....I'm happy with a pair of vintage Advent Heritage or Boston Acoustics T1030s at just a few hundred bucks if even that. Thank you for an interesting insight on your past audiophile purchases. Keep-up the great work.

  • @chrisball6900
    @chrisball6900 Před 6 měsíci +2

    The BOSE 901 used very cheap drivers sourced from Auratone, and from memory USD4.95/each. That is one reason why they sounded so bad, even with the in-line electronic equalizer sold with every pair.

  • @SuperMcgenius
    @SuperMcgenius Před 7 měsíci +5

    Regarding Bose 901, I did a service job on a pair series 3, and I cannot believe how poorly they were put together, basic plastic and miss placed glue. Has one feature I like they are very good for background music.😂

  • @frankgolder6044
    @frankgolder6044 Před 7 měsíci +2

    I am not from an Asian or Chinese culture and I have found you very believable for many years.

  • @petermartin9494
    @petermartin9494 Před 7 měsíci +10

    I love this type of video. The honesty is unusual and refreshing.

  • @Sanslab-wu8tv
    @Sanslab-wu8tv Před 7 měsíci +3

    I worked in sales at a high-end store that sold Bose along with other brands. The only time we sold Bose products was when customers came in with their minds made up and did not want to do comparison listening. We only sold one pair of 901s in the years I worked there since, for the same price, one could buy much better-sounding speakers.

  • @philipketchum1407
    @philipketchum1407 Před 7 měsíci +4

    I hate that eye contact myth.

  • @SliderLe
    @SliderLe Před 7 měsíci

    Hi, Adrian - Dave from Winnipeg here. As you know, I’ve dealt with you for decades, ever since my several years living in Toronto in the 80s. You are the most trustworthy and honest person that I know in the industry. You have talked me out of and talked me into various products; all of which have proven so fruitful. I can’t think of a “worst” piece of equipment as I’ve always followed your sage advice. I suppose my only regret is the Musical Fidelity Tri-Vista as the units (integrated amp and CD player) eventually needed motherboard replacements and none were available worldwide so the units became junk.

  • @brettclarke6798
    @brettclarke6798 Před 7 měsíci +5

    I made an awful purchase once and not so long ago, the B&W 702 s2, the tweeters could give you a migraine for nothing, the bass wasn’t there, I tried so many different amps to make them work, anyway moved them on but it taught me a valuable lesson in hifi, the only ears that matter are yours and never buy something unless you have home demo’s it

    • @jboy55
      @jboy55 Před 6 měsíci

      My first pair of speakers after getting my first career job was supposed to be B&W 305s. I had seen the Nautilus online and bought into B&W. However there was 2 top line stereo stores in my city, and the one that sold B&Ws wasn't open when I went to try them out. So I brought some CDs, to the other one, tried one out on a B&O Beosound (garbage), eventually went into the basement, tried a pair of Jamo 803s, played everything I could put at it, sounded awesome and the pretty much the cheapest thing you could buy at the store. So even though I didn't research them, I bought them.
      The next day, I had major regret, I went into buying my speakers having researched the 305s, and I didn't even listen to them. I kicked myself for not trying them, but I thought I'd go out and try them out. Went to the B&W store, put my CDs on to the 305s... wow. Felt like I was listening to something through 5 inches of foam. Salesman asked what I thought, said, "Where's the base? the mids are even muted?". He's like, its a 305, just two speakers, you a Sub for these. Still have my Jamos 25 years later. One benefit, the salesguy played my test CDs on the B&W 801 setup (the one with the single 15"). Wow...

  • @montycaps8235
    @montycaps8235 Před 7 měsíci

    Keep up the great job with the recent videos. Really enjoying them.
    I had a Clearaudio Performance DC years ago I couldn’t stand. One of my worst purchases ever.

  • @smaarch1
    @smaarch1 Před 7 měsíci

    Found your channel only recently and much enjoy your insight and knowledge - thanks for the videos and I'll keep following

  • @rolandlickert2904
    @rolandlickert2904 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Fully agree with the Bose speakers got them on loan they lasted only one week and got another speaker agreed with the "worst speakers" I listen to and I did have quite a few during my 55-year HiFi journey!

  • @thomasperina2990
    @thomasperina2990 Před 7 měsíci +9

    Another great video sir. While I was on a business trip my wife was in the mall, walked into tha Bose Store & purchased that 901 garbage. When I finally got home she surprised me all right. Not only didn't she know what she was buying but she swallowed the salesmans line of BS hook line & sinker. After trying to tolerate them for 6 months I couldn't take it anymore. Took them out in the backyard & chopped them up with an axe & in the garbage they went. Needless to say my wife never went behind my back to purchase high-end items without my ok.

    • @adrianlow2114
      @adrianlow2114 Před 7 měsíci +1

      LOL! No THAT'S a story worth telling

    • @thomasperina2990
      @thomasperina2990 Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@adrianlow2114 Hello Adrian: Thank you for your most kind words 😊. Have a great weekend 😀. TMP from N.J.

    • @erwinvanhulten9561
      @erwinvanhulten9561 Před 7 měsíci

      There's a story that never happened.

    • @abboberg
      @abboberg Před 7 měsíci

      ​@@erwinvanhulten9561Why - because he's alive to tell about it? Perhaps he found his wife in the east. It's a big world out there.

  • @ewhite5381
    @ewhite5381 Před 7 měsíci

    You are truly blessed with an amazing ability to convey information in an entertaining way. Love the video.

  • @JasonWh
    @JasonWh Před 6 měsíci +1

    As a 52yo audiophile, you had some amazingly broad products!

  • @stephensams709
    @stephensams709 Před 7 měsíci +8

    I have to agree about the original Carver Amazing design. I bought the AL-III loudspeakers back in "95" and I still use them to this day. It's not easy getting them set up correctly, but once you do, the sound is addicting. It does take a ton of power to make them sing. There are tons of speakers out there that are better than these, but mine have served me well.

    • @adrianlow2114
      @adrianlow2114 Před 7 měsíci

      Wow, you still have the ones you bought! Good for you

    • @guinnessharvey4476
      @guinnessharvey4476 Před 6 měsíci

      I love your content. . . .and I don’t look directly at you either sometimes:)

  • @user-ye2gr5dx3n
    @user-ye2gr5dx3n Před 7 měsíci +1

    Great vid! Yes pIease, more of them 😀.
    I also owned the Quad ESL "57". Loved them to death. Used the Quad II mono amps as well as the Quad 2 preamp with them as it was originaly intended and could play any kind of music on them, medium loud, for years, without having any problem ever. 👍

  • @sylviarienzo6955
    @sylviarienzo6955 Před 7 měsíci +4

    Oh boy, my first speakers were home made Bose 901s! I joined a project at work where we built these speakers from engineering drawings made by a high level executive at my company and including the equalizers. Wow! What fun! But I was finally able to replaced them with Quad ESL-63 electrostatic speakers in 1985. Finally some great speakers and I’m planning to be buried with them. Yes, I’m joking, but I’m still in love with them.

  • @thegrimyeaper
    @thegrimyeaper Před 7 měsíci +3

    Worst I ever owned was a Harman/Kardon AVR 80 when I was a teenager. It kept turning the volume up to max by itself randomly, and literally caught on fire. Twice. Even after being repaired, it instantly caught on fire again when I turned it on. And every Marantz product I ever owned had issues.

    • @davidkclayton
      @davidkclayton Před 7 měsíci +1

      A common issue for equipment that use rotary encoders for volume control

  • @trucchuong1726
    @trucchuong1726 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Please keep other parts coming! Can't wait to see them, thanks for sharing your opinion and have a great day.

  • @user-mz6lt2pr9s
    @user-mz6lt2pr9s Před 7 měsíci

    Appreciate these honest reviews you’re doing. Very revealing and entertaining. Please keep them coming. By the way your eye contact is fine. You can’t please everybody. Don’t let the turkeys get you down. My biggest regret was a DIY project with a friend. He talked me into getting speaker components from France and we had to build the cabinets from scratch. I’m talking getting the particle board from the lumberyard and cutting it up with hand tools and I’m not a carpenter. It was a nightmare I Would never do again. Will leave speaker building to the experts.

  • @dmark2639
    @dmark2639 Před 2 měsíci

    I liked hearing your stories and I am old enough to remember some of those products from the '80's!

  • @lucashinch
    @lucashinch Před 6 měsíci +1

    Did I notice a "901" in the thumbnail
    I had the very same experience with Bose 901s'. I even had the stands ,EQ, plenty of power on hand and they were terrible. I tried and tried to convince myself I'd made a smart choice...lost them in a divorce. Best thing ever!

    • @theonl1128
      @theonl1128 Před měsícem +1

      What...the divorce or ...😂

    • @lucashinch
      @lucashinch Před měsícem

      @@theonl1128 BOTH! haha !

  • @Audiorevue
    @Audiorevue Před 9 dny

    I will say in my opinion that I agree with most of what you said with the exception of the Bose. I have never owned a pair of Bose 901 however I have heard them properly set up, and I think that's the key.
    I'm not insinuating what you heard or had or what have you was not properly done but in my recollection of hearing them properly set up and you've got to properly tweak them with the EQ, they have a particular sound. They have this big wall of sound type sound and it's definitely not to everybody's taste and I can understand that, but I think that for certain types of music particularly where mid-range timbre is important, they excelled and that coupled with that big wall of sound was actually quite pleasurable.
    Anyway keep up the videos and always love your opinion and your style, and forget the haters that might nitpick you with certain things, be honest they're probably just jealous.

  • @johnmcclean7390
    @johnmcclean7390 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Klipssh La cala speakers - power them up and they blow up - They were huge and had no quality at all. I also had a pair of speakers that mounted on a wall about 4" deep 2'x4' something like that, can't remember the name all mids base fell off as soon as you moved away from in front of them. 80's lots of bad stuff. I blew up Bryston amps (2) a Sansui 300 watt amp lasted a year.

  • @RoyFJ65
    @RoyFJ65 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Heard the Bose 901 Mk IV coupled with a Tandberg receiver, I still have trauma from the strange sound that I heard then. 😄

  • @anthonylawrence4621
    @anthonylawrence4621 Před 7 měsíci +2

    I love the show. Your discussion of the Quads brought back my memory of my first true magical listening experience. It was with the Quad 63s being driven by Audio Research tube amps and preamp playing John Klemmer’s album Touch. I bought the system new in the 60s and had it for many years.

    • @happygil4698
      @happygil4698 Před 7 měsíci +1

      esl63 weren't introduced until the 80s.
      I've owned a half dozen pairs with various mods through the years.

    • @anthonylawrence4621
      @anthonylawrence4621 Před 7 měsíci +1

      @happygil4698 you are correct, when I thought about it some more I bought them in 1988. Thanks for the correction.

    • @normansteinbach2007
      @normansteinbach2007 Před 6 měsíci

      One of the best speakers!!!❤❤

  • @DrMarkGlenn296
    @DrMarkGlenn296 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Worst… in college some Cerwin Vegas powered with those Carver cubes…. Loud and horrible at every frequency.

  • @user-ge9fh5xm2k
    @user-ge9fh5xm2k Před 7 měsíci +2

    In Lexicon listening room at Bedford, MA, one will be kicked out of the room if mentions Bose.

  • @dennisheadley4408
    @dennisheadley4408 Před 7 měsíci +8

    Wow--I didn't think you were old enough to remember "Stereo Review" and "High Fidelity." They seemed at times to promote products rather than present objective reviews, but they were still fun reads. "Audio" may have been the best of the three. RIP Julian Hirsch and all those reviewers who are no longer with us.

    • @adrianlow2114
      @adrianlow2114 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Yes, I am THAT old

    • @Reyfox1
      @Reyfox1 Před 7 měsíci

      @@adrianlow2114 so am I! I looked forward to reading Stereo Review to see that if it measured the same, it sounded the same. High Fidelity and Audio too. But then the products that they did review did basically all sound the same.

    • @v8beamer
      @v8beamer Před 7 měsíci +1

      Audio Magazine's yearly product specifications publication was such a great purchasing tool.

    • @dennisheadley4408
      @dennisheadley4408 Před 7 měsíci

      It alone was worth the subscription price. I still have the last issue.@@v8beamer

    • @Reyfox1
      @Reyfox1 Před 7 měsíci

      @@v8beamer yes it was!

  • @barney6888
    @barney6888 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Bose AM 5s
    I can't put into words how ripped off I felt after buying those. I got suckered and was a fool. 30 years ago. I am desperate to upgrade as I listen to very large, orchestral music, but don't trust anything and it all just costs so much.
    4000 cds, collecting dust, I'm getting old and fat and don't know what to do.
    Very saddening and frustrating for me.

    • @Simon-oq6ds
      @Simon-oq6ds Před 5 měsíci

      Don’t give up! With a vibrant used market, you should be able to find suitable speakers and system components.

  • @mbrusso01
    @mbrusso01 Před měsícem

    This video is fun. My worst product ever owned was my first Integrated amp. A yamaha AX 592 integrated. It had no bass at all and could not play loud enough for me and I hated the pure direct - It made the bass even thinner! Yet all the reviews raved about the "high current" design and power it had. This was back in university days and I had a hall mate who had an NAD powered system that absolutely pounded!

  • @JJ-no2ob
    @JJ-no2ob Před 7 měsíci

    Great video Adrian. Next up - your most favored audio speakers & gear please.
    I auditioned the 1st edition of the 901’s but retuned them with a few days. I still have and use the Bose Wave Radio/ alarm clock! 😂

  • @klaymoon1
    @klaymoon1 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Great video! Love the format.

  • @MrRocktuga
    @MrRocktuga Před 7 měsíci +3

    Relatively speaking, my worst regret was with a pair of TDL RTL-3.
    I heard them at a dealer when I wasn’t thinking about auditioning loudspeakers, so I heard the demo with music that I didn’t knew, and I really loved the sound.
    I waited anxiously for the delivery of my brand new pair, and the first impressions were bad.
    I left them playing pink noise and music for several days, expecting them to get better.
    I ended up selling them a few months later (I was lucky on finding a buyer), and never accepted any loudspeaker demo without the recordings that I’m very familiar with.

    • @adrianlow2114
      @adrianlow2114 Před 7 měsíci

      Never had a pair of TDL although I always wanted to hear a pair

    • @johnr6168
      @johnr6168 Před 6 měsíci

      Their RTL range was a huge step down from their earlier Studio series which were genuine transmission line designs and better in other respects too. The RTL series were reflex transmission lines which was really an economy version of a TL. The Studio range, Monitor and Reference Standard were very fine speakers. Many years later, Richer Sounds (UK) bought the name and had some own brand speakers labelled TDL but were nowhere near the quality of the original TDL designs.

  • @user-bc6ok1yh4s
    @user-bc6ok1yh4s Před 7 měsíci

    LOL... when you mentioned a pair of speakers I once owned that made your list. Great context!

  • @DJWerkz
    @DJWerkz Před 7 měsíci +1

    I am sure we have all purchased products we simply could not enjoy, usually when they are offered at a great price. My list includes; JBL L300 Summit speakers, Threshold A400 power amp, Ortofon MC3000 MK II cartridge, Audio Research SP-10 preamp, and Martin Logan (can’t remember the model but close to their most expensive).

  • @MrBonger88
    @MrBonger88 Před 7 měsíci +3

    This was great. Can’t wait to hear more

  • @hiresaudiocosta873
    @hiresaudiocosta873 Před 7 měsíci

    I like this type of video. Please keep this type of information randomly. Great information. 😊

  • @BrokebackBob
    @BrokebackBob Před 6 měsíci +1

    The Bose 901 needs an entire power substation to feed a 2000 watt amp to make that bad sound.

  • @Tsxtasy1
    @Tsxtasy1 Před 7 měsíci +3

    For me it was a NAD M10 integrated.
    Bought it used in like new condition. Never sounded great, around a year later some board went out and it’s been at the repair shop for 5 months now…
    no clue when I’ll get it back.
    Emailed NAD and they said sucks to be you. 😔
    It was literally my first hifi purchase.

  • @wayman10
    @wayman10 Před 7 měsíci +2

    The worst audio product I've own is the JBL L300. They had a 15 inch woofer and compression horn tweeter and midrange. They had no imaging and no clearity. They had pretty good bass. There was always this horn coloration on everything I've played. This speaker was junk. I sold it after a month.

  • @johnpooley4848
    @johnpooley4848 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Hi Adrain. Thanks so much for your informative CZcams clips. Re the Quad 57s. Much of what you said it true enough, but you can't expect the 57s to play rock, or any of its bastard handmaidens. The 57s were designed to reproduce music played by acoustic instruments, but most of all for vocals. That wonderful midrange that you mentioned, is the source of so much pleasure for those of us who own these magic speakers. I owned a pair for 40 years and only gave them away when I moved into a retirement unit, so no room for them. The 57s need at least 2 metres behind them and plenty of room to breathe, all round. So many people try to cram them into inadequate listening spaces and they suffer accordingly. Also using a subwoofer with them, definitely improves things. Cheers, John.

    • @osbert43
      @osbert43 Před 7 měsíci +1

      I own a pair of the ESL 57’s…matched with the right amplifier they are unsurpassed in what they do well. Speakers in a box don’t cut it for me, unless they are ribbons.

    • @adrianlow2114
      @adrianlow2114 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Agreed. !!

  • @michaeldue1704
    @michaeldue1704 Před 7 měsíci

    I agree. People are so ignorant and should know Adrian is a very courteous and speaks from the heart type person!!

  • @JamesWilliams-gf8gm
    @JamesWilliams-gf8gm Před 7 měsíci +2

    My worst speaker was B&W 703s. They were bright with massive cone breakup in the upper mids. They hurt my ears and left them ringing at moderate volume.
    My worst amp was Rotel Class D. Wow etched vocals.
    My best speakers were JBL 4367, best by a mile.
    My favorite but maybe not best amp is/was the MC462. It does nothing wrong with tons of power.

  • @FeedScrn
    @FeedScrn Před 7 měsíci +1

    Insightful... Thank You.
    The one thing that I did not like was having a record turntable.... If I turned up the volume anything past medium,,... the speaker vibrations would affect it....

    • @theclearsounds3911
      @theclearsounds3911 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Right, I'm pretty sure you're talking about feedback. I bought an Akai turntable in 1980 that was bottom of the line, but it was all I could afford at the time. I thought it sounded good at the time, but as soon as I bought speakers that actually put out any serious bass, the feedback was impossible to deal with. I even put the turntable in the basement on the cement floor, and still got feedback from my speakers on the floor above! Certain turntables are MUCH more susceptible to feedback than others.

  • @nigeltoh9945
    @nigeltoh9945 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Hi Adrain, it will be great if you could do some "customer's system" video, go on the field, introduce the customer, their home, space, equipment, and the journey their went through. I am sure many people like to show their system to fellow audiophile / music lovers, this is not about showing off, this is about sharing the passion and learning from each other. As for the viewers, I am sure many are very interested in knowing how other people play their systems. It will take up your precious time. Thanks in advance.

  • @SpeedySen
    @SpeedySen Před 7 měsíci +1

    Adrian, love these videos and the good, bad & ugly series! Keep em coming!!
    You mentioned that you have a lot of steamers, can u do a video on budget streamers. Especially interested in the streamer transports if u have any?

  • @mariomanus3176
    @mariomanus3176 Před 7 měsíci +1

    After owning a quad amped plus sub system with linear response from 20Hz to 20kHz that can be adjusted to accommodate your mood (at times I like orchestra and at times rock), I can never go back to 1 amped systems. The clarity, imaging and bandwidth can never be achieved by these 1 amped passive crossed over speaker systems.

  • @dhpbear2
    @dhpbear2 Před 4 měsíci

    0:44 - The problem with looking at the camera is that many look at the *display* on the camera and not the (admittedly tiny) *lens* itself!

  • @annenominous7220
    @annenominous7220 Před 7 měsíci

    I came up in the 1970s and 1980s for HiFI. I loved the sound of the bose in the store, but didn't buy them, going with AR instead. Recently some people have measured the old Bose and remarkably, they are very flat speakers... the magic was in the selection of the drivers and crossovers that sum to an almost perfect speaker, using state-of-the-art tools (Klippel)... I remember them fondly but never owned them... it is too bad you had a terrible experience with them. Love the channel.

  • @bryantaylor2946
    @bryantaylor2946 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Very well done, Adrian - not what I expected. I might have called the video - 'the products which fell very far short of the hype'.

  • @mikegemmati8658
    @mikegemmati8658 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Did you use the Bose equalizer with the 901s? It’s part of the design and needed for the speakers to sound right.

  • @user-xx2hj7xb6b
    @user-xx2hj7xb6b Před 7 měsíci

    I owned a pair of Quads for about two years. It had 3 great things going for it - midrange, midrange, midrange. Other than that, the shortcomings (beaming, lack of slam, roll-off in the bass and treble) prompted me to sell them and buy a pair of ADS 810s.

  • @drewyoung2102
    @drewyoung2102 Před 6 měsíci

    I recall one of the last Tweeter stores. They had upstairs show rooms, and then usual range downstairs. The salesmen were comically rude. They would literally tell people to go to best buy. They had rolls of high thickness Monster Cable as the high margin add on and Macintosh was the premium brand then. When I exchanged an Ipod at end as defective it took 3 months. The end was near.

  • @crossoverchef
    @crossoverchef Před 7 měsíci

    thanks for honest reviews, owned /heard most of these speakers and agree with your analysis.

  • @lesirephilippe8041
    @lesirephilippe8041 Před 7 měsíci

    Great video again and thanks for it ! I've a remark what concern electrostatic loudspeakers. I own final 1000i for a couple of years and these are full range loudspeakers. Maybe the problems you noticed does'nt exist with full range ones. No filter, only one speaker to reproduce all the range of music, but the problem of a narrow stage does remains. In my case, I'm using diffusion panels in my room (front wall, back wall and ceiling) and it's quite different to get a wider stage. No love and hate relationship for me ! Thanks again for this !

    • @adrianlow2114
      @adrianlow2114 Před 7 měsíci

      The issue I had with Acoustat also extended to their electrostatc models. They always sounded veiled and dull at the highs. And not particularly dynamic (contrast) though they could play loud.

  • @p1k1w17
    @p1k1w17 Před 7 měsíci +1

    😢 I loved my Amazing Loudspeakers and AL-IIIs, but always augmented them with subwoofers.
    PS But my biggest purchase regret was Velodyne's flagship subwoofer ULD-18 for $2k back in '92. It sucked!

  • @vendelius
    @vendelius Před 7 měsíci +2

    I actually enjoyed listening to the Carver Amazing speakers in a showroom.... but chose not to purchase... I think you are right on with your list.. thanks and enjoy

  • @colanitower
    @colanitower Před 7 měsíci

    In 1990 I bought a new Pioneer A-656 amplifier and Infinity RS4001 speakers. Nice system, great sound, but not for long: the popular Pioneer got stolen 3 weeks later. It was an out-of-production sale, insurance money wasn't enough to replace it with another one and it wasn't available anymore. Best I could do was a Denon PMA-725 but it never did as well with the Infinitys as the Pioneer did. 5 years later the Infinitys gave up.
    I didn't do much with HiFi for 25 years, then I stumbled upon a refurbished Pioneer A-757 amplifier in perfect condition and I couldn't resist. Paired to refurbished Dutch Translator Impact4 speakers (comparable to Wharfedale Linton Heritage) the good sound is finally back again.

  • @lloyd.8272
    @lloyd.8272 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Worst Hifi product I’ve owned is a Cambridge audio 851n.
    Absolutely infuriating to use, constantly stoped playing music, having to restart it all the time. The screen didn’t know what it was doing. Waited months for multiple software updates and still didn’t fix the problem only to be told it was a hardware issue.

  • @davewin1792
    @davewin1792 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Thank you for this content Adrian. Me being a Parasound fanboy, I'm sure you'll cover this soon enough :)

    • @adrianlow2114
      @adrianlow2114 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Parasound is easy. Virtually ALL GOOD, almost no BAD or UGLY, except we can't sell it anymore as there's no distribution in Canada

    • @davewin1792
      @davewin1792 Před 7 měsíci

      True story :) Jc5 here with Magnepan. I'm batting a thousand Adrian.@@adrianlow2114

  • @Nonsense62365
    @Nonsense62365 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I owned a pair of golden tube Audio amps @ 40WPC bridged to mono at 80WPC driving a pair of Dunleavy SC-III’s! They used a cheap sand cast resistor that blew and caused the KT88 tubes to catch on fire! I had the resistors and the two blown tubes replaced and sold them immediately after that issue! The company went BK shorty later in 1997?

  • @ponchantos
    @ponchantos Před 7 měsíci +1

    I don't really stair in the eye too especially as im thinking while talking. I understand that. Nothing wrong with it sir
    Many of us see your sincerity

  • @TemperTemper...
    @TemperTemper... Před 7 měsíci +2

    I had Bose series 5 901s...They sounded great when used with the equalizer...Maybe you didn't use the equalizer???

  • @DriverDude100
    @DriverDude100 Před 3 měsíci

    Years ago, I got a too-good-to-pass-up price on a Mark Levinson No. 38 preamp from my local dealer. The preamp was functionally beautiful but sonically a dog. I sold it after owning it only a few months.

  • @helgar791
    @helgar791 Před 6 měsíci

    Amazingly, sociopaths and psychopaths are the best at looking people right in the eye.

  • @tomprowda9581
    @tomprowda9581 Před 7 měsíci

    I completely agree about the Wilson WITT. I LOVED the WATT/Puppy 5.1 but was disappointed in the deep bass so the WITT was more attractively priced and was touted to have the deep bass extension that was missing from the W/P. Turned out the deep bass extension was about the same, but the driver integration was downright poor. The deep bass extension was greatly improved in the W/P6 which I used for about a year. In what seemed like a backward move I then went to the Sophia. For whatever reason the Sophia's locked with my room acoustics in a way the W/P never quite did and they just vanished, just you and a direct connection to the music. I went through several sets of high end electronics before finally acquiring Spectral, which were the most neutral sets I've experienced.
    I also completely agree on the Quad ESL57. I rebuilt a set that an owner had carelessly blown both tweeters and one bass panel. The transparency was breathtaking, if all I ever listened to was small scale music I'd still have them. They couldn't do Mahler and completely forget about live Grateful Dead (Wilson happens to be Supreme on both!).The day I sold them, the instant the buyer's car disappeared from view I thought "what the hell did just do, you idiot"...I agree on Martin Logans. I've never liked the integration between the woofers and the panels, though recent models have been better. I have little experience with Acoustat; I liked what I heard but had no extensive experience with them. I'm wondering if it was a source/headed gear issue. I have no experience with the Carver other than knowing they were wicked insensitive and I've always hated Bose, though their headphones and car systems I've thought were decent

  • @wjekat
    @wjekat Před 7 měsíci +1

    Any man who loves McIntosh MC-30s is a friend of mine. IMHO they were and are the pinnacle of McIntosh amplifiers.

  • @davidperry4013
    @davidperry4013 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I went from mom’s Bose model 601s to Q Acoustics 3020is during COVID lockdowns and did my vintage pioneer A-9 more justice and see it currently as a stepping stone to eventually own Q Acoustics Concept 500s. Those affordable speaker real do blow Bose out of the water.

    • @jeffreylehman1159
      @jeffreylehman1159 Před 7 měsíci

      Haven’t heard them, but Q’s are highly reviewed and have interesting cabinet construction to dampen resonances. I’ll probably consider them if/ when I upgrade from my Emotiva T1+ towers( which I love)

  • @Nonsense62365
    @Nonsense62365 Před 7 měsíci

    I also owned a pair of Apogee Stages (Great loudspeaker) then in 2009, I bought a pair of Apogee Mini Grands it used the stages with a subwoofer box with Vifa woofer Drivers that had reliability issues. They required two separate amps to drive them one for the stages and one for the Vifa Subwoofer boxes. I had a ML 27 driving the subwoofers and tube amps driving the stages
    Vifa went out of business years later. And if was impossible to find a replacement drivers that matched the output of the Vifa’s. So when you had to replace one of the 2 drivers in each subwoofer Box, you had to replace all the drivers. It was a PIA!

  • @darrelgustafson2507
    @darrelgustafson2507 Před 3 měsíci

    Decca Ribbon tweeters.
    My buddy had the super tweeters, the aluminum cube ones. They sounded great when they weren't blown, which happened a lot.
    Why they blew so often? Well, we were younger then, he possibly didn't have quite good enough power feeding them.
    Great sounding tweeter, just a little delicate.

  • @Synthematix
    @Synthematix Před 6 měsíci

    Whenever i hear the words "audiophile equipment" i instantly think, Boring Sound.

  • @fullsoundrecording
    @fullsoundrecording Před 6 měsíci

    I took my esl's and paired them with a Genelec two-way and just tapped the bas driver and its passive Xover and they were such a dream, I would use them for mid-fields in the studio back in the day, and finally an engineer popped the tweets and I was moving to a new room anyway about that time, and just got rid of it all by parting it all out.

  • @zogzog1063
    @zogzog1063 Před 6 měsíci

    My worst bit of kit was an Origin Live Conqueror tonearm. I wanted an upgrade to my Technics SL1200 turntable. The Origin Live was no improvement - a downgrade in fact as it lost the ease of use the stock tonearm. I now keep the stock Technics tonearm on one TT and a Jelco 750 on the other.

  • @Reyfox1
    @Reyfox1 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Love this type of video!
    Worst pre-amp was a SAE IXB. Horrible. But I have to say, I really liked my Acoustat 1+1 Medallion mod speakers. I used all Counterpoint (SA3, SA5, SA220) with VPI/Koetsu Black Goldline. I had a large room for my listening. And they were extraordinary. The only reason I finally sold them was because of the low end. It had some, but you couldn't listen to large scale orchestra (my staple) without turning the volume down as things picked up, especially at the low end.

    • @samuelcain5426
      @samuelcain5426 Před 6 měsíci +1

      I sadly regret selling my Acoustat 2+2's for that same reason one of the best speakers I ever heard I was using Mark Levinson 380s preamp with Levinson 336 amp 350 8 ohms 700 4 ohms now I have Martin Logan CLS with SVS sealed subs hard combination to beat but is wish I had my 2+2's now.

    • @Reyfox1
      @Reyfox1 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@samuelcain5426 believe me, I feel your pain! The Acoustats (at least the 1+1, and 2+2's) were great sounding. I had the 1+1's while also having the Von Schweikert vr4's. The VR4's were more dynamic and handled large scale orchestral music better, especially in the low end. So, I sold the 1+1's since I wasn't listening to them any more. In a way, glad I did. I would have to had custom crates built to ship them to Poland. The VR4's survive the trip wonderfully.

  • @rhclark6530
    @rhclark6530 Před 7 měsíci

    I had the same reaction to the Quads when I picked up a pair in the late 80s. I have to this day, never heard midrange reproduction that was so vividly alive and real. But I blew the pair up in short order. I don't recall why I didn't get them rebuilt. I should have.

  • @jimdemetri8168
    @jimdemetri8168 Před 6 měsíci +5

    I'm a, professional sound engineer. Ask anyone in my field about bose and they will laugh.

  • @jb.2986
    @jb.2986 Před 7 měsíci

    Thanks for your perspective on these various speakers, Adrian. We still have our original Carver Amazing Silvers (that have since been recapped) in our system. Agree about the bass response but a good subwoofer makes up for that. This speaker needs a ton of power and we use the MA12000 by McIntosh to wake this speaker up. It's imaging when set up correctly and ribbons with it's natural voice sound and amazing piano reproduction is still hard to beat in our fam. Give it another go. And thanks for the reviews. BTW, Really enjoy the good, the bad, and the ugly series. Enjoy the music, powerfully, accurately, ...and loudly my friend. 🙂

    • @adrianlow2114
      @adrianlow2114 Před 7 měsíci +1

      You're likely right. I didn't have a big room, and the power amp was the original Adcom GFA 555. One day I'm sure I'll get a pair in