Pro Drummer Teaches You A Hi-Hat Technique That Will Change The Way You Play
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- čas přidán 28. 09. 2022
- This technique was recently brought back to my attention, and by working on and mastering it, your 16th notes on hats will get an instant upgrade!
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That stick alignment in your palm like that might just be the game changer for me. Thanks for sharing, Stanton!
I hope it helps! Thanks for tuning in 🙏🏼
Love the passion and dedication that Stanton has for his art. That combined with great technique and wanting to share it, is what makes him an outstanding drummer and teacher!
Thank you for the kind words! 🙌🏼
Great tips! A couple years ago I watched the drumeo video. Todd said, this is what separates the men from the boys and shortly after I bought methods and mechanics just for learning the shank tip hats. I also grew a full beard after learning this 😂
Naw but I havent revisted the video since despite using this all the time. The stick placement you give is a great reminder!
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99, Georgy Porgy and many more tunes from Toto, played by the one and only Jeff Porcaro, are also great to practice this technique that Jeff use to called " The Snake Motion" thanks Stanton.
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Keep Forgettin- Michael McDonald
I must say….
You are THE MAN! Thank you for taking the time and energy to explain this so well.
You instantly improved my technique hope your next session is a blast!
06:42 The best "Funky drummer"demonstration i ever seen and believe me i'm digging for this groove all over the place
Thank you very much for saying that Arie. I’ve definitely worked on it over the years. 🙏🏼
That is SO HELPFUL! Thanks for sharing the info!!!!!
I’m so glad to hear that. Glad to share it! 🙌🏼
Very clear and accurate information. Thanks a lot for your time to explain !
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TANKS MAN!AS A BASS PLAYER,BUT ALSO AS A COMPOSER AND ARRANGER, IT WILL HELP A LOT TO DEVELOP NEW IDEAS!!!
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Great instruction, Great playing & great sound. Thank you & best wishes!
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Wonderful. Thank you Stanton :) We pianists have a similar
approach to repeated notes with the wrist -brilliant
solution for staying relaxed, fluid and musical. Rock on!
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This video is great, I had a lot of qustions about this shank-tip technique! Y'all answered them all and I am now working on getting this method down for my 16th note hi hat work! Thank you!!!
Thank you for your positive feedback! I appreciate it! 🙏🏼
All that is the child of the Moeller technique which is a treasure.
its like moeller minus the "drop"
Awesome lesson that helped me immediately. Thank you!
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Great lesson, Stanton! ❤
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Awesome! Thank You so much for your different perspective. This is more how I think. Train analogy was great.
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Love the locomotive explanation, amazing teacher
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Who’s else thought the their video was set to 0.75x ?
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I think every educator needs to watch Stanton teach. This video is a great example. It is clear he cares and just wants to get the best information out there. He applied four different explanations within on example of a technique, and they were all relevant to different types of learners. The books that he has written and played on are all worth the purchase price.
Thank you for your kind words and positive feedback Justin! I appreciate it! 🙏🏼
@@stantonmooremusic Thank you for being an awesome educator and musician! Come to Seattle soon!!! My wife and I both love seeing Galactic. :)
@@SEAJustinDrum I am coming to Seattle October 7 and 8! I’ll be at Nectar Lounge with Garage-a-Trois. Come on out and say hello.
Thanks Stanton! I love the slow mo demonstrations and how you talked about the feeling of the movement, first palm forward, then wrist up. I've worked on this technique after seeing Todd Sucherman's (had to come back and correct the spelling...RESPECT!) video on it. I've found it to be very helpful, and, I still get tired rather quickly because it is using big muscles (upper arm, forearm and wrist). I've practiced it while playing with the tip of the stick on the top of the hi hat, and while obviously that's a different sound, it's easier to play, as you are getting a lot of rebound off the hi hats that way. Also, the way I remember Todd playing it, he hit the eighth notes with the shank of the stick ON THE TOP of the hats, which gives you some rebound, instead of the shank on the edge of the hats, where the stick just dies. Many ways to catch a rabbit :)
I will try it with the stick coming straight up the hand in alignment with the forearm.
That snare sounds FEE-NOM-A-NUL!!!
THANKS!!!
Very cool. Thanks for tuning in Brian. Glad you’re digging the snare! 🙌🏼
Thank you.
Excellent presentation. Love the locomotive analogy with wrist/hand and slight arm movements. That's a simple groovy, funky beat. Damn right I'll subscribe and Thumbs-Up.
Thanks so much Dwayne! 🙏🏼🥁🙌🏼
Man if Only I had this Kind of Info back in My day 😞 I just Played by Ear, but I kept it Funky 🎉🎉🎉
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I will try this ... Many thx for this demonstration 😊 Greetings from germany Christoph 🎩 👋 🎩 👋 🎩
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Thanks for sharing this
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Thank you Stanton, that was useful.
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Stanton, sorry to go totally off topic. I listened to "All Kooked Out" for the first time yesterday. I woke up thinking about it, it was so good, and on second listen today, all I can say is ... holy shit. Fantastic. Been a fan of Charlie Hunter for quite some time, but this album of yours is absolutely terrific. I'm going to dig into the rest of your albums over the next little while, and I have to say, I haven't been this excited about upcoming listens in a very, very long time. Thanks for these great videos you do, but most of all, the incredible music you create, and help to create. I'm without words at your kindness, your passion, how much joy you bring to music, and ... well ... thanks!
Thank you so much for all of your kind words. I truly appreciate it. Feedback like yours makes me want to continue doing what I do. I am very happy to hear that you are digging what I am doing and I promise that I will continue for as long as I can! Thank you! 🙏🏼
Great tip I'll need to try this one and no drummer will get a complaint from the neighbours practising this 👍
Yes indeed! Added bonus!
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Thanks for a great lesson Sir.
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Love Drumeo.Jared Falk.😁
Jeff P. used this technique when he played 16th note patterns on the hats with one hand. He was a master at this technique!
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Awesome lesson. I'll apply it to learning "The Stranger" by Billy Joel. I've loved that tune since 1977 and still can't play it without supplemental oxygen and multiple protein shakes.
Thank you very much 🙏
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Wauw that’s something else
Another good one! Thanks again for these great videos! I've been using this technique for a while..it's a must have in the funky toolkit !!
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Thank you for the great tutorial
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Great video; another lesson I can take away and add it into my playing
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I'm by no means a good drummer, I'm more of a casual (and very average) player. One thing I noticed though, is that during my «early» years, I had some terrible sounding hi-hats, and thus I never experimented much with the hi-hat. They were either closed or slightly open, but that's it. And to this day, this still follows me... never underestimate the needs for decent equipment.
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Brilliant. Thanks
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Very cool, thanks!
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As a beginner mere days ago I think I need to learn proper hi hat teq and god bless this is in my feed. Great tips can’t wait to get into it!
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This isn't "proper" technique it is just "a" technique. There are several that work and that one would use.
I love you mr. Stanton
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This technique is the same as a Mohler push-pull. Useful for every genre and can massively increase endurance.
it's only useful because everyone uses it and if you want to play drum covers you have to learn to copy shit drummers that play like this.
I can hold singles on my hat hand at 240 for over 20 mins without slowing down.
But are you groovy!?
@@greedfox7842Sucks if you ever have to play a 30 minute set then.
@@greedfox7842 yeah, all the shity drummers like nate smith, louis cole, marco minnemann, jojo mayer.... XP
@@greedfox7842- It also has practical application. You sound like you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.
Very instructive Stanton, thanks very much. I also find that flam paradiddles - singles, doubles and triples - are great 16th and 12/8ths feel exercises. ‘Alphabet Street’ by Prince is a great tempo and feel for these when practising on the pad.
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Very nice. Thanks.
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Such a great technique! I've used a similar motion to this for busier hi-hat stuff. I like the comparison to the locomotive!
I've been working on open/close technique. Is this something to add to that, or is it a totally different idea. When I increase tempo it becomes hard to differentiate between the two. (?)
@@cookiecogen This is a different thing than open close, Totally worth spending the time working on it. I find myself using this technique most often now. It has definitely strengthened my 16th notes! 🙌🏼
Im a beginner older adult.Took up Drums couple years ago played on and off.Had to sell my other Drum set.Have another E-Drum set.Like your video.Always Looking for good tips on playing Thank you.😁🎸✌️👍🌈
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Thanks Stanton..a nice funky groove I wrote it down, hopped on the kit and tried it out..sloppy try but another great groove to work on.
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Pretty cool tip,seems it might take a little strain off the wrist and elbow,I’ll give it a try being I’m getting older and feeling all my joints hurting a little more these day.
Hello from Canada - Thank you Mr Moore - Great lesson as I have been struggling w this groove....back to the wood shed😂 Look forward to any of your clinics if happen around Montreal or Ottawa👍✌️🙏🤲Cheers!
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Yes, the stick in the crease of the hand, nearly in line with the forearm is the key. Thank You!
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Thanks , recently got back to drumming after almost 30 year layoff
Will try on clapton wonderful tonight
Was never shuffle guy but trying to get better
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incredible video man! im asking my self whats the diference between Shank tip and moller ...
Looks like I had a good drum teacher. He taught me that within my first year of drumming lessons :)
He taught me french grip though, which makes the locomotive motion very natural.
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Earned a sub.+like! Love it!
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Nice bass drum sound btw!
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Very good.I might add that the Funky drummers best hi hat work came on'I got the feelin' 1968 james brown song.even his ghost notes are super.Another super drumming by the Funky drummer is on the'Popcorn'instrumental song from 1969.Even as a young teen the ghost notes caught my ear,it sounds like he is dragging brush on the snare head between beats
I always think this feels like the arm and wrist goes 'flat' ish then wrist points up/ 'hook's up making a little hill shape. You can see this more when you try/train the movement by resting your forearm elbow and hand on your thigh. The forearm and wrist starts flat in contact with the thigh, then wrist (only) pulls/hooks up creating a little tunnel almost that lifts the wrist and to a forearm off of the thigh ( knuckles and elbow keep contact). Then flatten again by pushing the wrist and the forearm down into the thigh. Following the train theme , it's a bit like opening and closing a tunnel.
You could try this on a table but it would be more painful and stick would clatter into table probably.
I think trying the movement on the thigh can help force you to realise how small the motion can be which will allow greater speed. If you do it too big, your knuckle will leave the thigh, which will still be the correct essence but will limit speed.
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This is so great, man! I've now officially realized that I'm using the up/down technique when I'm playing 16ths, either it's accented or non-accented. Possibly fingers are doing some work too...In any case, that came just from playing and trying to achieve faster grooves like funky drummer, kissing my love etc...Thanks for sharing malaka!! Love it!! 🙏🏻😁♥️🥁🎶
PS : can we all please appreciate THAT snare drum!!!! Oh boy... 💙🥁💙
So glad you’re digging this one my man! You were a huge inspiration to learn more about consistent 16th note grooves and creating this lesson. Thanks for always pushing me to learn more so I can share it with y’all!!! 🙌🏼🥁👊🏼
@@stantonmooremusic Malaka, c'mon... Your enthusiasm and willingness to learn and deliver is unmatched. We thank YOU!! 🙏🏻☺️🙏🏻 Remind me to give you a big hug on 5th (or 6th) of December! Which I'll do anyway! ✌🏻😁✌🏻
@@portnickos 🙏🏼 I look forward to that hug Malaka! 🙌🏼
When you were first showing the motion, I thought..."reminds me of a train engine." 👍
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great..!!
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Moeller or any variation of it always increases speed without sacrificing endurance. Great video
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I'm 73 yrs old. Still drumming. No one to gig with so I just play...sticking,feet,my own music,rudiments. Still love it
Using your fingers more can also help with building speed and ergonomics.
Easier on your wrist, allows more dynamics also.
Also watch Stanton on Zildjian Live, pure joy!
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@@stantonmooremusic It would be really cool if you could take us through some of the things you do in that show. It is just so damn good! I especially love the way you set everything up before the crescendos go off. Thanks!
You're awesome Stanton Moore.
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I could hear that snare all day!
the groove from the intro too
Thanks! That’s my titanium Spirit of New Orleans snare drum. It’s available at Memphis Drum Shop and Drum Center of Portsmouth!🙌🏼🥁👊🏼
30 minutes to 60 minutes a day… One could master anything!
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Hi Stanton, nice video !
I would just like to add one comment about the technique. You can notice when playing slow especially, I think the tip movement should more likely be shown like a bi product (even though somewhat controlled) of the wrist going up, or « breaking » as I put it, rather than a voluntary stroke of its own (like the push palm movement).
That way you can clearly demonstrate that you’re saving half of your energy, as the palm push going down is the only movement that requires force.
Sorry for getting really nerdy 🤓 lol
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Which part of arm muscle should i be focusing on? I feel like using a lot of upper muscles are engaged when practicing this, is this normal? As usually i am using forearm muscles for whatever stroke i am playing
YOU A GOOD DUDE! YOU KNOW THAT ?
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We have this on keyboard with left wrist hand position. Look at Greg Spero and Tony Monaco. Jazz players do it more. Classical is "not so much."
You learn this forward and back motion if you play the Irish bodhran. So even though the stick rotates you circle your hands forward and back which gives you the endurance and speed
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Can you elaborate on the difference between this technique and double Moeller strokes? I know that there's a difference but I'm having a hard time articulating it to myself. Is it just the stick placement (i.e. tip and/or shank for Moeller vs. tip AND shank for this one)?
Great technique!been doing this for years. Its comfortable too. And it adds dynamics as well.
What hi has are u using? They have a very nice tamber chic sound
Thank you! These are 15 inch Keropes. I love ‘em! 🙌🏼
I do bell body bell body or vise versa too
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Enoch!! My brother!!
Love me some push/pull!
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the same thing with doubles... This & single Strokes is essentially all there is XD
Thanks for this lesson! Your description of lining up the stick with your forearm reminded me of an exercise that Emmanuelle Caplette demonstrated. What she did was reverse the stick, so that the pivot point was still between thumb and index fingers, but the tip of the stick was hitting your forearm, close to your elbow. Working on strokes with the sticks in this position really helped with making sure the sticks lined up with the forearms correctly. Again, great lesson, thanks much for sharing!
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Any way to apply this to the snare?
Using the train wheel analogy, which way are the wheels rolling? (toward or away from the hat)
Toward the hat🙌🏼
A technique also championed by Rush’s Neil Peart in multiple sections of Tom Sawyer, in 1980’s Moving Pictures.
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Great stuff. Just wish the audio was slightly louder
You can hear this done by the drummer Willie hall on STAX records
How is this different from the Moeller technique?
My drum teacher taught me this many yrs ago as "The Snake"
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Nice lesson. What is your left hand motion when playing the double shuffle?
It’s kind of an up-and-down pumping motion. I will display this in more detail in an upcoming lesson on traditional versus matched grip.🙌🏼
@@stantonmooremusicThx... certainly looking forward to it. I switched from trad to matched years ago but now I'm trying to get back to trad, or really a balanced and healthy combination of both. If I'm in a high volume situation I usually have to incorporate matched as it's a stronger back beat - at least currently : /
@@stevejenkins6919 cool, I think you’ll really dig this episode when it comes out, hopefully Thurs or Fri.🙌🏼
I was wondering if you were also a little push pull with your right hand ?
Why do we say "Right or lead hand"? Is there a third hand option I'm not aware of?
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As a left handed person that plays drums right handed I struggle with this
Also, your bass sound is rather nice!
Basically the moeller whip
Watch the video of the Beatles doing act naturally on the Ed Sullivan show Ringo was a master of this technique
I think the drummer from Bill Withers uses this a lot.
Please, do you know what is the snare drum on the video? Thank you.
That’s my Spirit of New Orleans titanium snare! It’s available at Memphis Drum Shop and Drum Center of Portsmouth. 🙌🏼
@@stantonmooremusic Wow, thank you! I did not expect to hear back from the master himself! I know it is kind of odd to comment on the gear under the lesson video, but i just love the sound so much. Thank you for the great video and your work.
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I know this as the push-pull method
I think it is important to say that wrist should stay loose, people might get it wrong when you telling about up and down hand motion
That's all from my perspective of playing and I definitely can say that playing it with loose hand is not only more effective, but also healthier for yor hands
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I found it helps when you use motion lotion to go with this.