5.7x28mm, 30gr JHP, SS200, FN DFNS
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Great ammo for practicing malfunction clearance drills lol.
How is a cartridge created by FN, loaded by FN, malfunctioning in an FN gun? How could this be considered acceptable? Especially as a defensive round
imagine their in-house testing...?
Do they even bother?
If a company were set out to sabotage a cartridge - this seems like a pretty good way to do it.
They probably tested it at 70F. “Good enough”.
Maybe FN doesn’t have the people’s self defense as top priority
@@saltymofo5870 Yeah but they really shouldn't be selling it as a self defense round then. They should label it as an expensive toy or something.
@@BristecomSemi only, non-AP, awkward gun... Still not obvious enough? Then you're the intended customer!
Let's get that velocity up @FN
Wow, I can't belive FN name an ammo after the main character of Falling Down!
Thanks @buffrange you always bring us good info. I have loaded the 36 grain Barnes Varmint Grenades and they cycle fine in my PSA Rock. They are 0.137" longer than the 30 grain and I use a bit more powder. A COL of 1.580 seems to work well, but I could stick a little more bullet in the case. I crimp with the Lee factory crimp die.
Those are all very good moves for reliability.
Sadly, that bullet didn't open for me from pistol, when shot into clear gel @ 1949 fps.
Granted it was only a single test, and can be pushed faster, but a bit disappointing.
Maybe worth another chance, though.
Definitely an anemic loading for sure. 30gr varmint grenade handloads that I keep just enough below max to safely use in my 16" ps90 are getting 2490-2500 fps. The handguns can take a few more 0.1s grains, my non-sbr PS90 starts threatening the magazine popping out beyond this. When first starting working that up I noticed some odd velocities and similar failures to cycle which I attributed to low case capacity / inconsistent ignition.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR EXTREMELY EXTENSIVE PRODUCT REVIEW
Glad it was helpful!
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Mike, thanks for stopping by! Hope you are doing well!
Yea I'm waiting for the rock compact to drop! Going to do a review forsure!
The compact Rock and the X57
@@nicoscarfo4486I know bro I can't wait
All 5.7 except AAC and Elite Ammunition.
Whenever I check the website the elite stuff is unfortunately not available, any updates on the situation?
@@DRock1779 Elite and vanguard have ALWAYS been small batches that are announced just before being listed, then they're gone till the next batch. Unless you're watching for the announcements and buying immediately you will never get it.
How is this comment 2 weeks old, on a video released less than an hour ago? Does Patreon include time travel these days?
@@skyhop I get what you mean but in practice I have found vanguard to have stuff available 90% of the time (including as I post this reply) I'm looking and elite at 0%. Hence why I was asking.
Just got some vanguard 35 gr red tips 2160 fps average out of my 5.2 rock
I got a couple boxes of these just to try, but I knew they were going to be severely underloaded.
It did pretty good in the gel, but I wouldn't use it for SD with being on the verge of being too weak to operate the action.
Thats exactly why i got the m&p the gas system should be wayyy more reliable vs blowback
7:24 that last round was based.
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Thanks for testing.
In a race to the basement, this is like you placed it - right at or near the bottom.
~220 ft-lbs from the pistol?
They've managed to finally put it right at a .22 wmr center-fire.
these look like some sweet gnarly rounds with how well it penetrated in the gel
Nahh, these are really only good for smaller game, not for personal protection :D
that's shocking coming from Speer. They should've done better than this. What a shame!@@BuffRANGE
Can we get some s4 and t6b velocities from this decade possibly? All the stuff online is so old, and im sire things have changed since then
I had some S4 going over 2600 fps out of my rock and it popped primers and jammed my striker channel and had to be replaced. The next lot was 2300 fps. All S4. Elite sent me replacement boxes for the over spec’d ammo.
@triggerbarPhD I just bought the new garmin chronograph. I'll be testing some s4 and t6b myself. Both from 2020-2021
Love your testing. Your really put stuff to the test!
I do have a request if you can manage it. I would really love to see the new Guard Dog L4+ Advanced coating.
Thanks.
I'll have to ask them.. :D
@@BuffRANGE Fantastic, thanks!
@@BuffRANGE one more request. A certain ammo in 5.56. 77gr IMI Razor core if you would be so kind. Along with your selections.
Love the video
Excellent job, sir. Your technical skills still makes Mikey cry at night. Hopefully he will gain some ammo intelligence in the future.
Who?
@@BuffRANGE Mike..AKA..Grand Thumb.
@@nateginter1234 I think he’s probably very knowledgeable. Perhaps his video was to promote G9 ammo? Remember his videos are of late almost pure entertainment factor.
@@BuffRANGE I was pretty disappointed GT didn't test any really good 5.7 ammo in his video. Even green tip FN would have been an improvement. Oh well. He still makes good videos. 🤷
@@crxtodd16 That he does. He gets to shoot a LOT of cool stuff!
Any luck on getting the new 5.7 Hornady Critical Defense or Black ammo? Would really like to see you test that, whenever it's available.
I had someone who has a friend at Hornady, no response. Even asked SG Ammo. They have no ETA. I always ask my followers to post on their social asking to send some
Critical Duty is what we want for full sized handguns.
Wow. I’ve been experimenting with reloading 5.7x28, and the varmint grenade was the exact bullet I picked up for the application as it has similar specs as a SS198LF
I'm not seeing the "similar specs" SS198 is an aluminum core OTM round. The Varmint Grenade has a thin jacket and a comrpessed core.
@@BuffRANGE I was simply thinking in terms of grain weight and hollowpoint- not composition
Gotcha. Given that, 30gr Varmint Grenade will work in this platform when you appropriately load it :D I don't think that bullet type is suitable for SD/HD/PP even when properly loaded though. YMMV
@@BuffRANGE agree. Even though I attempt to run SPC on my pissin hot handloading,I leave defensive ammunition manufacturing to the pros. Cheers!
Like Elite? Did you see what that “pro” ammo did to Trigger Bar’s PSA Rock? You are much more likely to be meticulous and caring about your loads.
Would love to see that 12.5 panzer upper with a 556 can on it!
ohh it's awesome. It blows the gas down the mag well, so less gas to the face!
I had a lot of trouble with AE FMJ failing to feed because of the bullet dropping into the case. Pretty much 2 or more per box. That was pre covid and you could get it for $18 a box. But I quit buying it anyway. I've put thousands of 195, 197, 198, and FR199 down range through a FiveSeven and PS90, and not a single failure. As far as a crimping, seems I read somewhere that some FN ammo the bullet is glued. It sure looks like it on the FR199. Have some L191 AP/tracer and it appears to be ever so slightly crimped. I've recently been trying the Fioche FMJ Range Dynamics ammo. So far no failures after about a thousand rounds.
We think that perhaps that’s just the case sealant being transferred on the ones that looked glued. Do you have any Fr199 left ?
@@BuffRANGE yes, have quite a bit left. You need a few rounds to examine? I first thought it was sealant on the bullets. But when I read that FN may be gluing them in place assumed that might be the case on the FR199.
Great video. I'm curious if adding a silencer to the pdw's would give enough back pressure to give serviceable reliability.
Probably would help. It would also help for these to not be powderpuff loads
Absolutely, looks like you tested in in about every 5.7 platform. Thanks!
If ya gotta shoot it out of a 8-16" barrel to defeat armor, then you might as well just go with a 5.56
You’re not wrong!
Nah man. Capacity can play a crazy roll. The p90 is quite literally the perfect platform for cqb. It's not great for 500yrd engagements, but the round isn't made for that.
@@oneounceslugAPEX Nah man, a 11.5" 5.56 NATO AR is better.
@oneounceslugAPEX I'd rather take a 11.5" 5.56 with a 100 round double drum if I really needed ALL that capacity. Or better yet a 8" 300 black out with a 30 round would do more damage, with less trigger pulls.
@railfanningpoints2.045 there's definitely a different ballistic output from 556 but the 5.7 wins the capacity battle. Also the difference in 556 via 11" barrel vs 5.7 in close quarters is just unnecessary output....., both rounds check all cqb boxes; the 556 just has more recoil and less capacity. It's like arguing the ballistic potential of a 9mm vs 45 when the target is within 50 yards. Give me the one that has more rnds.
Great test. I'll be sticking with the AAC 40 grain V-Max.
One word, Finally
Sorry it took me so long.
Great test. Appreciate your opinion at the end
Thank you as always for consuming and the engagement !
Well, now we know why they loaded it so light. They loaded it as fast as they could without it ever being able to penetrate a IIIa vest out of a pistol.
I don't want to ASSUME that's what they did, but the overwhelming evidence seems to confirm that assumption :D
5.7 friendly here
Hey Matt 💪🏼
Hey!
Super interesting test. Since only 16“ was shown on the UHMWPE I assume all shorter ones failed.
The cold weather sensitivity is a bit concerning, are there any indications that the lacquer might change properties at different temperatures?
There's no issues I'm aware of with the coating and temperature. Correct on the armor testing.
@@BuffRANGE thx
Hey I was wondering if you could test Winchester T series in a full power load? I cant find anything on CZcams where someone test the t series out of a 10mm. Might have to reload them yourself from scratch but if you do I thank you in advance.
Great ammo also......
How is this comment 2 weeks old on a video released less than an hour ago? Patreon including time travel?
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@@shavedneon Matt shares his stuff with me before he drops it officially. I'm special ................🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So what's the top 3 best 5.7 brands right now
aAC Vmax, Hornady Black, VG BDF or EA T6B. The T6B and BDF don’t have great accuracy at 25yds though.
The velocity seems poor. I have made some reloads with pulled SS190 projectiles (31gr) and out of a PSA Rock I get 2200 fps pretty consistently.
I’m wondering if the DBX would do better since you can adjust the gas.
by all means certainly. 3 or 4 will do it, but adjusting the gas on that gun is not easy, and the fact remains this load is underloaded and borderline unreliable..
I always feel weird looking straight down it while adjusting the gas. Haha Then trying to shine a flashlight down the handguard to make sure I have both pistons on the same setting. I do like it for making reloaded subsonic cycle reliably.
I have not seen that pistol/rifle rest that can be used at most indoor ranges in which they only give you a small little shelf. Who makes it?
The little grey one I used in the video ?
@@BuffRANGE Yes!
I've noticed all the new loadings for 5.7 are Pud loads. 30gr Should be traveling around 2000 out of a pistol
It could easily be traveling 2,300 fps...
Its interesting, garand thumb just did a video claiming 5.7 is just overpriced 22 mag. Huh, kinda funny how actual testing shows what it can do.
Well he tested the redesigned gold dot and it’s not much better than this. Serious 5.7 folks don’t carry stuff like that :)
@@BuffRANGEyou mentioned the t6b and the bdf loads being good, (when) do you plan to do the vanguard 35gr monumental or the new zombie down loads? Really curious about them as they're half the price of the bfd and may still be viable...
The reliability of this load is quite concerning. Wouldn’t want to carry this that’s for certain.
“Proven reliability” in their marketing literature
The smith and Wesson eats everything
I'll pass, basically the 80s equivalent to the Corbon Sky Marshall rounds. Explosive decompression isnt something I consider when I select a defensive load!
Does anyone know where to get AAC 5.7? Everything I've checked says out of stock, and SS200 won't be filling that void in my heart
Have to wait for it to come back in stock
Thanks for the review, my mileage won’t vary cause I won’t be getting any of these underpowered fn commie seeds
I’d say you are a very wise person.
Ive said it before, I'll say it again, these manufacturers need to sack up.
No doubt. I hope AAC gives us a higher end SD round.
@@BuffRANGE I hope so too. I just got a MRD from the other half for xmas, and immediately threw my ACRO P2 on it.
By the way, for your knowledge, yes it does cycle (despite the 3oz warning on the FN Forum) even with Speer, and Federal FMJ range ammo.
Would really love to run it with a SD round...
Blue or red box FN ammo for me.
Hate to see those pull marks on the bullet. Are they too light for kinetic pulling?
I should see if Frankford Arsenal would send me their wall mount unit. The little bang on the floor hammers tend to throw powder everywhere.
I stick with gold dot and ss198lf for self protection
The Gold Dot isn't much better and SS198LF under penetrates.. Still better than this though.
@BuffRANGE just watched your video on the gold dot. Def looking for some aac or Hornady until elite ammunitions is more available
My load calculator says you could push that bullet to 2200fps and still be 10k below maximum pressure.
How they managed to make it as light as that is actually head scratching. I'm assuming that's a 4.8gr charge of true blue
So it won’t penetrate soft armor from the pistol is why
@@BuffRANGE FN severely needs to get over this concept since ammo is widely available that will penetrate armor from the pistols. The pressures that existed to make that make sense, just aren't a factor anymore.
Needs 5.6 grains 😅
Pitiful, I'll load my own!
:D
So is 198LF still the king for defense?
No, but it depends. The major downfall of the 28gr OTM is it's severe under penetration. If you want to hit FBI depths, this round will NOT do it. Therefore the king of Self Defense is still BDF, and T6B or Dev 2.0/3.0
@@BuffRANGE you're the man!
The problem is you can buy 50grain 9mm from Liberty Ammunition that can travel at 2000+ fps, so what's even the point of 5.7?
A lot of armor now stops Liberty 9mm, but not better offerings of 5.7. ;)
@@BuffRANGE Do you think you could do a direct comparison of the Liberty 9mm to current 5.7 offerings against armor? Could be a fun video.
@@howitzerlance3529I do quite often in my soft armor videos. I have some soft armor testing coming up and it always includes 9mm LCD :)
That's why I haven't been on the 5.7 band wagon
It's hard to justify it when the larger commercial offerings are pitiful.
Thank you for testing this. Now I know not to buy it. I will stick to the specialty loads.
Good choice!
Matt, why you gotta flex on us like that?
I'm already self conscious about my body....
Jk, thanks for another great video.
Such a bummer that this round is a dud. I have a few boxes of it.
Range and practice food :D
The extreme spread turns me off.
"Oh! A new FN defensive round in 30gr!? I wonder if it cycles after the first shot unlike their 27gr ammo." **First shot** ...Nope... Since FN insists on underloading their consumer-grade ammo, they need to put a label on their boxes stating that their ammo will likely not cycle reliably and could end up getting the user seriously injured or k!lled if used for actual defense!
So, once again we have poor ammo for a great platform. Seems like no commercially available ammo is decent, (either unreliable, poor penetration...) Elite and Vanguard have accuracy issues? I just don't get it
I have not had issues with VG in FN or Rock. Ruger and M&P may be different. But yes T6 current design poor accuracy in pistols. He really needs to add the boatail back.
@@BuffRANGEwhat kind of accuracy do you usually get with the VG ammo?
dud fn not test these or somethin
They likely had them tested at 70F. The connect the dots seems to indicate FN makes these loads weak to appease to political pressure on NOT being able to penetrate soft armor from the pistol. look at how FR199 came in during covid then was never for sale anywhere. Look at how they slowed down the Speer Gold Dot...
Do a windows paint screen made to look like your crono , put something clownish on like 14567 and see how many lads are paying attention , have it on screen for a good 5secs before you fire + cut to the real app screen and just dont mention it 😂 .
You'll probably get double the usual comment activity .....imagine nobody questions it 💀.
Test see how sharp we all are....i bet only a handful realise 😂.
That was... Supremely awful. I expected poor performance, but the poor reliability is something I did not expect. Glad to know the bullet isnt even worth handloading for 5.7.
The bullet is OK, but my use case and strive for information in 5.7 world is around SD/PP/HD/LE applications. This 30gr bullet would likely be fine in hunting applications when it's driven to proper velocity.
PizzA
Pepperoni, Mushroom, and Jalapenos
Too light🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Using 5.7 for anything other than poking holes in paper is a mistake.
Why is that?
@@BuffRANGE It is out performed in every way by cheaper, more available alternatives.
@@themadist22455.56 sure. Other pistols not so much. 😊
If that was the case, the terrorist attack at Fort Hood would have had no deaths.
Light loaded soy ammo by FN as usual...
Great review, terrible ammo.
Typical garbage loaded by Fiocchi. About the only company currently that can save 5.7 is AAC.
You are not wrong. AAC, RRWS, EA, VG, 80 Teeth are where it's AT
I am sorry. There are too many adds on this channel and it is becoming a waste of time. CZcams has to whittle down the waste of time for me to watch!
I'm sorry :( AdSense is about the only way I actually earn any income from this to continue testing.
@@BuffRANGE would you working with companies to plug their products mid-video perhaps allow for income flow?
See lots of other creators use this avenue and prefer those over letting the platform choose the "sponsors". I've even learned of some products this way that I'm interested in.
@@ShastaBean Certainly. If a place like SPG, MidwayUSA, Brownells, PSA wanted to sponsor the channel, I'd add an ad-role in somewhere, and turn off monetization. The thing is YT can and still will add ads as long as I'm in the YPP program. I would need to find a sponsor to supplement that monthly income. I then get uneasy about then what the sponsor wants to be placed on video wise. What if I review a Brownell's product and Midway is the sponsor. I go back and forth about it a lot. I never intended this to be a money maker, but it is ever increasingly a money consumer.
@@BuffRANGE all fair points. I'm sure it would invariably turn into a tricky situation, but might be able to juggle who gets the plug(s) based on what the content is, and perhaps avoid those conflicts. Probably easier said, than done and for sure you wouldn't want to get the label slapped on you as a sell-out or question your integrity.
Maybe do adds for politicians? haha!!
I'm all for a creator making profit off of their work and investment in time & materials.
This platform hates us (if people only really knew just how much), so if there's a way to take them out of the money flow...while still getting companies we like the support and benefit them, then it could be a win/win.
That'd probably be about the time YT starts giving you strikes. eek.
NOT impressed.
You are not wrong in any way :D
Thats what happen when FNH try to make their stuff in the USA because of greed, why they dont load and design this at their European division and Winchester to load and sell the ammo they have bought Winchester, doesnt make no sense if you dont do your own stuff and dont care is Fiochi that will, but the ammo is just fine but Winchester would do a better job or their Japanese division
I'm not sure what you're trying to say? Winchester ammo under Olin is not owned by FN. The easiest way to sum this up is FN controls the 5.7's loads power to appease political pressure. They keep the ammo barely passable reliability wise and as long as it doesn't penetrate soft IIIA without restricted loads, they don't see the heat.
@@BuffRANGE Ok! I understand what you say! Makes sense
@@HayMaker-tv2dm Of course that could all be a theory, but when I talked to Speer they seemed to hint at being able to go hotter, but were somehow "not allowed" to. Hornady and AAC aren't controlled by any of FN's 5.7 licensing, and you'll note their loads are the fastest large commercial offerings..
The PSA ROCK IS GARBAGE
Who hurt you 😂
PSA with their high ammo prices. Also everyone that works there is an asshole.
mines run flawlessly 😎💯…
@gullahgeechee2699 You mean "Mine runs flawlessly" I think it's great that you support Congressman Joe Wilson's family business. Do you donate money to the KKK as well? Good boy