Kingdom Hearts 3 - KH2 Sora with ALL Drive Forms vs. Marluxia (MOD)

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  • NOTE: I DIDN'T MAKE ANY MODS SHOWCASED IN THIS VIDEO. SORRY IF IT'S A LITTLE LOUD.
    Huge thanks to Iven for lending me the map!
    KH2 Sora is fully in the game! He has all his forms and his base form has his old combos. I had a lot of fun making this one! I thought it would be best to not give Marluxia a visible hp bar so it doesn't look like his health is changing all over the place.
    I was thinking of making this a few months ago but I decided to try and wait for a mod that was subject to release. However, it hasn't come out yet so I just decided to make this video showcasing all the forms while I still got time.
    Mods used:
    KH2 Sora by Richy5
    www.nexusmods.com/kingdomhear...
    KH2 Sora Retexture by slamlink
    www.nexusmods.com/kingdomhear...
    KH2 Sora Voice by Saro
    www.nexusmods.com/kingdomhear...
    KH2 Sora Animations by komatsuna
    www.nexusmods.com/kingdomhear...
    KH2 Sora Battle Stance Restored by Xantohjan
    www.nexusmods.com/kingdomhear...
    KH2 Drive Form Effect by Davick173
    www.nexusmods.com/kingdomhear...
    Valor Form by Discount
    www.nexusmods.com/kingdomhear...
    Special thanks to Dasmantissimo for helping set the kh2 valor color to valor form
    drive.google.com/file/d/1PSVS...
    Wisdom Form by Sora101Ven
    www.nexusmods.com/kingdomhear...
    Limit Form by komatsuna
    I got this mod from the openkh discord so I don't think it's public.
    Anti-Form by Sora101Ven
    www.nexusmods.com/kingdomhear...
    Master Form by Flarigrar
    www.nexusmods.com/kingdomhear...
    Final Form by Bobjames, Sora101Ven, Aprodytix, Chirijiraden
    www.nexusmods.com/kingdomhear...
    KH2 Hud by BlasterGrim (Changes how the focus bar looks)
    www.nexusmods.com/kingdomhear...
    KH2 Portraits by Dasmantissimo
    www.nexusmods.com/kingdomhear...
    Station of Oblivion Data Arena by Iven
    (Not out publicly)
    Un-nort Marluxia (Gives him blue eyes) by VaultLink
    www.nexusmods.com/kingdomhear...
    Data Battles Robust by yurilewd
    www.nexusmods.com/kingdomhear...
    Improved Movement by Aproydtix (Allows me to keyblade switch without delay)
    www.nexusmods.com/kingdomhear...
    Star Seeker over Ever After by RAXZER
    www.nexusmods.com/kingdomhear...
    KH2 Ultima Weapon by choudclucker
    www.nexusmods.com/kingdomhear...
    ACTUAL KH2 MOD:
    Remove party members by KSX
    • Kingdom Hearts 2 Final...
    0:00 Intro
    0:48 Valor/Limit/Wisdom
    6:00 Anti
    7:26 Master/Final/Valor
    10:34 Ending

Komentáře • 371

  • @quoy4
    @quoy4  Před rokem +107

    NOTE: I DIDN'T MAKE ANY MODS SHOWCASED IN THIS VIDEO. SORRY IF IT'S A LITTLE LOUD. My favorite part is at 6:00.
    0:00 Intro
    0:48 Valor/Limit/Wisdom
    6:00 Anti
    7:26 Master/Final/Valor
    10:34 Ending

    • @quinnhouk5369
      @quinnhouk5369 Před rokem +6

      6 minutes where you die?

    • @tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32
      @tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32 Před rokem +7

      ...holy shit the anti sora form kind of seems a little broken now.
      You can _heal yourself midcombo?!?_

    • @ImBaeg
      @ImBaeg Před rokem +4

      That transition into Lord of the Castle was fantastic

    • @sebastianluna1916
      @sebastianluna1916 Před 11 měsíci

      Hello one question what is the name of the son in the form anti pls

    • @davidpreciado2951
      @davidpreciado2951 Před 11 měsíci

      Can I use the anti form part for an edit on tiktok

  • @carlogustavovalenzuelazepe5774

    Yensid: "still not a keyblade master"

    • @Alexander12276
      @Alexander12276 Před rokem +68

      Yensid actually. Because his name backwards is disney

    • @Crowned_Hearts
      @Crowned_Hearts Před rokem +102

      @@Alexander12276 his name backwards is di- hey Kairi is dead again

    • @Alexander12276
      @Alexander12276 Před rokem +12

      @@Crowned_Hearts LOLLL

    • @789syrus789
      @789syrus789 Před rokem +7

      He is just hasn’t been official.

    • @metalsonic5669
      @metalsonic5669 Před rokem +31

      Funny how if Sora still had all his powers from each game, Yensid probably still wouldn't say he's a Keyblade Master.

  • @felizquatroimoshi5553
    @felizquatroimoshi5553 Před 9 měsíci +164

    Seeing this really made me understand why Sora doesn't use drive forms anymore.
    This was amazing. I loved every bit of it.
    But as I watched it I came to realise, Sora can do all those things now on his own.
    Drive forms were just ways for his uncontrolled power to manifest.
    Or so I think.
    I'm happy to have seen this 10/10 thank you. I'm looking forward to KH4. I love this game.

    • @jacobc874
      @jacobc874 Před 7 měsíci +61

      I like this take, it gives a justifiable explanation why anti-form randomly replaced a given drive form in-game. Focusing sora's power into different aspects helped him develop those aspects individually and make sense of the immense power he had to tap into, but the way I see it, anti-form is kind of a mistake brought on by all of this power being overwhelming and triggering something animalistic and uncontrolled instead.

    • @totallybr4409
      @totallybr4409 Před 6 měsíci +28

      Which also makes sense in KH3's combat system that instead of tapping into inner power, he brings the potential of his keyblades out instead of his (now not) dormant power

    • @Xahnel
      @Xahnel Před 6 měsíci +45

      ​@@jacobc874 My own take on Anti Form is that Sora spent the back portion of KH1 and the entirety of KH:CoM as a heartless, and because he and Roxas were unnaturally integrated, that Heartless still exists. That is what Antiform and Rage Form represent. Those forms also represent that his Heartless is becoming more powerful.
      In the unnumbered midquels staring Sora, that Heartless gets stronger due to the darkness and pain Sora suffers that just never gets addressed by anyone.
      In KH 1, Sora's darkness is so insignificant that he becomes a Shadow, the weakest and most inconsequential of Heartless. In CoM, Sora suffers psychological and emotional torture. And that chain of memories is shattered. It can never be reassembled, but just like his real memories still existed and just had to be reassembled, the torment of Castle Oblivion still lives in his heart. In Kingdom Hearts 2, Sora's darkness goes from a tiny Shadow to Antiform. Antiform is, by all objective measures, the most physically powerful of Sora's Drive forms. After KH2 is DDD, and Sora is alone, sent spiralling off the course of his mission, wandering the darkness of dreaming worlds, tormented by the Three Ansem Stooges, and eventually, he is captured, and partially Norted. In Kingdom Hearts 3, Sora's inner Darkess goes from wild beast of darkness, to _wild beast capable of wielding a keyblade_ .
      Sora's Heartless also appeared in Coded as a boss, a dark counterpart to Code Sora.
      Rage Form is the current incarnation of Sora's Heartless, and the numbered games reveal that his Heartless is only getting stronger, and we should be very grateful that Kairi doused it in light so long ago, because it fights for the light.

    • @jacobc874
      @jacobc874 Před 6 měsíci +21

      @@Xahnel A heartless that fights for the side of light. I guess I never really fully realized that's what is going in here. Fucks sake, a heartless with a keyblade is a terrifying reality.

    • @paponvichchattrapronvichia4126
      @paponvichchattrapronvichia4126 Před 5 měsíci +7

      So in KH4, i hope he master his heartless form and turn into nightsky form.

  • @DiscountYT
    @DiscountYT Před rokem +245

    god it's so satisfying to see valor and wisdom combo together
    plus komatsuna's work on limit and the kh2 animations is incredible to see

    • @ExoticEio
      @ExoticEio Před rokem +14

      every KH players dream to combo that smooth 😌

    • @megakoni1
      @megakoni1 Před rokem +6

      it really feels like kh2, so good

    • @gaming1zanagi-1999.
      @gaming1zanagi-1999. Před rokem +1

      ​@@megakoni1 right?

    • @gaming1zanagi-1999.
      @gaming1zanagi-1999. Před rokem

      ​@@ExoticEio same

    • @djsrage1305
      @djsrage1305 Před 11 měsíci +3

      Weird question but, where could i find the names of individuals who work on the combat in Kh2 & 3?

  • @Logixal4311
    @Logixal4311 Před 11 měsíci +72

    Dude, KH developers should hire these modders. The gameplays are all satisfying to watch and creative

  • @inSAMity
    @inSAMity Před rokem +86

    10:17 Marluxia throwing his scythe 3 times sync'd to the beat of Lord of the Castle was pretty cool

  • @JojosASMR
    @JojosASMR Před rokem +264

    this was so fire!

  • @Blues2Dark
    @Blues2Dark Před rokem +41

    I love the fact that Sora interchanges his styles to his keyblades on the fly, I had often wondered why wasn't that incorporated in to the latter games, but his Anti-Form?
    Heck yeah! That was a nice surprise, I enjoyed watching this!

  • @sasaki999pro
    @sasaki999pro Před 10 měsíci +14

    Hot DAMN that Anti-Form action looks SO sick. It literally looks like Sora is breaking the fabric of reality with his uncontrollable power the way he phases around all over the place and shakes the camera with every strike. And the fact that hes doing all that WITHOUT the keyblade no less, truly wicked.

  • @kayecruiser
    @kayecruiser Před rokem +143

    Very well edited and put together. Also, those combos and switching between forms was absolutely sick. The transition into Anti-Form took me by surprise, too. Nice work as always, quoy,

  • @beastmode7855
    @beastmode7855 Před 6 měsíci +9

    Anti form will forever be the greatest form to me and this mod proves my point. Plus I felt that cinematic to its core, absolutely wonderful. 👌👌

  • @KingMoonie
    @KingMoonie Před rokem +53

    Augh omfg this brought tears to my eyes man. Seeing these forms mixed in with the fluidity of kh3 makes my heart burst. What a great video and amazing combo game lol. Everything looks so nice in this version of the game I can’t wait to see what people will do in KH4

  • @Inferno144
    @Inferno144 Před rokem +11

    I love the slight slowdown on each Anti hit, giving it a real sense of power.

  • @gumup7778
    @gumup7778 Před 8 měsíci +5

    one of the best mod videos i´ve seen in my life!!! great work.

  • @doctorbright1065
    @doctorbright1065 Před 6 měsíci +3

    Dude, this looks clean AF! Between this and project "Nobody May Cry" I'm really getting my fill with KH2 related content, and loving it!

  • @pummelweed784
    @pummelweed784 Před 5 měsíci +7

    9:09
    KH3 modding has surpassed KH2, like good lord this combo is glorious

  • @justnateclips7521
    @justnateclips7521 Před rokem +21

    This was too well done!! And I thought it was over, but NO!! IT AIN'T OVER TIL IT'S OVER!! 6:00 was fire!! 💯🔥 I love how all these forms come together! It's a masterpiece of a fight!

  • @OneColdRepublican
    @OneColdRepublican Před rokem +44

    Modders are creating such exquisite content. I wish we had a chance to fight Demyx Vexen, and the other members from the previous Org XIII group. Seeing an new version of their fight would've been pretty cool.

    • @jacobc874
      @jacobc874 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Good riddance lol. Second encounter against Demyx on proud mode was a brutally hard fight

  • @Bryan36985
    @Bryan36985 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Imma need dat...
    Great content, and thank you legend

  • @prismwing
    @prismwing Před rokem +6

    That went so goddamn hard. Big clap for the cinematography.

  • @JackedHero
    @JackedHero Před rokem +10

    Man oh man! These mods are always getting better. Great showcase!

  • @zackstrife5189
    @zackstrife5189 Před rokem +8

    6:00 I can imagine him roaring in seething rage while transforming into anti-form

  • @hollowedboi5937
    @hollowedboi5937 Před rokem +16

    I love the idea of storing drive forms with different keyblades to have new stylish combos between forms. I would just wonder how that would be balanced with the drive gauge

  • @johncarldelossantos7345
    @johncarldelossantos7345 Před 9 měsíci +3

    God Dammit we need a Kingdom hearts 2 Re:HD with this Graphics.

  • @KiteRebell
    @KiteRebell Před 7 měsíci +2

    Dude crazy, had flashbacks! Imagine this was in the real game… wow.

  • @EMD766
    @EMD766 Před 10 měsíci +6

    Sora: Am I a Keyblade master now?
    Yen Sid: Nope.
    Sora: 😐

  • @boi8380
    @boi8380 Před 8 měsíci +5

    its so accurate to kh2 that even the dodge slash whiffs on its 2nd or 3rd hit :O

  • @Risxam
    @Risxam Před rokem +2

    quoy my boy, always good to see an upload from you - loved this one.

  • @FlowMH
    @FlowMH Před 5 měsíci +1

    9:07 God I love how the climax of the music is in sync with Sora's combo, into "Thunder" and the combo that follows after.
    For a moment, it made him appear god-like.
    It then even transitions into the bridge when Marluxia gets his turn again.
    I think the music played a big role in people's perception of this fight.

  • @ShadowKnight_txo
    @ShadowKnight_txo Před rokem +5

    Every bad guy: Give in to darkness
    kh2 and kh3 sora: Ight bet

  • @blisk432
    @blisk432 Před rokem +5

    This amazing video, even when I activated the Anti-Form, I even got goosebumps ( Sora's Incredible Transformation , but the Mechanics to Stir him up is hell -_-") But a nice job 👍

  • @calvinwalker6251
    @calvinwalker6251 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Seeing videos like this where sora styles on bosses with 3 forms and 10 different super spells is exactly why sorrow did not trip about boss rushing all his ops in KH3’s final world.

  • @Ravenjim93
    @Ravenjim93 Před rokem +8

    All those are so impressive!
    Anti for at first seemed a bit derpy but i think i actually like it better once i saw it a bit more.
    Final and valor are just amazing!

  • @CallMeVeezy
    @CallMeVeezy Před 17 dny +2

    Love the glass shattering as he transforms

  • @drink.juice.
    @drink.juice. Před 6 měsíci +1

    ay swag on all these combos props bro

  • @Thelegend_2121
    @Thelegend_2121 Před 17 dny +1

    The fluid changes between drive forms is so satisfying. It's like the god to blue switch from DBS on steroids

  • @jaysee8810
    @jaysee8810 Před 10 měsíci +10

    I know it was said before, but THIS is what I expected from KH3. The forms flow amazingly

  • @GuakH03
    @GuakH03 Před rokem +1

    This looks amazing. I’m beyond impressed!!! These combos you do are fucken doppe

  • @yozora_nohara5157
    @yozora_nohara5157 Před rokem +2

    it looks SO GOOD. love to see more videos.

  • @verrvaincalm3864
    @verrvaincalm3864 Před rokem +2

    Idk what your settings are on but holy the keyblades just look so good! Lovely video

  • @DontMentionMeUnlessYoureSmart

    I’ve been in the community for many many years, way before the introduction of KH mods….hands down this is the craziest, best KH gameplay I’ve ever seen and it almost makes me sad because I thought I would never see it; but this is KH perfection

  • @BMCBroManClash
    @BMCBroManClash Před rokem +1

    TOO DAMN COOL!!!! :)
    Especially love the Anti Form cinematics.

  • @renelopez3216
    @renelopez3216 Před rokem +1

    Of course once again another peak video as always

  • @jonathangp65
    @jonathangp65 Před rokem +1

    Now THIS is a beautifully-crafted cinematic masterpiece here.

  • @khnub9207
    @khnub9207 Před rokem +12

    A cinematic masterpiece 🔥

  • @MrCincySteve
    @MrCincySteve Před rokem +20

    I much prefer drive forms to change forms. The only kh3 keyblades I really liked using were oathkeeper and the pirates one

  • @tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32

    If there was an ultimate organization form I really really wanted to see... it's this one
    Just blend both forms of the doom counter and just watch the chaos unfold

  • @CommentWorthy1
    @CommentWorthy1 Před 15 hodinami

    Whoa I didn't know this was a thing. Very cool fight

  • @Ikou117
    @Ikou117 Před rokem +9

    Canon Sora

  • @OriginalTrapstar
    @OriginalTrapstar Před 10 měsíci +2

    Dawg if they EVER did a final remaster/remake for kh2, this is it. This is beautiful

  • @Andrew-wl3hn
    @Andrew-wl3hn Před rokem +3

    No one is talking about how badass KH2's ultimate weapon looks!! I screamed when i saw it

  • @thewestfire9729
    @thewestfire9729 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Best mod ever. If this was an actual function in Re:Mind, it would’ve made the game 100,000x better than it already was.

  • @20astro
    @20astro Před 3 měsíci

    This is incredible!!!!

  • @aubade358
    @aubade358 Před rokem +1

    This is beautiful

  • @789syrus789
    @789syrus789 Před rokem +2

    I like how Marluxia said “What?!” When Sora went *Rage* mode. We call that a 😙👌 chefs kiss.

  • @nekiguess8304
    @nekiguess8304 Před 11 měsíci +5

    I really like the idea of anti form taking over after being defeated. Kinda like how after being defeated Mickey shows up to help you out, but instead of automatically being brought back you can still die during it if you mess up. Maybe it can work like the final xehanort fight where you can’t leave the form until you attack enough and you can get back to normal.

  • @TNight00
    @TNight00 Před 8 měsíci +1

    This is amazing

  • @Tonicheddar
    @Tonicheddar Před 10 měsíci +3

    I LOVE HOW MAGIC WITH VALOR IS IMPLEMENTED, ITS LIKE A PHYSICAL ATTACK WITH THE MAGIC ENHANCING IT

  • @yurathedigital7077
    @yurathedigital7077 Před rokem +5

    At this point ,this isn't kingdom hearts anymore....it's ART😢

  • @haazedragons
    @haazedragons Před 11 měsíci +2

    Please help me, I have this problem with the drive forms. Every time I try using the form, Sora is in his base kh2 form but he ends up using 2 keyblade just like how you would if you use any of the drive form. For some reason, all the model for the drive forms aren’t appearing. Please help!🙏🏾

  • @corruptedstriker67
    @corruptedstriker67 Před 4 měsíci

    This is outstanding

  • @user-ic8pi7hx6g
    @user-ic8pi7hx6g Před 7 měsíci

    very high quality and stylish!

  • @denzelwright8475
    @denzelwright8475 Před rokem +1

    He's absolutely cracked! I'm SHOOK! My inner child absolutely loves this. However my inner nerd does raise an eyebrow at Valor using magic.

  • @FreyOdyssey
    @FreyOdyssey Před rokem +4

    I love hoe every KH2 Moveset is recreated!

  • @rosies69
    @rosies69 Před rokem +3

    May i ask wtf is going on with the assest? Its like that kh2 remake game but its not. I mean THIS IS COOL but why does it look different than any other kh3 mod video??

  • @YanaTheFlash1
    @YanaTheFlash1 Před rokem

    This melted my brain🤯

  • @Buki0300
    @Buki0300 Před rokem

    this was dope

  • @adastrajay1256
    @adastrajay1256 Před 15 dny

    Man the flow of this conflict is insane..

  • @XSICKBREEZE
    @XSICKBREEZE Před 2 dny

    Back when i was a kid and the first KH3 E3 trailer dropped i thought that LITERALLY THIS VIDEO is exactly what KH3 would be......

  • @jerichobautista9750
    @jerichobautista9750 Před rokem

    Beautiful.

  • @samifranco5541
    @samifranco5541 Před 5 měsíci

    This only show how Great the forms of the second game was ❤

  • @shadowldrago
    @shadowldrago Před měsícem

    I love how terrifyingly fast Anti-Form is. And Final Form combines overwhelming speed with overwhelming POWER.

  • @stazandhissnes2428
    @stazandhissnes2428 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Yen-Sid: "While you are *Self-taught* you still lack the skills necessary to understand and master your inner potential. Forget everything you know of the Keyblade."
    Sora KH2 Full Powered: "Oh, okay..."
    *Dream Drop Distance later*
    Yen-Sid: "Soooooo, you've lost your abilities, strength, resilience, and Forms that gave you power unimaginable all because of my test that got hacked that not only am I unwillingly going to apologize for, but not acknowledge you as a Keyblade Master because of it. So, i suggest-"
    Sora low-level KH3: "You know what? F**k you, Imma do this MY way, the RIGHT way!"

  • @badassryuko8898
    @badassryuko8898 Před rokem +7

    I love the video when he turn anti-form 6:10 if you believe everyone gets a second chance😇

  • @ryyyyyyn
    @ryyyyyyn Před 7 měsíci

    jesus christ the graphics in this vid are so good

  • @ExoticEio
    @ExoticEio Před rokem +2

    I wish I could play sora like this he’s such a bad ass

  • @niklasw.1297
    @niklasw.1297 Před rokem

    How are the controls in the different forms?
    I saw Aerial Dodge, Air Slide, Blocking in-mid-Air, as well as Gliding.
    I am looking at my controller with confusion right now.

  • @jovankarri4804
    @jovankarri4804 Před 11 měsíci +1

    What's the link for the discord server that you got the limit form from?

  • @Tarragon_
    @Tarragon_ Před 11 měsíci +1

    How did you get the framrate to be this amazing it looks like it's running at 120 frames per second oh and this mod is god dang amazing

  • @ryanl6037
    @ryanl6037 Před rokem

    crazy how much better this game looks with mods

  • @mAnkE217
    @mAnkE217 Před 10 měsíci

    BRO U WENT CRAZY WITH RAGE BRO

  • @Shadow-860
    @Shadow-860 Před rokem

    WHAT THE HELL THE GAME LOOK SO BEAUTIFUL

  • @yachi2274
    @yachi2274 Před rokem +6

    Anti Sora: NO. IS YOU WHO FEARS DEATH.
    Marluxia: *In the medical bed in pain and casts* Owwwwwww.......

  • @thatitalianlameguy2235
    @thatitalianlameguy2235 Před rokem +1

    Kh2 moves with the much smoother kh3 sora is the perfect combo

  • @user-zd3ce5ru7k
    @user-zd3ce5ru7k Před 7 měsíci

    After the resurrection, the music returned to the module-free.

  • @darrellcavett2631
    @darrellcavett2631 Před rokem +4

    Just thinking how op we would have been if they allowed this in KH2FM

  • @sin1046
    @sin1046 Před rokem +1

    9:06 How did you do the roxas end of that combo do you have to do thunder at the end to get it

    • @runemaster8656
      @runemaster8656 Před rokem

      Valor form mod integrates physical attacks alongside magic casts.

  • @Dyndicat
    @Dyndicat Před 18 dny

    a mod now exists that truly gives you soras old drive system back. this can now be updated to more closely resemble kh2 lmao

  • @naivebook9340
    @naivebook9340 Před rokem

    I love the combo

  • @KingOfTheApex
    @KingOfTheApex Před 10 měsíci

    Naaaah if we got KH2 drive forms in KH3... The combos would be INSANE and crispy!

  • @gaming1zanagi-1999.
    @gaming1zanagi-1999. Před rokem +1

    👍. Wish they implemented this on kh4

  • @MavZX12
    @MavZX12 Před 10 měsíci

    Hi, I was wondering if I could get that limit form mod? I remember it being public before but now I can't get it

  • @penpine3780
    @penpine3780 Před 10 měsíci

    Could you upload your mod folder? Or make video explaining how get your gameplay like this? I really like do playthrough of 3 with drive forms :)

  • @Emu-
    @Emu- Před rokem +7

    Jesus,
    He summons a giant bloody skull with glowing red eyes from a pool of blood in KH3?

  • @zaiberronin895
    @zaiberronin895 Před rokem

    Is there a way to quit the stars effect when you hit an enemy?

  • @vivaofficial7372
    @vivaofficial7372 Před 3 dny

    1:50 - 1:56 this kind of camera work NEEDS to be in KH4

  • @Muhammad-ok4hr
    @Muhammad-ok4hr Před rokem

    dude this was so cool, can you make one with xemnas?

  • @TMen23
    @TMen23 Před 5 měsíci

    I hope so much we become a Remake of KH 1 & 2! 🙏🏻

  • @DiamondSky2001
    @DiamondSky2001 Před rokem

    been awhile since ive seen a kh3 video. was it always this HD?? this video seems so different lol

  • @trevorninja100
    @trevorninja100 Před rokem +1

    I like the evolving keyblade weapon forms...but drive forms were/are so much better.