Jerry Reed Said No To Elvis
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- Dave Roe tells the story of how Jerry Reed refused to give up his publishing to Elvis. Dave played bass in Jerry Reed's band.
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I’ve heard this story before, but slightly differently: jerry finished recording and the colonel told him to sign the papers. Jerry said no and the colonel said, as in here, “well then it isn’t going on the record”. Jerry said fine, then you go tell Elvis that “guitar man” won’t be on the record. The colonel backed down and Jerry walked out and went fishing.
Awe man, can you imagine fishin with Jerry Reed. 👍🏼👍🏼
. .⚡. .I can believe that Reed shut the Colonel down but not to the point where the Parker listened to anything Reed said . . There was a story about Sinatra and the Colonel at the Fountainbleu Hotel in Miami . .Elvis was straight out of the army and scheduled to appear on a live broadcast as Sinatra ‘ushered’ EP’s return to stage and recording . .on the morning of the show at the hotel, Parker alone went to Sinatra’s suite attempting to squelch more money for EP’s appearance, Sinatra wasn’t there but Parker left a message with whoever was there. . Sinatra learned of the extortion prank and with shaving cream on his face and barely half dressed pounded on Parker’s door and laid down the law with him. . .I don’t remember what Sinatra could have told him but the final outcome was Parker laid skid marks and kept his distance from Sinatra for years to come . . Ironically years later, Sinatra would eventually call upon Parker to be his manager . .Parker did decline Sinatra’s request . ..✨a very strange man, Parker
@@MsBonijoni Rumor has it that Sinatra was Mafia backed, so Sinatra probably didn't have to threaten the Colonel much to get him to run and hide.
@@SergeantExtreme . .✨. .you’re so right . ..Parker declined Sinatra’s request only years after he had learned how ‘protected’ Sinatra had become especially in Vegas where the mob controlled most of the action, and whatever Frank wanted, Frank got . . Parker ran alright 😂
There was a rumor that Reed sicced Fred on the Colonel, but it's discredited because everyone knows Fred don't like grease.
Jerry Reed was one of the greatest American musicians ever. Period.
Totally underappreciated, sadly (except by those who know).
44 is one of the best country songs in existence. And it wasn't even released.
Lightning rod for me is one of the most interesting sounding songs i have ever heard.
Is he? I’ve always known him as one of the greatest. Seems like common knowledge
@@kayzeaza You were raised up in good music it would seem. Many were not, sadly.
Great guitar player
I never get tired of hearing Reed stories! This is gold Otis, thanks for sharing.
You ain’t wrong brother!
Props to Elvis for standing up to his greedy manager once in a while. He should have done it much more often!
"Stood up" to the guy doing his bidding. Reed is the one who stood up in this story. Elvis caved to Reed.
@@redrick8900 Doesn't sound like it was "caving". It was simply liking and respecting him enough to eschew the usual arrangement his manager would arrange. Now if Elvis had directly been trying to talk Jerry into accepting the deal that would be a whole different thing, and I'd have to agree with you totally! 😊
@@mirozen_ No. He had a demand. Reed said no and made a counter demand. Presley caved to Reed. That's objective fact.
You don't understand how managers work. Elvis was directly demanding that.
@@redrick8900 Lol! If you think that's the relationship that most have with their managers then I think the singers you've worked with aren't accurately representative! I personally have known a number of singers and bandmembers who had some choice things to say about their managers and their relationships with them!
I agree it's objective fact that Reed stood his ground and got what he deserved, but I'd be willing to give odds that it wasn't even an issue on Elvis's radar in this instance. As I said, if it was something Elvis was pushing directly after hearing Reed refused I'd agree that "Elvis caved" would be a good description. But I seriously doubt that was the case. Elvis liked Reed and said screw it when his manager tried to push the standard deal. If anything I would say that the Colonel caved to Elvis in this instance.
@@mage1439 You don't understand that managers can't do that without their people knowing and endorsing it.
As Jerry would say- “When you’re hot, you’re hot!” Good for him. Elvis probably respected that along with being amazed at his raw talent as a musician.
I always knew there was another reason why I like Jerry Reed. Not only was he a top talent, he was a shrewd businessman.
I could listen to this guy all day. Thanks Otis.
There was a similar story with Dolly Parton. Col. Parker pushed for half of the publishing rights. She said no.
Indeed. “I Will Always Love You.”
That would have been hard to turn down for a young upcoming singer but it sure paid off. Especially with the Houston cut.
@@CAROLUSPRIMAAbsolutely. I may have been mistaken on the Reed story. There is more to the story. I've seen on another CZcams video where Elvis told Tom Parker he wanted to record "Guitar Man" and to pay Reed the royalties. Plus he wanted to record with Reed because of the way Reed played the guitar.
@@tomlemery8490 This isn’t exactly on point but here’s the way it works. Once a song has been released then any artist may record it - even without permission. This is called a compulsory license. But the record company pays the publisher of the song who keeps 50% and splits the other 50% among the writers.
The Colonel wanted half of the publishing rights. These stories imply that Reed and Parton actually owned 100% of the publishing which is very smart and a little unusual. But if they hadn’t owned it then the Colonel couldn’t have asked them for it.
Performance royalties are collected by performing rights organizations such as BMI and ASCAP. These are in turn paid 50% to the publisher and the other 50% split evenly among the writers.
In Dolly’s case she apparently owned all the writer’s rights and all the publishing rights, 100% of the song. The Colonel asked for one half of the publishing. So even with this Dolly would have kept 75% of the income from the song.
Very gutsy call indeed.
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Yep, that's the way it works.
@@CAROLUSPRIMA really interesting. Thanks.
And yes, that was gutsy of her.
Love Elvis...and I can understand his infatuation with Reed, I share the same..but I love Reed and his basset hound even MORE... Eastbound and Down... STILL play it today as I drive down the highway... FOREVER grateful...his memory will never die ♥️
Because Reed was a great guitar player .
Jerry Reed was a great guitar player and singer. One of my favorite songs is Tupelo Mississippi Flash!!
Well Reed is like if Elvis was the real deal.
Dogs name is Fred
My younger brother and I got to meet him and get his autograph way back in the mid 70's. He was too cool!
Jerry Reed is so under appreciated.
These Dave Roe videos are so great! I have a few Nashville-style chord charts written by Mr. Roe. I have held on to them because they are beautiful and perfect examples of that chart style for those that are new to it.
Jerry Reed was a very prolific songwriter.
I was very surprised when I finally heard Reed play. I was never into the genre he was part of. I only knew him as the snowman, and for "Eastbound and Down" Smokey and the Bandit crap. Well he was one hell of a guitar player. Absolutely a HUGE talent.
Elvis also recorded "Talk about the good times that Jerry Reed wrote. Glad Jerry was a Georgia boy!
Good for him!😊
Another reason to love some Jerry Reed!!
Way to go Jerry ! Smart & talented man.
Awesome. Such a Champion. Big influence on my guitar. Thankyou
I was in a hobby shop in Franklin Tn. When this tall guy started talking me asking me questions about RC airplanes. Later someone said to me, do you who that is ? Nice guy down to earth.
I read that at that time many artists wanted to write music for Elvis: Elton John, Bruce Springsteen, etc. But Elvis manager always demanded that the artists give up their music rights (Elvis himself didn't know about this, since everything went through Colonel Parker). When Elvis found out about it, Elvis bought some music himself and paid a lot of money for it. These pieces of music, which Elvis bought, became world hits and were very successful.
Elvis typically got 1/3 publishing and he DID know about it. There were times when he got half, which were typically songs written especially for Elvis for the movie soundtracks. Elvis earned more from publishing royalties than record sales. It is a sword that cuts both ways. It gives you revenue on all these songs, but it discourages Elvis from recording much better songs because heavy hitting songwriters did not need Elvis to make money.
Springsteen wrote the song Fire for Elvis to sing, and in fact mailed a tape of the demo to Graceland, but unfortunately, it arrived several days AFTER August 17, 1977, so Elvis never got to hear it.
@@Kohntarkosz Can you imagine if Elvis was able to record that song. Do you think he would have give a sound live Fever or something a little more upbeat?
Of course, Elton John didn't write his own music. It was Bernie Taupin.
@@andrewpolasek5524 Elton wrote the music, Bernie wrote the lyrics
Dolly said no to Elvis too, when he wanted to record “I Will Always Love You,” for the same reason.
she said NO to colonial parker, not ELVIS..................
@@littleelvis3358 Yes, technically that's true, but because she said no to the colonel, the result was the same. Elvis didn't record "I Will Always Love You."
Actually the biggest song in question was Coat of Many Colors, probably her greatest song. She really wanted Elvis to record it but simply wasn't going to give up any of the rights.
Jerry Reed is an icon... Would have liked to have met him..
RIP
Elvis never recorded the Jerry Reed song 'Tupelo Mississippi Flash', this was a song that was written about Elvis. The Jerry Reed songs that Elvis recorded were Guitar Man, US Male, A Thing Called Love and Talk About The Good Times.
Hey Otis..! A brother-bass-man on two shows in a row..! Cool..!👍🏼❤️
Here's Dave talking about playing in Jerry Reed's band.
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According to Mylon Lefevere, Elvis himself told Parker not to take his publishing for the song “Without Him” when he was fresh out of college. The story by Mylon is on you tube
Both he and Christopher Plumber where classic actors with magnificent singing voices and talent.
Us mail was the 4th song of Jerry’s Elvis cut.
Highest-charting one of the bunch, too.
They found Jerry fishing and brought him to the studio is the old story.
lovin the channel man
You were in Kentucky? Your website doesn’t show these dates ? I would like to catch a show .
Jerry Reed was one of the top guitarists in the world.
You know of what you speak!
An absolute genius with a guitar, but so shockingly overlooked in ‘greatest guitarist’ surveys, as is Glen Campbell.
@@glasgowcarstorage Yes GC overshadowed by his music than as a guitarist.
@@glasgowcarstorage Roy Clark also was an amazing guitar player.
@@mickeyphillips6603 Roy Clark can play Reed under the table.
I guess that took some balls, because even half the publishing of an Elvis hit would have been worth having back in the day (I assume)
Elvis knew Jerry Reed was worth every penny. Sucks that Elvis never wrote his own stuff but he certainly knew how to pick the right covers. Rip Jerry Reed.
Thinking Dolly told him no too.
She definitely did. Unheard of at the time especially for a female songwriter.
Eastbound and down, loaded up and truckin'... Jerry was the King of pickers. But Roy Clark deserves some love, too.
Jerry Reed, Roy Clark... they sure don't make 'em like they used to. That's for sure!
As Jerry Reed once said in The Waterboy, "Don't be messin' with a champ."
I live in middle Tennessee and we have a great respect for Jerry. I like taking little American flags to his resting place at the Woodlawn Mausoleum in Nashville
Cool.
would love to have heard Elvis sing 'East Bound & Down" my favourite of Jerry Reed's songs.
Dave Roe, a good Bass player. I remember him in Jools Holland with John R 🙂
Great story!
I went to Nashville for the first time back in summer of 2021. One of my stops was to see Woodlawn Funeral home to see and pay my respects to Jerry Reed. Jerry’s playing was a inspiration for me as a musician.
Fun fact for those who don’t know, Woodlawn is the final resting place for many musicians like George Jones, Johnny Paycheck, Marty Robbins, and Tammy Wynette. Just to name a few.
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Jerry was smart not to give up his publishing even to Elvis, my favorite song was Amos Moses. RIP Jerry.
Lord, Mr. Ford
Good for him!
So what deal was cut?
Sit down on it Jerry! Make it count Son!
Dolly Parton tells a similar story, except, her song didn't get recorded because they wouldn't back down.
Elvis good man for standing up for your bro .
Jerry sounded like a tough good old boy, didn't take any bodies nonsense
Jerry said no to the Colonel. He said yes to E when asked to play guitar on his cover.
Good !
Elvis didnt record "Tupelo missisipi flash",but "US Male"🤠great Jerry Reed story though
That's how it's done!
Jerry Reed had faith in his own abilities. He knew a bad deal when he saw it.
More importantly, Elvis said “No” to the Colonel. Such a shame he didn’t do more of the same later in his career.
Well, I get a feeling that Tom parker had some kind of hold over Elvis that effectively prevented Elvis from getting rid of him. Some kind of secret or something, and I think that was why Elvis seemed to get fat and depressed. One of the richest guys in the world but he didn't have control over his own life.
There is a more in-depth version of this story on this site...
That's the only time I've eever heard of Elvis going against the 'orders' of the "Colonel"
Elvis did the same thing for artist who wrote many songs during his Memphis American Studio Recording such as In The Ghetto, Suspicious Minds, etc. When pushed backed on, Elvis wasn't stupid enough to let great songs get away.
RIP Mac Davis
Elvis Presley: GOAT
What a cool story!
Jerry told this story one time, the guitar sound wasn’t right so Elvis insisted they get Jerry to play in studio. They tracked him down fishing, hardcore for days, so he hurried back to recording studio, still stinking of fish, played the song, as he was leaving they cornered him and told him he had to give up half or threatened no to the song, Jerry said he told them, “look over there (at Elvis) how happy he is about this song, you go tell him he can’t release it”. 😂 Elvis said , “ Oh hell yes I’m releasing it, pay him his money”. The only other person to not give up half publishing on a song was Dolly. I Will Always Love You, think she made the right decision. I don’t think Elvis ever did release it.
Jerry Reed,,,, "Pimp Extraordinaire",,,,
"Hey Elvis! YOU'RE FIRED!"
It would be more accurate to say that Reed told Tom Parker "No". Dolly Parton also said "No" to the Colonel, for exactly the same reason, which is why we don't have an Elvis Version of "I Will Always Love You".
That songwriting credit thing was really more of Parker, than Elvis. That was the business end of it, and Elvis wanted no parts of the business end. One wonders how things would have turned out, had Elvis been more inclined to pay attention to the business half of things.
I want to remember that Elvis wanted to record some of Dolly Parten's songs but she would not sign over the rights.
Not what I read. They were already cutting Guitar Man, so Reed was getting his cut no matter what. But Elvis was not pleased with the guitar tracks that the musicians were putting down, so Chips Moman called Jerry Reed and he came in to Memphis from a fishing trip and laid down the tracks.
Elvis knew... you don't mess with the One Snowman!
US Male. i knew he cut two. I didn't know he cut 4. I was surprised he cut Tupelo Mississippi Flash.
He didn't!
He didn't. Elvis cut US Male, Guitar Man, A Thing Called Love and Talk About The Good Times.
Dolly said no also when Elvis wanted to cover 'I Will Always Love You'
I wonder just how much Jerry Reed made off of 'Guitar Man'? Be interesting to find out.
Some things are more important then $$$$.
He called Jerry cause Scotty couldn’t play the licks like Jerry Reed. Love me some Jerry Reed. ♥️
Scotty wasn’t with Elvis at the time
@@roustabout583 I think it was Harold Bradley or Grady Martin.
ROUSTABOUT IS CORRECT ABOUT SCOTTY. THE STORY I HEARD WAS NO BODY COULD GET THE GUITAR SOUND CORRECT SO ELVIS WANTED JERRY, HE WAS ON LAKE FISHING SO HE CAME TO STUDIO UNSHAVEN AND FISHING CLOTHES. HE AND ELVIS HIT IT OFF RIGHT FROM THE START. AND HAD A GREAT TIME DOING THE RECORDING. AS JERRY WAS LEAVING IS WHEN FELTON JARVIS AND COL.PARKER WANTED HIM TO SIGN AWAY THE RIGHTS HE SAID NO, THAT IS WHEN THEY SAID IT WOULD NOT BE PUBLISHED. HE SAID OKAY SO YOU BE THE ONE TO TELL THAT MAN STANDING OVER THERE POINTING TO ELVIS. THEN THEY SHUT UP. JERRY KNEW ELVIS WAS EXCITED AND PUMPED UP. I HEARD THIS FROM EITHER A JERRY REED OR A MUSICIAN WHO WAS THERE INTERVIEW. LOVE THE MUSIC OF BOTH ARTISTS.
i ALWAYS wonder how different and probably better Elvis's legacy would be had he never gotten involved with the Colonel.
Fuckin A! Good for Jerry!!
I think the fourth song you’re trying to think of is “US Male”
Also I don’t believe that Jerry holds the record for a songwriter who has the most songs recorded by Elvis. I think that’s Ben Weismann.
Great move Mr. Reed.
Yeah, I took a pass on a Kenny Rogers cut for the same reason. He wanted all the publishing and half the writers. He wanted to change a couple lyrics he had trouble annunciating. So, I just said no to everything. Someone else cut it. It all works out if you stick to your guns.
I wish Elvis could've seen the thieven wreck he had as a manager. Parker was nothing but a crook. And Dave is right. it was Jerry that stood up to Parker, and when Elvis was told the songs wouldn't be used, it was then Elvis insisted that Jerry get what he was asking. Chet Atkins was a smart guy in music. Him and Jerry Reed were very close, and he gave Jerry the best advice he could give him.
💪Elvis
I fully understand why Andreas would push for sharing writing credits.
Most of the new releases Elvis recorded became huge hits simply because Elvis was singing the song, Andreas was simply ensuring that Elvis cashed in on his own phenomenal ability to turn even silly songs into hits.
Of course I am not a fool, Andreas was also looking after his own bank account, he collected half of what Elvis earned.
Go figure.
Elvis wasn't involved in that part of the business. After Guitar Man was cut, a couple of the RCA guys cornered Reed in the hallway telling him he had to give up 50% of the publishing. It was hostile. Elvis happened to walk past and said to Jerry how much he liked getting that track cut..and the record guys quickly changed the tone to make it seem to Elvis that they were congratulating Jerry. Jerry held firm (knowing Elvis loved what they just got) and said why don't we just forget we did this song because he wasn't going to budge. Jerry beat the Colonel! I got to see Jerry Reed in concert 4 times between 2000 and 2002. I've heard him sing Guitar Man and A Thing Called Love, and I'm thankful for it!
I know that Dolly apparently told Elvis no regarding "I will always love you". He apparently never recorded it but Dolly seems to have won that battle regardless.
If only Elvis had been stronger with the Colonel !!!!
Elvis Recorded Guitar Man, US Male, Talk About The Good Times and A Thing Called Love.
Actually the title should be Jerry Reed said no to the Colonel. Elvis stood up for Jerry.
Please repeat that as the coyotes were howling too loud when I was watching this.
Bruce Springsteen screwed me over for payment on lyrics. He took lyrics from me and he told me that if he used them he would pay me depending on how good they were.
I provided him lyrics in 1974 when I was 15. I provided him some more lyrics in 1975. I provided him lyrics through Steve Van Zandt in 1982 the stuff that was on the Born In The USA album. Bruce Springsteen made Millions off my lyrics and never paid me any money. I was too young to understand copyright law and I trusted Bruce and thought he was my friend.. I swear to God I'm telling the truth. My name is Eric Heine from Sonoma California.
I worked at Sky Blue Studios while Bruce was recording there behind Mike Appel's back. Bruce is a "song shark." Bruce didn't write all his own songs. He stole from me. Elvis Presley was an honest and decent man.
Jerry was a tremendous guitarist and song-writer. Great guy.
How do you know he's a great guy? Are you trying to hint you knew him? You are FOS!!
First time jerry reed met Elvis, he said, damn Elvis I wish I was a woman now!
He didn't say no to Elvis, he said no to the Colonel...Which he should have, he did, Elvis told Colonel to give him his money, and he did!
Jerry played the fool but he was anything but.
The guy said "The Colonel AND Elvis" wanted him to sign half his publishing, but if we're splitting hairs, Elvis gave the Colonel sole discretion on the business end, he never concerned himself with it. Too bad really, had he taken an attitude towards business like his character in Jailhouse Rock, he would've been WAY better off.
I miss JR
I still impersonate Jerry Reed as Cledus Snow in Smokey and the Bandit. Be careful! Be careful!
I've never come across a shred of evidence that Elvis covered Tupelo Mississippi Flash.
Attaway Snowman👍