comparitive karate san chiem ( sanchin ) San zhan
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- At the Terry Wingrove organsied Budosai in 2007 Master Higoanna, Master Gushi, Master Chen and Master Pan performed their respective 3 Battles forms
For more information and clips of the events, see here www.cyberbudo.c... for more clips, with demos from all participants, and White crane Tao Lun from the 2 lineages.
In my book In my book www.fujianbaihe... there is a section where I discuss the connections between Goju Ryu, Euchi Ryu and the Yong Chun White Crane on display here.
NB commentry states Chen Jian Feng is Master Pan's student. This is not the case. Master Chen trained at a Wu Shu Guan in Da Yuan ( about 3 Km from Master Pan ) - but the 2 schools are well known to each other.
My Sensei likes to say there are no bad or good styles just bad or good teachers ... amazing to see four masters each showing the respective highlights of their styles
The first practitioner is Master Pan of Yong Chun Village and he is doing Yong Chun White Crane Sam Chien. The second one is from the next generation of students. I believe he trains with Master Pan's Son. Third is Shinyu Gushi doing Pangainoon Sanchin and Higaonna Morio doing Goju Ryu Sanchin.
Yong Chun Village is the birthplace of White Crane Boxing.
Wow, GM Gushi's son is my mechanic and was included in a number of GM Gushi's videotapes. Much respects to the GM as he has since passed. For those that live and breathe the martial arts for long periods of time, we should continue to show our respects and pay homage. Thank you for sharing this valuable moment in history.
This video is a real treasure! Four interpretations of the same foundational form in one place. It's fantastic!
Great video that is a journey through time from the oldest Chinese styles to the most modern Japanese (Okinawa) styles.
For the friend asking about the possible risks to health in performing Sanchin at a late age, it is not true, another “Karate urban legend” developed from unfounded beliefs published in a biased publication that rests merits to the Naha-Te based styles of Okinawan Karate. There has never been any serious medical research about the effects of Sanchin or any other Kata. My teacher practiced Sanchin kata until he died at the tender age of 91. His name was Yagi Meitoku Dai Sensei. Cheers.
Sanchin (as many other methods too) could do damage to health, if done wrong, maybe about a long time. If done right it supports health i think. Of course this opinion of mine isnt based on medical statistics, because as you say, there is no study about. But i have good anatomical and medical background and understanding of human body function due to my profession (as paramedic and naturopath). I did also practice kyokushin for 30 years before entering Meibukan Family. Differences in teaching and practicing Sanchin are HUGE i can tell you.
Therefore people need good teachers to learn this. You had one of them 😍
Great to see this comparison side by side. It would be interesting to see them apply their respective forms side by side.
So wonderful to see different masters performing San chin in their own interpretation and style
As a Goju Ryu person, thank you for this video, it is a high honor to see masters in the arts working as one Ooss...
Fascinating how the whole purpose of the form is completely different by the time it got from China to Karate. The original kung-fu form promotes power through relaxing and releasing, building chi. Karate on the other hand locks the core and does the opposite.
Thank you for posting such an incredible video of historic interest. I wish I was personally there to witness such a moment.
Absolutely beautiful... love seeing the different generations of this gorgeous kata. THANKS!
I love it! Sanchin
Beautiful...
Very interesting to see how different martial cultures and systems( i won't say styles, that word doesn't do justice) interpret the same kata/taolu. Just further evidence that the martial path is very much a personal and subjective experience. Each of these four masters would not be true to themselves if they did exactly like the others. OSU!
I've been looking for something resembling the crane forms my teacher taught, quite surprised to see such s
the second master's snchin looks most like our sanchin. They all look great, all that power in reserve... Much respect!
Muy interesante, poder visionar estas distintas interpretaciones de sanchin
Really interesting to see how different schools interpret this form! The third master performed what we learned (with a different emphasis on certain moves), but all 4 make a wider sanchin dachi than we are allowed (sometimes with a comment about being "open for attack"), but we are beginners, so we *have to be* a little more careful!
thank you very much for sharing this!
Hello, the original footage is with Terry Wingrove from cyberbudo
- you might try there. There are ways to save youtube clips to your local machine - you have to try google to find out how to do it.
Best Wishes,
Martin
@thedaoofplus1 Actually, the "hissing" comes from two things, neither related to "dragons." First, the tip of the tongue is pressed against the roof of the mouth on a particular vital point, the same as in Taijiquan. The difference is that Taijiquan tends to exhale through the nose, Karate exhales through the mouth.
Second, it deals with the speed of which you exhale and the size of the space from which it's being forced through.
It's a form of aerobic respiratory conditioning.
Thanks for posting this, I saw it on here before but it was taken down or removed.
One thing that is noticeable is that the Chinese san chin or sam chien are not soft technique or forms but involve intense power. I believe the 2nd master is that of Yong-Chun-Wuzuquan Pai.
What a GREAT Video! Im so grateful to whom ever was the person to get these masters together! The family of Classical Karate and Chinese Martial arts is VERY close. Yet many on both sides insist that they are not one in the same.
GREAT VIDEO!
The announcers sound like Golf commentators! Pretty awesome video though...very cool idea.
@MrBrokenwind There has been a noted health issue with many GojuRyu Karateka whom practice Sanchin the same way they did when they were twenty when they reach the their forties and fifties and having heart and blood pressure problems.
The problem is they are forgetting to develop their kata in response to their own body's changes. Imagine lifting 200lbs. Now imagine grandpa lifting a 200lbs barbell. The physical conditioning aspect needs to be tweaked as your grow older.
@sweetfly66 dont think - at least the way we do it, the breathing and tension ( or blood pressure ) changes are gradual not forced, so you can tone them down and still be doing them.
thanks fo that bit of information.
@dantankun
master chen is from the Da Yu Wu zu guan which is just a few kilometers from the ong gong shr wu shu guan in yong chun.
Very nice!
Pangai noon one is to me the perfect balance of hard and soft. Other ones were great but not as exactly balanced. Especially the Goju version that needs Tensho to balance it out.
Lucky they have tensho to balance it out then!
I understand it used to be a single kata, hard for rhe first half, soft for the second half, but that could just be a nice sounding story....
@@PKB239 I think the latter is the case, yes 😅
It's very cool to see different versions of Sanchin Kata all at the same time. It seems to me that Higaonna was leaning back a bit far when performing his Sanchin kata instead of standing straight.
Yes, he seemed to be breaking the golden rule of Sanchin of keeping your spine aligned
Sanchin dachi is the name of the stance(dachi) used in the Goju and Uechi versions, named likely after the form. I don't practice white crane so I don't know if they call it that or not.
The second master ( Chen Jian Feng ) does not train with the Pan family - he is of a slightly different ( but probably overlapping ) lineage.
Martin Watts
Epic!
@martinpaulwatts Dachi literally means "stand" or "stance." Sanchin Dachi is the "hourglass" stance in which one foot is stepped forward from a crescent step and the toes and feet are...for lack of better terminology, turned in.
Martin, thanks for your correction - if anyone would know, it would be you.
Любой тренер по боксу вам скажет, что удар должен быть одновременно с шагом. В противном случае будут проблем:)
Hi hempev - what is a sanchin dachi? Thanks -
Just look at those posters in the backgrounds. Who are those guys??? =)
As with all our forms I think from the age of 8 is fine - but of course at that age it is just the movements you are teaching not the other breathing and muscle stuff. Best Wishes.
The kung fu is the originaire of karaté..his name is do ti.
I think "kung fu is a major influence on some styles of karate" may be more accurate. which style do you train? kind regards , Martin
I wish they'd had Shorin and Isshin Ryu as well.
Sanchin isn´t practiced in Shorin ryu.
John Doe
I didn't know. Do you know specifically what styles do? and do they have them on here all at once?
MrOphachew
Sanchin is practiced mainly in nahate type karate schools like:
-Goju ryu
-Uechi ryu
-Ryuei ryu
...and also in mixed (nahate + shurite/tomarite) schools like Kyokushin and Isshinryu.
Shito ryu has sanchin too, I believe.
Sanchin probably came to okinawa through these gong fu styles:
-Yong chun white crane
-Five Ancestors Fist (Ngo Cho Kun / Wuzu Quan)
MrOphachew What makes you think that shorin ryu practices sanchin?
Maybe as a followup, they can do Sesan and invite all styles. I think almost everyone does Sesan / Hangetsu.
Osu
...simularities in Japanese forms.
Dean Vassos The goju and Uechi ryu sanchin are from Okinawa.
Commentator is a muppet
Such a ashamed no one ever brings up or shows the Huzun Quan(Tiger worshipping fist.) sanchien which is nearly the same as uechi ryus. czcams.com/video/S-ZmzDOJP7c/video.html
Fun fact Huzun Quans first 5 empty hand forms are named-
Sanjian(3 arrows)
Shrsan/simen
Sanshiliu shou 1
sanshiliu shou 2
Sanshiliu shou 3
yibailian shou(100 linking palms)
Then a bunch tiger forms
And two man tiger forms.
a nice link. Can you point me to a resource with geographical and lineage information about the style. Thanks. Martin
martinpaulwatts it's a closed door system. Inner students learn Huzun Quan, out door students only learn the first 5 sets. The style is known for there finger piercing practise.
A few uechi ryus guys started practising Huzun Quan 100 palm strikes as suparenpei.
www.taipinginstitute.com/courses/jiangnan/huzunquan
martinpaulwatts czcams.com/video/JglQktQC7dA/video.html
This Huzun quans 100 palm form.
martinpaulwatts it's also interesting to note the fujian Lohan styles looks more like shuri styles yet everyone only mentions white crane...
czcams.com/video/53EZkHu_Pho/video.html
Thank you. Is there any information about where and by whom it has practiced hisotrically ? Difficult to see how it fits into the bigger Southern systems picture without that time line /
information -
😃😂😁it doesn't work in fighting. if you don't believe try in street fighting😆😁
херня.
That’s fucked up
the analysis is awfull!.
The commentator is a shotokan karate sensei so may be has different way of looking at what is going on.