Inside The Cockpit - J 35J Draken
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- The Saab J35 Draken is a successfully exported Swedish double delta jet fighter. This version here, the J35J was used mainly as a fighter version, having additional pylons for air-to-air missiles and upgraded avionics.
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00:00 - Intro
01:10 - Walkaround
07:45 - Weaponry
10:31 - Cockpit
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Music and Sfx from Epidemic Sound
The Draken *fond Austrian childhood memories sitting in it on Airshows*
My babies!! 😍 I have cared for both #39 and #80. 1994/95 at 2nd Company, F10 Ängelholm
I thought I did see part of the 2nd Company logo in the vid, glad to get it confirmed :)
I was at 3rd in 92/93, really happy I got the opportunity to service these beautiful birds.
@@C64SX To be fair, I am not 100% certain Johan 39 was with us on 2nd, but I know I have readied her
If I am not entirely mistaken, the exhibition pilot - AXE(lsson) - flew 39 and 14, they were kept clean and "clean" (i.e. not any stuff on it, while the others usually had rails and tanks mounted), and 14 was definitely with 3rd.
Draken is such a beautiful aircraft. And it brings back a lot of memories for me. First as a small kid in the 70's, my father was an officer at F10 and I was with him many times at the base so I got to see these planes up close from a very early age. Even during night time training, and seeing these birds take off with full afterburner in the night is just fantastic.
Then when I did my own military service in the early 90's I of course chose to be a flight mechanic at F10, the last air base in Sweden that still had Draken in service. Even though it got a bit repetitive in the long run, doing pretty much the same service routines several times per day, I never grew tired of the aircraft itself.
The sound of the starter engine, then the slow buildup of revs on the turbine, watching them taxi towards the runway and then the takeoff. That part never grew old.
Speaking of the starter engine... filling up fuel for that one was probably one of the least exciting things to do. You had a small barrel of special fuel (isopropyl nitrate) on a hand truck, with a hand pump, and the connector for the hose was not easy to reach. Many times you would get fuel leaking from the connector if you didn't connect it properly in the first go, and the leaking fuel would run down your arm while you were fiddling with the connector.
And during startup, you didn't want to stand downwind from the aircraft. I can't imagine the exhaust fumes from the isopropyl nitrate fuel being very good for your health.... but the smell of it is something you remember with nostalgic fondness many years later :)
Another nice memory I have of that time is when you walked behind one of the hangars, the road was higher up since it was along a slope so you could see down through the top windows just beneath the roof of the hangar. And from that viewpoint, when you saw the Draken from behind and above, you saw it from an angle that really enhanced the beauty of the double delta design.
Tack för att du delar med dig... Själv väntar jag att bli klar med min EASA utbildning sen så blir det förhoppningsvis flyg meck på f16 med gripen.
Have seen the Draken in flight at a number of airshows. There is nothing like it's afterburner for sound and flame. It truly is a remarkable aircraft.
I noticed even as a kid how much more weaponry the Draken carried than other warplanes of the class, and beautiful to boot. It's there with F4 Phantom and our own Tornado in a dead heat for favourite of all time. A very enjoyable video, as always.
Way ahead of it's time , still looks futuristic even today , designed to destroy any intruding Soviet aircraft , with fast turnarounds . As bought by your native Austria , I've seen a Draken in Danish markings fly at an airshow. Thanks for posting
I always loved the Draken when I was young and was always going ape when they were zooming low over my grand mother's town in Sweden during the summer manoeuvres! The best moment was when they were taking off at the airport of Visby at the wonderful island of Gothland, literally shaking the airport. Really cool 😎! Thanks for sharing this very interesting video 👍👍👍
Thanks for posting as always.
Appreciate the work you put in.
Always loved the looks of this aircraft but as a child of the 1970s in Britain the opportunity to see one close up or even flying was slim.
Seen one flying since and it lived up to expectations.
Draken was always my favourite when I got into Aviation many years ago. Great video Chris. The underground aviation museum in Göteborg has one which I've been to visit.. twice!
I heard great things about Aeroseum next to Göteborg, must visit it!
@@MilitaryAviationHistory yea. Its really good visst to get a understanding of how base 90 worked (but I do think the one there is much larger than te common one)
Best looking plane ever!
You can get a brief glimpse of one flying in the forgettable 1990s action film 'Firebirds'.
My mechanics/strength theory teacher in school was the designer (or, really one of few head designers) of the wings. Funny guy and such a good looking plane.
Always liked these SAAB planes, even as a kid. Always seemed like a lot of bang for the buck, especially for such a small nation.
Having exported it to Austria, Denmark and Finland is a solid result for Sweden at the time
Amazing what you can accomplish when you outsource the engine, avionics and weapons
@@jb76489 how small does your ego need to be to be writing that on video efter video...?
@@jb76489 Those outsourced parts weren't free. They still had to pay for them.
@@grizwoldphantasia5005 can you please show me where I said they were free? Cause I can’t seem to find it
In his Book "Rolls Royce Aero Engines" Bill Gunston said the earlier licence-built RM5 (Avon) gave 2% more power than the RR equivalent. This was due to the turbine blades made by the Swedish company having finer tolerances than the RR ones! RR had a lot of respect for Svenska Flygmotor and even used their advanced wind tunnels for engine testing.
I heard that the afterburner was invented by a Swede….
Probably the tidiest cockpit layout I’ve seen in a fighter jet. Thanks for all the excellent videos so far, I’m learning so much 👌
Growing up close to a Draken airbase this aircraft rcalls fond childhood memories. So i have not only seen them on airshows, but two of my favorite memories about the Draken happened on airshows:
1: there was a little light rain shower during the airshow, and there was a cloud ceiling. The austrian QRF pair of Drakens approached relatively low level unnoticed by the crowd (and this was before announcers over speaker for the watching crowd were common) from the right but were going fast.
So suddenly they blitzed from right to left peoples heads turned quick and then they lit up the afterburner pulled up and darted through the clowd ceiling.
Leaving two little holes in the clowd through which we could watch them another few seconds getting smaller.
2: in the year after my conscript service (of which i spent a considerable amount in AAA so in the position of fire control inside the little radar and as gunner on the AA gun) i met a comrade of mine (from AAA times) and the AA radar was on display on the airshow. We hopped in with my 12 year old cousin in the middle and a senior soldier who wanted to explain the thing to us. But before he started to talk, i found a big formation of aircrafts on the radar (they trained me to use it) on the radar and locked on to the leading aircraft, while my buddy operated the identification camera system.
My little cousin was impressed, and the soldier just said something like "i see, you know already..." When the formation was close enough, we hoped outside to watch them.
The formation were 10 austrian Drakens who did a display, ending with a really nice looking 10 aircraft formation burst.
Please do a inside the cockpit of the Saab 105 or the Saab Sk60!
We had a Draken in my aviation mechanics school. Was a cool plane to work on, and it feels so incredibly solid like it's made out of cast iron or something. Couple of our teachers were Draken mechanics with the military back in the day and pretty much said "you're not gonna break this plane by flying it" and I'd have to agree.
Also the tail wheel does serve a purpose beyond just preventing a tail strike, the Draken has tiny little air brakes as you said, so often pilots would slow down by pitching up the plane on its tail wheel to use the entire wing as an air brake.
There are a some simulators in Sweden built with actual 35-cockpits that are available "to take for a spinn for a buck".
The one I have enjoyed a few times by now, can be found in the _flygmuseum_ located at Västerås airport. ! Only open on sundays though !
It is not a big museum, but it does have some interesting displays, beside the simulators (J35, J39-simple, DC10, Airbus, Convair 440, Link Trainer).
It is also basically a living museum as many of the aircrafts on display have flying status. (Not the military jets. Unless you count the Vampires.)
The sexiest jet ever. It is the flying equivalent of a Jaguar E type.
Aw man, Flygvapenmuseum used to have a Draken standing outside which you were free to climb into the cockpit when I was a little kid in the early 90's.
I do remember as a boy seeing Drakens, usually in pairs of two, flying overhead in Denmark 🇩🇰 Beautiful sight to be forgotten like tears in rain when I die.
Nice review.
There's more to it than you covered. I believe there was another comment below that the indicators on the right isn't just for ILS. It also present data sent from GCI with orders and navigational data for target interception. Some information was also presented on the radar scope. Data was transmitted throug a radio based digital data link. Probably one of the first, if not the first, implemented by any air force.
This was an integration to the quite complex (for its time) STRIL 60 system.
You should do a dedicated episode about all this :)
"The integration of the data connection to the Drakens was strictly secret, and the entire system of command information and commands was ingeniously hidden in a number of classic analog devices, so that a casual observer in the Draken cabin could not recognize anything at first glance."
I was woken as a lad by a “Dragon” busting through my bedroom window. That was my short visual interpretation.
In reality it was a low flying exercise that got out of place. The experience of a fighter jet passing over me at slightly under mach, with meters to spare stands out. Kudos to the pilot!
One hint: moving scale indictors were used instead of standard clock-like gauges because they shown not only specific value, but the trend as well in a way easy to interpret to human brain, e. g. not only speed, but also acceleration or deceleration, not only altitude, but also climb, or sink rate.
They were used in many western jets of 1950s/1960s and were replaced by HUD showing similar moving scales later on.
Thanks for the video!
The PS-011 Radar on the J-35F2 and J is a development of the PS-01 and PS-03.
The PS-03 came first on the B and D versions of the Draken.
With the J-35F the Draken integrated the Falcon missile system which led to the PS-01 the radar output power was also quadroupled. (PS-01 comes after PS-03 to make it confusing)
The PS-011 only differs from the PS-01 in that it supports the N71 IRST under the nose (same as on early Phantoms).
The PS-01 got a major update in the early 80's in the Haweé 1 update for the J35F/F2 it increased the ressistance to jamming but a side effect was vastly improved low level performance.
Before this the radar was very vulnerable to deception jamming. This was discovered as Sweden started using ECM agressor aircraft in the early 70's in the form of the J32E Lansen equipped with on board and podded jammers operated by the backseater.
The jamming pods where designed specifically to work against Swedish systems to train both air force pilots and anti aircraft units.
The trainer does not have the tailwheel because they are converted J35A short tail variants.
The J35A used much foreign avionics as domestic production was not ready yet, it had the same radar as the Mirage III for instance.
Draken only carried the RB24 and RB24J Sidewinders not the RB74.
The sidewinder also had less integration into the weapons system than the RB27/28 Falcon.
The Sidewinder could not be slaved to the radar for instance.
The video showing draken no:46 in fligjt is clearly the F35 test aircraft with danish 1500 liter drop tanks.
These tanks where bought back by Sweden and flies on the Gripen to this day (slightly modified)
Thanks!
Guy, thank you so much. Hope you are well, have a good one!
I think the heart and soul of any combat aircraft is the engines. Thanks Chris. Great work as ever m8.
Such a magnificent design. Brilliant work my Swedish cousins!
Cool. ‘60s cool is the COOLEST! 👍👍❤️❤️❤️
It`s great that there are several flying Drakens. If only there was any interest in germany to make a couple F-104`s airworthy. Great Walkaround, thanks!
Hi from the UK. The Draken was my favourite as a boy and is still my favourite today . Great work
The draken is my favourite jet. Thanks for this video, really nice to see.
Pretty sick, well thought out machine.
One of my favorite aircraft, its beautiful wing and miggish spine; an excellent presentation all-round. Thank you!
Draken can be translated to two words, dragon and kite. And in Sweden Draken was refered to "The flying Kite" due to it´s shape. Not dragon.
lol absolute poppycock. and i suppose they named gripen (griffin) after a toy as well? get your head screwed on straight my dude. smarten up!
Yup. I don't know if the "double meaning" was intentional but the tradition was carried forward to the next generation, Viggen, which is very aptly both Thor's lightning strike and a tufted duck - canard.
@@bjornerikroth youre complicating it too much they wanted powerful short names. lansen, draken, viggen, gripen.. and tunnan (the barrel) xD
@@stayhungry1503 Not at all. The flying barrel wasn't something SAAB management liked, so they took the precaution for the following aircraft to name them themselves. The ambiguity was fully deliberate, as the people on the floor coming up with names knew those had to pass the board before approved.
Also note that all Swedish combat aircraft are named in definite form, so The kite/dragon, The thunderbolt/tufted duck, while the other military aircraft are in indefinite form, like SAAB Safir.
There's a beautiful example at Newark Air Museum here in Nottinghamshire, I went to see her last year, lovely machine...
Fun fact about that Draken for ya: in the Area 88 Manga (specifically chapter 25) the base scrounger (old man McCoy) manages to get ahold of one for the main character (Shin Kazama).
It was built using two scrap Finnish J35XS airframes, a junk afterburner acquired in Germany, and an engine acquired from The Netherlands.
Shin's Draken later gets destroyed in a dogfight with a character named "Killer Charlie" who flies an F-4E.
Overall, the Draken is one of my personal favorite aircraft. It is, in my opinion, one of the most futuristic-looking fighter jets to ever exist, despite entering service in the early 1960s (much like the F-104).
Interestingly, in both Finnish and Danish service, the Draken was equipped with countermeasures (albiet a small amount of large charges) and RWR.
From what I remember as well, I think it was either the Finnish Drakens or Danish Drakens that, later in life, used the relatively rare AIM-9P-5 (all-aspect AIM-9J/P with IRCCM, meant for export).
Edit: I believe Finnish Drakens were the only "western bloc/neutral bloc" aircraft to ever use a Soviet missile, that being the R-13M.
The Swedes are an excellent example of how to design a National defence and then procuring what you need to meet that. Okay, we’re ‘neutral’ but who will be the knobheads who will actually attack us? Well, that’s the Russians so…
Brilliant people and kudos for clear minded defence policy. 👍👍
Well, the defence was good in the 60,s and 70,s but in 80,s it started to go to hell! How i know?
That’s awesome! I think Draken is my favourite of the Saab fighters.
Same here, I’ve seen her fly on numerous occasions and she leaves a lasting impression every time.
I’ve wanted one for many years, in Matt black, oh well, a man can dream 😆 🤝
Nice to see another Swedish fave of mine, the R21 here ❤️🏆🥇
This thing is a bit of timeless perfection.....despite the ergonomics perhaps! When something looks good and IS good it is exciting.
Nice Video again. Thx
I was just fortunate to see an austrian version today in speyer, germany - it was a true surprise. And it is just like that. It just steals the show. You put anything next to it, mirage, migs, f15s, f4s, it looks so sleek aestatically and much more modern. Incredible, and a much more deserved to be known machine. The insanity is- Its a 49' to early 50s design. Just few years after ww2 this is such a radical revolution. I can only tell, get to see one!
I remember seeing Draken formations over my childhood home. My dads best friend, now over 80, were a Swedish fighter pilot and told for a kid (and likely my grown up self) very exciting tales over our dinner table.
Sweden - schweet! Exclusive access to the 'awesome' hanger. For parachute slowing, for those of us who saw those in use with F-4 Phantom, I salute you! Seriously, Draken cockpit fairly sparse in terms of switches, knobs, and so forth. And the indicators, very clean!
This is such a beautiful aircraft...!!!
They say "If it looks good, it flies good". This plane must fly fantastic... (which, i understand, it really did)
Swedish aircrafts looks so badass ! Love it.
Always a favourite of mine when I grew up, solidified by one of the first airshows I went to as a child in the 80's, were two of them made a tree top level sonic boom over the airfield =)
its got a very cool look
Back in the 70's, as a 2-3 year boy, I vividly remember all my father's plane models hanging underneath the ceiling of my bedroom. One of the planes, in the far corner of the room, looked absolutely terrifying. It looked like a cross between dragon and a spaceship and was casting scary shadows on walls and ceiling at night, making me cry under the duvet. Father told me it was SAAB, and years later I learned it was J35 Draken.
So many iconic aircraft in that building
The Draken in War Thunder:
"Where are my flares Gaijin?"
Coolest jet ever! Thanks
Thank you. Good to see the evidence that, like everyone else, the Swedes can get things very wrong i.e., with the instrument
layout. Part of the attraction of this channel is the inherent honesty.
Im such a slouch. Ive lived in Linköping all my life, interested in aviation, even interned at SAAB during Gripen deveopment, and still havent visited the museum.
That plane is from F10 in Ängelholm and i was doing my lumpen and remember that plane. I was a flight mechanic in 1998. Great memories.:)
Called also the flying iron. I still remember that huge afterburner sound.
I always wonder what exactly would be shown in these vintage HUD's. With that radar light cover in your face, and weird speedo, it would have been nice to see the speed in the hud. :)
Maybe im remembering it wrongly but wasnt those two rectangular instruments for the Stril 60 system (Datalink Gen1) ?.
Atleast i think ive heard that and the reason was that they were easy to camofluage as old style instruments for non aligned eyes so to speaj.
Fantastic fighter that was way ahead of the competition in the 60s.
Wow that cockpit looks like a disaster. No one would buy a car if the dashboard and instruments looked like that so why do they think that unergonomic layouts and shoddy construction is acceptable in an airplane? Where is the infotainment system, heated leather seats and premium finishes that we expect from a vehicle of that price range?
You had me in the first half. Well done
You should visit Denmark and take a look on the F-35 version that was a ground attack version with nato standard equipment.
There are a great museum just outside Copenhagen with 2 drakens, t-33, f16 and soon a f100 super saber
Off topic, but this is the newest video... If you come to the US, you need to see the SAC museum in Nebraska... They are friendlier than most about seeing the insides (I got a tour of their B1A and Vulcan). It is mostly a bomber museum so you might get to see things you don't normally get to crawl around in.
Wow, antenna tuning control!
My favourite Airfix model. Ah yes...
Saab on balance made the best looking stuff out there.
Lovely plane :)
I will never forget a fly by at an air show in the 80s. The most ear shattering thing I have ever experienced. If the bombs and bullets didn’t scare the enemy off, the sound would 😬
I always think the Draken was a very Thunderbirds looking aircraft.
What is that fin under the wing that you can glimpse at 7:16? I don't see it on pictures of the single seater, possibly additional vertical stabilizers to compensate for the larger cockpit side area?
This fin is only available on the 2-seat variant on each side.
So what you write is correct.
Awesome beast, been at raf Finningley all the 70s 80s hearing 👂 this monsters 👹 😅🤟💯⚡⚡🙏
hey nabour we have a flight museom outhere in jylland denmark also one draken f16 starfighter f104 and so on
Do you know if the j35 has a heads up display or just a gunsight?
Love that Bird!
Translation of warning signs:
"FARA" = Danger
"TUNG LUCKA" = Heavy hatch
"KLÄMSKADA" = Crush injury
"KRUT" = Gunpowder
Thank you for this excellent Video. One point, if I may. The Draken did not have a Heads up Display. Too many contemporary aviation historians think that anything with glass mounted on top of the. instrument coaming is a HUD. This is incorrect because a HUD only belongs to a certain period of aviation history. Here is why I say that. It had a gunsight, I may be incorrect but the optical gunsight on the Draken and its peers only had a gyron gunsight reticle that did not display airspeed, Altitude and heading. Even an early Mirage III had a rudimentary head up Display that showed heading In my terminology, A HUD, like the F-14, F-15, Viggen, Harrier, Jaguar etc, had heads-up Displays, some were simple, and some were complex. So, in summary, a Heads UP Display has more than just lead computing, radar ranged reticle for guns or air-to-ground weapons.
Firstly, thank you Chris for your effort to study the aircraft you are presenting, professional approach again!
Michael, you are absolutely correct on your comment . There really was no HUD- display available in the Dragon (at least here in Finland). The sight was a conventional gyro "gizmo" in there! To further highlight the outstanding design of the Draken, it was truly built with the pilot in mind , very good layout for all the instruments and other vital components inside. Something important usually bypassed was the comfortable position for the pilot. One could stay onboard for extended times ( standby alert) and not getting exhausted. The inclined setback was good for the pilot.
One very small detail in the presentation, on the control column the switches were contrariwise; the one rectangular switch on the left was for the autopilot on/ off and the one behind the stick (at an angle) was the radio tangent. All in all, enjoyed the fighter enormously.
Is that Gannet tail fin Chris?
Could we also visit the museum and have this kind of treat
in WT the radar points down for some reason. Glad to see it wasnt this way in real life, although the shroud probably suggests that the radar screen would be hard to see in daylight.
Additionally, are there no draken variants without the sunroof visor?
I also have another question, does GA in sweden/finland/denmark use kph or knots?
Before the NATO-integration began with PFP, the metric system as used through out. Today, "freedom units" are used in aviation for compatibility.
Not sure exactly when the Danes went over though.
Draken my beloved
Do you know when the renovations will be completed ?
Wow, that seat looks more reclined than even the F-16! Do you know what the angle is?
So how is the IR search and track controled and displayed?
Little known fact about the Draken development; there was a bunch of german speaking aviation engineers working for SAAB with the Draken project as well as the Tunnan project.. I guess the where available after 1945...
SAAB J35 Draken or McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom the best looking crafts of that age !
"Earliish cold war fighter" Austrian government: This will be our fighter for the 90s and 2000nds!
Each time I see a Draken flying, I always remember Klingons from Star Trek 😅
What is the twin engine propeller plane in the first 0:03 of the video?
Saab B18
Might be a T18 aswell
Nice review, but as a couple of others noted - you totally missed the data link in there. It was a secret for a long time, but the secret is out nowadays. Way ahead of its time in many ways. I think I noticed some small errors between the labels on some things and what you named them, but in general, this was very enjoyable. Thanks a lot. But research a bit more next time. ;)
Oh, yeah. The four hardpoints are there already on the D version. The J version actually got two more hardpoints (for a total of 6), but those extra two can be installed/removed at will, and it seems they were not there on the machine you looked at. They sit fairly close to/under the air intakes.
A terrible accident with the Dragon once happened when it was lined up in the service bay and a technician was going to make a final check that the guns were secured and did what he thought was a correct blank fire. At the same moment, two other technicians passed in front of the plane, conversing. A shot went off and hit that one technician square in the head who literally flew off in a split second. Naturally, everyone involved was badly shocked. The other technician was my supervisor during the training and told the story.
my favorite plane
Can we get 4K? Awesome video anyways :)
Cool looking aircraft, why did they remove the 2nd 30mm cannon though? Seems an odd decision to make on a plane designed for air-to-air work
They needed the space for electronics when they started building the J35F model...
There is an original me 262 in the canberra war museum.
Of course !
You missed the slightly funny swith "remember the landing gear" 😮 Was listening in one night when one unlucky (tured) guy forgot and slipped all the way into the wood
It seems that many Saab fighters has no indicator for vertical speed.
Any idea why?
Strange cockpit with that big ass radar viewing... thing!
I have been in Draken cockpits twice. once in a complete aircraft and one cockpit that had been turned into a flight simulator
See, that´s the difference. Sweden conserves this great figthers in a museum. Here in Austria, we concreted one in aroundabout. That´s our hatelove for that plane. Not my hate. Well it was outdated when we got it, the Vigen was already available.
Chris, I think you've just created a new drinking game. Take a shot every time you say 'ofcourse' during this video😅