Wait a minute. A character points out to woody how great it is not living in a kids room causing him to reconsider if he should be with his kid. I swear I’ve heard this type of plot before.
I know, right? Almost seems like whatever lesson this movie wants him to learn is something Woody has already contemplated and decided against. Or something crazy like that.
@@GamingMagic13 This movie was going to be garbage no matter what but it could have at least been an original piece of garbage as far as character arcs go. I despise when a movie reuses the exact same character arc when said character arc was already completed. It just feels repetitive and lazy.
@@falconheavy0533 It's worse than that; it doesn't just "reuse" the character arc, it copies it, pastes it, but then chops off its conclusion and replaces the final lesson with the exact opposite and spits in the face of everything that came before it. But then...perhaps I'm getting ahead of myself again.
I remember *my mom* asking me "Was Buzz so dumb before?" after she watched Toy Story 4. Even she, who never really cared about the movies at all, noticed.
@@Steven-mv2bv 1: That's not what the conversation's about 2: Why would someone being conservative have any barring on if they work for Disney or not. 3: Who cares
The main issue with Buzz pressing his chest buttons is that he's saying phrases that no buzz lightyear has ever said before. It just says whatever he needs to for the plot to make sense.
Plus the original lines sound nothing like they did in the previous films, both in sound quality and speech pattern. In 3, when you hear Buzz's voice box in the beginning and when Bonnie presses it at the end, it sounds like the 1995 toy. It sounds old and worn. 4 Buzz sounds brand new and clean
Since this director and producer don’t care and actively completely dismiss the Pixar theory, why don’t we just completely dismiss this movie and not even consider it canon? By the way, I’m not one of those people who adamantly believes and loves the theory either. I just think it’s very disrespectful what the director and producer say about it.
It's just so snobbish to actively shit on your fanbase for doing fan things and interacting with your products. I'd be honored if they were breaking down every frame for easter eggs and references. You don't have to like the theory, but just don't shit on them for it. It only makes you look like an egotistical prick snarking back at those you deem beneath you. Actually describes these hackjobs well tbh
If they were going to debunk it, at least do it respectfully. Sure, the Pixar theory is bizarre but there are still believable parts about it. If the Pixar theory was complete nonsense, then sure, laugh at it a little bit but the thing is here, people have made genuine reasons.
I *just* realized... Imagine how much more soul crushing yet investing it'd be if when Woody reunites with Bo...It wasn't _the_ Bo. It could come off as a retread of Toy Story 1's story, but the difference is Bo would know she's a toy, she just doesn't know who Woody is except maybe being like "Oh hey, you're a Woody doll from the 50s! Thought you guys were discontinued for decades."
@@eatatjoes6751 It would've been a freebie card too. Like "Bo acts too out of character!" Instead of being gas-lighting and being like "oh you just don't remember Bo's character" instead they could be like "Yeah, but it's literally not _the_ Bo you guys saw back in 1995 and 1999"
@@ewormXD Yeah, John likely realized that Bo would not last. Heck, that's _literally_ the reason why she was cut from 3, because Porcelain and heat kind of don't mix together, especially in porcelain's favor. Long story short, Bo would've _literally_ exploded during the furnace scene. But in 4, they treat it like being porcelain is a minor inconvenience. Heck, they make it seem like Bo is a lot sturdier than she is. Disregarding roles and personalities, Bo always came off as frail to me. I didn't even know she was made of porcelain until like a year or two ago. Also in all fairness, I don't think you're tired of the strong independent woman trope, I think you're (and many others) are sick of strong independent woman being absolute perfection machines. -Coughs, Captain Marvel, coughs- Like, I'm watching every single James Bond movie in order. James Bond is like the biggest movie character in history, or one of the biggest, yet they always make it clear in the movies I've seen that he's not perfect, he's got his issues. Like his opponents actually get hits off of him and he reacts instead of tanking them and just being like "lmao that tickled". I'm bringing this up because Bond is typically looked at as the ideal male that men want to be. Yet why do women role models have to be seen as impervious? Anyway, sorry for that long ramble.
they did the same in wreck it ralph 2 when they tried to make us believe that ralph was always a bumbling idiot instead of someone who simply wasn't that educated on certain topics bc he's lived in a pile of bricks his whole life 😔
To be fair, Ralph is a character that always acts on his emotions. Example being when he wrecked the cake during his argument with Gene over him being the bad guy. So I’m probably in the minority that doesn’t take issue with Ralph’s characterization in Ralph Breaks the Internet. I see him getting upset over Vanellope hanging out with Shank from Slaughter Race as in character with Ralph in the first film. Although, I know you’re probably going to disagree with me, which I expect. So I’m not going to upset with your reply.
@@hunterolaughlin I can totally see your point since Ralph was pretty emotional in the first movie, but even then he had reasoning. He's never had any real friends and when he finally gets invited to a party, out of persistence and pity, he tries to be nice to everyone and he only smashes the cake after being frustrated with how badly he's being treated. Even so, he's pretty emotionally stable for someone in his situation throughout the movie. He's also pretty clever and we can see that his actions are justified by a thought process that makes sense. The only reason he comes off as a bumbling giant is because he's not educated on navigating games outside of his world and the games aren't easy to physically navigate with his size (e.g. the soldier suit was hard for him to fit in/see and when making the cars the machinery was foreign to him) However in the second movie, his character is flanderized and he seems like a big emotional baby who is dependent on Vanellope, even his voice sounds different and like a dumb big guy stereotype. They could've definitely had Ralph struggle with the fact that Vanellope, his closest friend, is leaving/spending more time with Shank without doing a disservice to his character. And tbh, there's a lor more about the movie I could ramble on about but I've already made this comment too long lol (also no hard feelings :) just voicing my thoughts)
This trend of picking ignorant, but smart, characters and turning them into braindead, emotionally inept idiots is insulting Seems like the one exception nowadays is Knuckles from the Sonic 2 movie
@@Dr.Oofers I know, he is one of my favorite Sonic characters and the most relatable to me, I'm so glad the writers nailed him in the movie But I don't mind his portrayal in Boom because everyone had their personalities exaggerated for comedy, and is a separate universe altogether, it's fine as long as that personality stays right there
Interesting thing to note. Even though Buzz has evolved from his Toy Story 1 self, every movie has brought that version back in someway. Utility belt Buzz in 2 and demo mode Buzz and Spanish Buzz in 3. 4 is the only exception but it seems like they still wanted to try to have that in there somewhere. (They missed the point but I digress.) So they just had him acting like he does in this movie. That's my guess. Edit: Nah fuck it. I'm probably giving them too much credit. They likely just didn't know what to do with him but he had to have some kind of role in the movie.
Not to mention, if I remember the film/pilot episodes right because I never got to watch the show - In Buzz Lightyear Of Star Command, HE IS A COMMANDER. He is directly called COMMANDER LIGHTYEAR to his face. Why would he be in the Commander position if he's THIS stupid?? I dread to think what he's like in Lightyear, even if that's pre-Commander days, and yet I'm STILL LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. And I STILL want BLoSC on D+ so I can watch the fricken show legally and with subtitles. Who cares if Lassetter doesn't like it? I'm paying for the bloody service to watch these shows I never got on my TV as a child because we never got Disney Channel even up until it was taken off the air. And they're not there. Sorry. August edit - I have now seen Lightyear. I can see that whole it's early days he's still well worthy of the Commander title. Might just need a couple of extra films.
They basically tried to destroy one of their whales, people who are guaranteed to show up for EVERYTHING you put out, no matter the quality. Only an absolute madman would attempt to ruin the demographic that is essentially free money
Toy Story 2: Buzz devises a rescue mission solo and figures out how to drive a car Toy Story 3: Buzz realizes they need to escape the Caterpillar Room and crafts a plan (that works) to get out Toy Story 4: "dHuR what mah buttoon say?"
Whats sad is that if they made his motives for listening to his buttons as, "stop planning so much and listen to your gut" or some 'fate' shiz, it wouldve worked. Not worked _great_ but worked better than, 'i literally have no braincells so ill listen to my buttons.'
Yea it basically says “it doesn’t matter how much your life choices hurt you or break you, stick with it because what other options do you have?” Plus she becomes an abusive partner too, so she’s just 50 shades of messed up.
@@mageofdoomsie1598 Or it's the idea of not allowing shortcomings to hold you back and to be there person you want to be. Everything can seem bad if you try to find it in the worst possible light.
@@zacharybryant9881 Doesn't explain why Bo Peep is suddenly so emotionally abusive and manipulative to Woody, something she WASN'T in toy story 1 and 2.
@@wreathofpalmaria And if I was commenting on that point, your argument might be sound, but I wasn't. I was commending on how you view the message and how it seems negative to a comically absurd level.
the best part of the car drive scene, is we can guess buzz learned this from the ONE time he took a front seat (andy was too young to be in the front seat iirc) which means that one time he was in that pizza truck, he was watching how the person was driving, and years later managed to perfectly replicate it. buzz isn't stupid, hes a different kind of intelligent from woody. both compliment eachothers weaknesses, woody has an ego that makes reckless decisions, and buzz can rationalize a situation and snap him out of it fast, buzz struggles to understand what being a toy is, and woodys leadership makes a GREAT role model.
Un-ironically, Buzz Lightyear was a legitimate hero to me, both the in-universe character and the "toy Buzz" character. When I watched the first two films, and Buzz Lightyear of Star Command, I wanted to be a fucking Space Ranger. This movie was one I watched in theatres with my niece. Out loud, in the theatre, I said "What the hell? Buzz ain't that stupid." Keep in mind I had shown my niece the first three films by now. When I said this, she responded, "Yeah, he's a smart guy. Why is he using his buttons to live like... Like he's rolling dice in DnD or something? What if it had been a line he couldn't use?" Yeah. What if it *had* been a line he couldn't use? So dumb. The writers not Buzz. Remember, writers can only make characters as smart, or dumber than they are.
Now remember ducky and bunny, they literally only followed buzz just to have a kid play with them and at the end of the movie they decided to stay at the carnival which begs the question why did they tag along with the cast just to have their dream come true than only to just change their mind like what?
@@checkm88 SPACEBALLS THE T-SHIRT! SPACEBALLS THE COLORING BOOK! SPACEBALLS THE LUNCHBOX! SPACEBALLS THE BREAKFAST CEREAL! SPACEBALLS THE FLAME THROWER! 🔥🔥🔥🔥 The kids love this one!
But you forgot the MOST IMPORTANT THING that Buzz did in Toy Story 2....after he leads the others to rescue Woody, it is BUZZ who reminds Woody of his true purpose....that he is a toy and he needs to be there for Andy....not stuck in a glass case in Japan.
@@GamingMagic13 Ah. I haven't got that far yet. I AM enjoying listening to your commentary about this movie though. I love the Toy Story trilogy, but this movie DID NOT honor what made Toy Story so special and I completely agree with everything you've said so far.
You forgot to mention in lamp life how Woody offscreen tells the stuff he had to go through in Toy Story 3 to Bo and Giggles Mcdipshit says to him and i quote verbatim, no cap, no lie, 100% from the horse's mouth "THAT'S NOTHING." before Bo tells her bland ass forgettable direct-to-DVD budget ass backstory to Woody. As if her minor tribulations were somehow worse than Woody escaping from a totalitarian prison daycare and NEARLY GETTING FUCKING *_BURNED ALIVE!!!!!!!_* but still cool series bro :)
I know! Let alone that Buzz was basically brainwashed like he was the Manchurian Candidate by Lotso and Lotso straight up tried to commit mass murder because he was so narcissistic and sociopathic that he couldn’t handle the fact that maybe it wasn’t Daisy’s fault they were left behind, given she probably wasn’t even 5 years old when she lost them and her parents probably got her the replacement Lotso because she was so upset at losing him.
I love how writers want you to forget all previous movies, yet they constantly remind us about them. Dude, you should have SO MUCH MORE subs. Really, consider making more of this kind of videos (God knows, Pixar/Disney made a lot of garbage lately) and you easily can have hundreds of thousands subs.
@@damastertony3986 HELL NO. Soul was fine, I'll give you that. Luca was fine. BUT TURNING RED. NO! That was just enabling bulls*** when the damn dad just allows his wife to walk all over him. What, dude, are you not going to defend your honor as a man or are you just a beta male? Then there's Lightyear. This man can tell you how DOGS*** that movie is on every inconceivable level.
So, the director had to take time out of his day explicitly to shit on a fan's theory about the Pixar movies all being in the same universe? A FAN'S Theory? A thing that doesn't actually have to be right. It's a suspicious set of clues that kind of make a coherent picture, it's a fan positing a thought for others to think about. Others who enjoy the movies related to the theory.
One thing I didn't get when I watched the film. I may be dumb, but...wouldn't taking Woody's voice box be pointless? Not only could it be incompatible, but doesn't each voice box have preset sayings? So instead of Gabby Gabby's pre-determined phrases, she would have Woody's voice and sayings instead? So instead of something "cute," the doll would have a masculine voice saying "There's a snake in my boot!" This whole movie is a godawful mess and that thing seriously annoys me as well.
The voice box only provides the mechanism to create sound waves; it’s useless without a disc to play, which is what has all the prerecorded lines. Henry why Gabby Gabby’s plan is to take his voice box, because she explains that her disc is fine it’s just the box that’s broken.
Thank god someone else finally pointed out that Bo's arm thing makes 0 sense. I saw that the first time and nearly leapt off the couch in anger. The first like half of Toy Story 2 is dedicated to how Woody's arm doesn't work even with a slight seem rip and yet the movie wants me to believe that a bit of tape would not only keep her arm on but also fully fix it? Hell it even shows that Wheezy can barley speak with a busted squeaker which... calls into question as to why Gabby Gabby can even speak but we'll ignore that for now. I've never understood this whole 'lost toy' angle like it was some mystical thing that toys would love to do. I was never allowed to touch random toys I found in the park, there's a reason why "Don't touch that, you have no idea where that's been." is such a trope in children's media because it something we've all heard. Did your parents really let you play with lost toys on the playground? Also, how many unbroken toys did you see on the playground? Plus the movie likes to pick and choose when Bo is a porcelain figure, she's never been rough housed with before even when Andy played with her, why would she like this life of nearly breaking and shattering every eight seconds by potentially being dropped onto hard surfaces on the ground. Also god Bo looks so fucking different in this movie it drives me batty.
Huh. I already thought this movie trying to glorify the life of being a lost toy and making it seem wonderful when it really isn't but you bring up a good point of "not touching something when you don't know where it's been" as well as the fact that SO many toys would've been broken or busted if they chose this life-style (Bo should've been a hundred porcelain pieces by now, the smaller toys like Combat Carl or the smaller one, I forgot her name, being stepped on).
Well, there is an exemple in Sid house with a doll that got her head back with some ducktape. That doll lost her voice and probably some neck moovement
I’m fine with Bo getting a face lift. Rewatching Toy Story, her original face just looks uncannily creepy the more I look at it. But I’ll admit I do miss her hoop dress, or as I like to call it, her umbrella dress.
I remember being genuinely surprised Woody wasn't rendered mute after his little "organ donor" stunt. Especially with the first movie implying that his voice was connected to his voicebox, having a conversation with Sid without opening his mouth most of the time.
Even back then when I first watched this movie and enjoyed, the moment Buzz said "What would Woody do?" I felt like I wanted to punch the writers In the face.
I am so glad to see more people criticizing toy story 4 as I had went to see this movie for my birthday a few years ago and was needless to say MASSIVELY DISAPPOINTED. It also made me particularly sad to see Klaus loose to this cash grab for best animated movie of the year.
Another thing about buzz in the first movie showing his intelligence and character is that when he 'lands' he's alert and not trusting at first until he's is introduced, he then makes friends and helps the toys stile personal issues they have, like helping Rex to roar. He knows making friends could help aid his own needs, but he also enjoys his time with them too. He puts his own needs aside for others. He leads the toss in the second movie to keep going to find woody in the second film because he's that close of a friend to Woody, and even knocked sense into him when woody wouldn't join them to go home. He let woody stay, because it seemed he was too stubborn, but he did everything in his power to get him home and blindly trusted Woody's plans to save Jessie without asking for context because he trusts woody that much. If Buzz of the first 3 movies was in this one, when it came to woody looking after Fork face, Buzz wouldn't take no for an answer and he would take action and lecture woody about how much its putting a toll on him, he would make a spreadsheet or plan on how they'd look out for fork face to make it simpler on the two and any other toy that would help out, Jessie would help too for sure, because we know Buzz is also very organised since in ts2 he has a full routine on how to keep track of all the toys during a yard sale. He ran Andy's room with Woody, so he knows all the procedures and probably added some as he would remember his academy training even though he knows he's a toy, the training still is useful in that regard Buzz wouldn't force woody as he's not that kind of guy, but he would help woody see the big picture and understand that he does need help and would kind of give woody that nudge he needs Buzz is a leader who has potential answers or ideas for almost anything
Ya know, part of the reason why Kingdom Hearts III took so long to get made was because the people at Pixar were fans of the franchise and wanted to make sure that the Toy Story and Monsters Inc characters were well represented, thus leading to a lot of back-and-forth which was exasperated by both the language barrier and time difference between California and Japan. And while KHIII was pretty divisive, most people can agree that the Toy Box and Monsteropolis worlds were the best parts of the game, as not only were the characters, ya know, in-character, but their subplots were written in a way that they could be considered canon to their respective film franchises. Yes, the video game where "Let it Go" has a Maya watermark on it treated Toy Story better than an actual Toy Story movie.
Woody in an actual Pixar movie: Bo Beep is here??? And my new child is not exactly as my old child??? And my gf is telling me to leave everything behind so i can live like a hippie with her??? Oh no what should I do??? Should I follow duty??? Or should I follow my heart??? Woody in a game made by a guy too busy to write his own story: Shut up, Xenahort (kills him with a snake in the boot)
How ironic those monsters used lamp life as a backstory for our miss perfect and a kickstarter for their story But in actuality that Disney short has screwed their entire plot over
Here's how I would change Toy Story 4: - I would keep the intro. Nonetheless, I would also remove the Operation Pull Toy sequence with the window. I would have Buzz and Jessie work together to open the window. Rex or one of the other toys can be shown retrieving the barrel of monkeys and helping Bo pull Woody up. - Woody would consider joining Bo in the intro, but he would see his boot instead of Andy. Andy would enter the scene only after the car leaves. - Bonnie's parents are more caring and buy her a box of supplies meant to create a toy, but she loses the base form. Thus, Woody gives her a spork, resulting in the creation of Forky. - Woody has traumatic visions of the incinerator when he sees Forky attempt to throw himself into the trash. Woody, Jessie, and Buzz would probably experience trauma from the first three movies in their own way. Overcoming your trauma doesn't always mean that it simply disappears. - Buzz accidentally presses his chest button due to a bump on the road, allowing Forky to escape and throw himself out the window. - Woody promises to meet his friends at the carnival at a set time. Woody, Slinky, and Jessie jump out the window together, but Buzz is stopped when Bonnie momentarily wakes up. - Woody repetitively attempts to convince Forky that he matters, but he keeps failing due to Forky's many questions. Woody tells him the story of his life as well. - Gabby Gabby is much more menacing. There is a scene where she tortures Wheezy for his squeaker only to realize that it is not a voicebox. He is saved by a hooded figure. - Bo Peep meets Woody in the antique store instead of in the park. Harmony takes them both to the park. - Bo gradually becomes more and more embittered over the course of the film due to Gabby Gabby's taunts and the hardships throughout the course of the film. - I would remove Ducky and Bunny completely. - The toys search for Woody and the others to the best of their ability. They have much more significant roles in this film. Bonnie's parents decide to stay a little longer to cheer Bonnie up. - Buzz would not get strapped and become the grand prize. Instead, he would fly over the carnival and accidentally crash in an attempt to avoid birds and the rides. then, he would be captured by Gabby Gabby upon seeing the antique store and Forky. - Duke Caboom and Jessie create a distraction as Woody and Slinky free Buzz. He is torn to pieces by Duke. Desperate to save her sheep, Bo attempts to save them from the cat. However, Woody risks his life to save Bo, causing Forky to wonder about the meaning of being a toy. - Gabby Gabby reveals that Harmony has always wanted a Gabby Gabby doll. Thus, it is revealed that Gabby Gabby believes that it is her purpose to be there for Harmony no matter what. This causes Forky to question his suicidal tendencies entirely and eventually accept his calling as a toy. - The sheep find the other toys and take them to reunite with Woody. They avoid being seen and strapped. - Bonnie and her parents begin searching for the toys. - Gabby Gabby threatens Forky directly, forcing Woody to surrender. Harmony has the voicebox installed into her. However, Harmony rejects her when Woody's voice plays. - Gabby Gabby is absolutely crushed by Harmony's rejection, but Jessie encourages her to join them upon remembering her time isolated from the world. - Rex, Trixie, and a few other toys stay behind in an attempt to pop the tires to buy time, but it has little to no success. - Bo attempts to defeat Gabby Gabby to avenge her friends, but Woody stops her. - The toys regroup at the carousel, but several street cats catch them. In a recreation of the chase scene at the end of the first Toy Story, they finally make it back to the trailer. Duke Caboom is alive and creates another distraction for the group, trapping the cats. Buzz flies Forky to the trailer as Woody and Jessie watch in pride. - Bo offers Woody to join her, but Woody refuses, remembering his promise to Andy and Buzz. However, a few of the toys, including Mr. and Mrs. Potato Head, join her and Duke. Woody and Bo ride away from one another. Bo reflects on the days with Andy and Molly as Woody and Buzz say, "To infinity and beyond, old timer..." Meanwhile, Bo says, "So long, move buddy..." - Gabby Gabby ventures on her own, determined to find her own destiny. - In a post-credits scene, Gabby Gabby is donated to Sunnyside at the end, where she meets the other toys there. - In another post-credits scene, Duke and Bo run into Utility Belt Buzz, a few new toys, and a modified Zurg, who tells them that they have a situation. - In one last post-credits scene, a man finds Woody's voicebox, who laughs nervously yet sadistically upon listening to it. The man is revealed to be Sid Phillips. Please let me know how this sounds! I will happily listen to any criticisms! Let me know if you want to hear my ideas for Toy Story 5 and 6!
“A character is only as intelligent as those writing them” Seriously, I wonder how the next generation will turn out. I never realized how clever some of the characters in the older movies were, and I wonder how much watching movies like those affected us growing up into developing critical thinking skills. Guess we’ll find out eventually, since movie writing is getting less and less intelligent, cohesive, and original. Kids are much smarter than people give them credit for. Dumbing down a movie because you think kids are not as smart as adults is a horrible move.
I’ll say the one thing is that while Buzz was doing the license plate, he did also get the commercial Hamm and Rex were watching to finally connect the dots, but I agree, buzz is not an idiot. Every thing he was based around in sci fi was all about heroes who keep a cool head, could figure out how to scrounge together weapons and traps on a planet they’ve never been on to survive, AND have a clever one-liner to say to their foe.
This movie feels like an alternate universe where Buzz never realized he’s a toy and still thinks he’s a space ranger on some sort of prolonged mission. He thinks he’s on an unknown planet he knows nothing about so he doesn’t question strange ideas like a voice inside of you feeding you directions.
it's like they assume no one watched the previous movies. when fans tend to rewatch them to get ready for the next installment. and all of them are on a single streaming service so people will notice how out of character everyone is very easily.
Holy crap! This whole series is very critical of TS4. I didn't like TS4, because it really felt forced, contrived, and the characters (both the humans and the toys) felt really stupid or different from the previous films. I'm fine with a 'little' contrivance happening for the sake of the plot, but there was so much and it here and it wasn't even written well, but you analyzed so much more than just the characters and the story and I'm all for it. This is 'MauLer' levels of criticism and the editing is nice too. Have a sub!
The way this movie was constantly reusing the previous movies’ soundtracks for cheap nostalgia pandering is eerily similar to the way The Rise of Skywalker frequently reused soundtracks from the original Star Wars trilogy for cheap nostalgia pandering
@Camo 64 Sometimes, this can be done correctly, or is the smart choice! Harry Potter & The Deathly Hallows Part 2 reused the first movie's ending music during its epilogue, & it made the scene all the more impactful, & I don't think it would've been the same if they'd composed an original piece for the epilogue. It, of course, worked for that movie, but here, yeah, I agree, same with TROS.
@@ericyoung1478 Oh believe me, I agree. There are many examples where bringing back a previous movie’s score works WONDERS for thematic connections and parallel framing in a sequel But TS4 and TROS just do it at complete random, having no elegance or semblance to the callbacks whatsoever lol
Omg I am so happy someone addressed the assassination this movie and those creators did to Buzz. At no point in the series has Buzz ever not been a knowledgeable and confident leader. And this movie made him a character who has no self awareness. Buzz is my favorite character in the Toy Story series and this movie pissed me off so badly that I had to take a 2 week break shortly after this scene were he jumped out the window because his voice box told him too, because I almost threw my remote at the tv.
You know, Bo-Peep being a lamp brings up one more problem, and that is concerning her dress. In this movie they turned it from being a part of her body like in the original into a Barbie dress in this movie. But then you show clips from her adventures and in one, the bulb explodes, and her head is on fire. her dress suddenly being fabric turns her more into a fire hazard.
I'm shocked Bo didn't shatter upon falling from the frisbee scene. If she's so fragile it shouldn't take much to break her, not to mention her arms are already damaged so the impact should have been the actual moment to have her arm break.
When I heard 4 was coming. My thoughts were Lost toy, stolen toy, donated/rehomed toy. Maybe 4 will be the one where Bonny is so lost, so without hope due to bullies or any number of stresses a young girl can't face, that this is the time where Woody breaks the number 1 rule and exposes himself as alive. Maybe the movie focuses on Bonny a little older, old enough to understand consequences and reason. She knows not to tell anyone, and now we can see how a relationship between them works when the kid knows.
Cars 3 made lightining mcqueen slow and no longer in his prime and made cruz the new star, but even that was better handled. The reason Cars 3s nerf on Mcqueen works but Woodys bastardization does not is because Mcqueen is on the older side of racing and knows that hes no longer in his racing prime and fears what happened to doc will happen to him, like student like mentor and Mcqueen decides to pass what doc taught him to cruz. TS4 Woody just selfishly wanted to be a lost toy cuz Piss poor writing
While I would have preferred letting Lightning finish one last race before retiring, putting him into the mentor role feels more like a natural progression and a good place for him to end the series in (would have been better with a cars 2 that served as a proper middle point between 1 and 3 but oh well.), as opposed to TS4 where it feels forced and at odds with what came before.
This was the point where I gave up with this movie. I could stand the first five minutes. I could stand everything before this (I was drunk, so...) *BUT* when they re-introduced Bo and dragged out Buzz's newfound stupidity for a running gag that wasn't even nose-snort funny, I couldn't stand it. Oh, and about the PT - I do believe Emily is connected to Andy. That is it. This movie was...no, I'll hold off on that later - along with *LIGHTYEAR.* Also, another thing is: *BUZZ IS AN OLD TOY. HE SHOULD BE SMASHED TO PIECES UPON HITTING THAT RIDE.* And...Harmony feels like a plot device, but more *COMPETENT* writers could have had Woody do the write-a-note thing and made her Bonnie's friend!
The little cutaways throughout these are hilarious to me for some reason. You show the same like 5 nonstop yet I still giggle at most of them 3 videos in.
This movie gives me the vibes of “ha ha men stupid” Also, Hollywood…. WOMEN CAN BE AWESOME CHARACTERS EVEN IF THEY’RE QUIET, SHY AND NOT THE LEADERS!! We can all lead in different ways and it’s okay for the woman to not be stronger than the man 😑
Omg! I love this analysis. I tell everyone that there are only three Toy Story movies. There is no fourth one. Nope. Only three. I have to rewatch the trilogy after your analysis of Buzz. The original film was just so good.
This guy gives me prime enter vibes, I like it, love the passion. He's not just rambling about some shit he doesn't give a shit about for a living. He obviously very genuinely cares about what he's talking about and I love it.
Oh god, the timeline is hell in this movie... Just for making a short fanfic, I had to run every timeline in of the original material, compare ages, using maths for almost every character, making lists of the order of events and IN THE END, check again to find out I missed like 1 year, so I had to make changes to make it be canonically correct for my readers wothout any type of pay to me... AND THIS MULTIMILLIONAIRE COMPANY COULDN'T EVEN CHECK THE DATES AND THE ORIGINAL MOVIES?! WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING AT?! NEVER, EVEN WHEN I WAS STARTING TO WRITE FANFICS (Now I make GDD's and Narrative in games) I DID SOMETHING SO EMBARRASSINGLY DISRESPECTFUL TO MY AUDIENCE ASSUMING THEY WERE IDIOTS ENOUGH TO NO CHECK THE GODDAMN YEARS!!!
Years aren't even that hard to do. Sure, they're big numbers, but it's basic addition and subtraction, and EVERYONE HAS CALCULATORS BUILT INTO THEIR DAMN PHONES!!!! It's so easy and they messed it up. It's clear as day that the script was the first draft and that's all the work they did on it
Not to be THAT guy, but I find it suspicious that the previous male lead got A LOT dumber while the previous female side character got much, MUCH stronger. Just a thing to consider and think about
just take a look at the scene where Buzz and Bo-Peep meet each other again at 1:08:36. Buzz, a very large, heavy and sturdy action figure Space Marine designed for rough boyish play, is manhandled and picked up by a porcelan shepardess lamp. Give me a break. Just imagine how much heavier buzz would be. Those few seconds tell the whole story
This is my first video of yours and I’ve only watched like the first 8 minutes, but I’m already in love with it. Each point is well substantiated and flows into the next, plenty of funny jokes are included, Mauler style edits are included with clips that match what you say and how you say it. I can tell I’m gonna enjoy this series.
Hearing Woody's line about Bo being missing from the Crew after Andy and Molly grew up in Toy story 3 made me sad, I wanted to know what happened to Bo, but not like this :( they ruined her character just like they ruined all the main character personalities and being out of character so much it insults the original audience
i hated the "inner voice" plot for buzz i remember saying to my mom "i could believe buzz maybe doing that in toy story 1. but not this far into the franchise." because back then, sure he could potentially take those as commands from star command. i could buy that. but not after he realizes the truth.
The scene where Woody is sitting by himself in the middle of the night while watching over Forky and Buzz joins him for a chat had SO MUCH potential, omg. At first I was like "Yes! Finally!! Proper interaction with these two! I bet they'll discuss something deep and meaningful, have a genuine heart-to-heart that's going to carry the rest of the film's emotional tone!"... But instead, it went along the lines of "Uuh, so inner voice = pre-recorded system? InTeREstiNG." That made me mad, not gonna lie. WHY make Buzz such a bumbling dunce for literally NO reason whatsoever?? It really did feel like a full on character assassination, which is all the more puzzling and infuriating because Buzz is a treasure and everybody loves him.
I was depressed and crying by myself and Woody.EXE decided my mental health came first, he comforts me by holding my hand and saying “It’s okay girl, the Queen is looking down on you” and I just LOST IT WITH EMOTION. Even my 2009 Woody joins in my comfort zones and I just love both of my Woody’s so much
Instead of just making a shitty movie, the writer and producer have put in a lot of effort in communicating that everyone that loves toy story- is stupid and that they hate you, in one single movie.
"Imagine if the writers of any other highly theorizable franchise were to so callously laugh about the insanity of the theories of their fan base." Yeah, imagine if the writers on Sherlock were to create characters to voice some of the fans' theories for how Sherlock survived, then portray them as obsessive crazy people, tell them that the explanation doesn't matter, and continue on without ever giving any explanation. Oh, wait.
Started watching these now, and realized even Kingdom Hearts 3 handled Buzz a lot better. I don't even like how he's portrayed in that game. He comes across an A hole to sora & friends, but he seemed more competent than how he's portrayed in this movie. At least Buzz made up for it for being more cautious, and suggest waiting to see if Andy or their missing friends come back. It was a pointless idea from our perspective, but not from theirs being toys. So even with that issue, Buzz still stood as the second in command in leadership, like he's always been with Woody. From what it sounds like, seem like Buzz forgot all that in his film. Which is strange cause he was always the "born to lead" type. The driving force. The one that pulls everything together when things goes wrong. So a scene that everyone comedically tells him what to do. Sure he would probably be overwhelmed, but you would still expect him to come up with something clever than pushing a button.... then say he has to go lol.
When i watched toy story 4 i wasn't so analytical and try to enjoy, and yet so many inconsistent stuff is annoying, you might think buzz is dumb but he's not brain dead, he's basically the second in charge. Everytime they ask me why i don't like toy story 4 i just say "it betrayers the previous movies", i don't understand how people find ok that woodie leaves everything behind just to get some toyussy. Also, he didn't learn not to be jealous of not being choose all the time in toy story 1?
Remember when Buzz wasn’t stupid, Remember when Woody wasn’t useless, Remember when the movie was all about the dynamic duo with Woody & Buzz Can we go back to that
Buzz is my favorite Toy Story character. I teared up with your Buzz segment, it was beautiful. I really appreciate you making this series because I also hate this movie. Shameless hacks, how dare they.
You know one of the points they make in this movie franchise is woody is an old toy too. Like made in the 50s or so. It's weird that they put so much emphasis on his relationship with Andy, when Andy must have been, like his second or third kid at that point.
@@Haunted_Plush To be fair, it seems unlikely he'd have ever known Molly, considering how young she is in the first movie, where he's nowhere to be seen.
1:02:04 This scene really annoyed me on my first viewing tbh. How are you going to say "Oh yeah remember these two being a little flirty and love interests? And how we want to make them full love interests as the main plot of this movie? And how she's a very honest, wise, kind person? She's going to say she had no feelings for him, there was nothing there." At least let her dote a little on the past if you want to set up that previous cute love interests had that relationship if you want your main plot to be about them getting together! There's no will they won't they, friends/best friends to lovers, newfound partners in adventure, or any of those other tropes here to justify a denial or flustered answer, especially given how honest Bo is and how brutally honest she is about her thoughts in this movie. Let her give a teensy gossip. I'm surprised that if she told Officer about "the cowboy" she hadn't already talked about their thing, it's sad it has to be brought up now and she denies it. Unfair to Woody, real Bo, and most importantly the real life audience.
Buzz is my favorite character from this franchise and it is for that reason that I refuse to watch Toy Story 4 ever again. I know that’s a bit dramatic but the first two films helped form my morality. It was Buzz and Woody that I looked up to the most. TS4, more than anything, doesn’t understand the morality of these characters or the first 3 films.
39:27 Another one that did this right was the Super Mario Bros Movie as not only is Peach a sweet person while still being strong, but they also don’t make Mario look like an idiot and in fact is the one to save the day in the end along his brother. So that’s also a knock against Toy Story 4 in terms of how Bo Peep is characterized.
To give this movie the tiniest bit of slack, Lamp Life was released after Toy Story 4. When viewing the established timeline of Bo in this movie solely, it actually does make sense. She says she's been out free for 7 years and later on, she says she was in the antique store for a couple of ears (which can be inferred to as 2 years, since we know it has been 9 years since the flashback). Now of course, the fact that Bo has managed to stay free but still very close to the antique store for 7 years without being taken away by a kid or broken altogether (considering the material she is made out of) is absolutely stupid but the actual timeline of events in this movie only is plausible. She was taken to the antique store, stayed for 2 years before leaving and then she lived a free life for 7 years (9 years in total). The issue is that when Lamp Life was later released, it completely contradicts the established backstory Bo had in TS4. There is absolutely 0 way you can match up the timeline in Lamp Life to the timeline in TS4. Lamp Life's timeline could technically work if Bo was only free for a few days or so but that would then contradict TS4, where it's stated that she was free for 7 years. The whole security system set up in Lamp Life also creates problems, especially if we're supposed to believe that Bo left the antique store (and subsequently broke the security system) 7 years ago. Why was that never fixed? Not to mention other inconsistencies which are created, such as the slot machine Toys. So Lamp Life retroactively made Toy Story 4 even worse, which is certainly an accomplishment, as Toy Story 4 was already a absolute trainwreck without Bo's inconsistent/contradictory backstory with Lamp Life. Edit: I’ve found out that Lamp Life was actually comprised of deleted scenes from Toy Story 4. So they actually originally intended to put that backstory in the movie, cut it out (hopefully because they realised that it completely contradicts dialogue Bo gives in the movie and makes the plot make even less sense) and then put that backstory in a short movie. That admittedly does change my perspective on the situation a bit (for the worse).
There are also 2 things I want to say about the tire scene: 1. when Jessie jumps out the window, Rex yells "Jessie" and his mouth movements don't even match up to what he was saying. That's right. This movie which cost $200 million to make has a lip syncing issue, and Rex is the main focus of the shot. This isn't a fatal flaw or anything, IDK if there are any other lip syncing issues in the movie and IDK if there were any in the previous Toy Story movies but the fact that this animation error made it into a $200 million Pixar movie (which was delayed multiple times) is kind of shocking. 2. If we just accept the fact that Jessie can effortlessly pop a car tire with a nail (as ridiculous as it is), why doesn't Jessie pop all 4 of the tires? What's stopping her from popping the rest of the tires? She seems perfectly capable of doing so and the humans in this movie are absolutely braindead at noticing the toys so she absolutely would have gotten away with it without detection. Considering that we later see how ridiculously long it takes the dad to fix one tire (which was incredibly lucky for the toys), just imagine how long it would have taken him to fix 4. Even if we was able to fix all the other tires very quickly after the first one, that still would have bought the toys a little bit more time.
I guess to be a lil fair to Lamp Life, Bo did say "Well, more or less." to Woody after she finished telling the story to him. Which would imply that... while these events did happen, not all of them were exactly accurate. And that stuff like her experience at the Antique Shop; actually happened differently compared to how Bo interprets it for Woody. Or at least that's the best I can interpret with this single line of dialogue.
Sadly the reason why they wrote Buzz so badly is because Tim Allen is a conservative and had his successful conservative show. I remember seeing an interview with Allen after the movie came out and he said that he feels like they neutered Buzz so that they could write him out. When Toy story 4 was announced the creator was asked about Tim Allen and his 'Problematic views' the interview-e said that it wouldn't be a problem because Buzz doesn't have many speaking roles and he isn't the center of the story anymore.
Is it really that hard to separate Tim the voice actor to Tim the real guy? Especially since Tim only says what the script says? I can understand not agreeing with his views or liking his sitcom show, but I don't think that takes anything away from Buzz Lightyear the character
Bo Peep being a lost toy and only mildly broken really pulled me out of the entire world of Toy Story 4 (I was already checked out of the story with how out of character everyone was but I had suspended my disbelief for the spork) Logistically, a porcelain doll that was passed around multiple households (especially with rowdy children as we see in the short) does not live very long, and you can shorten that lifespan a whole lot more when you add the general elements of the outdoors, because porcelain dolls are extremely fragile. My grandmother gave me a porcelain doll as a present to show that she saw me as old and mature enough to treat such a fragile toy with care and not break it. You can't even store these things near a window, especially if you're a collector because the sun will damage it. It's a miracle she didn't break when Andy was playing with her tbh
Toy Story 4 was so bad that instead of doing a Toy Story 5 and continue following the “adventures” with Fork Face (great name by the way) Pixar is doing a story origin for Buzz. That just goes to show the level of “respect “ Pixar has for Josh & TS4. Can I just add what a nightmare the character Forky must’ve been for the marketing team at Pixar. Imagine getting the daunting task of marking and trying to sell a spork as a toy to children. I would never spend $40-$60 bucks on a spork because Pixar wants to slap googling eyes and that damn bendable pipe.
All of these videos are literally exactly what my problems with this movie are from start to finish. My video for why I hate this film is only 20 mins and I knew that wasn't enough but now I know someone has gotten it out there. Well done
The assassination of Woody, Buzz . They cannot show strong and brave male characters in film and TV anymore, they do not want you to have any strong role models. Same for Jesse, shes a woman who uses her brain and not just her emotions so they cant have little girls (or boys) looking up to her either. Its the third age of joachim da fiore
Wow.. this movie keeps getting worse and worse. Also... these days it was revealed that Marvel's executives didnt wanted the climax of Civil War to be Iron Man and Captain America fighting each other... instead, they wanted the Avengers to get back together to fights the five Hydra super soldiers... the only reason that didnt happened was because the Russo brothers stood their ground...
The entire point of the Civil War comic was that Cap & Iron Man were at odds and fighting each other. You can't have any loose adaptation of it without them fighting. You can bend the reasons, sequences of events, locations, and what have you, but their fight is the definitive plot point and entire reason for Civil War existing. It's almost like geriatric producers don't know the fundamentals of storytelling like a professional storyteller does
Watching your in-depth analysis of Toy Story 4, I firmly believe that the Oscar for Best Animated Feature should've gone to Klaus, Missing Link, or especially How to Train your Dragon: The Hidden World.
Still currently watching this review and I have to tell you I agree with so many points here. It’s so much of an outlier and I absolutely hated what they did to buzz. I still believe that this was just an “alternate ending” but even that is too good to call this. Very much a, “look what we can do now”, movie.
The fan theory being debunked doesn’t bother me, but I noticed the poor logic and continuity errors of this movie. Toy Story 4 was my Last Jedi, for no reason it reveled in destroying a story that I loved since Kindergarten.
Well it's even worse for me since this was my second Last Jedi, and I haven't even watched it because I am afraid, but now that I am here it's pretty much too late, there never was a toy story 4... Only a trilogy, this just all in our heads it never existed...
One thing: This movie never addresses the pretty significant dangers of being a lost toy. Especially for Bo, since she's a fragile porcelain lamp decoration and that fact she isn't riddled with cracks and only being barely held together with glue is impossible, considering how we see her act.
The current state of Disney as a whole hasn't been the same since Lasseter's departure and the metoo movement. Yes what he did was bad, but at the same time losing him at Pixar was like losing a piece to a puzzle.
I beg to differ. I think Pixar is doing a lot better without John Lasseter as now the studio is back to doing original films instead of sequels to their past works and much more new directors being allowed much more creative freedom to make their films without much interference and being able to include different styles and tones to their newer films. True, some can have mixed feelings on their recent films, but I don’t think is a side effect of John Lasseter being gone. Sometimes it’ll take a while to get used to the new style and new directions of the latest Pixar films that are completely different from the looks of the previous films. But I think it’ll definitely pay off in the long run and people will cherish the latest Pixar films as much as the older ones.
Buzz is my favorite character, so imagine how I felt... Also, I don't know if you mention it in another video, but I thought it was a mistake to forget his relationship with Jessie after Toy Story 3 I love that couple
My parents are very casual movie watchers, don’t ever care about a deep story or whether or not continuity is a big deal or not, taking the movie at face value but when my dad goes “I didn’t like this movie. It changes too much,” I knew Toy Story 4 wasn’t good.
Its so clear Bo Peep is coping about being a lost toy “7 fantastic years” yet moments later is clearly depressed and sad at the mention of Molly, same for Billy Goat and Gruff who were excited just at woody mentioning her. All the lost toys hate being lost and want kids. Combat carls saying woody beat the odds at having a kid and are excited to be played with at a birthday party. The fair toys scolding buzz about how they ruined thier chance for a kid. Gabby waiting YEARS for one special kid. The only one in blatant denial is Bo and it makes it that much worse than Woody in the most out of character moment thinks being a lost toy is in any way better than being with Bonnie
A completely accurate review, the only thing I have to nitpick and disagree with was the Apollo Justice example 'cause seriously 2/4 trials in the game are solved by hobo Phoenix with Apollo just being his representative.
I came to the comments looking for this lmao. I also disagree with the Rift Apart comparison. Rivet is the worst part of that game. She says that she wants to meet Ratchet, but then makes fun of him at the same time. Like, what? She also never calls Clank "Clank" for some reason? She calls him "Bolts". I'd say that is going against the earlier games, just sayin'.
A more fitting example I can think of is Kiryu in Yakuza 7. He's not the protagonist this time; a completely new character, Ichiban takes that role. Ichiban (and his entourage of also completely new characters) stands on his own pretty well. And later in the story, when they come face to face with Kiryu, the legendary Dragon of Dojima we got to know since 6 games and more spin-offs, they get absolutely demolished in a (canonically) 6 vs 1 fight. Kiryu is not disrespected as a character despite him not being the focus for once.
Thank goodness you're covering the character assassination of Buzz. Because that was absolutely devastating to me. I was like "Wait what? Who is this? This isn't the Buzz I remember..." He's SMART. What the hell! I was SUPER pissed. Like I wish you could know how happy your proof of Buzz's intelligence sequence is making me. I'm sitting here like "YES...VINDICATION!" Also this trend of separating dynamic duos forever has GOT to end (Toy Story 4, Wreck It Ralph 2 [which I also hated omg talk about character assassinations], Frozen 2...just stop.)
What's so sad is the "7 fantastic years" continuity error could've been easily avoided. Instead of saying "nine years ago", it could've just said "many years ago" to leave the time gap between then and now vague and allow viewers to make up the amount of time in their heads. But nope! They had to pander to the fans, and in doing so, punch a huge hole in the continuity. Good job Disney, are you proud of yourself?
58:08 I also had a Buzz Lightyear as a kid, and a Donald Duck plush. One time I actually got the plushie's hand stuck in buzz's helmet. What happened is that when I pulled it the plush hand just slipped off the helmet since it's, you know, a plush... What I'm trying to say is that even assuming the helmet is incredibly sturdy, Daffy's foot would've just slipped off with no problem. Wich leads to my next point: 56:40 How is Daffy knocking Buzz's head? Or even hurting him, AT ALL? HE'S A PLUSH!!! He is small, soft and fuzzy, it is much less than the equivalent of knocking yourself with a pillow (presumably to vent out your frustrations after watching this garbage). 57:57 LITERALLY HOW?!?!?! Let's do some math here: The average small plush can weigh up to 2 onces. A Buzz Lightyear Talking Action Figure™ weighs about 2 pounds. This means that Daffy is somehow able to pull something that weighs 15-40 TIMES HIS WEIGHT, UPWARDS?!?! NO MAN!!!!! THAT'S JUST FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE!!!!! IT'S LIKE PULLING AN ELEPHANT UPWARDS!!! WITH YOUR BARE HANDS!!!!!
Josh never had a toy in his life And now he is using an opportunity to spread misery on other people to pay back all of the problems he had in his life Or He is a Rebecca Sugar level idiot
Wait a minute. A character points out to woody how great it is not living in a kids room causing him to reconsider if he should be with his kid. I swear I’ve heard this type of plot before.
I know, right? Almost seems like whatever lesson this movie wants him to learn is something Woody has already contemplated and decided against.
Or something crazy like that.
@@GamingMagic13 This movie was going to be garbage no matter what but it could have at least been an original piece of garbage as far as character arcs go. I despise when a movie reuses the exact same character arc when said character arc was already completed. It just feels repetitive and lazy.
@@falconheavy0533 It's worse than that; it doesn't just "reuse" the character arc, it copies it, pastes it, but then chops off its conclusion and replaces the final lesson with the exact opposite and spits in the face of everything that came before it.
But then...perhaps I'm getting ahead of myself again.
@@GamingMagic13 No you aren’t. It’s exactly as you described it. This movie sucks.
But unlike toy story 2 woody abandons his kid even though woody would never do that
I remember *my mom* asking me "Was Buzz so dumb before?" after she watched Toy Story 4. Even she, who never really cared about the movies at all, noticed.
Dang
Hilarious.
Tim Allen is a conservative, so if they Han Solo’d him, they won’t have to see him again in the studio.
@@Steven-mv2bv
1: That's not what the conversation's about
2: Why would someone being conservative have any barring on if they work for Disney or not.
3: Who cares
she got gaslit as well
The main issue with Buzz pressing his chest buttons is that he's saying phrases that no buzz lightyear has ever said before. It just says whatever he needs to for the plot to make sense.
Plus the original lines sound nothing like they did in the previous films, both in sound quality and speech pattern.
In 3, when you hear Buzz's voice box in the beginning and when Bonnie presses it at the end, it sounds like the 1995 toy. It sounds old and worn. 4 Buzz sounds brand new and clean
"How lucky!"
@@SixtyFourJr toy story 4 is my favorite
@@owens.studios toy story 4 is the best
@@owens.studios that’s not even true and again no one on the entire planet said this stupidity before the rise of skywalker messed up their heads.
Since this director and producer don’t care and actively completely dismiss the Pixar theory, why don’t we just completely dismiss this movie and not even consider it canon?
By the way, I’m not one of those people who adamantly believes and loves the theory either. I just think it’s very disrespectful what the director and producer say about it.
It's just so snobbish to actively shit on your fanbase for doing fan things and interacting with your products. I'd be honored if they were breaking down every frame for easter eggs and references. You don't have to like the theory, but just don't shit on them for it. It only makes you look like an egotistical prick snarking back at those you deem beneath you. Actually describes these hackjobs well tbh
If they were going to debunk it, at least do it respectfully. Sure, the Pixar theory is bizarre but there are still believable parts about it. If the Pixar theory was complete nonsense, then sure, laugh at it a little bit but the thing is here, people have made genuine reasons.
I *just* realized...
Imagine how much more soul crushing yet investing it'd be if when Woody reunites with Bo...It wasn't _the_ Bo.
It could come off as a retread of Toy Story 1's story, but the difference is Bo would know she's a toy, she just doesn't know who Woody is except maybe being like "Oh hey, you're a Woody doll from the 50s! Thought you guys were discontinued for decades."
That would have been awesome.
Really.
@@eatatjoes6751 It would've been a freebie card too. Like "Bo acts too out of character!" Instead of being gas-lighting and being like "oh you just don't remember Bo's character" instead they could be like "Yeah, but it's literally not _the_ Bo you guys saw back in 1995 and 1999"
@@ewormXD Yeah, John likely realized that Bo would not last. Heck, that's _literally_ the reason why she was cut from 3, because Porcelain and heat kind of don't mix together, especially in porcelain's favor. Long story short, Bo would've _literally_ exploded during the furnace scene.
But in 4, they treat it like being porcelain is a minor inconvenience. Heck, they make it seem like Bo is a lot sturdier than she is. Disregarding roles and personalities, Bo always came off as frail to me. I didn't even know she was made of porcelain until like a year or two ago.
Also in all fairness, I don't think you're tired of the strong independent woman trope, I think you're (and many others) are sick of strong independent woman being absolute perfection machines. -Coughs, Captain Marvel, coughs-
Like, I'm watching every single James Bond movie in order. James Bond is like the biggest movie character in history, or one of the biggest, yet they always make it clear in the movies I've seen that he's not perfect, he's got his issues. Like his opponents actually get hits off of him and he reacts instead of tanking them and just being like "lmao that tickled". I'm bringing this up because Bond is typically looked at as the ideal male that men want to be. Yet why do women role models have to be seen as impervious?
Anyway, sorry for that long ramble.
@@saltystick_99 Honestly, it would have brought the "multiple Buzzes" plot point back full circle because "Hey, look at that, multiple Bos."
It still would've sucked
they did the same in wreck it ralph 2 when they tried to make us believe that ralph was always a bumbling idiot instead of someone who simply wasn't that educated on certain topics bc he's lived in a pile of bricks his whole life 😔
To be fair, Ralph is a character that always acts on his emotions. Example being when he wrecked the cake during his argument with Gene over him being the bad guy. So I’m probably in the minority that doesn’t take issue with Ralph’s characterization in Ralph Breaks the Internet. I see him getting upset over Vanellope hanging out with Shank from Slaughter Race as in character with Ralph in the first film. Although, I know you’re probably going to disagree with me, which I expect. So I’m not going to upset with your reply.
@@hunterolaughlin I can totally see your point since Ralph was pretty emotional in the first movie, but even then he had reasoning. He's never had any real friends and when he finally gets invited to a party, out of persistence and pity, he tries to be nice to everyone and he only smashes the cake after being frustrated with how badly he's being treated. Even so, he's pretty emotionally stable for someone in his situation throughout the movie.
He's also pretty clever and we can see that his actions are justified by a thought process that makes sense. The only reason he comes off as a bumbling giant is because he's not educated on navigating games outside of his world and the games aren't easy to physically navigate with his size (e.g. the soldier suit was hard for him to fit in/see and when making the cars the machinery was foreign to him)
However in the second movie, his character is flanderized and he seems like a big emotional baby who is dependent on Vanellope, even his voice sounds different and like a dumb big guy stereotype. They could've definitely had Ralph struggle with the fact that Vanellope, his closest friend, is leaving/spending more time with Shank without doing a disservice to his character. And tbh, there's a lor more about the movie I could ramble on about but I've already made this comment too long lol
(also no hard feelings :) just voicing my thoughts)
This trend of picking ignorant, but smart, characters and turning them into braindead, emotionally inept idiots is insulting
Seems like the one exception nowadays is Knuckles from the Sonic 2 movie
@@ayrtonjoga Knuckles was actually smart in the old games, but then Sonic Boom came out and turned him into generic dumb guy.
@@Dr.Oofers I know, he is one of my favorite Sonic characters and the most relatable to me, I'm so glad the writers nailed him in the movie
But I don't mind his portrayal in Boom because everyone had their personalities exaggerated for comedy, and is a separate universe altogether, it's fine as long as that personality stays right there
Your defense of Buzz is glorious! I didn't realize just how awesome he was.
Interesting thing to note. Even though Buzz has evolved from his Toy Story 1 self, every movie has brought that version back in someway. Utility belt Buzz in 2 and demo mode Buzz and Spanish Buzz in 3.
4 is the only exception but it seems like they still wanted to try to have that in there somewhere. (They missed the point but I digress.) So they just had him acting like he does in this movie. That's my guess.
Edit: Nah fuck it. I'm probably giving them too much credit. They likely just didn't know what to do with him but he had to have some kind of role in the movie.
THAT is why he was my favorite character in the original trilogy
Not to mention, if I remember the film/pilot episodes right because I never got to watch the show - In Buzz Lightyear Of Star Command, HE IS A COMMANDER. He is directly called COMMANDER LIGHTYEAR to his face.
Why would he be in the Commander position if he's THIS stupid??
I dread to think what he's like in Lightyear, even if that's pre-Commander days, and yet I'm STILL LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
And I STILL want BLoSC on D+ so I can watch the fricken show legally and with subtitles. Who cares if Lassetter doesn't like it? I'm paying for the bloody service to watch these shows I never got on my TV as a child because we never got Disney Channel even up until it was taken off the air.
And they're not there.
Sorry.
August edit - I have now seen Lightyear. I can see that whole it's early days he's still well worthy of the Commander title. Might just need a couple of extra films.
@@minnesotavikingsfan9010 What do you want? A cookie? I'd recommend a better taste in films, but that's just me.
@@Roadent1241 Toy story is the best
As someone who hates the Pixar Theory, I hate what the directors did. Just let fans be fans.
They basically tried to destroy one of their whales, people who are guaranteed to show up for EVERYTHING you put out, no matter the quality. Only an absolute madman would attempt to ruin the demographic that is essentially free money
Toy Story 2: Buzz devises a rescue mission solo and figures out how to drive a car
Toy Story 3: Buzz realizes they need to escape the Caterpillar Room and crafts a plan (that works) to get out
Toy Story 4: "dHuR what mah buttoon say?"
😂
Yeah the writers assassinated Buzz's character and made him stupid when in the early films he was actually smart which is honestly not surprising.
Whats sad is that if they made his motives for listening to his buttons as, "stop planning so much and listen to your gut" or some 'fate' shiz, it wouldve worked. Not worked _great_ but worked better than, 'i literally have no braincells so ill listen to my buttons.'
Lmfao 💀
@@cdogthehedgehog6923 Buzz has shown time and time again to be able to balance creating contrived plans, and just going for his gut.
I have not seen this movie because my thought was "Did they really need another? Toy Story 3 ended the series perfectly." Turns out I was right.
Let me tell you why my friend: ✨Money ✨
@@cometribbonedits we’ve GOT to have… MONEY…
@@battybuddy i understood that reference 👌
@@battybuddy What's the plan Dutch?
What about Bo peep? They needed to reveal that after almost a decade.
I see that Buzz’s shitty character writing is really pushing your buttons
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Great pun
@@GamingMagic13 They better Buzz off with their writing
“to the infinity and beyond” stupidity
Woody listen?
I question Bo's intelligence and mental state since she's a fragile porcelain figurine that keeps breaking yet still loves the life of a Lost Toy
Yea it basically says “it doesn’t matter how much your life choices hurt you or break you, stick with it because what other options do you have?”
Plus she becomes an abusive partner too, so she’s just 50 shades of messed up.
@@mageofdoomsie1598 Or it's the idea of not allowing shortcomings to hold you back and to be there person you want to be. Everything can seem bad if you try to find it in the worst possible light.
@@zacharybryant9881 Doesn't explain why Bo Peep is suddenly so emotionally abusive and manipulative to Woody, something she WASN'T in toy story 1 and 2.
@@wreathofpalmaria And if I was commenting on that point, your argument might be sound, but I wasn't. I was commending on how you view the message and how it seems negative to a comically absurd level.
It's giving "pain makes me feel alive"
the best part of the car drive scene, is we can guess buzz learned this from the ONE time he took a front seat (andy was too young to be in the front seat iirc) which means that one time he was in that pizza truck, he was watching how the person was driving, and years later managed to perfectly replicate it.
buzz isn't stupid, hes a different kind of intelligent from woody. both compliment eachothers weaknesses, woody has an ego that makes reckless decisions, and buzz can rationalize a situation and snap him out of it fast, buzz struggles to understand what being a toy is, and woodys leadership makes a GREAT role model.
Un-ironically, Buzz Lightyear was a legitimate hero to me, both the in-universe character and the "toy Buzz" character. When I watched the first two films, and Buzz Lightyear of Star Command, I wanted to be a fucking Space Ranger. This movie was one I watched in theatres with my niece. Out loud, in the theatre, I said "What the hell? Buzz ain't that stupid." Keep in mind I had shown my niece the first three films by now. When I said this, she responded, "Yeah, he's a smart guy. Why is he using his buttons to live like... Like he's rolling dice in DnD or something? What if it had been a line he couldn't use?"
Yeah. What if it *had* been a line he couldn't use? So dumb. The writers not Buzz.
Remember, writers can only make characters as smart, or dumber than they are.
Buzz Lightyear Of Star Command was one of my favorite shows. It absolutely felt like something the buzz Lightyear toy was based on.
@@battybuddy Toy Buzz, according to the show did what was right, no matter if it was easy or hard.
@@TheSimpleMan454 yep, even when he made a mistake.
@@battybuddy even in Star Command Buzz is smart.
I honestly have NO clue why people thought Buzz was an idiot🤦 I always viewed Buzz was similar to Batman because of how smart and competent he was
Now remember ducky and bunny, they literally only followed buzz just to have a kid play with them and at the end of the movie they decided to stay at the carnival which begs the question why did they tag along with the cast just to have their dream come true than only to just change their mind like what?
I know why☝
So that we, the audience, can have some hiLARIOUS Key & Peele moments!
MERCHANDISING
WHERE THE REAL MONEY FROM THE MOVIE COMES FROM
@@checkm88 SPACEBALLS THE T-SHIRT! SPACEBALLS THE COLORING BOOK! SPACEBALLS THE LUNCHBOX! SPACEBALLS THE BREAKFAST CEREAL! SPACEBALLS THE FLAME THROWER! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
The kids love this one!
But you forgot the MOST IMPORTANT THING that Buzz did in Toy Story 2....after he leads the others to rescue Woody, it is BUZZ who reminds Woody of his true purpose....that he is a toy and he needs to be there for Andy....not stuck in a glass case in Japan.
I explicitly refer to that line of dialogue in the final part, since it’s most relevant for Woody’s final decision.
@@GamingMagic13 Ah. I haven't got that far yet. I AM enjoying listening to your commentary about this movie though. I love the Toy Story trilogy, but this movie DID NOT honor what made Toy Story so special and I completely agree with everything you've said so far.
You forgot to mention in lamp life how Woody offscreen tells the stuff he had to go through in Toy Story 3 to Bo and Giggles Mcdipshit says to him and i quote verbatim, no cap, no lie, 100% from the horse's mouth "THAT'S NOTHING." before Bo tells her bland ass forgettable direct-to-DVD budget ass backstory to Woody. As if her minor tribulations were somehow worse than Woody escaping from a totalitarian prison daycare and NEARLY GETTING FUCKING *_BURNED ALIVE!!!!!!!_*
but still cool series bro :)
😂🤣
"Direct-to-DVD budget ass" That one got me, lmfao!
I know! Let alone that Buzz was basically brainwashed like he was the Manchurian Candidate by Lotso and Lotso straight up tried to commit mass murder because he was so narcissistic and sociopathic that he couldn’t handle the fact that maybe it wasn’t Daisy’s fault they were left behind, given she probably wasn’t even 5 years old when she lost them and her parents probably got her the replacement Lotso because she was so upset at losing him.
This movie really wants you to think Bo Peep is better than Woody.
"Giggles Mcdipshit" got me lmao
Sometimes I wonder if the writers even watched the original trilogy or just watched some videos on CZcams and called it a day.
Right, we even know who these characters very well then the director who made Toy Story 4 🤮🤦🏿♂️
I love how writers want you to forget all previous movies, yet they constantly remind us about them.
Dude, you should have SO MUCH MORE subs. Really, consider making more of this kind of videos (God knows, Pixar/Disney made a lot of garbage lately) and you easily can have hundreds of thousands subs.
Yeah this channel is really underrated but the latest Disney/Pixar movies were pretty good
@Zelda Cereza I respectfully disagree
@Zelda Cereza every pixar and Disney movie the past 10 years have been shit
@@damastertony3986 HELL NO. Soul was fine, I'll give you that. Luca was fine. BUT TURNING RED. NO! That was just enabling bulls*** when the damn dad just allows his wife to walk all over him. What, dude, are you not going to defend your honor as a man or are you just a beta male? Then there's Lightyear. This man can tell you how DOGS*** that movie is on every inconceivable level.
It’s incredible that they’re riding the nostalgic wave of the previous movies while simultaneously shitting on them
So, the director had to take time out of his day explicitly to shit on a fan's theory about the Pixar movies all being in the same universe? A FAN'S Theory? A thing that doesn't actually have to be right. It's a suspicious set of clues that kind of make a coherent picture, it's a fan positing a thought for others to think about. Others who enjoy the movies related to the theory.
And couldn't be bothered to pay attention to Woody or Buzz's or Bo Peep's characterization
It just screams contempt and snarling elitism
One thing I didn't get when I watched the film. I may be dumb, but...wouldn't taking Woody's voice box be pointless? Not only could it be incompatible, but doesn't each voice box have preset sayings? So instead of Gabby Gabby's pre-determined phrases, she would have Woody's voice and sayings instead? So instead of something "cute," the doll would have a masculine voice saying "There's a snake in my boot!"
This whole movie is a godawful mess and that thing seriously annoys me as well.
The voice box only provides the mechanism to create sound waves; it’s useless without a disc to play, which is what has all the prerecorded lines.
Henry why Gabby Gabby’s plan is to take his voice box, because she explains that her disc is fine it’s just the box that’s broken.
@@GamingMagic13 ohh okay, thanks for clearing that up for me!
@@GamingMagic13 Holy shit, something in this movie makes logical sense?
@@smugalice6206 First time for everything I suppose
@@GamingMagic13 Halfway through this series, and I have to say, it’s just as well made as it is infuriating.
24:02
"Dolly, you arrogant little waffle!"
I'm sorry, but that broke me. I' laughed for two straight minutes.
Thank god someone else finally pointed out that Bo's arm thing makes 0 sense. I saw that the first time and nearly leapt off the couch in anger. The first like half of Toy Story 2 is dedicated to how Woody's arm doesn't work even with a slight seem rip and yet the movie wants me to believe that a bit of tape would not only keep her arm on but also fully fix it? Hell it even shows that Wheezy can barley speak with a busted squeaker which... calls into question as to why Gabby Gabby can even speak but we'll ignore that for now.
I've never understood this whole 'lost toy' angle like it was some mystical thing that toys would love to do. I was never allowed to touch random toys I found in the park, there's a reason why "Don't touch that, you have no idea where that's been." is such a trope in children's media because it something we've all heard. Did your parents really let you play with lost toys on the playground? Also, how many unbroken toys did you see on the playground? Plus the movie likes to pick and choose when Bo is a porcelain figure, she's never been rough housed with before even when Andy played with her, why would she like this life of nearly breaking and shattering every eight seconds by potentially being dropped onto hard surfaces on the ground.
Also god Bo looks so fucking different in this movie it drives me batty.
Huh. I already thought this movie trying to glorify the life of being a lost toy and making it seem wonderful when it really isn't but you bring up a good point of "not touching something when you don't know where it's been" as well as the fact that SO many toys would've been broken or busted if they chose this life-style (Bo should've been a hundred porcelain pieces by now, the smaller toys like Combat Carl or the smaller one, I forgot her name, being stepped on).
Well, there is an exemple in Sid house with a doll that got her head back with some ducktape.
That doll lost her voice and probably some neck moovement
I think ceramic might work differently from actual stuffing, but that’s just my guess.
I’m fine with Bo getting a face lift. Rewatching Toy Story, her original face just looks uncannily creepy the more I look at it. But I’ll admit I do miss her hoop dress, or as I like to call it, her umbrella dress.
I remember being genuinely surprised Woody wasn't rendered mute after his little "organ donor" stunt. Especially with the first movie implying that his voice was connected to his voicebox, having a conversation with Sid without opening his mouth most of the time.
Even back then when I first watched this movie and enjoyed, the moment Buzz said "What would Woody do?" I felt like I wanted to punch the writers In the face.
I am so glad to see more people criticizing toy story 4 as I had went to see this movie for my birthday a few years ago and was needless to say MASSIVELY DISAPPOINTED. It also made me particularly sad to see Klaus loose to this cash grab for best animated movie of the year.
KLAUS LOST TO THIS SHIT-
@@icantstopsparkling7450 it did indeed, but thats the Oscars for you, money over everything
Boi Klaus was robbed so hard. It was the best movie i've seen that year. Absolutely perfect Christmas movie
Jeez this movie has so many holes in logic it makes time travel seem possible
Buzz went from Ultimate Detective to Ultimate Clairvoyant within the span of a crumby writer.
Once again, the Buzz dissection is just PERFECT and again, it’s so disappointing to see him get handed the “Knuckles syndrome”
Another thing about buzz in the first movie showing his intelligence and character is that when he 'lands' he's alert and not trusting at first until he's is introduced, he then makes friends and helps the toys stile personal issues they have, like helping Rex to roar. He knows making friends could help aid his own needs, but he also enjoys his time with them too. He puts his own needs aside for others. He leads the toss in the second movie to keep going to find woody in the second film because he's that close of a friend to Woody, and even knocked sense into him when woody wouldn't join them to go home. He let woody stay, because it seemed he was too stubborn, but he did everything in his power to get him home and blindly trusted Woody's plans to save Jessie without asking for context because he trusts woody that much.
If Buzz of the first 3 movies was in this one, when it came to woody looking after Fork face, Buzz wouldn't take no for an answer and he would take action and lecture woody about how much its putting a toll on him, he would make a spreadsheet or plan on how they'd look out for fork face to make it simpler on the two and any other toy that would help out, Jessie would help too for sure, because we know Buzz is also very organised since in ts2 he has a full routine on how to keep track of all the toys during a yard sale. He ran Andy's room with Woody, so he knows all the procedures and probably added some as he would remember his academy training even though he knows he's a toy, the training still is useful in that regard
Buzz wouldn't force woody as he's not that kind of guy, but he would help woody see the big picture and understand that he does need help and would kind of give woody that nudge he needs
Buzz is a leader who has potential answers or ideas for almost anything
Ya know, part of the reason why Kingdom Hearts III took so long to get made was because the people at Pixar were fans of the franchise and wanted to make sure that the Toy Story and Monsters Inc characters were well represented, thus leading to a lot of back-and-forth which was exasperated by both the language barrier and time difference between California and Japan. And while KHIII was pretty divisive, most people can agree that the Toy Box and Monsteropolis worlds were the best parts of the game, as not only were the characters, ya know, in-character, but their subplots were written in a way that they could be considered canon to their respective film franchises.
Yes, the video game where "Let it Go" has a Maya watermark on it treated Toy Story better than an actual Toy Story movie.
Honestly, would replay KH3 just for the Toy Story segment. It was sooooo good
Woody in an actual Pixar movie: Bo Beep is here??? And my new child is not exactly as my old child??? And my gf is telling me to leave everything behind so i can live like a hippie with her??? Oh no what should I do??? Should I follow duty??? Or should I follow my heart???
Woody in a game made by a guy too busy to write his own story: Shut up, Xenahort (kills him with a snake in the boot)
How ironic
those monsters used lamp life as a backstory for our miss perfect and a kickstarter for their story
But in actuality that Disney short has screwed their entire plot over
Not like their plot didn’t look like Swiss cheese before that
Here's how I would change Toy Story 4:
- I would keep the intro. Nonetheless, I would also remove the Operation Pull Toy sequence with the window. I would have Buzz and Jessie work together to open the window. Rex or one of the other toys can be shown retrieving the barrel of monkeys and helping Bo pull Woody up.
- Woody would consider joining Bo in the intro, but he would see his boot instead of Andy. Andy would enter the scene only after the car leaves.
- Bonnie's parents are more caring and buy her a box of supplies meant to create a toy, but she loses the base form. Thus, Woody gives her a spork, resulting in the creation of Forky.
- Woody has traumatic visions of the incinerator when he sees Forky attempt to throw himself into the trash. Woody, Jessie, and Buzz would probably experience trauma from the first three movies in their own way. Overcoming your trauma doesn't always mean that it simply disappears.
- Buzz accidentally presses his chest button due to a bump on the road, allowing Forky to escape and throw himself out the window.
- Woody promises to meet his friends at the carnival at a set time. Woody, Slinky, and Jessie jump out the window together, but Buzz is stopped when Bonnie momentarily wakes up.
- Woody repetitively attempts to convince Forky that he matters, but he keeps failing due to Forky's many questions. Woody tells him the story of his life as well.
- Gabby Gabby is much more menacing. There is a scene where she tortures Wheezy for his squeaker only to realize that it is not a voicebox. He is saved by a hooded figure.
- Bo Peep meets Woody in the antique store instead of in the park. Harmony takes them both to the park.
- Bo gradually becomes more and more embittered over the course of the film due to Gabby Gabby's taunts and the hardships throughout the course of the film.
- I would remove Ducky and Bunny completely.
- The toys search for Woody and the others to the best of their ability. They have much more significant roles in this film. Bonnie's parents decide to stay a little longer to cheer Bonnie up.
- Buzz would not get strapped and become the grand prize. Instead, he would fly over the carnival and accidentally crash in an attempt to avoid birds and the rides. then, he would be captured by Gabby Gabby upon seeing the antique store and Forky.
- Duke Caboom and Jessie create a distraction as Woody and Slinky free Buzz. He is torn to pieces by Duke. Desperate to save her sheep, Bo attempts to save them from the cat. However, Woody risks his life to save Bo, causing Forky to wonder about the meaning of being a toy.
- Gabby Gabby reveals that Harmony has always wanted a Gabby Gabby doll. Thus, it is revealed that Gabby Gabby believes that it is her purpose to be there for Harmony no matter what. This causes Forky to question his suicidal tendencies entirely and eventually accept his calling as a toy.
- The sheep find the other toys and take them to reunite with Woody. They avoid being seen and strapped.
- Bonnie and her parents begin searching for the toys.
- Gabby Gabby threatens Forky directly, forcing Woody to surrender. Harmony has the voicebox installed into her. However, Harmony rejects her when Woody's voice plays.
- Gabby Gabby is absolutely crushed by Harmony's rejection, but Jessie encourages her to join them upon remembering her time isolated from the world.
- Rex, Trixie, and a few other toys stay behind in an attempt to pop the tires to buy time, but it has little to no success.
- Bo attempts to defeat Gabby Gabby to avenge her friends, but Woody stops her.
- The toys regroup at the carousel, but several street cats catch them. In a recreation of the chase scene at the end of the first Toy Story, they finally make it back to the trailer. Duke Caboom is alive and creates another distraction for the group, trapping the cats. Buzz flies Forky to the trailer as Woody and Jessie watch in pride.
- Bo offers Woody to join her, but Woody refuses, remembering his promise to Andy and Buzz. However, a few of the toys, including Mr. and Mrs. Potato Head, join her and Duke. Woody and Bo ride away from one another. Bo reflects on the days with Andy and Molly as Woody and Buzz say, "To infinity and beyond, old timer..." Meanwhile, Bo says, "So long, move buddy..."
- Gabby Gabby ventures on her own, determined to find her own destiny.
- In a post-credits scene, Gabby Gabby is donated to Sunnyside at the end, where she meets the other toys there.
- In another post-credits scene, Duke and Bo run into Utility Belt Buzz, a few new toys, and a modified Zurg, who tells them that they have a situation.
- In one last post-credits scene, a man finds Woody's voicebox, who laughs nervously yet sadistically upon listening to it. The man is revealed to be Sid Phillips.
Please let me know how this sounds! I will happily listen to any criticisms! Let me know if you want to hear my ideas for Toy Story 5 and 6!
Brilliant
“A character is only as intelligent as those writing them”
Seriously, I wonder how the next generation will turn out. I never realized how clever some of the characters in the older movies were, and I wonder how much watching movies like those affected us growing up into developing critical thinking skills. Guess we’ll find out eventually, since movie writing is getting less and less intelligent, cohesive, and original. Kids are much smarter than people give them credit for. Dumbing down a movie because you think kids are not as smart as adults is a horrible move.
considering the intelligence of some adults working in the industry, I'd rather trust a kid's ability to create stories
At 29:56 it’s as if he’s made out of rubber. the moment Buzz gets hit by the ride, he literally gets flung away as if he was made out of Rubber.
I’ll say the one thing is that while Buzz was doing the license plate, he did also get the commercial Hamm and Rex were watching to finally connect the dots, but I agree, buzz is not an idiot. Every thing he was based around in sci fi was all about heroes who keep a cool head, could figure out how to scrounge together weapons and traps on a planet they’ve never been on to survive, AND have a clever one-liner to say to their foe.
And while buzz may be a toy and not a real space hero he has the basic skills to fake it enough. Same with Woody and being a cowboy.
It always seemed to me that toys in this universe are imprinted upon by the intent of their creators, in demeanor and functionality.
This movie feels like an alternate universe where Buzz never realized he’s a toy and still thinks he’s a space ranger on some sort of prolonged mission. He thinks he’s on an unknown planet he knows nothing about so he doesn’t question strange ideas like a voice inside of you feeding you directions.
it's like they assume no one watched the previous movies. when fans tend to rewatch them to get ready for the next installment. and all of them are on a single streaming service so people will notice how out of character everyone is very easily.
Holy crap! This whole series is very critical of TS4. I didn't like TS4, because it really felt forced, contrived, and the characters (both the humans and the toys) felt really stupid or different from the previous films. I'm fine with a 'little' contrivance happening for the sake of the plot, but there was so much and it here and it wasn't even written well, but you analyzed so much more than just the characters and the story and I'm all for it. This is 'MauLer' levels of criticism and the editing is nice too. Have a sub!
The way this movie was constantly reusing the previous movies’ soundtracks for cheap nostalgia pandering is eerily similar to the way The Rise of Skywalker frequently reused soundtracks from the original Star Wars trilogy for cheap nostalgia pandering
@Camo 64 Sometimes, this can be done correctly, or is the smart choice! Harry Potter & The Deathly Hallows Part 2 reused the first movie's ending music during its epilogue, & it made the scene all the more impactful, & I don't think it would've been the same if they'd composed an original piece for the epilogue. It, of course, worked for that movie, but here, yeah, I agree, same with TROS.
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Oh believe me, I agree. There are many examples where bringing back a previous movie’s score works WONDERS for thematic connections and parallel framing in a sequel
But TS4 and TROS just do it at complete random, having no elegance or semblance to the callbacks whatsoever lol
They recycled the soundtracks but chose to change the characteristics of each characters in the movie. Interesting.
Omg I am so happy someone addressed the assassination this movie and those creators did to Buzz. At no point in the series has Buzz ever not been a knowledgeable and confident leader. And this movie made him a character who has no self awareness. Buzz is my favorite character in the Toy Story series and this movie pissed me off so badly that I had to take a 2 week break shortly after this scene were he jumped out the window because his voice box told him too, because I almost threw my remote at the tv.
If they assainsted my 2009 Woody and Woody.EXE like that, usgh I’ll be so freaking ANGRY
You know, Bo-Peep being a lamp brings up one more problem, and that is concerning her dress. In this movie they turned it from being a part of her body like in the original into a Barbie dress in this movie. But then you show clips from her adventures and in one, the bulb explodes, and her head is on fire. her dress suddenly being fabric turns her more into a fire hazard.
I'm shocked Bo didn't shatter upon falling from the frisbee scene. If she's so fragile it shouldn't take much to break her, not to mention her arms are already damaged so the impact should have been the actual moment to have her arm break.
When I heard 4 was coming.
My thoughts were
Lost toy, stolen toy, donated/rehomed toy.
Maybe 4 will be the one where Bonny is so lost, so without hope due to bullies or any number of stresses a young girl can't face, that this is the time where Woody breaks the number 1 rule and exposes himself as alive.
Maybe the movie focuses on Bonny a little older, old enough to understand consequences and reason. She knows not to tell anyone, and now we can see how a relationship between them works when the kid knows.
Woody came alive in front of Sid Philips in toy story 1.
@@wetube6513 Yeah to traumatise him.
I meant to be her friend.
Cars 3 made lightining mcqueen slow and no longer in his prime and made cruz the new star, but even that was better handled. The reason Cars 3s nerf on Mcqueen works but Woodys bastardization does not is because Mcqueen is on the older side of racing and knows that hes no longer in his racing prime and fears what happened to doc will happen to him, like student like mentor and Mcqueen decides to pass what doc taught him to cruz.
TS4 Woody just selfishly wanted to be a lost toy cuz Piss poor writing
While I would have preferred letting Lightning finish one last race before retiring, putting him into the mentor role feels more like a natural progression and a good place for him to end the series in (would have been better with a cars 2 that served as a proper middle point between 1 and 3 but oh well.), as opposed to TS4 where it feels forced and at odds with what came before.
@@Superluigi881 for cars 2 it would've been better had lightning been the spy instead of mater
Plus, it isn't just Cruz who is credited for winning the race; McQueen shares the win with her because he started it.
Cars 3 was fantastic, way better than the first 2. It wasnt forced down our throats, it was justva good conclusion to a story.
I love how when you ask "What are you doing?" you show Candace yelling at cheese.
This was the point where I gave up with this movie.
I could stand the first five minutes.
I could stand everything before this (I was drunk, so...) *BUT* when they re-introduced Bo and dragged out Buzz's newfound stupidity for a running gag that wasn't even nose-snort funny, I couldn't stand it.
Oh, and about the PT - I do believe Emily is connected to Andy. That is it.
This movie was...no, I'll hold off on that later - along with *LIGHTYEAR.*
Also, another thing is: *BUZZ IS AN OLD TOY. HE SHOULD BE SMASHED TO PIECES UPON HITTING THAT RIDE.*
And...Harmony feels like a plot device, but more *COMPETENT* writers could have had Woody do the write-a-note thing and made her Bonnie's friend!
The little cutaways throughout these are hilarious to me for some reason. You show the same like 5 nonstop yet I still giggle at most of them 3 videos in.
This movie gives me the vibes of “ha ha men stupid”
Also, Hollywood…. WOMEN CAN BE AWESOME CHARACTERS EVEN IF THEY’RE QUIET, SHY AND NOT THE LEADERS!! We can all lead in different ways and it’s okay for the woman to not be stronger than the man 😑
If they wanted yet another Strong Independent Woman… just use Jesse!
@@duncanharrell5009 exactly.
ugh, the worst part is buzz. unforgivable.
Omg! I love this analysis. I tell everyone that there are only three Toy Story movies. There is no fourth one. Nope. Only three. I have to rewatch the trilogy after your analysis of Buzz. The original film was just so good.
This guy gives me prime enter vibes, I like it, love the passion. He's not just rambling about some shit he doesn't give a shit about for a living. He obviously very genuinely cares about what he's talking about and I love it.
this guy is much better than enter though
You totally reminded me of how brilliant the trilogy was
Oh god, the timeline is hell in this movie...
Just for making a short fanfic, I had to run every timeline in of the original material, compare ages, using maths for almost every character, making lists of the order of events and IN THE END, check again to find out I missed like 1 year, so I had to make changes to make it be canonically correct for my readers wothout any type of pay to me...
AND THIS MULTIMILLIONAIRE COMPANY COULDN'T EVEN CHECK THE DATES AND THE ORIGINAL MOVIES?! WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING AT?! NEVER, EVEN WHEN I WAS STARTING TO WRITE FANFICS (Now I make GDD's and Narrative in games) I DID SOMETHING SO EMBARRASSINGLY DISRESPECTFUL TO MY AUDIENCE ASSUMING THEY WERE IDIOTS ENOUGH TO NO CHECK THE GODDAMN YEARS!!!
Years aren't even that hard to do. Sure, they're big numbers, but it's basic addition and subtraction, and EVERYONE HAS CALCULATORS BUILT INTO THEIR DAMN PHONES!!!! It's so easy and they messed it up. It's clear as day that the script was the first draft and that's all the work they did on it
Not to be THAT guy, but I find it suspicious that the previous male lead got A LOT dumber while the previous female side character got much, MUCH stronger. Just a thing to consider and think about
Feminist bullshit
just take a look at the scene where Buzz and Bo-Peep meet each other again at 1:08:36. Buzz, a very large, heavy and sturdy action figure Space Marine designed for rough boyish play, is manhandled and picked up by a porcelan shepardess lamp. Give me a break. Just imagine how much heavier buzz would be. Those few seconds tell the whole story
Who's the feminist that demanded that?
TS4 definitely suffers from the "modern agenda" syndrome. -_-
This brought Character Assassination to Woody,Buzz Lightyear,Jessie,and Bo Peep in More Ways than One.
This is my first video of yours and I’ve only watched like the first 8 minutes, but I’m already in love with it. Each point is well substantiated and flows into the next, plenty of funny jokes are included, Mauler style edits are included with clips that match what you say and how you say it. I can tell I’m gonna enjoy this series.
Hearing Woody's line about Bo being missing from the Crew after Andy and Molly grew up in Toy story 3 made me sad, I wanted to know what happened to Bo, but not like this :( they ruined her character just like they ruined all the main character personalities and being out of character so much it insults the original audience
This movie is the cinematic equivalent of a turd covered in glitter.
i hated the "inner voice" plot for buzz
i remember saying to my mom "i could believe buzz maybe doing that in toy story 1. but not this far into the franchise."
because back then, sure he could potentially take those as commands from star command. i could buy that. but not after he realizes the truth.
The scene where Woody is sitting by himself in the middle of the night while watching over Forky and Buzz joins him for a chat had SO MUCH potential, omg. At first I was like "Yes! Finally!! Proper interaction with these two! I bet they'll discuss something deep and meaningful, have a genuine heart-to-heart that's going to carry the rest of the film's emotional tone!"... But instead, it went along the lines of "Uuh, so inner voice = pre-recorded system? InTeREstiNG." That made me mad, not gonna lie. WHY make Buzz such a bumbling dunce for literally NO reason whatsoever?? It really did feel like a full on character assassination, which is all the more puzzling and infuriating because Buzz is a treasure and everybody loves him.
I was depressed and crying by myself and Woody.EXE decided my mental health came first, he comforts me by holding my hand and saying “It’s okay girl, the Queen is looking down on you” and I just LOST IT WITH EMOTION. Even my 2009 Woody joins in my comfort zones and I just love both of my Woody’s so much
Instead of just making a shitty movie, the writer and producer have put in a lot of effort in communicating that everyone that loves toy story- is stupid and that they hate you, in one single movie.
"Imagine if the writers of any other highly theorizable franchise were to so callously laugh about the insanity of the theories of their fan base."
Yeah, imagine if the writers on Sherlock were to create characters to voice some of the fans' theories for how Sherlock survived, then portray them as obsessive crazy people, tell them that the explanation doesn't matter, and continue on without ever giving any explanation.
Oh, wait.
Started watching these now, and realized even Kingdom Hearts 3 handled Buzz a lot better. I don't even like how he's portrayed in that game. He comes across an A hole to sora & friends, but he seemed more competent than how he's portrayed in this movie. At least Buzz made up for it for being more cautious, and suggest waiting to see if Andy or their missing friends come back. It was a pointless idea from our perspective, but not from theirs being toys. So even with that issue, Buzz still stood as the second in command in leadership, like he's always been with Woody.
From what it sounds like, seem like Buzz forgot all that in his film. Which is strange cause he was always the "born to lead" type. The driving force. The one that pulls everything together when things goes wrong. So a scene that everyone comedically tells him what to do. Sure he would probably be overwhelmed, but you would still expect him to come up with something clever than pushing a button.... then say he has to go lol.
That's the most infuriating part, even freakin' Kingdom Hearts got it while the actual sequel to the trilogy movie cannot.
When i watched toy story 4 i wasn't so analytical and try to enjoy, and yet so many inconsistent stuff is annoying, you might think buzz is dumb but he's not brain dead, he's basically the second in charge.
Everytime they ask me why i don't like toy story 4 i just say "it betrayers the previous movies", i don't understand how people find ok that woodie leaves everything behind just to get some toyussy.
Also, he didn't learn not to be jealous of not being choose all the time in toy story 1?
"Toyussy"
Lmfao
I hate how they did Degraded Buzz in this Movie, dude was one of my favorite characters and seeing him become this was sad
Remember when Buzz wasn’t stupid, Remember when Woody wasn’t useless, Remember when the movie was all about the dynamic duo with Woody & Buzz
Can we go back to that
Buzz is my favorite Toy Story character. I teared up with your Buzz segment, it was beautiful. I really appreciate you making this series because I also hate this movie. Shameless hacks, how dare they.
You know one of the points they make in this movie franchise is woody is an old toy too. Like made in the 50s or so. It's weird that they put so much emphasis on his relationship with Andy, when Andy must have been, like his second or third kid at that point.
I'm pretty sure it belonged to his dad first, but I think Andy might've been his favorite kid.
@@Haunted_Plush *gasps* FAVORITISM!
@@Haunted_Plush
To be fair, it seems unlikely he'd have ever known Molly, considering how young she is in the first movie, where he's nowhere to be seen.
1:02:04 This scene really annoyed me on my first viewing tbh. How are you going to say "Oh yeah remember these two being a little flirty and love interests? And how we want to make them full love interests as the main plot of this movie? And how she's a very honest, wise, kind person? She's going to say she had no feelings for him, there was nothing there."
At least let her dote a little on the past if you want to set up that previous cute love interests had that relationship if you want your main plot to be about them getting together! There's no will they won't they, friends/best friends to lovers, newfound partners in adventure, or any of those other tropes here to justify a denial or flustered answer, especially given how honest Bo is and how brutally honest she is about her thoughts in this movie. Let her give a teensy gossip. I'm surprised that if she told Officer about "the cowboy" she hadn't already talked about their thing, it's sad it has to be brought up now and she denies it. Unfair to Woody, real Bo, and most importantly the real life audience.
Buzz is my favorite character from this franchise and it is for that reason that I refuse to watch Toy Story 4 ever again. I know that’s a bit dramatic but the first two films helped form my morality. It was Buzz and Woody that I looked up to the most. TS4, more than anything, doesn’t understand the morality of these characters or the first 3 films.
39:27 Another one that did this right was the Super Mario Bros Movie as not only is Peach a sweet person while still being strong, but they also don’t make Mario look like an idiot and in fact is the one to save the day in the end along his brother. So that’s also a knock against Toy Story 4 in terms of how Bo Peep is characterized.
John Lasseter: Look how they massacred my boys! 😫
To give this movie the tiniest bit of slack, Lamp Life was released after Toy Story 4. When viewing the established timeline of Bo in this movie solely, it actually does make sense. She says she's been out free for 7 years and later on, she says she was in the antique store for a couple of ears (which can be inferred to as 2 years, since we know it has been 9 years since the flashback). Now of course, the fact that Bo has managed to stay free but still very close to the antique store for 7 years without being taken away by a kid or broken altogether (considering the material she is made out of) is absolutely stupid but the actual timeline of events in this movie only is plausible. She was taken to the antique store, stayed for 2 years before leaving and then she lived a free life for 7 years (9 years in total).
The issue is that when Lamp Life was later released, it completely contradicts the established backstory Bo had in TS4. There is absolutely 0 way you can match up the timeline in Lamp Life to the timeline in TS4. Lamp Life's timeline could technically work if Bo was only free for a few days or so but that would then contradict TS4, where it's stated that she was free for 7 years. The whole security system set up in Lamp Life also creates problems, especially if we're supposed to believe that Bo left the antique store (and subsequently broke the security system) 7 years ago. Why was that never fixed? Not to mention other inconsistencies which are created, such as the slot machine Toys.
So Lamp Life retroactively made Toy Story 4 even worse, which is certainly an accomplishment, as Toy Story 4 was already a absolute trainwreck without Bo's inconsistent/contradictory backstory with Lamp Life.
Edit: I’ve found out that Lamp Life was actually comprised of deleted scenes from Toy Story 4. So they actually originally intended to put that backstory in the movie, cut it out (hopefully because they realised that it completely contradicts dialogue Bo gives in the movie and makes the plot make even less sense) and then put that backstory in a short movie. That admittedly does change my perspective on the situation a bit (for the worse).
There are also 2 things I want to say about the tire scene:
1. when Jessie jumps out the window, Rex yells "Jessie" and his mouth movements don't even match up to what he was saying. That's right. This movie which cost $200 million to make has a lip syncing issue, and Rex is the main focus of the shot. This isn't a fatal flaw or anything, IDK if there are any other lip syncing issues in the movie and IDK if there were any in the previous Toy Story movies but the fact that this animation error made it into a $200 million Pixar movie (which was delayed multiple times) is kind of shocking.
2. If we just accept the fact that Jessie can effortlessly pop a car tire with a nail (as ridiculous as it is), why doesn't Jessie pop all 4 of the tires? What's stopping her from popping the rest of the tires? She seems perfectly capable of doing so and the humans in this movie are absolutely braindead at noticing the toys so she absolutely would have gotten away with it without detection. Considering that we later see how ridiculously long it takes the dad to fix one tire (which was incredibly lucky for the toys), just imagine how long it would have taken him to fix 4. Even if we was able to fix all the other tires very quickly after the first one, that still would have bought the toys a little bit more time.
I guess to be a lil fair to Lamp Life, Bo did say "Well, more or less." to Woody after she finished telling the story to him.
Which would imply that... while these events did happen, not all of them were exactly accurate. And that stuff like her experience at the Antique Shop; actually happened differently compared to how Bo interprets it for Woody.
Or at least that's the best I can interpret with this single line of dialogue.
"... begins with Brave"
This is Good Dinosaur erasure, and I am all for it.
It used to be brave to monsters inc, but now it’s good dinosaur to monsters inc.
Sadly the reason why they wrote Buzz so badly is because Tim Allen is a conservative and had his successful conservative show. I remember seeing an interview with Allen after the movie came out and he said that he feels like they neutered Buzz so that they could write him out. When Toy story 4 was announced the creator was asked about Tim Allen and his 'Problematic views' the interview-e said that it wouldn't be a problem because Buzz doesn't have many speaking roles and he isn't the center of the story anymore.
Wait but now they're making Lightyear where Buzz is the main character??
@@lautaroroldanpizzorno7494 Chris Evans is voicing him in the new movie not Tim Allen sadly
@@worthog0 That sucks so much
@@worthog0 at LEAST have the sense to get Patrick Warburton…
Is it really that hard to separate Tim the voice actor to Tim the real guy? Especially since Tim only says what the script says? I can understand not agreeing with his views or liking his sitcom show, but I don't think that takes anything away from Buzz Lightyear the character
The way they wrote Buzz's character here is the main reason why I wished this movie never existed
Bo Peep being a lost toy and only mildly broken really pulled me out of the entire world of Toy Story 4 (I was already checked out of the story with how out of character everyone was but I had suspended my disbelief for the spork) Logistically, a porcelain doll that was passed around multiple households (especially with rowdy children as we see in the short) does not live very long, and you can shorten that lifespan a whole lot more when you add the general elements of the outdoors, because porcelain dolls are extremely fragile. My grandmother gave me a porcelain doll as a present to show that she saw me as old and mature enough to treat such a fragile toy with care and not break it. You can't even store these things near a window, especially if you're a collector because the sun will damage it. It's a miracle she didn't break when Andy was playing with her tbh
Toy Story 4 was so bad that instead of doing a Toy Story 5 and continue following the “adventures” with Fork Face (great name by the way) Pixar is doing a story origin for Buzz. That just goes to show the level of “respect “ Pixar has for Josh & TS4.
Can I just add what a nightmare the character Forky must’ve been for the marketing team at Pixar.
Imagine getting the daunting task of marking and trying to sell a spork as a toy to children.
I would never spend $40-$60 bucks on a spork because Pixar wants to slap googling eyes and that damn bendable pipe.
All of these videos are literally exactly what my problems with this movie are from start to finish. My video for why I hate this film is only 20 mins and I knew that wasn't enough but now I know someone has gotten it out there. Well done
The assassination of Woody, Buzz . They cannot show strong and brave male characters in film and TV anymore, they do not want you to have any strong role models. Same for Jesse, shes a woman who uses her brain and not just her emotions so they cant have little girls (or boys) looking up to her either.
Its the third age of joachim da fiore
Wow.. this movie keeps getting worse and worse. Also... these days it was revealed that Marvel's executives didnt wanted the climax of Civil War to be Iron Man and Captain America fighting each other... instead, they wanted the Avengers to get back together to fights the five Hydra super soldiers... the only reason that didnt happened was because the Russo brothers stood their ground...
I would’ve had the Airport battle as the climax
The entire point of the Civil War comic was that Cap & Iron Man were at odds and fighting each other. You can't have any loose adaptation of it without them fighting. You can bend the reasons, sequences of events, locations, and what have you, but their fight is the definitive plot point and entire reason for Civil War existing. It's almost like geriatric producers don't know the fundamentals of storytelling like a professional storyteller does
Watching your in-depth analysis of Toy Story 4, I firmly believe that the Oscar for Best Animated Feature should've gone to Klaus, Missing Link, or especially How to Train your Dragon: The Hidden World.
Still currently watching this review and I have to tell you I agree with so many points here. It’s so much of an outlier and I absolutely hated what they did to buzz. I still believe that this was just an “alternate ending” but even that is too good to call this. Very much a, “look what we can do now”, movie.
The fan theory being debunked doesn’t bother me, but I noticed the poor logic and continuity errors of this movie. Toy Story 4 was my Last Jedi, for no reason it reveled in destroying a story that I loved since Kindergarten.
Well it's even worse for me since this was my second Last Jedi, and I haven't even watched it because I am afraid, but now that I am here it's pretty much too late, there never was a toy story 4... Only a trilogy, this just all in our heads it never existed...
@@quirinoguy8665 there is no Toy Story 4 in Ba Sing Se
One thing: This movie never addresses the pretty significant dangers of being a lost toy. Especially for Bo, since she's a fragile porcelain lamp decoration and that fact she isn't riddled with cracks and only being barely held together with glue is impossible, considering how we see her act.
Except when they did, it was treated like some kind of a joke.
@@allibean9086 True.
Let's be honest, Pixar hasn't been the same since the MeToo Moment got John Lasseter canned from Pixar.
The current state of Disney as a whole hasn't been the same since Lasseter's departure and the metoo movement. Yes what he did was bad, but at the same time losing him at Pixar was like losing a piece to a puzzle.
@@Waltman13 100% correct. Absolutely.
Pixar's been hit or miss at best since TS3
@@Waltman13 exactly
I beg to differ. I think Pixar is doing a lot better without John Lasseter as now the studio is back to doing original films instead of sequels to their past works and much more new directors being allowed much more creative freedom to make their films without much interference and being able to include different styles and tones to their newer films. True, some can have mixed feelings on their recent films, but I don’t think is a side effect of John Lasseter being gone. Sometimes it’ll take a while to get used to the new style and new directions of the latest Pixar films that are completely different from the looks of the previous films. But I think it’ll definitely pay off in the long run and people will cherish the latest Pixar films as much as the older ones.
My iPad was literally at 50% when he said “We’ve reached the halfway point”
Buzz is my favorite character, so imagine how I felt...
Also, I don't know if you mention it in another video, but I thought it was a mistake to forget his relationship with Jessie after Toy Story 3
I love that couple
My parents are very casual movie watchers, don’t ever care about a deep story or whether or not continuity is a big deal or not, taking the movie at face value but when my dad goes “I didn’t like this movie. It changes too much,” I knew Toy Story 4 wasn’t good.
Its so clear Bo Peep is coping about being a lost toy “7 fantastic years” yet moments later is clearly depressed and sad at the mention of Molly, same for Billy Goat and Gruff who were excited just at woody mentioning her.
All the lost toys hate being lost and want kids. Combat carls saying woody beat the odds at having a kid and are excited to be played with at a birthday party. The fair toys scolding buzz about how they ruined thier chance for a kid. Gabby waiting YEARS for one special kid.
The only one in blatant denial is Bo and it makes it that much worse than Woody in the most out of character moment thinks being a lost toy is in any way better than being with Bonnie
Bo Peep is on copium.
A completely accurate review, the only thing I have to nitpick and disagree with was the Apollo Justice example 'cause seriously 2/4 trials in the game are solved by hobo Phoenix with Apollo just being his representative.
I came to the comments looking for this lmao. I also disagree with the Rift Apart comparison. Rivet is the worst part of that game. She says that she wants to meet Ratchet, but then makes fun of him at the same time. Like, what? She also never calls Clank "Clank" for some reason? She calls him "Bolts". I'd say that is going against the earlier games, just sayin'.
A more fitting example I can think of is Kiryu in Yakuza 7. He's not the protagonist this time; a completely new character, Ichiban takes that role. Ichiban (and his entourage of also completely new characters) stands on his own pretty well. And later in the story, when they come face to face with Kiryu, the legendary Dragon of Dojima we got to know since 6 games and more spin-offs, they get absolutely demolished in a (canonically) 6 vs 1 fight. Kiryu is not disrespected as a character despite him not being the focus for once.
Except they made Phoenix a total idiot who didn't even try to fight back in that flashback segment in Succession
@@weirdberry2886 WTF CAPCOM????
The whole game revolved around Phoenix outsmarting Kristoph
I never once realized how smart Buzz really was.
Thank goodness you're covering the character assassination of Buzz. Because that was absolutely devastating to me. I was like "Wait what? Who is this? This isn't the Buzz I remember..." He's SMART. What the hell! I was SUPER pissed. Like I wish you could know how happy your proof of Buzz's intelligence sequence is making me. I'm sitting here like "YES...VINDICATION!" Also this trend of separating dynamic duos forever has GOT to end (Toy Story 4, Wreck It Ralph 2 [which I also hated omg talk about character assassinations], Frozen 2...just stop.)
What's so sad is the "7 fantastic years" continuity error could've been easily avoided. Instead of saying "nine years ago", it could've just said "many years ago" to leave the time gap between then and now vague and allow viewers to make up the amount of time in their heads. But nope! They had to pander to the fans, and in doing so, punch a huge hole in the continuity. Good job Disney, are you proud of yourself?
When you called Gabby's book the Prima Official Game Guide for the Befriend Harmony Video Game, my soul left my body
58:08 I also had a Buzz Lightyear as a kid, and a Donald Duck plush.
One time I actually got the plushie's hand stuck in buzz's helmet.
What happened is that when I pulled it the plush hand just slipped off the helmet since it's, you know, a plush...
What I'm trying to say is that even assuming the helmet is incredibly sturdy, Daffy's foot would've just slipped off with no problem.
Wich leads to my next point: 56:40
How is Daffy knocking Buzz's head? Or even hurting him, AT ALL? HE'S A PLUSH!!!
He is small, soft and fuzzy, it is much less than the equivalent of knocking yourself with a pillow (presumably to vent out your frustrations after watching this garbage).
57:57
LITERALLY HOW?!?!?!
Let's do some math here:
The average small plush can weigh up to 2 onces.
A Buzz Lightyear Talking Action Figure™ weighs about 2 pounds.
This means that Daffy is somehow able to pull something that weighs 15-40 TIMES HIS WEIGHT, UPWARDS?!?!
NO MAN!!!!!
THAT'S JUST FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!
IT'S LIKE PULLING AN ELEPHANT UPWARDS!!! WITH YOUR BARE HANDS!!!!!
Josh never had a toy in his life
And now he is using an opportunity to spread misery on other people to pay back all of the problems he had in his life
Or
He is a Rebecca Sugar level idiot
This is why I don't like sequels, prequels, reboots, or all the other money grabs. Make a good movie that tells a compelling story, then let it go.
If done right sequels and prequels are good but I believe it is also good to know when to stop