RJ and JJ Fire Back at People Blaming Rudy Gobert for Jokic's Performance
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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2024
- In this clip, JJ Redick and Richard Jefferson talk about Nikola Jokic and the Denver Nuggets Game 5 win against Rudy Gobert, Anthony Edwards and the Minnesota Timberwolves and why people are blaming Rudy for the loss.
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They even shut down Jamal, and joker still bring it home
The fake news media to blame. Ant a fraud and Wolves were never title contenders. Stop giving these poor souls hope when they never had a chance.
The blame should go to shaq, seem like after he confronted him about the mvp he took it personally like Jordan from what I've seen.
More seriously, dumb fans and commentators seeking hot takes speak in zero sum games. But the simple fact is the Nugs are a better TEAM. The Wolves are young. I trust Ant will learn because Ant does and is already mature beyond his years. This summer he will be figuring out how to break double teams and learn how to better play team defense in addition to man defense. (He was ball watching at times, costing fast break points.)
People are crazy to think that Gobert is playing poorly and I am a Nuggs fan. The matter of fact is nobody can stop Joker. Yes, one can slow him down sometimes, as evident by those first 2 games, but you cant stop him. For some reason, people assume that DPOY means a complete shutdown. Stop it. Gobert did everything he could but great offense beats great defense all the time.
There was that one hook shot where the only thing Rudy didn’t do was block the shot and it went in. Shit’s ridiculous
Facts 👍🏾
you're so dumb. a nugs fan would say gobert is playing the best he has ever played. When he's not. He used to average 16 and 15 with 3 blocks about 8 years ago. Gorbet is old and isn't a good player at all. he's slow now. Naz Reed shut down jokic in the first two games. t pups coach just can't coach at all.
He gets EXPOSED EVERY PLAYOFFS!
Rudy is trash.
This is just Draymond Green hating on Rudy Gobert, his is always taking shots at Rudy, and making fun of him. No one can stop Jokic.
Draymond jealous of those DPOY awards 100
Draymond couldn`t stop him either. It took Jokic two games to figure Draymond`s out D out..
you know when an NBA player is an espn analyst by week 1 of the playoffs- and is throwing shade it shouldnt be taken seriously. Why? because they aren't there themselves. (Jimmy Butler this Offseason)
@@hearthstoned8528It’s kind of the problem with “new media” in general. Same with Patt Bev. Too much score settling in their media content. You have to leave those grudges on the floor if you’re going to be a professional.
Wemby blocked him about 15 times in three games this season
100% correct. We are making this way too much about Gobert, and not enough about Jokic
Umm… no . Yes the hate is too much but gobert is completely lost on defense. AD did a much better job on jokic. Jokic “wanted” gobert to guard him . Yikes!!!
@@newlife6265 so did KAT. Gobert can’t guard true strong centers against them he’s limited to being an elite help defender
Gobert sucks. He his not DPOY. Kat guards Joker better
@@newlife6265Big surprise, when Goberts task isn’t to block of drivers and raise his arms straight up, and instead is to body up a superstar and make them uncomfortable, he’s pedestrian at best
@@newlife626528 pts 16 boards 10 ast on 59% shooting yea A.D did a way better job on joker 😂
The people who bash rudy are the people who hate jokic and so blame rudy not praise jokic’s greatness
Preach bro💯
🎯
Jokic fan, and Rudy is a great defender against basically every other player/team out there. Rudy talked too much trash to a young Nikola, and Nikola never forgets to repay those words.
I somewhat agree because there is some of that, but people just love to make Rudy a punchline.
Nope. Jokic is a generational player. Gobert IS OVERRATED. He DOES NOT PLAY WELL against ANYONE. I EXPECTED Jokic to average 35+ and was surprised he didn't but now he's woken up and will have his way. Gobert is simply OVERRATED. I've watched him ALL SEASON, he CANNOT defend a single big in iso FACTS 💯. This has NOTHING to do w Jokic's singular and undeniable greatness. Two things can be true at once: Jokic - generational, Gobert - overrated AF
Jokic is just the best player in the world you can’t stop him that simple
You obviously have never seen my Church League basketball mixtape. 😂
@@christopherbowers1060 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Facts
Like How Shaq dominated Dikembe Mutombo in the finals
@@Thesquirtlegamertalking about when shaq was elbowing a 35 year old mutombo?
the people criticizing Gobert seemed to forget he was also putting up points and keeping the nuggs lead in check at times where everyone was missing wide-open 3s
That is absolutely right. People are just crazy blaming Rudy Gobert. Man Joker is a big man with different array of shots. Murry just called it crazy shots. Jokic is just intelligent and creative in making those shots.
Indeed, Gobert was -2. People just love to look for a scapegoat
He let jokic shot 90% when he was on him lol.
And yet he's proven why he's doesn't deserve DPOY one damn bit
As a Wolves fan, thank you for this. It is crazy how many people are pointing all the blame at Rudy now. The Nuggets are the defending champs and with 3x MVP Yokic (should be 4x imo). Nuggets are all hitting shots at a crazy high clip. They say you gotta weather the storm but I am just glad my team is here in meaningful basketball. Hopefully the Wolves can step up and extend this series.
Great answer as a wolves fan
@ryansailer2637Gobert was literally their best player yesterday wtf are you talking about 😂
He gets targeted every playoffs. What DPOY gets targeted on DEFENSE. Same thing happened on the Jazz
@@chasehase7037they don’t wanna acknowledge that bro
@@chasehase7037 It's just not fair to bring the Jazz up into that conversation, the absolute lack of perimeter defense in that team is the reason why Gobert was targeted.
Every great bigman defenders (except for some freaks like Giannis or Hakeem) were targeted by guards and forwards on the perimeter.
Shaq did to Mutombo in 2001 Finals what Jokic is doing to Rudy now. His dominance not even a Dpoy can handle. Its not a detriment to the Dpoy. Its a statement of how great Jokic is.
It really shows that Rudy is a much better as a help defender than straight man up defender.
Jokić nowhere near Shaqs physical dominance that's the point
Its not people. It was Draymond. He literally had this man in a chokehold a few months ago and yet he has the luxury of bashing him on tv saying he was embarrassed.
he's saying the truth. With Jokic you have to rough him up and play physical. you can't let him gain position anywhere. infact foul hard sometimes and it affects Jokic. That works with everyone except, Jordan, Dirk, Hakeem and Shaq.
@@JimBrave-ri1ocfouling isn’t playing defense
People say Wemby should win DPOY over Gobert but y’all don’t give that same energy to Wemby and Wemby gets cooked by these same centers too.
Embiid scored 70 on Wemby, Jokic had a season high 42 on Wemby and Sengun had a career high 45 on Wemby
@@anthonycelestin3559stop talking bs and start watching games ;-)
Time to grow up
Nothing how what you writted happened in Real life 😭
@@SebfsTolosa Embiid scoring 70 on Wemby was imaginary and it came out of thin air 😂. Y’all dudes hate Rudy so much, you can’t even be objective
Rudy is an all-time great defender. Stone cold elite. He just ran into possibly the greatest offensive player ever, having an awesome game, in an era where the rules are stacked towards offense.
Sometimes you just have to tip your cap.
Lol, Big Ben never had the trouble in guarding offensive geniuses in his time, so rudy having the same DPOY as him IS A CRIME!
@@carl4243 The only offensive genius center that Big Ben majorly overlapped with was Shaq, who averaged 25/10 against him. So not sure about that.
@@carl4243 Jokic would annihilate Ben Wallace. Wallace wouldn't have the size or length to guard him. Shaq at 33 put up 21.7 and 11 on 66% shooting against prime Wallace lol
@@JohnnyVille21 so you just gonna ignore 2004 finals with prime kobe and shaq that got 4-1?
@@claydouglas2526 so that 4-1 in finals against shaq doesn't exist?
Bro Rudy was getting up GOOD contests, with his hands up at probably 10+ft high, on so many of Joker's shots. Joker just decided that he would release from behind his head on a crazy arc that touched heaven before splashing down perfectly in the dead center of the basket. You'd have to be 15ft tall to disrupt those shots!
Gobert has been playing great defense, nobody is stopping Joker when he's playing like this. All you can do after a performance like last night is give the man his flowers and appreciate greatness.
Yeah it is called Un-orthodox shot. Simply high IQ for the Joker since he knows Gobert is an elite shot blocker. Damn the high arching shot is really frustrating for a defender.
He was not getting any hands up wtf are you watching
@@MrDiMES123 MrDimes is blind apparently.
A center that can pass is much dangerous than a point guard that can shoot.
Jokic can shoot the 3 aswell
A guard that cant shoot is useless... This isn't 1970.
@@gringoboy701*1990s
No🤣
@@gringoboy701 Guards could always hoot wtf Jerry West is the logo. His whole game was shooting.
Bro Rudy was playing great defense he was glued to him the whole time. Jokic offense is just better.
yep he is the first player ive seen make Jokic get in his bag. Usually its just simple and easy
@@Shortballa11
exactly, ive never seen jokic exert so much effort into making his shot. bro even had to be extra physical.
Its not just shot. Jokic went to do 3 crazy pass in 3rd quarter where gobert successfully disrupted the play. Gobert was effective. Jokic just went into hurricane 5 performance.🎉🎉
No he was not ! He doesn’t even put a hand up or box out on post ups
He was not glued to him at all times. It's not all Rudy's fault. But the coach didn't properly adjust, playing one one one, bitting on pump fakes and pivots. He's gunna get his assets regardless of double teams or not. But I didn't see Rudy necessarily take away anything. And there were times in the last 2 games that I seen the wolves try to front him, and that's a coaching problem not a Rudy problem. Rude tried, but he wasn't glued all game. And alot of that is coaching fault and lack or rotations defense.
I've never been a Jokic fan, but I can't lie. That offensive display yesterday was pretty effin impressive lol.
Good offense will always beat good defense. It's as simple as that. Basketball isn't a sport like NFL or football (or soccer like the Yanks call it) that is low-scoring and can reward defense. A great offensive player like Jokic will have his way with a great defensive player anytime, particularly when he's feeling it (like he was yesterday).
Watching Draymond on TNT mocking Gobert was embarrassing. Jokic essentially had no help in 2022 and still put up elite numbers against Draymond and Golden State. This version of Jokic with Murray and MPJ healthy would absolutely cook him; I mean they've basically done that for the past two seasons.
Since 2022 - 2024 regular season nuggets beat warriors 7 straight games with 7 - 0 records 😅
Draymond has played a huge role in making anti-Gobert takes popular. Most of his comments on inside the nba were about Rudy. I wish more people realized he’s got personal beef with the guy and isn’t saying anything insightful
@@hasanthafih8872 But I bet the Donkey won't remember that....
Great player but just an awful human. I really hope he doesn't become a big media personality when he retires. I hate seeing him on screen.
@@brianduru3753 I wouldn't even say great player. Just a very good role player who benefitted from riding the coattails of Steph and Klay.
@@spencersandberg7753 Because Rudy keeps getting exposed. What’s the problem ? lol
It's fun watching JJ and RY talking and poking to each other with the little facial expression!!
I watched Gobert defending Jokic last night multiple times thru many clips with on different people's video, Gobert is on Jokic's shot almost at every single one but Jokic was just able to put the ball in from different angles and different position and different ways!!!
NO ONE or NO TWO ONEs literally can stop Jokic the last two years!!
Gobert played the best defense he could, Jokic is just simply the best offensive center we have ever seen
Kareem, Shaq, Wilt. Let's chill out for a second. But he up there.
He is the most complete but he is not the best offensive center.
@@Shortballa11 You beat me to it lol...Perfect example of a comment that initially made perfect sense till it didn't.
Uhm, no, if you have the same DPOY as Big Ben and Motumbo, there are no excuses, as those two guys blocked and locked down the best offensive players in the leagues history.
@@Shortballa11 Offensive, not just scoring. Kareem, Wilt, nor Shaq were close to the passer that Jokic is.
Jokic can give you 35 and dish out 11 assists in addition to the hockey type of assists. You can dominate the game on the offense without having to drop 40+, which Jokic also can.
As someone who grew up playing in the post, i marvel at Joker's touch. His control of the ball is abaurd. I have never seen anyone with so much finesse. And yet he is as strong as a horse. Hats off to the MVP.
Tim Duncan
Please show me the defensive player that stops Jokic. He has lit-up every big in front of him. Gobert is an elite defender. Davis, when heathly, is an elite defender. He has cooked them both. I don't get the point of dumping on someone who can't do what literally no one can do.
He didn't drop 40 on AD this postseason. Look at the stats vs Rudy and vs AD
@@irlshinigami4390 And? He didn’t have to, because the situation didn’t call for it. Murray had it going, MPJ had it going; Jokic is a pass-first player, he’s going to get his guys going before scoring himself. And it also just so happens that MN’s entire gameplan is to shut down his teammates and let him score, so Jokic did exactly that.
Deandre Ayton in 2021
AD played great defense on Jokic
@@irlshinigami4390he literally averaged a 30 triple double
It is amazing when really knowledgeable basketball people are as amazed at Nikola's moves as we are. He is astoundingly fun to watch.
Watching that game 5 and the performance Jokic put on display was mesmerizing,post moves and passing are elite,he's the best in the league and should be a 4 time MVP.
Thank you guys. Finally some peoples knowing ball
The game was awesome to watch. The defense was a pleasure to watch. Both teams were well coaches, great oødefensove teams working hard!
Loved watching it.
THANK YOU! I have been fuming!
I’m sorry but swearing isn’t as bad a betting money on Draft Kings. Draft “kings” literally ruins peoples lives
Jokic was insane in that game. The post moves left two 7 footers in the dust. He is able to simply outsmart them all.
Jokic was making exceptionally difficult shots. You can't fault Rudy for an NBA MVP having a great night.
Thank you
Afunkydiabetic on YT said it best. If being able to stop Jokić is the threshold for being a great defender, then every player in the league should just give up because here’s the list of players who can defend Jokić in the post:
Deandre Ayton in 2021 and Dwight in 2020
@@Thanosdidtherighthingthat wasn’t a prime Jokic in 2020 and in 2021 that wasn’t 1 on 1 Jokic was the only threat that year.
I guarantee Dwight Howard isn’t stopping Jokic rn
@@Thanosdidtherighthingjokic averaged 25 pts against the suns 2021and 22 against the lakers in 2020 after b2b 7 game series and one game with 16 points and one game scoring 21 in 25 minutes, dwight had one good game against jokic and foul trouble in the other 4, so all in all howards performance is highly overrated
@@beli722 He shot below 50% that suns series
@@ThanosdidtherighthingSi porque todo el equipo rival defendía sólo a Jokic.
Murray lesionado y Gordon no estaba. Hablas de Jokic como si solo fuera un anotador, ese talvez sea Davis, Jokic es uno de los o el mejor pasador de la liga, y con buenos compañeros y su visión del juego además de su capacidad anotadora eso lo hace imposible de defender.
Eso es lo que no entiendes amigito.
I'd argue Jeffersons take about Embiid being the best C scorer in the league. Compared to Jokic, he is just the C who takes the most shots and gets the most ft's per game. If Jokic wanted to average 30pts per game, he could easily do so and I'm not sure why it is hard for some of these ex players to acknowledge that.
averaging 30 and the abilty to score 70 is not the same thing
I think most people get that, but it's Embiid's role to be a primary scorer while Jokic has a more versatile game. Jokic could potentially be the best scoring center if he took more shots, but he won't. It reminds me of the Durant/Lebron comparisons from around 8 years ago, where Lebron could potentially be the best scorer, but Durant was titled the best, since his teams required him to carry more offensive load and he came out with the scoring titles.
@@markeeculver2040 against the Spurs, the 5th worst team in the league Embiid went off at home?
And remember he got hurt right after that because it isn't sustainable. You can have that 70 point game, I'd rather have titles and consistency from Jokic.
@@bc8814 Exactly. Jok is doing way more things on the court, scoring is not the most important. But that fact alone, should not devalue his ability to score. Perhaps I have misunderstood Jefferson, but sounded to me that he mentions Embiid as the most "prolific" scorer, at their respective position, which, in my opinion, is not the case. He is a higher volume shot taker, which enables him to score more points. If you compare their percentages it becomes more clear what I'm talking about (or it doesn't). 😅
No one is saying Jokic couldn't average 30ppg but he doesn't. You think it'd be fair to say Embiid could be the best passing big in the league if he decided to do so more?
3:39 Exactly. JJ could not have said this more perfectly. Did you see those moves/shots? It’s like playing against the CPU in NBA 2K with the opponents sliders set all the way to 100
I dont think Rudy was the main reason they couldnt guard Jokic obviously, but he, as well as his other teammates could have played better defense for sure. What about icing screens? What about shot clock awareness? What about not gambling? Obviously theres no stopping him but those are preventable mistakes
Need Joker on the pod
I think there’s a bigger chance jj gets some of his racehorses on the pod
Jokic would never speak in public if he didnt have to.
Jokic is just a fundamental monster, I've never seen a craftier big. Dude proves to me that old schoolers like Mikan could've absolutely played today.
Laimbeer was Crafty but more for Defense. He had some unorthodoxed post play though.
@@JimBrave-ri1oc F that butcher
Let’s not get carried away with George Mikan. He was a legend for his time but he was taller than everyone
Love RJ on the team ! Great convo always
i was thinking that embiid can give jokic a challenge but the problem is he don't want to show up in denver 😂
All these guys hating on Gobert but fail to to mention that Jokic he cooks on everyone who's on him they act like Rudy is the only one that gets to eat. He done served Draymond, AD, Adebayo, just to name a few and I guarantee you if Perkins was in the league in his prime defense season he had with Boston he would have gotten cooked over and over and over as well.
Rudy is not a great primary defender. He's great at being a help defender. Nobody can really guard Jokic but i think Wemby plays him better then Rudy does
Jokic struggles vs bigs that can move faster and still block… embiid , porzingis & wemby. Even AD made jokic work Rudy doesn’t even contest he submits like a French man
LOVE THIS!
Rudy has historically never been able to stop Jokic. Watching this game tonight, there were several of those post moves especially the triple twists then goes right with the English high off the glass, that I was like damn that ain’t dropping but it did.
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Rudy is a really good defender, but Jokic is an all timer. Rudy also gives little to nothing on offense so it's hard for most people to think of him as a positive if he isn't anchoring their defense.
Spot on.
But he scored pretty well yesterday.
He is useless out there
This is good analysis. Lot of other shows (and I actually did a little survey) took the easy "negative soundbite" route. Mostly people who had dismissed Jokics' effort early in the series without crediting Gobert at all. Game 5 showed Gobert putting out two games worth of defense on Jokic...AND JOKIC OVERCAME IT!
That's the game 5 story, and these guys nailed it.
I remember the first thought I had after the game 2 win was wow they better win when Rudy comes back or it's going to be rough for him...didn't expect them to lose so decisively though
As a blazer fan, I've watched Jusuf Nurkic dominate Gobert in the post for almost a decade now. It's not just Jokic, Gobert can't defend real centers. His entire DPOY case is based on his ability to help on defense, but he can't guard 1v1.
I said the same thing when Embiid dropped 70 on Wemby.
Sometimes the best players in the world are not stoppable.
With Embiid and Jokic, on a good night you can't really even slow them down.
Excepted that that never happened 😅
Embiid never scored 70 on Wemby, he did it on Collins 😊 (with ~17 against Wemby) 🤯
@@SebfsTolosa I stand corrected. My point stays the same, though 😎
No matter who defends Jokic he just finds a way to score. that is a Sign of. Great Player
I would say the Wolves just didn't look like themselves for some other reason.
Ayton: Now, you all know what I went through last year...
we are never allowed to blame any player for their performance ever, no matter how poorly they may play on a given day we must only say good things. if we hold someone accountable for their own performance then we clearly dont understand basketball!
It is the complete opposite. You look for reasons everytime somebody plays well. Its always the other team not playing good or defending well. Explain to me what you wanted Gobert to do. There is not a man ever that could have defended those shots better. He made him go to counters and shots that were nearly impossible. I can tell how clueless a person is on nba takes when they talk about gobert. It must be xenophobia at this point
JJ lookin blazed af this episode
If I remember correctly Dikembe Mutumbo won the DPOY in 2001 and he was still thoroughly dominated by Shaq in those finals…it’s just what happens when you’re playing the best offensive players.
Gobert struggles to guard dominant scoring bigs. There’s just not many in the league now so it doesn’t happen often. Since 2021 playing against Gobert, this is what these bigs/inside players have averaged against him.
AD: 36.4 PPG
Embid: 36.2 PPG
Jokic: 30.1 PPG
Giannis: 29.6 PPG
Nobody can stop a big who can score. Giannis is a big who moves like a guard. Jokic is a big who passes like Lebron. AD is a big who can shoot and move his feet. Embiid is a big who spends the entire game on the ground or at the line.
Nobody can stop that.
@@lilb1190 not about stopping, no elite player in the NBA will ever be stopped, but definitely need to slow them down if you are titled as the best defensive player in the league
how has Draymond fared against those same 4 since 2021?
@@TakedaMauro here’s since 2021 and mind you this is when Draymond started dropping off and getting older, slower, out of shape etc.
AD: 20.4 ppg
Embiid: 28.4 ppg
Jokic: 25.4 ppg
Giannis: 27.6
So still better than Gobert against all 4
@@dlo11794 Because to beat the Warriors, those 4 guys do not really need to score or play hard.
My only pushback is that this actually shows why wemby is the best defender in the world. Gobert is an awesome interior defender, but wemby is elite defensively everywhere. This is not a knock on gobert, but wemby should’ve won DPOY and the only reason he didn’t is because he’s a rookie
Facts. You know basketball fr.
The problem with rudy is if he cant be a factor defensively and adleast slowdown the other player hes guarding you have to sit him because he hurts you offensively and slows you down it's like you're playing 4 on 5 Minnesota showed they can play well and win without him vs Denver
My analysis is 2 good teams going at it in a competitive way. Both teams are stacked with great players. The playoffs have been good this year
People are clowning Gobert because he's supposed to be the 4-time DPOY. I'm not advocating for Rudy laying Jok, but you gotta make your presence be felt, where's your pride?
How hasn't he made his presence felt?
@@ToumapassarZEZOCA hear me out. Rudy is much less talented than Jokic, but he's a big body. Put that to use on Jok and show some real effort, even if that means getting a technical. Again, I ain't saying he's gotta clock him or hurt him in any way, just be more physical. That's Rudy's best bet to slow him down.
@@ToumapassarZEZOCAlol no he hasn’t! Joker is attacking him 1on1 like it’s a mismatch 😂. Gobert isn’t good bruh !
Exactly. For all the amazing defenders we have in the league, this is the guy with 4? Jokic was hunting him on offense last night. Like flatout not even looking for mismatches
@stefanoroberti if Gobert gets himself in foul trouble, the Wolves' defence disappears. If they want to have any hope of beating Denver, Gobert has to be on the court
I get it. Jokić is the best in the world and he can likely do that to anyone. It’s just that it’s hard to hear that when you talk about a player who won the DPOY 4x. People just don’t want to hear that Jokić can do it to anyone because it’s Rudy Gobert and people has been questioning 1 or 2 of his DPOYs for some time now. Imo that’s the reason why some people are cooking him.
Yea gobert is an amazing rim protector but I was really unimpressed with his rebounding effort, and he did get bbqd by Jokic
I like that this clip starts with “when we talk about control and command…RJ” was Jefferson unsure Reddick was speaking to him? Was that branding?
He lit about Raymond for 32 16 & 16
I agree Jokic can't be stopped but when you are a 4 time DPOY better suited than anybody in the league to bother Jokic prototypes, you should be able to at least slow him down somewhat. I just don't think he is worth 4 DPOY's. AD and Bam are much more versatile defensively. But again, would they have done a better job on Jokic? The answer is no. Naz Reid playing 20 mins when KAT and Gobert are playing 35 - 40 mins is where I question Wolves coaching staffs.
Totally agree
Amigito. ¿Cuándo en la historia de la NBA viste a un Prototipo de jugador como Jokic?.
¿Cuando viste a un Pivot, con visión de juego y que sea mejor pasador que cualquier base en la liga. Midiendo 2,11cm, pesando 120kg, y promediando casi 30ppg, 12rpg, y 10apg, con capacidad para anotar todos sus tiros libres y además lanzar triples?
¿Dime cuándo en la historia de la NBA has visto un prototipo de jugador así?
@@alexisdetzel3360 idk Sabonis?
@@pr1metime. Es bueno.Si.
Pero promedia la mitad de asistencias que Jokic, la mitad en puntos, no tiene ni el 25% de los Recursos y habilidades de Jokic, tampoco es dominante físicamente como Jokic.
Jokic a cambiado el juego como Curry en su momento, todos tratan de ser pivot e imitar el juego de Jokic, todos tratan de tirar de 3, todos tratan de ser pasadores como un Base, ahora todos tratan de imitar a Jokic ( Embid, Giannis, Sabonis, Banchero, Sengun,etc).
Jokic es un jugador generacional como Lebron o Curry y como ellos es imparable. Solo que los estadounidenses no lo quieren aceptarlo porque estaban acostumbrados a sus jugadores de "prototipo" Lindos, atlético y musculosos como con Curry, Edwards, Lebron, KW, Tatum, Koby, Book o Mitchell.
Y no les gusta que un tipo Serbio, extranjero, poco Atlético y que les parece con Sobrepeso sea quien domine totalmente su liga.
Por eso la mayoría de las ex estrellas de la NBA desprecian y subestiman a Jokic.
I agree, they'd fare better the rest of the way starting Naz, and bringing Towns off the beach when Jokic is out taking rest.
Dwight Howard won 3 DPOY .. Im not saying prime Dwight would stop Jokic but I think he could’ve limited him a lot more than 4x DPOY Rudy Gobert is
no he not. stop.
Not this version of jokic
Ben Wallace, David Robinson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Bill Russell. Bill Laimbeer, Shaq, Prime Parish, Prime Ewing Rodman would be able to keep him around 22 ppg
To be fair, Dwight does have the strength to prevent him from getting deep position on back downs
@@JimBrave-ri1oc They will still lose with his playmaking. Also, you brought up dudes that cannot shoot threes or control the offense with movements lmao. Easy Work. That era did not have no high level scoring bro.
THANK YOU! Don’t blame rudy Jokic is just that good!
When AD play like this y’all give him hell, we ain’t letting up on Rudy
Jokic is one of the BIGGEST in the current small ball NBA.
Rudy is like KG and Camby who won DPOY but in no way could lock down a bigger superstar like Shaq 1-vs-1.
rudy is SOFT!!!!! as brown marshmellows.
KG could guard all 5 positions. Don’t ever compare Rudy to him
@@Thanosdidtherighthing lol, where's your comprehension?
1st, my comment DOESN'T says KG = Rudy defensively.
2nd, even if KG could guard 1-5, HE CAN'T guard Shaq 1-v-1 all game. and that's a fact as i saw them play each other.
3rd, you left out Camby part, who is weaker physically than KG but still shows my analogy to Rudy.
Dude got breaded, fried, and eaten. How can you be DPOY and not be able to handle a guy 1 on 1? He didn't even slow him down, Jokic got absolutely everything he wanted, he got anywhere on the court he wanted to, took whatever shot he wanted to, Gobert couldn't even make him uncomfortable let alone stop him.
Fr people are citing Bam, AD and Draymond getting cooked by Jokic too. They put up more resistance than what Rudy just did lol
Fraud defensive player of the year.
Wemby should have been DPOY
Yeah hat on backwards is a pet peeve of mine. All I hear is”I’m still cool!” Right?
Are people forgetting Jokic was cooking AD as well? Even the greatest defenders will get scored on. Shane Battier breaks it down properly. Sometimes, the player’s offense is just that good.
4x dpoy & nobody allowed to say anything but crush others LMAO ight
Do you see the things said about that man?
Do you see the things said about that man?
@@kb4231 I’m talking about ex players ik Jokic that guy ik ik but bruh pride gotta kick in at some point
@@Daymont_ BIG FACTS
Yea the level of defending gobert on this is ridiculous. Draymond didn’t even roast him. He DID say you can’t let Jokic back you down. Of course Jokic going to get what he gets to some degree, but watch green defend him - he holds his ground way better than gobert did
Nobody is blaming him for Jokic greatness we’re saying he shouldn’t be the DPOY
So who should’ve won it ?
Cause jokic cooks anybody in the league.
Anthony Davis
@@TheDisruptiveOne didnt AD literally get cooked by jokic 2 weeks ago ?
@@TheDisruptiveOne AD got cooked by jokic b2b years lol no way your serious
@@evilkingster Hachimura got cooked. Not AD.
Goberts defense was great. Jokic literally has counters on counters especially in the post he's just incredible.
Jokic put up similar numbers in Game 1 which the Nuggests lost. The difference in this Game 5 is the Nuggets were also able to lock up on defense and kept Kat and Ant from scoring.
Convenient how American media gone quiet abt “Young Jordan” shitting the bed in the 2 most important games in the series..
Shitting the bed? He scored 44 on 60% shooting game 4. Game 5 they doubled every single possession and he passed out and trusted his teammates to swing the ball.
I bet a lot of money you didn’t watch the last two games.
@@alberta5771he played poorly in game 5 dude.
Last time I checked, MJ lost in the first round when he was 22
@@truemrfu9673yes or no did you watch the game live? If yes explain how he played bad
No need to trash Ant to praise Jokic. Edwards has been great in this series. In game 4 he was great, in game 5 he was decent. 4 great games out of 5 is nowhere near a fail.
Look. Im an average guy on the internet, but am confident I could shut Joker down 1v1.
They did the same thing to Ayton last year.
I think they have to live with Jokic’s scoring. Best bet is to make KAT/Naz pick him up and Gobert plays on help. Hopefully that would subtract the Jokic/Gordon action and force them to play a perimeter game, which is how they nailed them first couple games
The FOUR TIME DPOY looked like he was on ice skates trying to guard Jokic. He couldn't do anything with him and was eaten alive.
U favorite defender ain't stopping jokic
@@owenmokganedi8405 When he puts his mind to it, no one is.
Just like wemby, AD, bam, giannis, embiid. I don't know why everyone needs to mention it when it happens to rudy tho
@@dasupremegentlelad4321AD did a MUCH better job against Jokic in the post compared to Gobert, it’s not even close dude. Rudy out here looking like they grabbed a fan from the stands and told him to suit up
@MM-jc7uv no he didn't. Now you're just talking lol. Before yesterday games jokic was shooting between 33% to 40% when covered by gobert goofy. Yesterday he just went off. And gobert possibly had the best game of any wolves player, if it wasn't for him the wolves would've got obliterated. Get the he'll out of here and actually watch some games. Legitimately most of jokics shots on gobert were heavily contested, jokic is just that good.
DPOY is at least supposed to have a CHANCE against the MVP. It looked like JV defense. No excuses.
There’s no way to STOP these elite players, throughout history, the story has been written by the best player and rn it’s Jokic
You def can't blame Rudy for the loss, but for a true center thats DPOY and isn't tasked to also be a focal point on offense or guard the perimeter like AD...its not ridiculous to expect a better result from him.
Jokic is that dude no doubt about it, but he's making it look too easy out there.
Y’all gotta go back and watch Dray vs. Jokić in that series. THAT is what locking up Jokic looks like…
Exactly
What a jokic with facundo campazzo and will barton getting minutes on the court? You are a dumbass
Add the “dpoy” you have to say least hold ur matchup to their average or lower. 40 pts is insane
None of the other dpoy candidates could do that why is it suddenly and indictment on Gobert? Jokic dropped a 40 ball on Bam’s head in the finals and on Wemby this season. NO ONE can stop him.
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at least a stop or two Jokic put on a clinic mind you 4x dpoy but guess that holds no weight lol
@@sideactivist Deandre Ayton had Jokic on clamps in 2021
@@sideactivist Don’t make me get Dwight Howard
Jokic Hook shot and floater is just unguardable.
I don't think people are literally blaming Gobert. They are just tired of the optics of it. Gobert was actually one of the best +/- in the box score for them somehow 😂
Just look at Shaq and Draymond reactions to the game and the comments section of espn.
Gobert is still great but he’s no Ben Wallace simple as that we can leave it there
Ben Wallace wouldn’t be able to stop jokic either 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
Jokic would have cooked Ben Wallace, too
Ben Wallace got to play in an era devoid of offense
Agreed
Shaq averaged 26.6 points in the finals against Ben WITH Sheed helping him out. That's not Ben "holding his own". It's the entire team helping. Also Ben didn't have to worry about guarding the perimeter unlike Rudy has to right now so that's A LOT of pressure off of him. The 2004 Pistons team was my favorite team but even I have to admit that it took the entire team defensively to contain Shaq. Not shut him down.
Ben also is like 6'8 with shoes, so idk if he could guard Jokic 1v1. Joker would just shoot over him every time like he does to people like Kyle Anderson.
what's the point of being defensive player of the year and Jokic scores 40 points in the most important game ?
Because Jokic is just that guy.
Mj shaq LeBron Kobe Curry etc all have given dpoys 40or something close to that that’s what the all time greats do … just a dump comment
jokic would've dropped 40 regardless of who was guarding him lmao
the most liked comment on the last timberwolves post was " send rudy back to france in handcuffs." Some dude replied "leave the DPOY trophy"
No love for Malone? The schemes are different on offense. Props to the coaching team.
With the size of jokic and the small hook, it is very difficult to contest the ball esp the ref start call some over physical playing since g3. The only way is to contest by another guy but he would pass the ball…just drink one poison.
Joker looks to be in better shape then last year bros dunking your not gonna stop that swag
Jokic is a hybrid of Shaq, Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. He is an unstoppable player with his powerful teammates.
That 4time dpoy on Gobert’s resume has put the target on his back.
Same thing with Jokic, if he plays bad and always gets blocked, he’ll be criticized as well.
Sometimes people are just in the zone. You can’t blame Rudy for trying to guard him 1v1. I know he’s a 4x DPOY but Duncan damn near did the same thing in 05’ against Ben Wallace (also 4x DPOY) and Rasheed WHILE having plantar fasciitis. The biggest difference is Jokic is the best offensive center I’ve ever seen.
Thank you for being reasonable
I really think the best defensive scheme the wolves have for Jokic is to make KAT or Naz the primary defender with Gobert as help cause 1.) KAT as the help does not work since KAT cannot read the offense and make stupid defensive plays. 2.) Leaving Gobert on an island against Jokic will not work since no one stops Jokic one on one. 3.) putting Gobert on Jokic means the best rim protector is away from the rim.
Rudy has been in incredible position defensively. Jokic is just better. Great offense beats great defense
No he hadn’t he’s not even contesting or boxing out
like what more do people expect rudy to do? there's only so much you can do to contest a shot without fouling in an era built to favor offense. jokic did the same thing against AD and he did the same thing against bam, you can't name any big who's been able to stop jokic in the playoffs.
Jokic is just the man !
It’s not Gobert’s blame, it’s how the league is played. Post ups are a rarity and have been ever since analytics took over. Gobert is a great rim protector when it’s all about drives to the basket, and even defending a pick&roll his wingspan is a huge factor, but I can’t remember one single performance by him against a good center that plays by posting up where he didn’t end being cooked. Jokic is one of the best at this, the outcome is just what you’d expect.
I wonder when the debate begins about the joker being more dominant than Shaq. Domination is more than brute force.