Women Are Out Earning Men (and the Media isn't talking about it)
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- čas přidán 28. 07. 2024
- Talking points: relationships, culture
Let me start off by making one thing clear: this isn't problematic. But some other things are happening in tandem that I haven't heard any major outlet talk about. That itself is an issue. Listen in.
(00:00:00) - Intro and stats
(00:01:55) - What I find fascinating
(00:03:39) - This is something we ALL should be having dialogue about
(00:07:28) - Why authentic equality is really important
(00:10:26) - Again, NOT saying this is wrong, but what are we creating further down the line?
(00:11:40) - You can already see some consequences in the data
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I dropped out of college junior year during the pandemic because I couldn’t stand online school- I’m one of the statistics. I build houses in construction and I love it
Honestly your skills will be more valued especially after the inevitable societal collapse.
As a man, I absolutely don’t mind women going to work, out earning me. I will happily enjoy more time off, concentrating on projects, children, being less in the rat race of corporate politics, BUT….
As you’ve clearly mentioned, the fundamental problem is that women still haven’t changed their standards for men and mainstream media will not talk about this. That’s because it doesn’t benefit them. Men raising an opinion about how something affects them is seen as a direct distraction from women empowerment and problems.
Thank you for at least bringing this out and talking about this. Women who dismiss you despite how clearly and gently you put this are the problem of society today.
Well said.
Agreed
Right, the common response is that men are too insecure to date someone who makes more than them. And while it may be off putting for guys, the women aren’t exactly doing their part either. Women still want men to earn more, so the only solution I can see is that women try to value things other than finances or everyone just stays single
Thanks for sharing. I'm one person who thinks your priorities and awareness are really cool.
I call it the empathy gap toward men. There is an inability to see how men suffer in our world, and that leads to outright misandry. I have three teenage sons and I worry about the world they are entering.
some researcher calls it gama bias
Have you did anything about that? Obviously no, that is empathy gap in action 😂
I teach my son's every day that no one cares about them and no one ever will. Make them strong.
@@estarr86 I hope You care about them. God, they need to know that you care about them. Please tell them often.
Being the breadwinner that is unwilling to support others is abuse.
Men that go to college, then get jobs in the filed that they trained for, often experience enough discrimination against men that they have to leave the field. Many of them end up driving trucks.
That happened to me. I found success turning wrenches on niche industrial equipment. I have a pretty decent career and retirement ahead of me.
As someone who missed out on more academic pursuits. You’re an admirable role model of how an autodidact can still succeed; you’ve been a great online mentor to me since appearing on Modern Wisdom.
Women making money isn’t the problem. Women making money due to government subsisidies/mandates, and educational policies that cater specifically and only to women who then hold men to archaic standards are the problem. We’ve created our own mouse utopia. Our own Athens. Our own late Rome.
I read a great book on this a few years back, “the end of men”, by Hanna Rosen. Would recommend it if you want a deeper dive into exactly this topic.
Another great book is “the marriage go round” by Andrew Cherlin, a bit of history on the institution of marriage.
Thanks Connor for all the great insights and conversation starters. Certainly going to Man It Forward
Just got my bastards degree in the University of Life.
I personally want to hear more of a deeper dive into the data. Discrimination on the basis of sex--paying different rates for the same position--is illegal and doesn't really account for the numbers. The prior pay gap when women were earning less could be attributed largely to women making choices that would pay less: working more part time, leaving the work force for maternity, etc. Now what creates the reverse? Is it that more young men are living more with their parents and getting part-time or minimum wage jobs? Is the new education gap already translating into wage gap? Does this shift or flip across age demographics? The breakdown is important. This may be innocent or may be an indication of a deep systematic and illegal discrimination on the basis of sex against men. Equal protection under the law goes both ways.
"You have university and college institutions that, I think, a lot of men look at as anti-male. As not welcoming for men." I sincerely don't know what this means or why it is. Yes, there is now greater awareness of the 'bad guys' on campuses, the students who target women, and thank God for that. There's awareness of bad behavior within a lot of fraternities. But I'm not sure why anyone would consider college anti-male. Men take on a lot of the leadership roles on campus. I've only seen male and female students work well together on class projects. And of course, everyone has female and male friends. There are 3 reasons I think men are turning away from college. 1) Men hear about the crackdown on the male students who are being held accountable for legitimate crimes on campus and they feel a defensiveness or uneasiness about it because of their shared identity with other men. 2) Men see that the number of women exceed the number of men on college campuses and now associate college with women, and therefore devalue it because -- if they're being honest -- they devalue anything associated with women. Take knitting for example. To a lot of guys, anything that's majority-women is considered a 'women's thing' and must be avoided at all costs to maintain self-esteem. 3) Many students on college campuses aren't into the restrictions of gender roles, society's script you're supposed to follow as a woman or man, and some men don't like that because they gain benefits from gender roles (that are, mind you, typically at the detriment of women and some men who don't fit the male archetype). Anything else?
Tradespeople(mainly men) will have huge negociation powers when all the women will need stuff built and fixed. Be patient, the pendulum always comes back. Be happy the pendulum moves cause it's when it stops that shit will really hit the fan. GOOD JOB DUDE. Always enjoy your vids. Thx.
Well the influx of immigrants fo replace men not it the workforce is going to be a problem for men who are blue collar. It's not the flex you think it is. The powers that be really dont want you to have bargaining power thats why women are in the workforce, it reduces men's pay
This is an interesting take but I'm not sure I fully agree. Men and specifically boys are falling behind in education and earning, and that's a problem that kind of starts early. But women marrying/dating up is a story as old as time. Women mature faster than men and older men have always had more of the resources women wanted. I'm older than my wife, my wife's stepdad is older than her mom, my dad is older than my mom. Def some food for thought even if I don't fully agree, thanks for the video.
These Areas are GREAT to find Suga Mamas.
Its time for us to be Kept men.
They gonna have to put up, or shut up.
Spoil us men.
I can appreciate you trying to discuss this topic in a way that women can hear. But all the concessions before saying half truths tells men you dont understand the full extent of the problem or you arent communicating it.
"It's not bad or wrong." Sure it is. I dont know why we cognitively load ourselves so much to avoid talking about outcomes. Outcomes matter. Our outcomes now and in the future are awful.
Reality is, if left unchecked this is the kind of thing that can collapse society completely. Women cannot and will not do the physical/dangerous work men do. If men continue to check out, stop going to college/trade schools etc., society as we know it will cease to exist. This is not sustainable for any society over a half century. We are already at a % threshold of disaffected young men that would have collapsed empires in the past and the only thing that has slowed that possibility is porn and video games.
Umm youre getting replaced by immigrant men that will do jobs thay you dont want to do. Its not the flex your looking for. In fact this is to reduce any leverage men have in society. If women are out pacing you in collage and immigrant men are competing with you in blue collar... where do you men fit in?
Hey Connor - pls provide a link to the Pew study you reference. Thanks.
Honestly, you probably don't need an advanced degree at this point in your career; you're already successful. People get advanced degrees usually to become successful. You're already there! If you want one, that's different. But you certainly don't need one. Thanks for all you do, your channel is great and I'm learning a lot.
Eventually they older men that have resources will continue to dwindle wirh each decade. This is a compounding issue that effect so many other things in the future.
Like a number of others, you note decline in the numbers of men getting college degrees. When this phenomenon is coupled with the effects of hypergamy, there will be a long term decline in marriages and birth rates. This pattern is also effecting many other countries, most notably China (as seen in recent news stories). South Korea is an even more extreme example with the birthrate somewhere around 0.8 per woman. The problem with this is that this will create a long term deficit of younger workers that will support an older population thru social security. These are long term trends and difficult to change rapidly in the short term. This situation will require all workers to be much more cognizant of the need to save for old age.
It feels increasingly bizarre to me how quickly people will become uncomfortable or even hostile when issues affecting men are raised. Even simply pointing out the fact of men getting fewer degrees from universities, without drawing any conclusions or judgements from this fact, is enough to raise the alarm bells in many people's heads about your intentions or values, almost as though you've started some racist, bigoted rant about "white's rights."
I would suggest reading “A world without men” by Aaron Clarey.
I don't blame men for not wanting to go to colleges because of how expensive it is. Finding a trade and having the discipline to learn a valuable skill like programming are great paths men should consider taking. I graduated from college, and STRUGGLED to find a decent job. I had to work a shiity contract positions and lie on my resume just to get my foot in the door. This is a lot of my college mates experience.
I appreciate your videos, and all that you do. I personally feel that college is overrated, and for the most part a scam, I think men need to embrace, apprenticeships, and mentors. We are the builders in the shakers. I don't think a lack of men going to college is the issue, but more to do with video games, streaming networks and online porn.
You’re absolutely correct with that last one. That caused issues for me. I’ve recovered now and it’s tough to rebuild a massive section of my life that I missed out on.
@@markm0000 yes, I would say that's probably one of the main culprits. We live in a world that rewards us for little to no effort. Ease of living is a destroyer of men.
My concern with the current trend is that with less men attending universities, we have a lot of less STEM graduates, since men naturally gravitate towards STEM programs. What will the future of the country look like when we can no longer compete in the high technology field, simply due to the fact that there isn't enough people doing the work?
That’s a valid concern. It’s also true that you don’t really need to be that smart anymore to succeed in a STEM field. Computers do most of the heavy lifting nowadays.
My wife has out earned me for 10 years now. She makes 6 figures as a "educator".
Im a contractor, and we make crap for our efforts.
Low iq
Yeah - I am a contractor and I really enjoy my work. My sister is a glorified receptionist in private equity and she makes 150 K.
Can't wait till they build everything too
Women will eventually catch up, and their outdated preferences will change. We had a female prime minister in Australia and her husband was a hairdresser. A prime minister in New Zealand with a fisherman husband. Just need more time and role models.
Wait... I'm confused... so what's all the hoopla about unequal pay from women? I honestly think another big factor is many people (depending on the degree) aren't getting jobs in their field they went to college for. Many people I went to school with, when i was in my mid to late 20s that had degrees couldn't get jobs in their respective fields, were volunteering, or had a minimum wage job like I had in highschool (at a chinese resturant). Men are by nature problem solvers and maybe don't think that college will get them the results they want and maybe this is also a factor. I am still watching the video so maybe I'm off the mark.😅 Just my observation.😇
Women being economically equal with men and men “pulling themselves up by their bootstraps” to earn more than women is logically impossible. Women need to pick one.
We’re screwed
Why?
When do we start seeing legislative changes in divorce laws/alimony based on the fact that women are out earning men?
Never
I think the only time the laws will change is when the women start having to pay. Unfortunately it’s very hard to get people to listen to men
We should not have a dialog about this, you should have been marching like yesterday but instead you are making money
That is called bystander effect
How about being a man? Go outside and demand something is changed?
I say simply - guys, dont provide. Do not provide for women. How crazy you have to be to CONSIDER providing? 😅 it’s an insane idea 😅
It’s Good. They will get lonely, miserable and will pay more in taxes :) I like it.
I dislike the research done cuz it only lists metropolitan areas like NYC. Men don’t wanna live in NYC or NY tbh cuz of the taxes and expense of it
A teenage girl can start life earning $25 an hour or more serving coffee, with tips. That sets her up to only earn more from there.
Buddy, going about it in a well spoken level headed manner ain't gonna change anything unfortunately but appreciate you trying
Youre almost a decade behind. They verbally established in 2016 that feminism has nothing to do with being equal.
8:55 Lmfao why arnt you desputing that? Isnt that why your crying in this video.
MuH 77% oF mEn......
Women still have a little bit to go until they will be as 'successful' as men for the first time in history. The click bait has really triggered me
Y’all are there. You did it
Both sides need to adapt because of modern times. Woman want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to keep all their normal dating standards including new ones from the modern Era and then expect men to just " rise to the occasion" mem should be better no one says that's not a good thing. But what's not a good thing is women not adjusting their typical standards for men. I don't even like saying it that way because it makes men sound like less of a person. The things that men always wanted from women throughout all time, women now give men less of those things and swapped them with finacial income. Most men don't care about that at all. It's like the yin and the yang are out of whack because the modern Era gave women a way out of being traditional women. And just like a kid in the cookie jar they've gotten a taste of it and now don't want to leave it. Women are so worried about the choices they have now that they don't even bother to see if they're making the right ones
Biblically men is the original creation,God saw men struggling thats why he created women to aid men , didn't you notice hard jobs are done by men
Smh overviewing the male comments, and boyyyy they said they prefer to be kept men 🫣 lord come get us 😢
Give one good reason why men shouldn’t be provided for by women? If he’s doing all the housework, why not?
remember boys, we fund the relationship, women don't. We decide if there is a relationship or not, not the women. they can go after the top earners, but they'll end up single and lonely, stay strong boys
There are still plenty of men outearning women. There are plenty of women who make minimum wage who still believe they are worthy of a millionaire!!!!!!