“Everyone’s a feminist until it’s time to split the bill.”
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- čas přidán 23. 01. 2024
- Single man who goes by "WaterBoy" on TikTok posted a video that went viral about his date with a girl who got mad at him for asking to split the bill
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Assumed feminist; Tinder isn’t known for nice, conservative, girl next door you take home to mom.
My husband took me to an expensive restaurant on our first date - even tho I was 4 years older and deeper into my career and making more money than he was - he paid EVERYTIME. While engaged, We lived off of his income while saving the entirety of mine for the down payment on our home. 5 years later and I’m a full-time homemaker and Mom to our two children.
great
A man should NEVER marry a female older than him. You control and dominate him. It is not Gods order.
So the money you spent on your liberal 'Gender Studies' college degree was wasted?
Did you pay your student loans, or are you still waiting for Bumbling Biden to excuse them.
Nice anecdote
but are you saying a gal
should marry any guy
who first offers to pay?
@@bumpercoach She's saying she has a functioning, cohesive marriage that operates beautifully with split roles.
So do I.
Cope and seethe.
I went on a date a few weeks ago. I asked, I paid. Afterwards she did not respond to me at all. A friend of mine afterwards found out she was already going out with another guy. So I just go taken for a free meal. Its not the money. As a guy I hate being played as the sucker. This is not the first time.
Just assume that the woman is juggling multiple men. Smart men do not date anymore.
As a woman, i support you. Its crazy out here
You really have to find a woman that you have been observing her character/integrity/work ethic for severalllll months.
And then at such time, ask her out
This is why we have to be involved in the community to be around people for a good period of time before asking them out. This really applies to men
@@glevandoyeah smart men make sure they don’t breed! Especially if they’re Whites! Blacks are gonna take your women ahahahahahah!!!
@@jacqueline8566I agree. My husband and I were just friends for six months before I told him I was interested in him romantically and then he asked me out.
People could avoid a lot of drama if they stopped dating complete strangers. Why even ask someone on a date before you know what their character is like? There’s a lot of single people online with different personality disorders.
Paying the bill should be established first and foremost. Too many people taking advantage of others. Not right.
Culturally 50/50 should be the norm, since feminism is the norm
Agreed. I think my bf now husband paid first date, I paid second, etc. At least go Dutch. I would not want a man thinking I owe home something cause he bought be a steak.
She went on tinder and swiped a match. How is this "him asking her out"? Sounds mutual to me.
Indeed. Like her content, but she misses the point here.
At the same time, there's a lot of videos out there of women taking absolute advantage of the man who took them out. Racking up hundreds of dollars of wine and expensive seafood that he's on the hook for. There's women on camera saying the man has to pay AT LEAST $200 for dinner on the first date. Our culture is broken right now and there's a lot of entitled women these days. Either first dates should be (temporarily) relegated to coffee shops or inexpensive restaurants, perhaps buffets, OR a spending limit needs to be hashed out beforehand.
I dont think it matters if the girl was a Feminist or not; she receives the benefits of it so she shouldnt expect the privileges of traditionalism. I hold women to a different standard now, if she messes up, that's on her. Responsibilities come with power, and if you can't handle it, then go somewhere else.
Separate checks is the most fair. She pays for her stuff & he pays for his stuff. It’s not complicated but women make it complicated because they’re giving up a benefit. Women wanted equality!
My wife pays Everytime...with my money
😂😂😂
As it should be.
Don't make a dinner your first date. Choose something simple and cheap or free. A good date doesn't have to spend money!
Whoever asked you out should pay but women never ask men out. Women in there 20s make more money than men. One-third of women admit going on dates with men they have no interest in just for the free food.
100%
If a woman knows she is not interested in a man and is using him only as a food date, then she should not accept the date for any reason. It is wrong. It is not morally correct to use someone.
@@citrinedreaming Let me repeat, WOMEN DON'T ASK MEN OUT. There would be no relationships if men did not ask women out. Most women are men with vaginas. They compete with men for high paying jobs but then they want men to pay. They don't get married or have children until they are in there 30s. I'm not paying for a woman's decade plus of being a fun girl.
Yes, I had that same thought (that women rarely ask men out). Using the host's rule, men will continue to be taken advantage of. Foodie dates are a common dating strategy for women. It keeps their bellies full (and boy do they have bellies) and their food budget down.
@@sylviacalderon2180 Modern women don't care. There are no consequences for them, just rewards. They get free meals and experiences at the expense of a man/men they don't find sexually attractive. When the date is done, then call up the guy/guys they want to sleep with to come around late at night/early morning. Morality means nothing without consequences for violating such morals.
This is my bad date experience. I was an early 40s solo mother. A friend tried to set me up with a friend of a friend. We texted. He was older (almost 50), no kids and on a really really good income, with his own house and business.
He asked me out for lunch. He chose the place and time and I turned up on time. We had a really great date, we got on really well.
At the restaurant, due to not having much money I only ordered a side and a juice, just in case I had to pay (because you never know). He ordered a main and an alcoholic drink.
At the end of the date, he said to me "Shall we just go halves?". I was flabbergasted!! I didn't know if he was trying not to offend me (totally possible), but I was SUPER OFFENDED!!! I was in shock, trying to be polite and didn't know what to say so I just agreed (I didn't want to be a tight arse or argumentative)... and I hoped for the best. But I ended up paying MORE than cost of just my own meal and drink. So basically I subsidised his meal 😵💫 Yes, he ate of behalf a solo mother 😵💫
I was NOT IMPRESSED and drove home in shock, trying to fathom what had just happened.
Needless to say, there was NO SECOND DATE, even tho he tried a few times 😒
The next guy I met paid for everything without a second thought, he was a total gentleman. We've now been together 4 years and sometimes we split the bill, but often he just gets up and pays before I have a chance to even think about it 💘💘💘 I really appreciate that because he's showing that wants to look after me ❤️
Why should Men pay for everything?
@@chuck1052The literal job of a man is to provide and protect his wife and kids. Women receive and men give. When a woman gets married, the traditional thing was that a woman stayed home with her children and care for the home. She gives up her looks and often normal function of her body to birth those beautiful babies, and it is stressful day in and day out. It can certainly be overwhelming if there are multiples. It’s always worth it, but she gives up her life to cook and clean, and assist you with your life outside of the home. She deals with screaming, yelling, fighting, vomiting, kids peeing in weird places, poop, cleaning constantly, hardly getting a break to even shower, and being needed constantly. That isn’t even all a woman may do if she stays home. Then, she gives up most ability for most interaction with anyone but kids. The woman was made for the man and a gift to him. Men are intended to serve, but women are meant to help that man fulfill his duties as a man. She gives everything she has and it is tiring and a 24/7 job. Not all women do this, but there are women who do. Feminism lied to women who are often miserable and lonely and don’t realize it. A woman is meant to be provided for in order to stay home with her kids. It’s telling if a man refuses to pay on a date and often they expect sex. So men want women to pay and bear the brunt of the responsibility when it comes to likely children with sex before marriage. She also deals with the loneliness of next to no help and no one to love her and help her raising the kids she didn’t make alone. Dating culture today is gross. We should get back to courting and not sleeping with anyone before marriage. We also need to ban porn. I’d guess most of the men that have an issue with this don’t have the best job and also are addicted to porn and potentially drinking and being selfish.
I bet he was also not impressed.
I shit test women with how they behave when it comes to paying the bill.
Just assume that I will pay and not even make an effort, or not split the bill when we go for some cocktails afterwards - you 're out! If you treat me worse then you would treat a friend, you're a worthless human being.
No surprise that 50+ yr old guy is single and childless. It’s a type. Glad you met somebody great!
@@chuck1052should men and women not play different roles?
I would say - if you ever go out with someone else is paying the bill - you do not order what they are not. So - if they are not running up an alcohol tab, or ordering extras - nor should you. You should respect your hosts behavior -as being indicative of your own. This includes dates. It sounds like she ordered an appetizer - when he did not, and was clear he was not... so - she broke the basic respect of host.
I would also ask - how was the date arranged... did he ask her out - or did he suggest that he would be open to dinner?
The fact that she got offended was evidence that she was a feminist because only a feminist would get offended by a man splitting the bill. A traditional woman would shrug it off to "Well, he's just following the modern dating rules."
4:03 If you asked a family out for lunch would you assume since you asked the family that you had to pay? I ask this because I asked a family out to lunch (husband, wife, and 4 teenage kids) and I had to pay the whole bill. In a romantic setting I have always paid however, this idea of who ever asked seems to be crossing over into every day friendships.
Wow did they really expect you to pay? What did they do when the bill came?
I've never regarded paying the bill on a date as being a big deal either way. I think the man should be willing to pay the check, especially if he initiated the date and chose the restaurant. At the same time, I think the woman should also offer to share the check and pay her half. (At that point, the man might offer to pay the check and suggest that the woman pay for a round of drinks, add a tip to the dinner bill, etc.) The point is that both sides should show some good will as a courtesy to the other person. It's like a dance where both sides are working together. If the cost of the dinner is really a burden, then it's better to choose a less expensive restaurant. The fact that both the man and the woman have invested their time and energy into the date should be more important than the cost of the dinner.
In this case, I think the man is being petty and immature by refusing to pay the check. At the same time, the woman is also being petty and self-centered for complaining about having to pay her share. Maybe they deserve each other.
Her reaction was very telling. Seems like the guy dodged a missile. Never pay for a first, second, or third date because you don't know this person. I went on a date with this girl and she just casually mentioned that she was seeing her FWB later that evening. This is the caliber of women out there today.
While you may save money by splitting the check with these girls, you’ll put off any high quality women with this strategy. Maybe vet people more before asking them on a date?
@@CHK12319You are assuming there are high quality women out there.
@@aztec0112 there are. They may be in limited supply, but I know of several in my social circle. Don’t date if u hate women and have such a bleak outlook. I’d say the same to man-hating feminists.
@@CHK12319if a girl is into you, she wouldnt care about it.... Women give it away for free to Chad and now you have to plan her dinner and be her clown just to have an oportunity pffff. Modern women are not traditional inocent virgins
Dunno, I preferred it when I was single. It takes any preconceived notions of being owed each other anything other than our time to get to know each other.
I paid and drove on my first date with my husband. I am now a SAHM. Yes he did have to persuade me as I had some reservations about it but I love it most of the time.
His first mistake was finding his date on an app. That literally turns women, and men, into nothing more than a menu item. His second mistake was "all feminists". His third was "I didn't want the appetizer". Once again, you're 100% correct on this. Those who disagree with you have been brainwashed into accepting society as it is without having the motivation to change what they can. Before my husband and I got romantically involved I pledged to God that I would not influence the relationship in the way that I wanted it to go. That I would 100% let him lead. We will be celebrating 7 years in February, and we have three kids ages 4 to 18m.
Where do find quality people nowadays? work, church maybe a good place? But there are risks. As a man if your rejected asking someone out in these communities it can make for a very awkward environment afterwards. Or worse yet the budding relationship takes a bad turn he could be ostracized or stigmatized ( whereas you may be forced to find a new job or new church?)-There's the old adage "Never stick your pen in the company ink."
@@sitka49 "As a man if your rejected asking someone out in these communities it can make for a very awkward environment afterwards." With experience you can predict rejection. The best way is to talk to woman first in a friendly way , her body language is going to tell you what are the chances of rejection. The rejection is only possible when you ask her out or ask her about her phone number. During conversation you can find out if she's actually single (Do you prefer to go to cinema with your boyfriend or alone ?) . After 5 min. you can read the room , is she smiling and looking at you or she's checking her smartphone etc.
@@gottrekk5798 Ok , You ask her out and get a date or 2 and she decided this isn't going to work or the date goes bad? Not only are you rejected now but dumped also. Your still in that community? Best case you need to be around the person that rejected, dumped you and the stressful and contention that will go with that being in that Work ,church - body of people, or worst case to be vilified to any other potentially dating prospects? - People talk.
@@sitka49 in my opinion men are rejecting women more often than women rejecting men. I know that people online are constantly saying that all women have many options. It's not true, women hate dating apps and sometimes even the most attractive women don't have a single approach for a month.
Anyway, she doesn't want to continue dating that you move to the next woman. Generally speaking women need 3-4 months of dating to fall in love or break up. That's why many relationships last 3-6 months.
@@gottrekk5798 Of course men don't approach women, who wants to get caught up in the possibility and trouble of harassment?
And women can full vet a man for income family origin, criminal active ( at least women don't have to worry as much if someone is a rapist or stocker.) before a first date may take place. Who needs a date when you know everything about him before it happens especially his income? And now men on the other hand can pacify their sexual urges with video gaming, porn, and , pot?
There is no longer the instance where a young man has to strategize over a week in class to talk, flirt , and woo a girl he likes into a date on Friday nor is there the instance where a girl dresses cute, and flirting,and gives subtle hints. Flirting now, it is now cold callus, and removed, and digital,and it's often done while sitting on the toilet.
she isn't pained with the chore of turning a man down in person now they just simply don't respond to the message in their inbox and the man on the opposite end isn't too terribly offended.
and also there is now 2 women for every 1 man seeking advanced degrees. 50 yrs ago it was the other way around and women now on average between the ages of 21 and 29 make $1300 more than their male counterparts.
Women are roughly twice as likely as men to say that they will value financial viability in a man.
For him to increase his rating on a 10-point scale by two points he requires around a tenfold increase in his salary.
For a woman to achieve the same two point Improvement on a 10-point scale in a salary would need to increase it by 10,000 times. A woman is more concerned about a partner's socioeconomic status. It's called Female hypergamy
REally DISAGREE with Suzanne about paying on the first date. -- On a first date there is NO relationship. Its basically an "interview" to determine if there is any basis for a relationship. too many broads are using first dates for a free meal/free drinks, even if she has no real interest in the dude for a relationship.
Now, if there is a 2nd - or subsequent dates - that is different. Sure, let the dude pay. But not on the "interview date".
So many moving parts with this example. While it is common practice for the person asking to do the paying in any situation; in a business context, taking parents out for a special occasion, treating a person who has come into town, expressing appreciation as a guest, but it is along those same lines of etiquette, that the "guest" of the "host" doesn't order the most expensive thing on the menu. Which seems to be his beef. I have rarely been out to a dinner where the appetizer was not discussed and agreed upon before ordering, as it is meant to be shared. I think her actions and attitude influenced his splitting the bill decision.
Love it!
Disagree that the person who asks the other out should _always_ pay fully for the date. Men ask women out 95+% of the time, so under this rule, men would basically always pay.
I do believe the man should pay for a non-expensive first date to establish frame and leadership, with subsequent dates generally 50-50.
That is what my partner & I did for years. She would tell me “if you bring the food, I will prepare the meal” so we have done that some. Most of the time now she pays for groceries and prepares the meal at her house and I pay when we go out.
But early on it was always 50/50. I had had enough of foodie dates and worthless women seeking entertainment on my dime.
We are in the era of equality. Everyone pays for their own meals. A woman going on a date should not be entitled to a man to pay for her meal. Is she there for the food or to learn about the man? You can't have women be both equal to men and not equal to men based on women's desires; this is chaos and confusion.
Great way to kill polarity and attraction
@@CHK12319 For her, maybe, if she's materialistic. Best to vet and find out early before you invest too much time and money into a woman like that
@@Raymond7779 it’s not materialistic to want a provider man in marriage. It’s in the best interest of your family structure and children’s outcomes.
Women’s role in society has evolved and so should dating. If you truly want equality then fully embrace it.
Young men today take it literally that men are women are equal
He might have a Female Boss at work who makes more than him.
So, he feels like a woman is like a male friend.
I don't think the young generation understands the history of feminism and dating. so both sides have it all wrong. when couples go on dates they are trying to get to know each other, also some women are trying to figure out if this potential man could possibly be a husband. would he be able to maintain the home if she was pregnant and could not work. men want soft women when to many can't make women feel safe, comfortable, or confident in the relationship. back in the 50's most women had men that took pride in being head of the household.
Everyone is a feminist until someone breaks in. Funny how no married couple needs to have that conversation. We all know then men are going.
Women will say this is a non issue, bc it happens so infrequently. But it does happen. Four of us when to the city to skate the canals, when an obviously irate man in a bedsheet was yelling loudly and gesturing wildly and walking quickly towards us. It was obvious this not a time for diplomacy. I muttered something along the lines of "wtf" and stepped towards him. I heard my wife softly call my name behind me. The irate man touches my arm and says"Don't" before he got distracted and hurried across the street.
I mean you can certainly believe in equality and still recognize a lot of men are stronger than women. I deserve the same rights as my husband even if he stands a better chance against and intruder 😂
@@Kia-iq7dh define equality. How are women not equal? 🤣
@@practicallyheidi8505 Where did I say they weren't? You're the one implying you can't be a feminist if a man ever protects you from an intruder LOL
@@Kia-iq7dh You didn't define what you mean by equality and now I want to know what you mean by feminist. Definitions matter. Feminism, the idea that women should be in power in all social structures (my definition) is destroying the family structure (divorce rate, child being raised by single mothers), men (suicide rates), and women (levels of antidepressant use). Only when we go back to traditional male female roles will we reverse these things. I am an atheist so I am not approaching this from a religious viewpoint. Traditional roles worked for millennia. Only in the last 100 years have we began to destroy our very society and happiness with these harmful ideas. I am a part time EBD teacher, I was a SAHM for 20 years. Not a single one of my kiddos has a dad in their life. The schools can fix these kids. We need men ! Men are the glue in our society. Every woman I know is unhappy. Every, single, one. They bought a lie. They need to get out of the workforce, work on their marriage and families. It is what women were meant to do.
If he shouldn't make assumptions, then perhaps she shouldn't assume he would pay? Am I wrong here?
Pay if you ask a girl out. Just don’t take her to an expensive place on the first date. Let her earn top notch treatment.
A guy can pay on the first date (within limits), but he should use it as a shit test for the woman he is dating.
When someone invites someone else …they are expected to pay always ….and I will never go out with a man that does not pay for the date . I am not romancing any “ man” . I rather stay single forever than pay for a man’s vacation or food . AMERICAN MEN ARE NOT MARRIAGE MATERIAL …..my roots are from EUROPE SO THINGS ARE VERY CLEAR OF WHAT MEN SHOULD ALWAYS DO ….THERE ARE NO CONFUSIONS WHATSOEVER.
If you ask the person out then you pay. That has 0 to do with feminism.
If you both match on a dating app and agree to meet on a restaurant....who pays?
I make more than my fiance, but he paid for the first date and has paid since. My thought was that if I'm not interested in another date- then I'll pay. But if I am interested in him and marry him, he is getting the better end of the deal financially. He should pay now, at least.
She just jumped the gun and assumed the man jumped the gun. Argh!
Suzanne, did you watch his response video in the link you provided? He said towards the end of the video that he wants a nurturing women (not a feminist) and for that type of women he will pay for everything financially.
I would argue that it does not matter whether this individual woman was a feminist or not. We now live in a world of 'equality', if she does not like that she should take it up with the 'sisterhood'. You women made these 'rules', deal with it or watch MGTOW grow. For what it's worth, I agree with you, but that's not the world that we live in now. The traditional 'date' is dying, it is becoming solely extended foreplay.
I definitely agree. If a man wants to lead, then lead. If he wants to perpetuate a woman being independent on not relying on him then don’t get upset when a woman doesn’t want to be submissive and take care you in return, and fulfill the role she was designed for when you as a man won’t do the same. I’ve never had a guy ask me to pay for a date that I can recall. I didn’t go on tons of dates, but this was never an issue. I can say I always felt weird with my dates. I think people date too much. Just wait for someone that you can get to know a bit that you see often or can see often without spending a bunch of money, and then eventually ask on a date if interested and things click. Most guys also expect to have sex too. Though he didn’t say, was he expecting more too or was he going to wait until marriage for that. Doubtful. We need to get back to waiting until marriage for sex and proper courting. Most dating sites are being used to hookup, including and especially Tinder. It’s strictly a looks based app. It’s like one of the most minimal effort apps you can use for dating.
Dear Susan, you cannot assume that’s what he assumed that she’s a feminist. The thing is they were only them 2 having a conversation based on that he determined that she was one . Nowadays women take so much vantage of men on foodie dates. look into that.
You’re foreign. Leave.
Feminism is the female psycho state empowered.
@@but_iWantedTo_speakGerman lol
" ... until it's time to split the bill." Call me old-school or a dinosaur or whatever, but as far as I'm concerned, there's never a time to split the bill. I'm a man, and if I'm sitting across the table from a woman, the check is mine. Male privilege -- I embrace it.
You are such a good boy.
Perhaps you don't qualify for male privilege.@@wolfgangkranek376
You should look up the concept of a "foodie call"
I think the generational bias is coming through in this analysis. Those of us who are 40 and over aren't often aware enough that Tinder is not the same dating environment that we grew up in in the 70s and '80s and '90s. When women take dates on tinder they understand that the guys they are going out with may go on 15-20 dates per month, and the man always asks for the date -- with a woman wouldn't go. In an environment like that if women were never expected to split the cost of the date, Tinder would essentially be a way for women to fish for free meals, which for many women it is. Us older people have to remember that this is a different environment and we often don't have the tools to evaluate it as well as we think we do.
15-20 dates a month??!! WTF?
@@audreywineland1426 😆 sometimes I am amazed at his success.
Don't assume anything about anyone, except she assumed he should pay the bill in it's entirety. "Whoever asked the other one out should pay" doesn't work because women by and large do not ask men out. Their version of asking men out is to give "choosing signals" and then try to move the conversation to get him to ask. Which means that women never have to pay for their end of the date because they refuse to ask. If the asking out was left to women we would go extinct. Too many women say yes to going on dates with men, under the presupposition that he will pay for it, while having no interest in the man, just so they can have a free meal. Many women have admitted to this on social media. We can't take women at face value anymore over it because too many of us have been taken advantage of in this way. In the way that women don't want to be used for sex, men do not want to be used for their wallets.
What this all comes down to is "the man has to pay no matter what" which inherently says that the woman's time is worth more than the man's. Which then means that we aren't "equals". If the dating to get the relationship is going to cost more of my time (what I use to get money) then, for everything to be "fair" I would get more say over what happens around the relationship, because that would be fair relative to what I am investing into it right from the start. Or are we intentionally going for something that isn't 50/50 fair?
You don't get to be in this feminist, female central, benefitting all women society where you want to be equals in every way, get paid the same amount while getting way more privileges than any man and get to demand that men be traditional in every sense and pay for everything. The whole approach of men paying for the date comes from a time when women didn't have working rights. The men had to pay because the women didn't have jobs or income, so the men had to pay for everything. You all have working rights now. So why not pay for the equality that apparently women wanted so badly? You don't get to choose which parts of the equality you want and not get the parts you don't like with it.
So ladies, when men don't want to pay for the entire first date, you know who to blame. It's all the women who have taken men for a ride.
Every relationship is built around communication. Everyone comes to the table with known and sometimes unknown assumptions.
Both parties could've communicated their viewpoints and expectations much better. If the person who makes the date clearly indicates what they're willing to pay for up front then the issue can be resolved one way or another without incident.
How she reacted to the situation also could've been better. Instead of becoming upset she could've remained calm, split the bill or not, explained her decision and left. This gentleman may have been in toxic relationship(s) before and could be testing her. Who knows? Either way, sounds like they both figured out very quickly they were not a good match for each other.
He is wrong because not every woman is a feminist. Just like not every male is a chauvinist. I hope they both find partners that they can openly and honestly communicate with (and be heard by). Which may take some time and self-growth emotionally and mentally.
The “strong women” really are trying to ruin things for us normal traditional women lol.
Dinner dates are reserved for couples IMO.
Sounds like women just value money
The best way to avoid it is to not go on dinner dates with anyone who has a smartphone on them. In the age of social media, who knows what the consequences of a quiet meal could be?
Said a woman who has never been used for a foodie date… how about Traditional women funding a gofundme for the traditional guys who paid for the date when the woman was only going for free food… never intending to have any relationship at all…
This lady has lost her mind 😂. This is why dudes aren't asking girls out anymore.
Everytime I had good chemistry, we were arguing over who was paying cause we both wanted To. Find one like that.
I love what you are doing and I am thankful women like you exist there is not many of you you make me happy cause what you teach
Nope! Not paying on a first date. Once I know she is conservative and long-term relationship material, then I can start investing in that relationship, but not before. Only then, she will be able to "receive with graciousness" and just smile and say thank you. Up to that point, we are just getting to know each other, and as much as she might know her worth I know mine too. Men are simply meal-tickets nowadays, unless they are on the top 10% of looks and/or resources department(s). It's just the reality.
It doesn't matter whether she's a feminist or not. Always split the bill, fellas. She's not even your girl yet, why are you giving her girlfriend treatment?
This is interesting. Things are evolving so the rules of equality are changing. Women are equal to men and men are equal to women. Therefore it doesn't matter if the man asked her out and she accepted, or if she asked him out and he accepted, whe the bill comes she will pay for herself and he will pay for his part of the bill or he will pay for his bill and she will pay for her part of the bill. Let's not pay for things when its convenient for the woman to pay or not to pay. Feminism means women are equally responsible for everything.
It sounds like you have fully accepted feminism and live like you are a male feminist yourself. Am I wrong?
I grew up in Northern Europe where feminist ideology was pushed hard on the population 20 years before it became mainstream in America. However, I never accepted it and made it my world view. Feminism is a man made ideology based on lies, it’s not based on reality, so why would you accept it? Women accept feminism because they become believers in it (women are more gullible). However, most men are more sceptical and can see through propaganda that women will swallow.
I don’t understand why Millennial and Gen Z men are accepting feminism when they are aware it’s a lie?
My husband is Gen X and did not buy into feminism. I will raise my Gen Alpha sons to reject feminism and stick to what is true. Feminism is filled with lies.
It’s sad to see that most Millennial and Gen Z men can see through the bullshit but still orient their lives according to feminist ideology. Why do you choose to participate in the lie?
I’m a Millennial woman by the way and I’m not a feminist. I’m traditional and conservative and I grew up in a very liberal environment. Our environment does not have to determine how we orient our lives.
This here, guys.@@thefuturista7836
Good observation, Ma'am.
I think so many women don't want to feel obligated or feel like they should give into his premature desires just because he's paid for 6 or 7 dinners and whatever else he paid for on those dates.
How are women called that get payed for their time and company?
Garden tool!
Exactly. I wouldn't want someone paying for me with the exception that I owe him s$x later on down the line.
Christ was MONK, he knew what they are. Avoid, avoid, avoid.
Just like you can not pick and chose feminism nor can you pick pieces of chivalry. If you are not traditional (I.e. a virgin being given away) then do not assume that you should be treated that way.
Like you ladies have to LOVE, HONOR and OBEY or brake out your purses.
On our first date 15 years ago my husband asked me to buy some drinks and I was outraged . I did it but I was cross and I wasn't going to see him again.
We are now married with 5 kids but I very nearly didn't see him again
I can see where the gentleman was coming from. If you don't need a man, pay your half. Yet it seems he is looking for a traditional woman. I hope he finds her.
And I think if a woman throws a hissy fit pertaining to money, it had to be a feminist 😂😅😂😅
These buffet feminists are hilarious 😊
Bad take Suzanne
I agree with the perspective that men and women are different and that it’s best that kids are raised by a biological parent, but outside of that I don’t know why you fantasize this return to traditionalism. I mean I don’t know the more I hear about whats expected of men the more I’m glad traditional roles are dropping. We just need men’s to go now too. I love my wife and we have a somewhat traditional relationship but I’d gladly work 40 hours and do some chores rather than 60 and just be a provider. Plus all the chivalrous stuff that’s expected? Nowadays it just all comes across as woman worshipping and kinda like simping
The point you are missing is women are rating men on their willingness to be taken advantage of. Men should not expect a women that are not interested in them period and just want to go out for free food. If a man asks a women out then he has to judge her character to see if she is just using him to get what she wants. This is why men are not making efforts to even date women anymore.
I think that man is rude you pay as the man every time if you realize your values don’t align you go your separate ways and hold your integrity and self respect high
It’s about equal rights-not equality obligations.
Second, feminism isn’t about equality, it’s about seeking an unfair advantage.
There is a reason it's called feminism and and equalism mmm
it sounds like he wanted to make a viral video. so he used this date to prove his point so he gets his face out there. I think its lame to record someone without their permission
Agree.
If it's just a "getting to know you" date, it's dutch, there's no 5exual expectations so no paying.
Are u implying a woman should sleep with a man just because he paid $20-$40 on a meal? I’d like to think most woman know they’re worth a bit more than that
Ouch... You've only spoken
for the top rare % of
actually love connection
situations... You need
to have REAL SOLUTIONS
that will fit MOST
situations not
just sub5%
Suzanne, unfortunately most younger men under 25 were raised to believe that men and women are exactly the same and are truly equal. Collectively, they sincerely believe in the feminist way and its too late to change their collective minds.
No, it’s not too late. Give people time to grow and naturally come to learn more about the real world, and start to question the narratives they were fed. It happens to all of us.
@venti3137 I understand your point when comes to individuals realizing such things, but when the collective society raises two whole generations of young men to think like women, it's going to take a very long time for that to happen. Most younger men we see are going to identify with feminist for life and it's going to take a revolution to change them collectively :(
Yeah you’re probably right. I guess that means that most men and women under 25 are both feminists even if they’re unaware of it. 😏 They swallowed the propaganda.
We’ll just have to raise up the next generation to be completely different. I’m definitely raising my generation Alpha kids according to traditional values and teaching them that both feminism and gender ideology etc. are man made ideologies based on lies.
We are very different by nature and that’s a good thing. I’m teaching my kids biology, not ideologies.
First.. you have to ask, how did they get that way and second, anyone can change.... and does. I am not the same at 63 than I was at 23. 😊
Men see the world as it is...
Actually the date did go well for him - he dodged a bullet.
And that she was even making this public on social media tells all you need to know about her.
She didn’t make it public. He did. He set it up for clicks. Quality guy.
@@audreywineland1426 Makes no sense what you are saying. How should he have known about it if she hadn't made it public in the first place?
I’m not sure what you are saying. She did not post the interaction on social media. He filmed it (presumedly without her knowledge) and then he posted it on social media. How is this her making it public?
If she was wife material, she would have quietly split the bill and happily parted ways afterwards, glad to dodge the bullet and continue her search.
The fact that they both went off on individual tantrums tells me neither is marriage material. So why are they "dating" anyway? Go join a sex club or hook up with randoms at a bar. Why pretend.
This 👏🏼👏🏼
Exactly 👆
A man like that should not go on a date with a woman until determining her values through the dating website first.
He doesn't actually sound like he wants a traditional woman, he just sounds like he wants a modern woman so he can save money by splitting bills.
If he was looking for a traditional woman, he would ask questions to get to know her before the date so he can see whether or not he wants to pay for this woman's dinner or not
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Mgtow is growing for a reason
Another 💯 video by you Suzanne 👏🏼
A woman who agrees with not having to pay. I wonder why you would agree with a perspective that solely benefits you?
Suzanne has good takes, but not this time. Men are expected to ask the woman out (as it should be), so her rule really means the man should always pay. I do, for a not expensive first date, and thereafter its going to be 50-50. You can thank the movement for the women for all this confusion.
Sorry
Your obsolete advice
is from when a decent
date could cost sub$20
and a fancy one not
much over $50 rather
than current 100$ and
social media means
she can be rostering
... actually by letting
him pay she's allowing
overintimacy which would
be cheating when she's
married... best to have
inexpensive get-to-know
activities and hold off
on expectation making
til there's a clear connection
gentlemen should offer to pay for the meal, and let the ladies know in advance that you got it.
if she shows you appreciation for your kind gesture, you know what you got.
if she doesn't, then it's a cheap price to pay to find that out sooner rather than later.
Absurd
Your wrong on this one. Women are offended if you do not treat them equally. 2 EQUAL people pay for whatever they choose to eat. We learned this rule from women. If I ask a person if they want to eat together somewhere, they say yes or no. If they say yes, we meet there and no one pays for the other persons check at all. Feminism changed this when it came to asking if a woman wants to meet somewhere and eat or talk. Remember, we are going by "I don't need no man for nothing rules." Until women change this, we will go by feminist rules.
What you are talking about is probably 100% true if you date liberal women.
95% of us women who follow Suzanne’s channel however are traditional or conservative women so we live in a completely different reality.
I personally don’t know why any young man even bothers to date liberal young women. This group of women is the group who will absolutely leave you for a new guy once she becomes bored or “isn’t happy anymore”. Liberal feminist women are not good girlfriend/wife material so why not avoid them altogether? 🤷🏼♀️
Glad I found a traditional man… a lot of us do not want this feminine BS.
Why would a Chad pay. He has tons of options. Since all women deserve better than average men the only reason a woman would go out with a man is to get free food. Guys dont be a chump
And until it's time to answer your draft notice.
Asking someone out means you took a risk and therefore paid a price, and the receiver just sits back and relaxes. Then, for some reason, we all just agreed that the asker should pay again, the cost of the date. Something is wrong here.
THere is more to this story and you CHOOSE to miss it - you state that he is making an assumption that she is Feminist, maybe he is, but isn't she making an assumption that he is paying? He may have asked her out but in 2023/2024 does that imply that he pays - I personally don't think so, equal rights etc. Also, seeing how someone reacts to ordering food, dining and bill paying are another way of assessing others. She is not a princess to be taken care off, certainly not on the first date.
I think the three reasons you give are fair - especially if you ask someone out, you buy the meal/drink to "compensate" the other person for being willing to take time out of their day to spend time with you. Its an elegant bit of social etiquette, something the split 50/50 crowd miss.
HOWEVER, you missed out the one point why the man should do this - to TEST the woman to see if she is relationship material by seeing if she recepricating. If she doesn't, he can walk away free and clear because he paid pn the date so he doesn't owe her anything.
I'm teaching my two boys that they pay when they take a young lady out. Why? From my perspective it's two things; first, if she is a quality girl she will spend a decent amount of money keeping herself looking attractive- be it clothes, makeup, etc. We know there are societies expectations of what an attractive woman looks like, but I would like to know (as my sons should!) that the women they will date will make an effort for my son's. An effort costs money, more money than what my son's have to put into their appearance for sure! The second part is that long term, women give up a whole lot especially if they are to be traditional wives (which im raising my boys to value). They will give up careers and the income that comes with that, give up their figures and energy when having kids etc. Therefore a bit of money spent early on in dating when taking a women out is the least a man can do to get the relationship off on the right track.
That's a bit much to be looking forward to for a first date, nobody should be thinking about marriage, kids and who's going to sacrifice what on the first date!
You live in a different world...
This is why other communities grow faster.... You guys are so out of touch with reality.
Bad advice for men.... It doesn't take into account the new realities men encounter.
‘Never assume anything about anybody.’ Why not? She assumed she was getting fed for free. All’s fair in love and war.
I think it’s possible to be a feminist and also be able to use that first date exactly as you said to evaluate a partner based on him asking you out and then paying because it indicates how much he is willing to show up in terms of emotionally/energetically and also materially. If he asked, he should pay (and if she asked, she should pay). Obviously the showing up for each other should be reciprocal in a healthy relationship (and no relationship is ever always you give 50 and I give 50). For that reason I don’t think the issue here is feminism, rather it is unsaid, unmet, and unexplained expectations
They're both on tinder. She swiped. How is this an automatic " he asked her out"? It's mutual.
@@Neoteny374 by that logic anyone saying yes to a date in any context ever should go halfsies (or pay for their own food), of course it’s mutual
@@citrinedreaming When a young man musters up the courage to ask the cute red-haired girl in the cafeteria out to the dairy twirl, he's got money. Mutually cruising the streets on tinder is something different. I do get what suzanne is saying though, he did loose the right to lead, and that would be important to me. But the world is upside down now.
Imagine what it must be like dating nowadays. 😳
Second reason is because it says alot about you ? Spoken like a true feminist, Suzanne we're at the point of no return. It's never going backtothe way it was, never, we ( men ) have been told for three to four generations that you don't need us. Well we heard you, now pay for your food. And at this point in time, all women observe or believe in most if not all tenements of feminism. There is no going back.
*tenets (not tenements)
Of course you meant tenets but tenements also works insightfully well
You men were never going to breed even if there was no Feminism.
If feminism is so bad then why in the world are you accepting it and going along with it?
Think about how quickly this ideology would die out if men stopped dating feminists altogether. Men have the power but act like they have to adapt to the woman’s world view. Women are more gullible than men, let us lead and it will only lead to bad things.
I’m a Millennial woman who grew up in Europe, feminism was pushed hard on the population but I never accepted it. My husband is Canadian and Gen X, he also never accepted feminism.
I don’t understand why so many men these days just play along with this stupid ideology. Why participate in the lie?
We’re never going back you say, well some of us never bought into this ideology in the first place. Propaganda is meant to be rejected not accepted.
I grew up in a very liberal country and I’m still not a feminist. My husband and I live life based on traditional gender roles because it works. Feminism is filled with lies and if you base your life on lies what’s the outcome going to look like? Chaos.