Egon Schiele- Understanding Modern Art
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- čas přidán 7. 07. 2024
- Egon Schiele, successor to Gustave Klimt and enfant terrible of the Vienna Secession is a key figure in the history of modern art. His unusual paintings, which can range from insightfully beautiful to horrifically ugly not only redefined how we depict the human form, they also show traces of Egon's search for the new sense of self the modern era had supposedly brought with it. As the 20th century and Modern Art gets well under way with everything from Expressionism to the build up to the First World War we take a look at Schiele, his life, times, influences and techniques to get a bit closer to understanding just what was going on at the inception of Modern Art
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One of my favourite channels doing one of my favourite artists..Great day for me! :)
Thanks, he's one of my favorites too
There are many artists but no one had such a immense impact on my art and understanding of art and the depiction of bodies. I wasn't really a fan of abstract tending and modern art. But when I first saw Schieles collection in Vienna I was so amazed that it eventually changed my whole style of art. I'm thankful everyday that I found his art. Bringing lots of joy into my work and showing how beautiful imperfection can be
Fellow Irish person here just commenting to say this video is amazing 👏
Cheers!
The little humorous jabs are really something that adds to the videos . On their own the video’s are well done, but it’s nice to see some humor on a topic that practically lends itself to dry discussion.
And frankly they never cease to give me a good chuckle.
Thanks, glad to hear they work, lways looking to lighten things up and keep it interesting if I can
I also found myself laughing a couple times haha
Dive as deep and as wide as the muse moves you. We are the beneficiaries of your curiosity and creativity.
Another truly excellent video, this is.
Cheers Genco, very well said! I'll keep them coming so, thanks again!
I just want to say that I love your videos. You are one of the handful of channels that got me into art please keep the videos coming.
Thank you! Will do!
Wich other chanels did it for you ?
@@rodrigogomes2064 Great Art Explained and The Art Assignment are the two that I can remember.
@Rodrigo Gomes Great Art Explained and the Art Assignment are both great, if you're looking for more channels Art history with Alder and Art Review are excellent too, well worth a look
Schiele in my opinion is one of the most beautiful artists that exists. His line art is so fluid, so clean, his bodies have a way of construction that is so human despite not looking human. Distortion on the faces is so interesting. Schiele is so interesting, I can not explain Schiele. But I see humanity in his works
Thank you for taking the time to create this. So good.
Back again with a look at Egon Schiele, who's name I'm almost certain I'm pronouncing correctly, and yet the more I hear it the more it sounds like an Australian saying the name Sheila. Oh well, hope everyone's well, I may do one more short video on the Vienna secession and in particular Oscar Kokoscha with a few bits left over from this and the Klimt video. If however you're all sick of hearing about turn of the century Vienna we can skip that and move on to the new and ever greener pastures of Expressionism, Dada, Futurism, Suprematism and all the other 'isms I'm looking forward to covering. Feel free to leave any questions, comments and all the rest down below and I'll get back to you, and as usual you can support us at www.buymeacoffee.com/theartshole
Oh no no no - why'l anyone be tired of the videos, it is u who's doing all the hard work. Plzzz do the Vienna Secession & Kokoscha video.
Lol, OK just checking! I think it might be me more that you guys who's getting fatigued with Vienna stuff from all the research. There are some more interesting things I'd like to cover though so I definitely will
Not a big complaint - you video is awful darn concise and crammed with great observations. BUT! The photo of Klimt and Schiele talking shop 4:15 is of two actors in a 1960s Austrian television documentary about them.
Now that you mention it that Schiele does look a bit like a pound shop version of him! Great catch, I should have been more observant about where I got the image from, thanks for pointing it out!
@@theartshole311 That's the "miracle" of the internet! A person posts a photo of an actor in the role of Napoleon and, after it's been reposted by a few hundred people, it becomes the only known photo of Napoleon. Have a great and safe 2021. ☺
never heard of this artist. Im glad i watched this
Glad to hear that, hope you found it interesting!
@@theartshole311 im loving this series. Im really looking forward to your videos about abstract expressionism. Artists like franz kline, pollock and de kooning are some of my favorites.
I just LOVE your side notes and humour. BRILLIANT!
How does this channel only have 15.5k subscribers? It's so good.
How this only has 20k views is beyond me.
20k feels like a lot to me! Guess its all relative as they say
Brilliant , provocative and beautiful.
Thank you for this video!
Oh wow! New episode early in the month! Wonderful! ❤️
Technically it's late from last month, but I prefer they way you put it!
Thank you for this great documentary!
No problem!
Another amazing upload. Thank you!
Glad you enjoy it!
just wow! beautiful video
This video was great! I've loved Schiele's works since I've visited Vienna couple years ago, but never fully grasped the whole meaning and history behind them. Thanks for this detailed essay :-)
Glad you enjoyed it! Never been to Vienna myself but after all this research I'll have to go see it for myself
Thank you 👌💕
Your narration is excellent and thoroughly enjoyable to listen to.
Thank you kindly!
Excellent video. The pace is perfect and I like your commentary and analysis. The very last line gave me chills because for a moment I thought you just described me.
Cheers, glad to hear you liked it, especially the last line, was unsure about using it but glad I did now. It's a testament that Schiele was onto something if his works can make us feel this way even today
@@theartshole311 It is very chatactertistic of Modernism in all forms - this obsession with the self, with the subconscious, the feeling of alienation and hollowness, the inadequacy of society and social bonds, the purposelessness of life.
This is it, It's an era of seismic changes that makes up so much of our modern world too. I think understanding what was going on then can often help us make sense of things now, we really are still dealing with a lot of it today
Lovin’ your work👌🏼Another class episode
Cheers Gray!
This was superbly enjoyable.
I love this channel, though this is my first video to watch but I'm sure I'll binge watch all of it
Cheers! Hope you enjoy the rest of them
My afternoon sorted
Lol, hope you enjoy!
Lovely video egon schiele is my favorite artist
thank you for this video. I loved it. I also watched it in 0.75 % because of the narrator's speed
Great video!
I just got back from my local book store and viewed a publishing on Schiele. Wow! Not familiar with his work until now. Thank you for the lesson. Cheers!
You're very welcome!
This excellent drawer and fab painter is my favourite one. He could draw the picture perfectly well and then with some hints of colour here and there, a Masterwork arose. His sense of movement in his human bodies, his bold, kind of cinema's outlooks, it all collaborated to get very innovative, modern results in his pictures. Have been always fascinated with Egon Schiele. Am also fond of painters related with the use of light and shadows, as Rembrandt, Caravaggio and the Basque Zuloaga. Then there's also Friedrich, whose mistery and symbolic pictures have interested me a lot, as well. To end with, the Symbolists, as Osbert and Moreau are our kind, too. Their rich colour textures and images are quite powerful and meaningful. But Egon Schiele reunites the fact of being a genius in drawing with that of being an outstanding painter with his sense of colour. Schiele remains modern, updated as no other. There are many of his works that are awesome. Up to the point that we manage to get some we liked a lot in posters. Then we framed them and decorated our apartment with those. It's another artistic taste I share with my girlfriend and have always be happy with. The way we did it allowed us to discover this artist to many of our friends, who became fond of, as well. Enjoy with Egon Schiele, someone to sink in his pictures. 💎❤️👍🤗
Thank you for the slow, lingering camera.
Thanks, love to examine these works up close, with good images you can see every line and brush mark
I wish this video could be longer, but what a horrible time the early 20th century was. Schiele's art is really interesting, I like it a lot more than Klimt's personally. Even if he wasn't a feminist, he seems to have acknowledged the humanity of his subjects in a way uncommon in art at the time. His textural work is also inimitable.
The early 20th century certainly can be a bit rough, lots of very unpleasant circumstances people had to live through.
I probably like Schiele more than Klimt myself too, think the contrast between them is fascinating though, they're so radically different from one another in their approaches and concerns despite being essentially products of the same era.
Klimt was the bad boy of Viennese art for about a decade. When Schiele and Kokoschka showed up, Klimt realized he was the now Old Guard. To his credit, he accepted it as how time - and art - marches on. He encouraged and promoted both of them. Klimt and Schieke died the same year. Klimt was 56, Schiele was 28 - half Klimt's age. Kokoschka had left Vienna before then, thinking the art scene was too much of a member's only club. He lived to be very old, dying in 1980 at age 93.
I was in Wien/Vienna a long time ago and asked a leading art scholar where Klimt was when Schiele was in trouble in Neulengbach. According to her, Klimt was eager to come to his rescue, but his friends told Klimt his own reputation would only make matters worse for Schiele.
Disclaimer: I've set flowers on Klimt's grave and years ago drank bourbon with Kokoschka's widow in Switzerland. Good times, good times . . . !
Great video. You must have put a lot of work into that one. Much appreciated.
great insights about an artist i ignored everything about aside from his stunning line.
Thanks! His line really is something alright, probably my favorite aspect of his work
Thanks for being my gateway into modern art. Honestly searching for it on youtube gave me 90% "why modern art sucks" results.
No problem, I know what you mean, it's all to easy to wallow in negativity on the internet sometimes
Super good art criticism. Looking forward to watching more but this one is particularly good. bualadh bos
Amazing
Thanks!
Thanks
Bravo!
Thanks!
Great video. It's hard not to be captivated or drawn into Shiele's paintings.
Thanks! Yeah there is something about them that really draws you in
How about Kandinsky? Great insightful videos...learning more here than elsewhere
Yes Kandinsky is on the list, will be looking at him and Hilma AF Klint as in relation to pure abstraction, plus their connections to Theosophy, very interesting stuff
Love your content, TKS for that. Just check everytime you mean to show a picture of Freud, in a that group Photo, you are not focusing on Freud, who's not the central figure
For those who are less informed
@ 10:14 the men seated in the front row are Freud, Hall and Jung from viewer’s left to right.
Thanks, I got that part wrong anyway, not as up on identifying Psychologists as I should be it seems!
@@theartshole311 I am a big fan of your videos. Thank you for making these 🙏👍😄
Glad to hear that, thanks!
I would be proud if one of my paintings was publicly burnt.
Keep up the good work and I’d like to see u do Auguste Rodin 🔥
Thanks! Rodin is on the list
Do a video on Toulouse Lautrec please!
Funny you should say that, I was just looking at some stuff about him the other day, I'll definitely do one on him soon
Great video, how many other channels use 'non-Euclidean' in general conversation?
Great video about an artist whose works I recognise but who I knew little about. I guess you could say the art of Vienna meant nothing to me.
Thanks! Viennese art of this era can be a bit unapproachable I find, it's practically alien to us at times since their culture is so radically different to our own and was itself in a moment of extreme flux. It's a good microcosm of Modernity though, Going to do one more (much quicker!) look at the context of the era to really flesh this aspect out
Yes to kokoscha...unique vision
Great, will be coming soon!
Rodin as a draftsman would be good too
Good idea, need to cover Rodin and his drawings really are something
@ 10:00 ❤ 20:53 ❤
Do u think the change in Schiele's style and subject after his marriage with Edith was some sort of the gentrification project, a balancing venture to retain enough "edge" to be striking and Expressionist, while also not being too provocative as to offend?
Also, I was watching a video, in which the speaker was talking about the portrait of Edith standing straight in the multi-coloured striped dress; and, her interpretation was the vagueness of her features & expression, which sort of recede in the background while the very colourful dress with huge skirt strike out iss Schiele's statement about the materialistic shallowness of bourgeoise society to which Edith belonged. What do u think?
A gentrification project may well be a good way of describing it, he did make his decision to marry based upon real social concerns, Edith and her family were middle class Protestant professionals and as such the marriage would make him much more respectable in the eyes of potential clients. That's an interesting point about the vagueness of her expression, could definitely see it as a condemnation of the bourgeois society she really does represent in a lot of ways. There might be a more personal element to it too though, many of his portraits of Edith can have this disinterested quality. Meanwhile he's also painting pictures of her sister Adele that at times seem much more engaged and there are some rumors of an affair between the two. It's hard to say exactly what the truth of these matters is of course since social repression was the name of the game and none of the parties involved would have discussed these matters openly. Interesting thing I came across in the research, much of our understanding of Schiele's marriage and personal life from around this time comes from the Harms sisters nephew(whose name escapes me at the moment!) who was around them at the time. His info seems to be a major source for Schiele scholars, but it's also one that due to the social climate probably wouldn't give us the full picture too.
Slow down please!!!!!!!!!
Sorry! Always speak to fast, will slow down!
So, as I wait eagerly for your Kokoschka video, here's an added request - could you please look into the Pre-Raphaelites - Burn-Jones, Millais, Waterhouse - and specifically their choice of name for their movement? Is it Pre-Rahaelite because the subject matter is medieval legends? Or is their some technical or stylistic reason which makes their paintings pre Raphael? I get how they are different from Raphael and other High Renaissance painting, but is their any stylistic connection with medieval art? in use of colour or style? or details, arrangement, patterns and ornamentation?
New videos coming soon! I got a bit delayed with some other work but we should be back on track once that's done, new video coming in a week or so(I hope!) Kokoscha's on the way, plus something a little different covering some of the political elements of the Vienna Secession and the cultural battles behind the scenes, but the next one will be on Edvard Munch(needed a little break from Vienna for a bit!) Will definitely take a look at the Pre-Raphaelites too, I think the term comes from the stylistic elements rather than the subjects, they rejected the refined compositions of Raphael that were so popular with the academics for being to conventional and constraining, preferring instead the more vibrant colours and elaborate compositions of artists who came before thier dominance, hence the term Pre- Raphealite. We haven't touched on English art much at all and the Pre-Rapealites are connected to John Ruskin and the arts and crafts movement, both of which I want to discuss at some point so I'll definitely give them a look
@@theartshole311 Very excited about Munch. I only know about The Scream. When I had seen it for the first time my mind was blown at how perfectly he captured the essence of all the emotions that go into a scream!
@@theartshole311 So, at the risk of sounding daft, when u say "artists who came before their dominance", by "their" u mean Raphael & other High Renaissance painters, right? Can you please give me a few names. Coz I looked at Raphael's paintings, especially the Madonnas, and at the Pre-Raphaelites & the stylistic differences are very evident. Triangular composition, depth through linear perspective, symmetry and balance, minimalism in garments or ornamentations in Raphael. Pre Raphaelites use such rich colour, and intricate patterns and ornamentations, and also loooots of minute details fill the canvas, not much interested in vanishing point through linear perspective, and so on. So, I see how they are different from Raphael. But I need some frame of reference for the Pre part, as in what style they were reviving. Was it the medieval religious paintings? Coz those have rich colours and gold, and some symbolic ornamentations, starts, etc. Also there is the mystical element in them. But they don't have any of the fluid poses of the body or the emotion and mood that make the Pre-Raphaelite paintings so mesmerizingly beautiful and sad.
@@theartshole311 Several of Pre-Raphaelite paintings have literary subjects u know. Depicting scenes and interpretations of literary works, especially with Medieval settings, with the flavours of legends and ballads. And D.G. Rossetti, Christiana Rossetti, and William Morris wrote a lot of literature too. Pre-Raphaelite poetry is a topic we cover while doing Victorian Literature in History of Literature paper. So u can understand my added intetest in the Pre-Raphaelites.
Yes sorry, meant that in reference to artists from before the high Renaissance, someone like Sandro Botticelli or Carlo Crivelli might be some good examples of more decorative and detailed works from that period the Pre-raphaelites were looking too
Brill
Egon is amazing. No need to dog Klimt’s artwork though
The physical body is humanity's mortal vessel. It embodies (literally) all that is gross: sweat, gore, saliva, phlegm, puss, excrements; and, it is cursed to invariably become ugly and grotesque, either through age, and sometimes even in youth: teeth decay, hair falls, the skin withers and wrinkles, muscles and breats sag, wounds swell and fester. In terms of impulses and urges - food and sex - the physicality is inescapable; further, both urges have been perceived as excesses and sinful and "animalistic" in culture-religion-morality. The body is the ball and chain that tethers human beings to the earth, and restricts us from becoming beings of pure intellect (or rationality, or spirituality - whatever is in vogue as the "higher ideal"). Yet, the base impulses are what bring great pleasure, and the intellectual, rational self feels trapped in its own body, unable to control it, or escape the thrill and joy of the "base" impulses. This conflict, and this crisis, and the resultant obsession with the body & sexuality is what I see in Schiele's self-portraits and some other nudes. It isn't just that the forms are skeletal and sometimes amputated, even the lines sketching out the contours in black are thick and smudgy. Mostly the bodies are just like the background i.e. the colour of the canvas, blank & lifeless, with some smudged out shading and highlights, producing an overall murky effect visually. The parts that strike out as "bright" are lips, nipples, penis/vagina - body parts that Schiele associates with sexual impulse - and the colour he uses is a "hectic red" (borrowing a phrase from Shelley) which makes nipples and vagina/penis look more like gaping wounds.
P.S. I might be completely wrong. But this obsession with the physicality (and mortality) of the body & the attraction-revulsion regarding sexual impulse - this whole crisis (which can be found in various forms of art and culture of the time) is what came to my mind while looking at Schiele's paintings. Do let me know what u think.
Apologies for the late reply, had a busy week and your comment required a little time to write a proper response! Yes I think you're right about Schiele's work dealing with this crisis of representing the body as it were. To borrow some terms(hopefully without using them too inaccurately!) we might consider Schiele's works to be a more materialist view of the human body as opposed to the idealism with which the figure was usually depicted in traditional academic art. It embraces the "base" urges and gross aspects of being human that the academics and even secessionists like Klimt typically edited out in their pursuit of ,as they saw it, higher ideals. Schiele, in his way, is searching for a new sense of self for the modern era, one that, like Freud would have it, is much more individualistic and driven by our unseen internal desires as well as the fear of death, hence their constant intertwining.
I think this crisis of representing the body for a new era, and encompassing all of these previously repressed aspects of humanity is indeed central to Schiele's work, but I also like the idea that this new sense of self he and others were constructing was itself just that, a construct necessitated by the complexities of the new modern era. The hectic red(great descriptive term) of those gaping wound like nipples and genitals hints at this, that these figures (particularity his self portraits) are in some way hollow. That might be a bit speculative though! Just think it's interesting
@@theartshole311 Agree on both points.
The break away from the idealism is striking & stark. And the idealisation approach (using the term loosely) to depicting the human body goes beyond the academies of the time to Renaissance art and sculpture, to the greeks and romans. Klimt was, what we now would call, redefining "beauty standards", thus deviating from the accepted style, but his depuctions are most definitely glamourised and exoticised. Same for Gauguin's Tahiti women - exotic ideal. Even Corbet's Stone Breakers and Millet's country folk are ideal depictions in their own way. The two pre-expressionist works that come to my mind depicting human figures in very non-ideal terms are Degas's Absinthe Drinker and Van Ghogh's The Potato Eaters. Although both depict human forms in misery due to external factors, whereas Egon Schiele's works depict internal, paychological anguish projected through the body... And this brings me to your 2nd point. It is perhaps because of the essentially constructed nature of Schiele's self portraits, his self-posturing, that makes them seem superficial in comparison to something like Degas' Absinthe Drinker. Speaking absolutely subjectively, in very non technical terms - Schiele's portraits, with the twisted forms & fevered look, are very striking, and dazzling, very magnetic initially; but there is a soft sadness in paintings like the Absinthe Drinker that stays with one longer... I think I'm rambling now ... Schiele's posturing was actually quite literal, as he took multiple photos of himself, literally posing for the camera; photos in which he looked quite the dandy, nothing like the severly tormented or anguished modern man he constructed of himself in his portraits. May be it had to do with the prevalent idea of the artist as outsider to materialistic society, and the myth of the anguished, outcast genius wronged and misunderstood by society. And some self-indulgence and self-aggrandising. That definitely seems to be have been behind his self-projection as monk, martyr, as St Sebastian. Ok, I get it, he did have to spend time in jail, but St Sebastian is a bit of a stretch.
Lol, he certainly did like the amateur dramatics alright, I agree that playing as St Sebastian might be a tad overdoing it. I also get the same impression from many photos of him too, this isn't a modern man as frantic and harrowed as his self portraits would have you believe, he really is more of a dandy playing that role. This isn't to diminish him and his works of course, like Gauguin in Tahiti this kind of play acting seems to be an inherent part of the modern world that those two painters picked up on. I do find that while Schiele's works are unique, memorable and (in their rough awkward manner) at times quite beautiful, they definitely don't contain that same sense of ennui that pieces like the Absinthe Drinker or the Potato eaters do, Schiele seems in some regards far too isolated from such subjects for that kind of thing.
Nice job. I much prefer the aesthetically pleasing Klimt, but he didn't push boundaries like Schiele. Maybe just as well he wasn't still alive when the Nazis took Vienna.
Thank you for this amazing video ! Best on CZcams 🦾
Cheers!
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Schiele's self portrait seems to be a slight parody of his friends grand painting, the kiss. His could be called, making out with my lonely self.🤣😒
Lol, maybe there's a touch of pastiche about them. Practically every artist back then has some variation of "the Kiss", it was a very popular motif
@@theartshole311 oh.
Hi ! could you put subtitles please ? You do talk quite fast and it is hard to follow as a non native speaker
thanks :)
Yes will do! Apologies I do tend to speak quite fast, been uploading subtitles for every video but must have missed this one, will do so as soon as I get a chance
Why is schiele's art is pornography but the naked statues made by famous sculptures are not ?!
Great informative video 👍👍👍👍
Lol, I know bit of a double standard sometimes isn't it.
I think people just didn't like Egon himself, than his art
His mother wasn't supposed to mourn him sufficiently or at all with all that stepping out at brothels. He was probably abusive and gave her syphilis too. He didn't deserve mourning.
I really don’t like the ubiquitous slow pan across the painting. I’m endlessly waiting to see the work as it is meant to be seen. Why does everyone do this? Because everyone else is?
Why do you even mansion G. Klmt!? E. Schiele is an artist and Klimt is just decorative craftsman.
Slow down a bit, dude.
To his credit. He covers a lot of ground. I like his delivery.
Speed up a bit, bro.
Wasn iT more the vulnurablility of a person where exempel if i draw someone i draw their inside energy or how do i explain and i at school of art had a project one draw the other yet my partner assigned was arrested before hè could draw me so i had a new partner to draw for the assignment and the artist teacher asked both works and hè Saïd mind u i did not know why my first subject was arrested but my Darwing Made looking and in the zone so a barely controle what looks how 😮teacher saw n told me i drew his treu self and i was lucky that his OWN mother went to police worried about me iT seemed i drew her too and she loved iT she looked more beautiful but she also Saïd later i drew his treu self could iT be hè couldthat but did not understand because i became better mentally and my art how little i controle the result looks more color
Brilliant and hideous. The art, that is ... !
Freud and theory should not be in the same sentence. Freud's work is not based on observations and converging evidence. Just his wishful thinking.
The one thing Freud was not wrong about was how sex was a strong motivator. But then he put it all on the crazy train. Read Darwin instead! And make sense of behavior with evolutionary theory.
We cooperate because we want the affections of others which is not just sexual (Harry Harlow work on monkeys).
Yeah you're right, a lot of Freud's stuff is pretty much accepted as bullshit these days, but people back then didn't know that, so they pretty much just went with it. it's gonna keep coming up for other artists too, they were all mad for the Freudianism.
@@theartshole311 his contribution was one on one therapy. His motives were to get women alone, but it turns out, it's a good way to make progress. Less social pressure.
Bu adamın basit bir gripten öldüğünü hatırlıyorsunuz değil mi.Bu sadece onu ve ailesini ilgilendiren bir durumdu.
lol u plagiarized a list article by stella polyzoidou on a website called thecollector
Looked up the article, I think I did read that one while doing the research, for this one(it certainly looks familiar) but the info in it is available in a variety of places, was not my intent to plagiarize! When researching I go and read everything I can both online and in various art history books I have on hand but in fairness I'm terrible at keeping track of where it all comes from. I definitely don't want to give the impression that this is original research though, I just read what's available and try to convey it as clearly as I can. I can put a link to that article in the description if you think that would be better and I'll make a better effort to clarify my sources in the future
NARRATORS VOICE SOMEWHAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND....ESPICALLY WHEN HE IS SPEAKING SO FAST .....ARE THERE MARBLES IN HIS MOUTH??????????????? ALL I CAN DO IS LOOK AT THE ART IN CLOSE UP.........
Apologies, no marbles just an accent, will try to be clearer in future!
Stop shouting... And you're rude.
You talk so fast I can even digest of what you are saying !!!
Talk too fast.
The man talks too fast wtf