Why NO ONE is Giving Fighter Jets to Ukraine
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It's been weeks since the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine began. But despite repeated pleas from Ukrainian officials, no one is sending Ukraine fighter jets. The back and forth between EU, NATO, Poland and the US has been almost comical, but the reason, is #NotWhatYouThink #NWYT #longs #Ukraine
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References:
Josep Borrell's Announcement: / 1498040528310517772
NATO and Poland's Announcement: www.stripes.com/theaters/euro...
Josep Borrell's denial: • EU foreign-policy chie...
Poland not sending its Jets: nexta_tv/status/1...
Antony Blinken's "Green Light": www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-...
Polish Government's announcement: www.gov.pl/web/diplomacy/stat...
Pentagon's announcement: nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn...
UK's announcement: www.theguardian.com/politics/...
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0:00 Intro
0:31 Josep Borrell's Confusing Announcement
1:02 Ukraine's Fighter Jet Situation
2:18 NATO and Poland's Response
3:17 United States' Green Light to Poland
3:53 Poland's Offer to the US
4:39 Ground News
5:39 The Challenge with Giving Jets to Ukraine
8:17 UK's Offer of Support
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Hi
How we didn't want to send MiG 29 to Ukraine?
We did want but we didn't send for the reason you said in video
I think we are saying the same thing here. No one has sent the MiGs because of the concerns over Russian escalations, even though they may have wanted to send them. What was interesting was how the US supported Poland sending the jets by themselves, but not through an American military base.
Ukrainian here, few days after announcement about jets was made I was on my grandmother's farm which located 10 km from polish border and I heard a lot of aircrafts which were flying really low but weather was very cloudy so I didn't see anything maybe it is just coincidence but still kinda suspicious. Also Ukraine inherited around 650 4th generation fighter jets/ attack aircrafts from Soviet union some of them were sold some of them recycled but many were in unworking condition. So I believe that many of those aircrafts were brought to life because I spotted a lot of mig 29 which were taking off from Lviv international airport on which territory located Lviv Aircraft Repair Plant pretty often since December 2021.
“The only country that has sent fighter jets into Ukraine… Is Russia.”
- not what you think
also,
"President Putin has previously threatened to use the N-word."
Russia
@@quoccuongtran724 "Nukes"
Oh you mean that the Polish fighter jets where made in Russia and therefore Russia sent the fighter jets to Poland, then from Poland to Ukraine?
The only country giving bombs, troops, tanks, missile, attack helicopter and jets daily. And they say Putin were heartless.
Wait a minute...
USA:
Involved in every military conflicts voluntarily.
Poland:
Involved in every military conflicts involuntarily.
Poland invaded Ukraine in 1920. Ukrainians fought on both sides of that conflict. Poland refused to negotiate with Germany over Danzig in 1939. They relied on the French Army attacking in the west
@@JesterEric Ok?
@@JesterEric
1) The wars between the II Republic of Poland, Western Ukrainian People's Republic, and Soviet Russia were a free-for-all caused by the messy ethnic divisions and bad planning of Eastern European borders in the treaty of Versailles, you can't really asign blame to any one side and call it a day.
2) If Poland gave away their part of pomerania, in 1939, Germany would still attack them with the Soviet Union, Just like they attacked Czechoslovakia after annexing the Sudetenland.
Yeah, this is what living next to Russia does to your country.
You will fight for your life and you will like it.
Because every country involved in a military conflict asks the US for help. If it's a NATO country then the US along with the allies get involved.
US only get's involved with free countries.
Nobody but Russia has sent fighter jets to Ukraine. 😂🤣😂🤣 That cracked me up.
then realize that the Russians today have an insight into the entire military technology of the West.
@опр дбр the joke is much simpler than that.
@@scubaguy007 in today's madness from Nazism, which is called democracy, you no longer know who is thinking what!
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I'm really sitting here trying to take this seriously and then he goes "Putin has threatened to us the N-word" fucking genius comedy
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had me dying laughing lol
Honestly it may do more damage than a real nuke with the thickness of skin in the world.
@@cmdr1911says the guy whining about imaginary people
@@NotWhatYouThink w
You know the trouble is real when the EU's defence secretary doesn't know what a fighter jet is
Same PFP 😳
He is an aeronautical engineer actually.
@@znrctrnn even worse
Nah, he knows. He just being a politician.
In all fairness, he is not defense secretary, and the EU has no army, so he may be excused?
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Simple answer: It will take months to learn how to fly U.S aircrafts and/or any other because Ukraine wants MiG-29 and Su-27
Thanks
Simple answer: Russia will declare war on any country that does.
And there is a difference in weapons systems. It is pointless to give them fighter jets that don't have the ability use NATO standardized ordnance or fighter jets that use ordnance faster than the logistics can supply from the initial zero inventory.
The reasons not to supply NATO fighter jets are plentiful.
Well, no country would escalate a nuclear situation. Put your own mask first before assisting others.
More than months. Atleast 2 years, minimum.
The hot potato argument reminded me of Ukraine asking for Australian Bushmaster armored personnel vehicles. At the time there was a reluctance to give Ukraine heavy vehicles so when the request was made on live tv of the Australian parliament it was guaranteed to get noticed. The Australian military immediately thought tanks would be better but our Abrams tanks were due for retirement so the suggestion was made that we give them to Poland as training vehicles and they give some Russian tanks to Ukraine.
But the real purpose of the request was to motivate the US to supply heavy weapons as the threat of coming second to Australia in the supply of armored vehicles was some thing they didn't want to deal with. So a few days after the request Australia has processes in place to ship APV's to Ukraine but no one cares because we came second to the billions in weapons sent from the US
No more billions to Ukraine while here in the U.S. we can’t afford gas or food. Also our corrupt government has given all of our baby formula to illegal aliens and Ukrainians for free. It’s disgusting.
But you played your part well and forced the US to haul ass 👍
20 Bush master APC's that 's great, good on ya Australia but that would not make America embarrassed to send more heavy weapons
There are a lot of limiting factors involved. The USA would give more, but the USA needs to get approval from the EU and Poland or Romania.
The USA does not have any territory bordering Ukraine. Also, if it were not for the Black Sea being locked in by Turkey, then the US Navy could do a lot more. I would really like to see the Russians try to blockade the US Navy from any other area, except the Black Sea.
The U.S. was not quick off the mark but we're getting our shit together--and look at Germany!
Love your videos
Thank you very much for the clarification
Love your dead pan, subtle humor. Excellent videos dude, keep up your good work.
Thanks Ryan!
@@NotWhatYouThink “President Putin had previously threatened to use the n word”
@@Mehmet-no6cz I love that bit xD
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@@7r1p0d5 NUKE
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This stuff is insane . Thank you.
To add, other than Soviet era and post Soviet era weapons used by Ukraine against Russia, the fuel used by Ukraine and other NATO nations most likely came from Russia itself. You can argue that Russia is playing both sides of the conflict.
Ukraine has its own oil and natural gas production and stockpile. Ukraine can sustain its own military off of its production alone, but they have cut all non essential civilian travel specifically to restrict usage. and Ukraine has roads and pipelines to the Balkans and western Europe, so its just as easy to import oil from other countries.
That's more in interests of Russia than it is in interests of europe. Sure without gas and oil it'll be tough for europe, but those gas and oil are the only things somehow holding russian economy from complete collapse
@@colRobinOlds this also means more economic alliances will form between russia and asia. Now if you can imagine numbers like 40% of natural gas germany has comes from russia , 80% of greece's also from russia. Like i think a rough estimate of 45%ish of EU's gas deposits come from imports. But we dont understand that it will hurt us a ton if we instead buy from the US , with all the transportation costs bein higher ...
@@theduke7539 not true Ukrainian oil refineries have been hit and many fuel depots have been hit they are running out
@@theduke7539 dude europe is the biggest importer of russian oil so even if ukraine buys oil from europe it is still russian oil. That is one of the reason why europe is not sending aircrafts because if russia stop sending oil to europe, the europian will freeze to death in winters and also everything in europe will become more expensive cause even the factories and industries in europe uses russian oil.
While training a new fighter pilot takes about two years, *transitioning* an already experienced and qualified fighter pilot to an entirely new model of fighter takes about two *months* (and that's at USAF "peacetime" timelines).
So the "lead time" of any such program is still an issue, but not nearly as much as often stated - it's do-able in the "near term" (we could have existing Ukrainian pilots qualified and competent in the F-16 or other Western jets by late summer), but useless in the *immediate* term. And a similar timeline would hold up for establishing the infrastructure to support the aircraft (training mechanics, getting the necessary levels of spares in inventory and have the pipelines established to get parts from the warehouses to the flightline, etc.).
USAF has the advantage of numbers... You can have less trained flying support to more experienced... It's different for smaller airforce facing bigger airforce. Your pilots need to be prepared for all possible scenarios and work with all the assets you have.
My country booted all flight personel over 30 years old, switched command language to english and brought in US instructors, when it switched from migs and drakens to hornets.
@@Zarobien The manual you are talking about gives this "2 months timeline" on transitioning in case of same family and avionics, like it takes 2 months for transfer from F-16 to F-18 but the period for transition to 5th generation is 1 year. That's in case of similar avionics in almost all platforms even 5th gen but jumping from Soviet Era avionics to F-16 block 50 would need at-least 2 years.
Even after that Russia can easily outmatch these aircrafts by taking out bases and disrupting supply chain......
Pakistan have F-15(block 50),Mirage and Chinese J-10 and according to their manual going from F-16 to J-10CE requires 2 years due to presence of fifth gen tech in aircraft but at the same time, going from Jf-17 block 3 to J-10 is 2 months in case of Chinese heavy variant of Jf-17.
It will take a lot longer than a few months to train a pilot to fly an American aircraft. The pilots need to be able to win a fight for their lives; otherwise, the pilots' lives and aircraft will be wasted. It would be much better to try to hire former USAF pilots as mercenaries, like the WWII flying Tigers.
Ukraine would need a few hundred F-16 or F15C. Give a former USAF pilot 500k dollars a year plus 50k dollars for every verified Russian aircraft they shoot down.
@@UsmanSiddiq1 isn't both the mig-29 and f-16 considered 4th generation? i did some quick searching and it seems that only the F-16E/F block 60, F-16V block 70/72, F-16 CCIP, and F-16 C/D Ozgur have fifth generation radars
I think it's a heavy lift. They're having a lot of success with drones, maybe that's a better avenue, and cruise missiles.
Finally an unbiased report from your channel about Ukraine. Thank you
I liked this video. It shows so well the world behind the scene and what creates the coordination problem between political statements and reality...
This channel's sense of humor has never failed to make me laugh out loud, thanx!!!
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The front-on shot of the Mig in flight is beautiful!
It is a good looking plane
Heyy which editing software do you use the quality of editing is damm lit
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The "upgrades" to the Polish Fulcrums don't consist of sensitive avionics. You're thinking of the Slovak MiGs that were upgraded with Israeli kit. The Polish airframes really only received IFF comms, which would not be utilized in Ukraine in the first place, and TACAN, which is not sensitive whatsoever.
and how do you know that?
Ether a pilot of said migs or one of those military "enthusiasts" who did digging.
They can slap on gps with double stick tape like russia is doing lol.
the only thing Poland will do with its MiGs is that it will protect Slovak airspace because Slovakia sent all its MiGs to Ukraine in exchange for F-16s and Gripen
Actually, polish migs were upgraded by IAI in Israel. So you may want to look further into it;I did already.
Even skilled pilots and aircrews would need years of training on new aircraft.
The planes are SU 27 and Mig 29. Ukraine pilots already are trained on them. In fact some Ukrainian pilots are trained on F 15 and F 16.
Ukraine pilots have been training in California for 8 .5 years now to learn western tactics. Along with tactics training on American jets
maybe not to fly and fight with them, but to be superior to the russians tactics-wise yes
@@reginaldmctinface7910 Dead Russian jets are being found with commercial GPS systems duck taped to the instrument panels. Russian military might is an illusion, and I'm beginning to question whether their nuke capabilities may be exaggerated as well
@@puellamservumaddominum6180 Not enough
@@thepsychicspoon5984 if you say so. So what planes do you fly?
Excellent
Opening caught me off guard.
Doesn't matter if the US sends a 100 F-35's there, because they damn as shit aren't sending the pilots with them. And Ukraine doesn't have any pilots to fly good fighters like Hornets, F-35's, F-22's, Typhoons, Rafales, Gripens etc. So it doesnt matter if they get NATO fighters, they have no pilots for them.
How about 3000 region locked Nuclear armed Nike missile for defense (with an exception) and around 300 million Big Mac of illegals for lend lease (service guaranteed citizenship per head of family with 40 hectare of land in Siberia and a Toyota Hilux with couple of Javelin?
Damn as shit is a new one.
How about A-10 since the air forces insists on retiring them, might accidentally turn some British into mince meat?
Poland has soviet aircraft
Just train them
Ukraine: Hey EU, send us fighter jets.
Europe: We pray for you, stay strong!
USA is one of the meanest and most cowardly countries in the world. They completely went over to the side of Putin in 2017, destroying all the defenders of Ukraine, and whom only this vile and cowardly country could reach. The FSB of Russia operate in the United States completely freely and commit much more serious crimes than in Europe. The US government strongly encourages such activities and never discourages them. Thank you all for your attention.
@CtrlAltDelicious69 but he is right, EU just abandoned Ucrain
Do you want to know why Russia has not been removed from the UN? Or WHY don't send fighter jets against Russia? Cuz If anything, IF the US really wanted to resolve the crisis in Ukraine, the US would break up with NATO forever. In 1991, when the USSR collapsed, the Russians dissolved the Warsaw Pact. However, NATO was not dissolved. It was the opposite. NATO grew in power, in territorial extension and in the number of allied countries. (And NOT precisely "Allied Countries", but rather "Countries Subordinate to the will of the US", which is the correct name). In this war Mr. Putin is DEFENDING his homeland. Mr. Putin is fighting today against only ONE Country (Ukraine), cuz if he doesn't fight Ukraine today, then tomorrow he will have to fight against 30 countries that make up NATO. At the end of WWII, NATO had 8 allied countries. During the height of the Cold War, NATO already had 14 countries in total. Today, when the USSR and Communism no longer exists, there are 30. Just in case we all forgot. Mr. Zelensky was a television Comedian who won the Presidency of Ukraine thanks to Mr. Petro Poroshenko (this one of great academic and political merit), who was ridiculed for the Parodies that Mr. Zelensky made on TV. And why didn't Mr. Poroshenko stop these taunts and slanders against him? Answer: Cuz Mr. Poroshenko did not want to "Affect" the Freedom of Expression in Ukraine, and cuz Mr. Poroshenko never thought that a Comedian without experience and without political stature (without political or physical stature), could beat him in a vote. (The same case with Hillary/Trump. And for that same reason, Mr. Zelensky sent the two opposition leaders to jail and controlled Ukrainian TV militarily, with the support of the US). Well... Already as President, Mr. Zelensky dazzled him by the proposals of the International Monetary Fund (Headquarters in Washington, DC), in which he would be filled with money if he agreed to join NATO, it was easy for him to challenge the power of Russia. Today Mr. Zelensky is ALONE and friendless. Mr. Zelensky faces Mr. Putin in absolute solitude. What does Mr. Putin want? Answer: Russia cannot allow a NATO Military Base on its immediate border. What does the United States want? Answer: The US has almost 800 Military Bases spread all over the world, and they need another 800 more Bases, to subsume Russia. That is what the US wants: Subsume Russia. But... BUT, the US will not enter a war to defend Mr. Zelensky, cuz China would side with Russia. End of history and possibly end of the United States. Governing a country is serious business. A country cannot be Governed by a TV Comedian. Finally, for the US the issue of its National Security is something non-negotiable. (The Pentagon is PARANOID on this point). However, this same Right to Defend Itself, US is denied to Russia and it is also denied to all the countries of the world. No one in the world can pose a threat to the US, but in reality, the US is a real threat to everyone. Now, please read the words of Mr. Vladimir Putin: “Russia has always advocated for the creation of a system of equal and indivisible Security. A system that is vital for the entire world community. In December last year (in 2019), we proposed to conclude an agreement on Security Guarantees. Russia called on the West to an honest dialogue to search for reasonable compromise solutions. To take into account each other's interests (US-Europe/Russia). All in vain. The NATO/US countries did not want to hear us, which means that in fact they had completely different plans from the beginning… And we saw it”.
@@dexfuris7724 It's a shame a fellow Warframe player doesn't get the fact that there's more than 2 interests at play; Ukraine is a country of 43 million, Europe has a population of hundreds of millions who depend on Russian oil to not freeze to death in the winter as well as drive the infrastructure to deliver food to their shelves and let them live their lives. Faliure to respect that dependance could easily cause the equivalent of Ukraine's entire population to freeze/starve to death or die due to panicked violence over remaining supplies, which is not a worthwhile sacrifice to the at-risk countries.
Has the short-sightedness and unwillingness of previous generations of politicians to change the status quo and develop energy independance created a no-win scenario for the current generation that could be considered borderline treasonous? Yes. Can the current generation of people do anything about those issues in a meaningful timeframe to allow them to commit to Ukraine? No - even if they tried to, it would be hard to impliment reforms and develop the means to power themselves in time to allow them to help out and even harder to keep such changes from the Russians who could easily preempt such moves by prematurely withdrawing their support for the mobilising European powers.
It's one of the reasons why the UK and Poland taken the lead on this; with access to North Sea oil and supplylines to other nations which are at no threat of Russian attack, the UK can afford to be a bit ballsier in their actions towards Russia than the likes of Germany and France who are at immediate threat of national collapse should Russia withdraw their resources and Germany in particular would struggle to even import oil from elsewhere since all their ports are in range of Russian planes/missiles, meanwhile Poland's willing to take risks because they know if Ukraine falls they're likely next so it's better for them to win the fight in Ukraine than fight in their own land.
Also nukes. 43 million refugees is awful but not half so bad as billions bathed in nuclear fire because genuine threats were belittled as brinkmanship.
Ukraine : Give us billions of dollars worth of military gear,
World : gives them billions of dollars worth of military gear
Slovakia has just donated their entire MiG-29 fleet
6:07 the Windows 11 burn was brilliant
my wife is hungry and wants to eat, but its not as easy as you think.
Is she that big? :O
The potato bit was pretty clever
Polish are not fools. They may be (insert polish joke here) but they are not fools
Hi, this video is not up-to-date bcs Slovakia had sent 12 MiG 29s and 30 t72 to Ukraine in early September. Either way really good video.
Clear, deep, and well researched. Hot potatoes have become mashed potatoes.
I’ve been saying to my friends re the difference in transfer of jets and tanks: If the UK sent its Cold War era Chieftains, the worst an experienced Ukrainian tank crew could do is drive it into a ditch, and you might have some cuts and bruises. If we gave them our old Tornados or Hawks, considering the shortened training they would be on, they risk dropping out of the sky, with the possible deaths of the pilot and their trainer. Like during the Battle of Britain, an experienced pilot is way more valuable than the plane they fly in
Why do i believe that the EU , UK and even US say they send military "aid" to ukraine , but they actually get all the rusty stock they would otherwise phase out and send it there? Correct me if im wrong , chieftains , first gen Stingers and all javelins are something , but are not of quality to what the ukrainians need. This is more of a matter quantity vs quality in my head
@@Ben-ek1fz You don't need to train Ukrainian pilots on how to fly Mig-29s... unless all of the avionics were ripped out and replaced by NATO equivalents, I guess.
@@Ben-ek1fz Considering how the war is going, and considering that APC's and IFV's seem to have more of a life span then tanks (possibly because of support? Just a theory) and how stagnant and WW1 esque with trenches it's become, it's no surprise that even Aircraft are next to useless in modern day fighting.
They're only making about five sorties a day. If you have excess or junior pilots why not.
Those aircraft come with ejection seats. They can get in another aircraft after they parachute down
Enjoyed the humor
Tbh Putin didn't state he will use nuclear weapons news got out of hand with that he stated "We have moved our nuclear readiness higher as the chances of Nato coming into the war is higher"
“Threatened to use the nightmother-word” lmao
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It's taken a while but thankfully this is now changing...
That redhead at 30 sec thou…
Poland offered to send their 28 jets via the US. The US actually considered it, but eventually decided not to. This is less clear-cut than it looks in hindsight.
Right, I was extremely unimpressed with Poland's publicity stunt, it looked like a populist political game to me. A dangerous thing to do in war.
The populists are against this neocon farce of a war.
imo the US wanted to test russia's reaction at the expense of Poland
Mig-29 don’t have enough range to reach Ukraine from the U.S. base in Ramstein. That was a publicity stunt, not a serious proposal.
@@RobBCactive US put Poland under pressure with their "green light" and it was made public without even basic consultation with polish autorities, but when we want to comply and give 1/3 of our fleet but share responsibility they deem whole thing too dangerous for US. Soo its seems they wanted us to risk everything, and have no reel reasurences we get any help in case russia get involved.
"Russia reported destroying S-300 launchers that were provided by some EU state to Ukraine"
...awkwardly laughing in Slovak...
@@Mal101M Ah yes, the only Air defense system we have is destroyed, I love my country... But fr though, we know nothing and we even wanted to send MIGs to Ukraine, the only fighter jets we have, so because of our "generosity" we'll give our whole army to Ukraine
“The only country that has sent fighter jets into Ukraine… Is Russia.”
See, Russia is such a good friend that even when at war they send planes to Ukraine.
True they are pretty bad at landing them so they usually need the help of AIM from the Ukrainian side and yes usually they try to give their ammo to Ukraine by launching it directly but it's the thought that counts :)
@CtrlAltDelicious69 They're just trying to send the ammo via plane but sadly live ammo tends to explode when it reaches the ground. It's a tragedy really.
Finding humor in a terrible war is hard, but I agree the dark humor works here for this comment.
Russian helicopters are very good at supplying every type of Ukrainian ground force with much needed missiles! They are very good pals indeed.
yeah thats true
The Russians are the biggest donors of Tanks to Ukraine.
it actually wouldn't take that long to train an already qualified pilot to fly an f16. it takes upto 2 years for a recruit to learn to fly. a trained pilot will be able to transfer his skills to any aircraft. other than taking a bit of time to learn the new systems, the basic controls of any aircraft are pretty much the same.
Undoubtedly, the threat of nukes is keeping the supply engagements to defensive weapon supplies.
Jets would not make a difference without large numbers and proper tactical implementation. Russia, unfortunately, has SAMs that can reach from their territory to Ukraine. It’s already been difficult for Ukraine to take on many missions. Added jets may not even be able to fly due to SAM coverage.
Per dollar, there’s more difference that can be made with drones and man-portable asymmetric warfare equipment. The time to bring them operational is effectively zero, which is huge operationally.
Regarding country statements, NATO and the EU simply need to cooperate better and get their stories down. They have been consistent with their behaviors far more than the occasional statements that have been cherry-picked. What they are spending money on shows their involvement, not their statements.
Lastly, any arms sales decision has to make its way through significant bureaucracy, for a good reason. These checks and balances ensure that decisions aren’t as swift as what someone says randomly. The final outcomes will be in line with considered decisions, and statements will only give clues to leanings, as opposed to actual policies.
russian sam is terrible tho. Their rocket systems are terrible in general, most of the time their rocket is worth more than the equipment it destroys lol.
@@dvls442 lmfao
@@dvls442 according to ?
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@@justaguy363 he cant, he's not correct. The s300's are one of the best anti aircraft systems in the world, and the russians have even better ones. They might be expensive, i cant say, but they're certainly effective
@@seancostello4158 indeed. Russian anti air systems are actually decent. A robust anti-air capability has long been part of soviet and Russian doctrine to counter Nato air-power. Though this does have to assume the systems are properly maintained and operated by competent crews. While on the whole the Russian military is pretty poorly trained, the Russian troops operating their newer systems are generally at least somewhat competent.
But against kinda outdated fighters like mig-29s, even with less than ideal maintenance and a pretty poorly trained crew, they can still pose some level of danger.
At the same time even old fighters like mig-29s are still expensive compared to other weapons. Operating them is also difficult since there needs to be infrastructure in place to rearm, refuel, and maintain the planes as well as runways.
Basically fighters are not a cost effective weapon to send Ukraine and their is pretty high risk of losing the jets to anti-air systems.
The main problem, as many have already stated, is that a jet fighter takes years to master.
So they don’t have pilots?
@@Drewbyy dude, every model is a world. And also, as the video says, there´re the language barriers.
It is not like you change your Lada for a BMW. This is far bigger.
@@andresr.viguera9791 How is "it takes years to master" relevant, when the conflict has been going on since 2014? That's like an elderly person saying they should've exercised more when they were younger, and therefor excising in their 60s is pointless. That doesn't make any sense. any mastery is useful. You start today, so that you're ready and prepared for tomorrow's war.
@@willek1335 if so they should've bought and master it before the invasion began, and no one will give away fighters for free back then. Even if there are pilots who went on an exchange program it's just a few of them not the entire air force.
There are plenty of Soviet era fighters Ukrainian pilots can fly with almost no transition time. They can’t be expected to make the switch to western designs that fast but there are airframes available
In the end it comes down to picking sides. The ones that don't have the "protection" from picking a side and trying to stay neutral will ultimately get bullied into "picking" a side and since Ukraine technically wasn't a part of NATO but an ally because they didn't want the USA doing operations in their country (understandably) it means that technically Russia didn't attack NATO land.
Ukraine didn't want to be a part of nato for the same reason finland wasn't, they know that Russia will take any excuse to invade them.
Now that it's clear Russia doesn't need that good a pretense to invade a sovereign nation, you see all those russia bordering countries feel the need to join NATO.
Russia invading Ukraine is unjustified, and sending thousands to die for avoidable reasons. That's the common sense side.
Hmmm. That's exactly what I was thinking. Where was the "not what you think?"
To answer the last question: yes. But similarly, in that hypothetical scenario, Russia probably wouldn't have invaded. Or they would have had more capable conventional forces with which to invade.
I think military posturing, including nuclear deterrence, is all a game of poker. You want to make the other side believe you will go through with an attack if they don't back down. The best way of doing that may be to be prepared to actually going through with it. But what matters is if that other side believes that you will. Are you bluffing, or do you hold the cards?
Comment sounds funny, because I copied it to large parts from an old comment to not have to rewrite everything.
Will not happen, unless Putin would be completely careless about his people and he takes the destruction of Russia in purchase.
With the supplies we are it completely in international law, would even have the possibility to send troops. Should Ukraine allow/ask for it, of course won't happen, but to clarify the framework.
Conventionally Russia would have no chance against NATO, not militarily, not economically and not via cultural soft power.
Remains the nuclear option, the fear of which is just gladly exploited by the Putin fanboys to create more panic, so that they get their way for Russia and deliveries are stopped.
If Putin is not a complete madman, this option is not possible.
Never heard of the MAD doctrine?
Some escalation levels are missing and there were clearly more critical moments in the past, in Korea Soviets and U.S. jets shot each other down, in Vietnam there were 10 thousands of Soviet "observers".
Russia's territoriality is not threatened.
Putin does not have sole control of nuclear weapons, at least 6-7 other people, from 3 pillars/parts of Russia must pass on their part of the code, including the Defense Minister.
Clearly these are most likely Putin loyalists, but the will also think about committing virtual suicide and giving up everything for Ukraine.
Also, NATO and Russia have said a few weeks before the war to nuclear conflicts that the use of these should not be an option for any state.
That would not make sense and would be a paradox:
Russia sacrifices itself to get their goals in Ukraine, but when they use nuclear weapons, they have nothing more of their successes.
I have already written a longer text about the atomic bomb, I can only repeat myself:
The threat of the atomic bomb is part of the Russian game. You can only understand that if you come from that culture. Russia does not respect the West, there are jokes in talk shows about sending a bomb to Washington and one to London afterwards. Russia is deliberately using that to intimidate because they know that the diplomatic West will shit their pants if even the word "nuclear" is mentioned.
I can give you a few reasons why neither the Russians, nor the Ukrainians believe that Putin will detonate the nuclear bomb.
Someone who is so worried about his life will not risk being blown up. It's psychological. Apart from that, he has children.
2. the ignition is not like in a cartoon. The whole thing goes through several areas of responsibility minimum 7 people are involved and Putin does not have it in his hands alone. And there will always be a reasonable one in such a long chain. Believe that.
3. he sells the whole thing as a "liberation mission" to free Ukraine and annex it to Russia through a pro-Russian anti-Western government. He could never sell a nuclear strike to his own people.
No one in Ukraine is toying with this idea and certainly not in Russia. It is only the West that rotates. One simply has to understand that the strongest weapon of Russian propaganda is not the atomic bomb, but the game in the head with our fear of the atomic bomb which consequently makes us stop thinking strategically.
Somehow youtube does not allow me to link an article from the "Russian International Affairs Council".
My comment is always deleted, but I can recommend the articles on some topics, there are also Russian ambassadors etc. co-write the articles, give interviews also not directly on state line, but unusually neutral, if you read between the lines.
That's why we are taking small steps over the red line. Not enough to rock the house but small enough to challenge it, then another one, and another one. By the time we are way past the red line, it's too late for Russia to react to it.
Kind of sounds like north korea.
Just park them by the border. If they happen to get "stolen" by Ukrainian pilots....well...🤷♂️
Like the video said they would need to trains for at least a year in the planes. But Poland did have 200 t-72s randomly go missing near the border.
@@vyros.3234 I think he's talking about the Migs. Like how the US and Canada went around a rule in WW2 leading to creation of airports smack in the border between the US and Canada. It's funny and ingenious. Putin won't appreciate the humor though.
@@acctsys Exactly. Finders keepers!! 🖕Putin
@@acctsys Yeah but I think he means to 'steal' one of those aircraft requires training. The very act of getting it ready to fly, taking off, making it to where you're going and landing safely is a fair amount of knowledge and training, even for a pilot and ground crew experienced in another similar aircraft.
Time will tell
yes
Another good one. As usual. Keep ist up. 👍
i'm sorry but this isn't the thruth.
Poland wanted to give Ukr our jet fighters on condintion that US will replenish our fleet with old for your standars F-16.
And also our fighters will be fistly handed to US and after that US will give MIGS to Ukr.
BUT both propositions were rejected by US.
PS. sorry for quality of my post
Your post is fine :-)
I feel like that's exactly what we said in our video though.
The Polish minister of defense said they weren’t going to send any Jets.
Poland literally sent jets to the American military base in Germany and wanted America to fly them into ukraine. ZERO American soldiers will ever fly or walk into ukraine. Idk why they though America would replenish their planes. I woke up to see everyone shocked on CZcams by this entire ordeal. Someone probably got fired.
5:55 Ah I see, they should give the jets to Switzerland. We have experience in partially dismantling things so we can sell them without violating some law. We will just remove the wings or whatever, ship the parts independently to Ukraine and then claim we never sent them fighter jets, we only send them streamlined cars and wings.
Well nice and informative video buddy. If u close ur eyes problems not gonna vanish😂😂😂
Holy shit my sides went to Mars when you made the hot potato analogy. Omg that is brilliant writing lmao
I love the fact that despite being interested in this topic I literally can't tell if Polish MiGs are in Ukraine or not. And I hope It'll stay that way as long as possible
Some guy is claiming that Polish helicopter gunships are operating there.
@@I_Have_The_Most_Japanese_Music I’ve heard this as well!!! Also heard of polish Ukrainian TR3-B’s there as well!!
There are many rumors going around here, that our airfields where MiGs were, Im sorry, are based, got a bit quieter...
0:20 lmao caught me off guard
exactly what I thought
Please give me my medal
See,I used the magic word
lol, need to make it to top 3 😅
Or #4 to get a participation trophy 😉
Of course the Ukrainian pilots can learn to fly the F-15 or 16 in just a few weeks. The only flight experience Luke Swywalker had was shooting womp rats in Beggar's Canyon and he did just fine in an X-Wing.
to be fair he knew how to fly t 16 or whatever the model craft he was playing with in movie was named. X wings where made by the same company and had controls basicly copied from it. So he only had to readjust to slightly diffrent ones and new functions
What are you on about? Luke was planning to join an imperial flight academy. He has been flying an atmospheric sky hopper which uses essentially the same controls as an x wing
@@warwickthekingmaker7281 yup, closest thing irl would be like moving from demilitarized jet into fully armed one
Well there’s the solution, supply Ukraine with X-Wings….
If you're going to drop a silly movie reference, drop Independence Day. Crop Duster pilots to Ace F-18 pilots in 24 hours...
What has happened to the F16 the allies promised Ukraine stop messing about get them sent now.
"Just like Windows 11", LOL. You have a way with humor.
Yep most people think that just because you give a Fighter Pilot a plane they can fly and use it as a weapon with only a few hours training. Even if that was true they need several hours of maintenance after each flight or two. The black boxes need Avionics Test Sets to diagnose them and highly trained technicians to use those Test Sets to fix those black boxes. Even with that you need special power requirements, specialized spare parts, not to mention the Engines, Hydraulic and Airframe Test Fixtures and parts. All this takes years to set up, build and train technicians to do this highly specialized work. So just giving Ukraine F-16's, F-15's or A-10's or any airplane except what they're already set up to fly and maintain wouldn't have any effect for at least two years. The best play is to give them systems they're already used to and ones easy to train on. You're video was spot on. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya Former US Navy Avionics Depot Repair Technician & AT1 USN/USNR-TAR Retired.
The war has been going on since 2014. What makes you think it ends tomorrow, or within the next couple of years?
@@willek1335 I agree 100% with you, and I don't think it will end in the next two years. Only that right now we need to arm Ukraine with weapons they can use right now, and NATO allies need to start some training programs now to get the ball rolling for the future. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
And bunches of spare parts, technicians, mission specialists. simulators, etc.
@@willek1335 possible hyperinflation and recession
@@Thunderbyrd. For sure, if Ukraine is going to join NATO and they should we need to get started on this now. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya
I ain’t sure why this comes under the category “not what you think”. This was exactly what I thought. The issue has been covered pretty thoroughly.
That's just the channel's name....
Lol, love the dry humour here :D
I appreciated the dig at Windows 11 :p
After the bit about Windows 11 I hit the like button so hard I thought I broke it!
That Windows 11 joke got me. I installed W11 on launch day, then back in February it stopped working. No explorer, no search, no start nothing. Had to "downgrade" back to W10, and my computer has been working flawlessly ever since. Great video by the way.
@@Craigx71 I've actually been considering that. I used to run dual boot Linux/Windows about 10 years ago, but moved solely to Windows because of compatibility issues. I know that today most of those issues aren't here any more, but I think I've been holding off purely from habit.
Thanks for the reminder to stop procrastinating, and to look into this again haha.
@@Christopher_S lots of software and games are specifically designed for windows and don't work on other OS
LOL windows 11 catching strays
wow
Your the best
The part where he said "the russia only sends the aircraft" made me laugh because I don't know if it means giving or attacking with it 😂
because it's more proffitable to sell other types of weapons to them. the whole war is about proffit on other peoples expense
We should've already had a small fleet of these fighters to train and train others with smh...
We should have irrelevant Jets to train our pilots to fly those irrelevant jets rather than fly the state of the art ones? Or we should send such Jets to anyone and everyone so they could have training with them too? What would be the point of that besides limiting our nations military power
@@joiytredgbhgdryyn4691 thats the point, we are giving you the tools to defeat russia, we are gaving you our last equipment but not the last generation! and fighter jets are the ultimate weapon so far so no lol totally normal!
"President Putin had previously threatened to use the N-word" that was unexpectedly funny
Great question at the end, using hindsight and seeing how hard Ukraine have hit ruzzia Its pretty clear a head to head with a full NATO response would wipe the floor with ruzzian armour, aircraft is still a bit unclear but I think the Patroit SAM would give good results.
Ukraine has not jut russia hard
0:22 wicked😎
this is like when your parents get you one of those cheap "pc gaming and streaming kit"
but its fighting themed 😂
Firstly, the US did - from what I see and I explain below - send Ukraine MiG-29's that we bought from Romania after the collapse of the USSR. We bought them after finding out that Iranians were looking at buying them. Pentagon spokesman Kirby did say we sent 'airframes' and 'parts' and then wouldn't elaborate further. The press started asking about the airframes part the next day and he responded this time just saying Ukraine has received many parts for the MiG-29's. And like magic, 25 MiG-29's appeared in Ukraine. Poland was not backfilled with F-16s, which the US was willing to send to them as brand new units that were supposed to be going to Taiwan, which only leaves the US as the potential supplier.
Second, the US base is in Germany, not the United States. It's much harder for us to make a call that could impact Germany than if it were on our own soil.
Third, that S-300 system Russia found Ukraine had been using after they destroyed it was very likely also American, as we had sent the units we bought in the 90's to study (though I forget where we got them from exactly at the moment) to Ukraine.
Came from the zoo here at Tonopah test range. They warehouse and also test foreign military equipment here in the Nevada test ranges.
The foreign S-300s were from Slovakia. The U.S. backfilled Slovakia with Patriots. The S-300s that the U.S. acquired came from Belarus in the 1990s. Rumor has it they're also on their way.
u just spoke all factz
The thing is, we (Poland) already made a deal to purchase a fleet of 32 F-35s from the US, back in early 2020 and paid at least some of the agreed upon 4.6 billion $. The jets were supposed to be arriving gragually between 2024 and 2026.
So we do not give a damn about not switching our MiGs for "brand new" crap US doesn't want or need. Give us the good shit we paid for.
I am from Slovakia and I do not know that we have 12 Migs. Maybe 2 od them can fly. We can help only with spare parts.
Ukranians do not need jets, their tractor drivers are biggest Putins problem.
Maybe I am mistaken but I think Slovak Migs were upgraded with Israeli kit, If it's true then no way the Israelis will allow you to donate such stuff and especially not to an open conflict where such technology can be stolen.
@@itzikashemtov6045 I do not know how can izraels upgrade ours jets that they can fly again. :D We send to Ukraine S300.
The Polish jets are now in Ukraine. They didn't "give" them to Ukraine though. It was a Ukrainian "special jet acquisition operation". They also secured parts and other forms of support like training and weapons for the aircraft.
They gonna get shot down easily , Russia is winning , Putin is winning against the Ukranian nazis and the hegemony from the west , the Empire of Lies wont be allowed to win.
Its a "special shoot down the jets operation". F Ukraine , F NATO , F America a sick country , F europe cucks obeying the americans orders.
Can you link a source for this?
I call BS on that statement.
Give the link, bcs it's a bullshit
Only the parts of the polish migs were given to Ukraine and the empty shells of the migs are still there.
Being in South Carolina I love seeing our National Guard in videos.
It’s like a game to them
The video is misleading, poland did WANT to send Su-29s to ukraine. It was actually NATO opposing this decision and US refusing to participate in the transfer process. The statement at the beginning is simply false. At the time of writing of this comment, Slovakia is sending their fighter jets to ukraine, for which Polish air forces will protect their sky untill the end of 2022.
Now, what is the true reason that the initial transfer of Polish jets was not succesfull, we don't know. THe main speculations are that Polish aircraft are constantly modernized and NATO was afraid that the avionics and systems would fall into russian hands.
Poland doesn't have su 29s what are you talking about
Yesyesyes, you're right, I was referring to mig-29, not sukhoi 😞
Drones are much more cheaper than an aircraft
A correction here poland was for sending jets to Ukraine but they were advised by the usa to not do it
Wrong. US was trying to force Poland to give it directly to Ukraine. But Poland said here are the jets. You give them yourselves.. 😂😂
@@isserdigan2835 it was a transfer from poland to us then Ukraine when there were talks about humanitarian corifors still in discusion bethen ukrain and russia. You can search it on any search engine. CZcams doesn't let me post links in coments for a long time so i can't bring sources
I fell in love @ 0:29 😍
Be everyone is sackless.
One thing not mentioned is that Europe uses metric units and US imperial, so it seems like an obstacle for Ukraine pilots, especially in a combat situation to "potentially" transition to the American airplanes with different altitude, speed, fuel amount and pressure units, not to mention learning a new plane, better to find a way to transfer Mig29s. Unfortunately, these airplanes are a substantial and important part of air defenses of the European countries having them - especially in the current situation. India has quite a lot of them, but that would be quite impossible.
Do you want to know why Russia has not been removed from the UN? Or WHY don't send fighter jets against Russia? Cuz If anything, IF the US really wanted to resolve the crisis in Ukraine, the US would break up with NATO forever. In 1991, when the USSR collapsed, the Russians dissolved the Warsaw Pact. However, NATO was not dissolved. It was the opposite. NATO grew in power, in territorial extension and in the number of allied countries. (And NOT precisely "Allied Countries", but rather "Countries Subordinate to the will of the US", which is the correct name). In this war Mr. Putin is DEFENDING his homeland. Mr. Putin is fighting today against only ONE Country (Ukraine), cuz if he doesn't fight Ukraine today, then tomorrow he will have to fight against 30 countries that make up NATO. At the end of WWII, NATO had 8 allied countries. During the height of the Cold War, NATO already had 14 countries in total. Today, when the USSR and Communism no longer exists, there are 30. Just in case we all forgot. Mr. Zelensky was a television Comedian who won the Presidency of Ukraine thanks to Mr. Petro Poroshenko (this one of great academic and political merit), who was ridiculed for the Parodies that Mr. Zelensky made on TV. And why didn't Mr. Poroshenko stop these taunts and slanders against him? Answer: Cuz Mr. Poroshenko did not want to "Affect" the Freedom of Expression in Ukraine, and cuz Mr. Poroshenko never thought that a Comedian without experience and without political stature (without political or physical stature), could beat him in a vote. (The same case with Hillary/Trump. And for that same reason, Mr. Zelensky sent the two opposition leaders to jail and controlled Ukrainian TV militarily, with the support of the US). Well... Already as President, Mr. Zelensky dazzled him by the proposals of the International Monetary Fund (Headquarters in Washington, DC), in which he would be filled with money if he agreed to join NATO, it was easy for him to challenge the power of Russia. Today Mr. Zelensky is ALONE and friendless. Mr. Zelensky faces Mr. Putin in absolute solitude. What does Mr. Putin want? Answer: Russia cannot allow a NATO Military Base on its immediate border. What does the United States want? Answer: The US has almost 800 Military Bases spread all over the world, and they need another 800 more Bases, to subsume Russia. That is what the US wants: Subsume Russia. But... BUT, the US will not enter a war to defend Mr. Zelensky, cuz China would side with Russia. End of history and possibly end of the United States. Governing a country is serious business. A country cannot be Governed by a TV Comedian. Finally, for the US the issue of its National Security is something non-negotiable. (The Pentagon is PARANOID on this point). However, this same Right to Defend Itself, US is denied to Russia and it is also denied to all the countries of the world. No one in the world can pose a threat to the US, but in reality, the US is a real threat to everyone. Now, please read the words of Mr. Vladimir Putin: “Russia has always advocated for the creation of a system of equal and indivisible Security. A system that is vital for the entire world community. In December last year (in 2019), we proposed to conclude an agreement on Security Guarantees. Russia called on the West to an honest dialogue to search for reasonable compromise solutions. To take into account each other's interests (US-Europe/Russia). All in vain. The NATO/US countries did not want to hear us, which means that in fact they had completely different plans from the beginning… And we saw it”.
@@salvadorvizcarra769 I see you spend lots of time online, so I have a question - whose troops are in another country killing civilians for fun - still thinking that NATO has no purpose?
Although, I’m unsure of the scale of the new Lend Lease that the US has made. I have heard that the US is willing to trade legacy tanks to EX Warsaw Pact so a country like Poland can transfer their soviet tanks to Ukraine. Maybe this can apply to Fighter Jets, of course under the table.
Poland already delivered 200+ T-72 tanks.
@@SHVRWK, As I’ve heard. I hope the Ukrainians use them well.
@@Butter_Warrior99 there won't be much of a difference between what happened to Russian t72 and what's going to happen with polish super old t72s
Already there's a news that out of 200 20-30 are already destroyed while bringing them by rails due to missile strikes
@@aarshbhushan1062, True. But the fact Poland is doing something, is better than watching the chaos.
@@Butter_Warrior99 Yea , but somewhere i think this is more like providing fuel to ongoing fire
Russia has large no. Of troops/weapons/etcetc
They won't stop ,and if Ukraine too dosent stops then casualties will cross limits
Surrendering is more of a logical and practical way rather than going inn for a stupid war where you know casualties will be done on both sides in masses
And not to mention that if Putin feels like he is loosing, things are going out of hand which we don't seriously know what's going on , he won't take long to use the N thing.
And to escalate things even more, Finnish and Sweedish are adding candles on the poisonous cake.
Might be time to revise
Poland: am I a joke to you?
It's not just that, if they have any good planes that risks getting captured and now Russia knows the technology it's the same reason why you are supposed to destroy a tank after it's taken out of commission so the technology can't be stolen
Yes. NATO and the West are bending over backwards to avoid an escalation into a war between Russia and NATO (even though NATO must know that Russia couldn't handle NATO). This is why a no fly zone was also declined even though Ukraine wanted it. Supplying military equipment is one thing - possible conflict between Western supplied jets and Russian ones is another
NATO isn’t bending over backwards. We’re sending DEATH to Russian soldiers daily. Stingers have denied low level airspace to Russian close air support platforms. Javelins are popping tank turrets and 155mm arty shells are now wrecking Russian troop concentrations. Plus we are providing near real-time airspace surveillance and satellite data. Other than putting boots on the ground (and you can bet US and NATO advisors ARE on the ground in a training role in Western Ukraine) we’re all-in.
I think that NATO is trying to avoid a direct confrontation with Russia precisely because they know that the Russians could not handle it. They know that in a conventional confrontation the Russian forces will be decimated pretty quickly, which will leave them only two options: either engage in a humiliating withdrawal which would likely end the Putin Regime, or resort to tactical nuclear weapons. Obviously this is not a choice we would like to put to them.
In short, the major Western Powers have to avoid a conventional war because they are simply too strong for Russia to really have any choice but to go apeshit.
To be fair, full scale war would be kinda easier to pull out than no-fly zone. They could just put SAM systems at the border and hunt like there's no tomorrow.
@@juliuszkocinski7478 Here's the issue: Nukes. Even tactical nukes. The only reason to use tactical nukes over the current thermobaric weapons Russia is employing, is for a scorch and burn. ICBM's and other larger strategical nukes are for similar. The fallout alone from the amount Russia has at their disposal would be devastating.
And you can be damn well sure Putin, in a war with NATO, won't give a fuck at that point, because he knows it's a lost cause, so will take down as much as he can with him. That's what makes him disgusting. He's already said, in a war with NATO, he will use Nukes, and he will take a scorch and burn approach, where even though he will lose, noone at the end of it will win.
@@MCshadr217 Fully agree with that.
The problem is no-fly zone would essentially mean war nevertheless
4:08 i cant stop laughing for some reason