Calories In vs. Calories Out - The Debate is Over
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Putting an End to the Calorie Debate - Do Calories in Calories Out Matter?
So, calories in versus calories out. A question that comes up constantly: Does it truly matter and is it a real thing? All over the internet right now, we see people that are talking about, just, if it fits macros, or eating whatever you possibly want as long as it fits within a specific caloric range. Then we have another subset of people that talk about the ketogenic diet and say that when you're on a keto diet, calories don't matter at all, or when your fat-adapted calories don't matter at all.
Thomas DeLauer: What we want to do is we want to break this down. In order to break this down, I brought in someone that I highly, highly respect in the CZcams space. This is Mr. Mike Mutzel, and Mike, I appreciate you coming here.
Mike Mutzel: Buddy, thanks so much for having me. It's an honor.
Thomas DeLauer: Totally. Tell everyone kind of, you know, a little bit about you and why they should be listening to what we're talking about today.
Mike Mutzel: Sure, yeah. It's a great question. I have master's degree in human nutrition, undergraduate degree in biology. I've been studying this stuff for a long time, like you. We have similar backgrounds. I used to work with medical doctors, integrative doctors, and so I've worked with a lot healthcare practitioners, studied the research. I too am a skeptic, initially, right, of all these different thing. I was even a skeptic at first of keto. I like to go into the research and see what's going on, what scientists are saying, what they're publishing. Yeah, I mean, one of my passions, like you, is looking at metabolic science and figuring out ways that we can optimize our body's physiology, so that's what I focus on on my channel.
Thomas DeLauer: Awesome. Very cool. For those of you that know my background ... Some of you may or may not, but when he said we have similar backgrounds, we both came from sort of this medical background in the sense that we're not doctors, but we worked closely with physicians. I managed over 1,200 physicians in the world of ancillary lab services, providing lab services to them. You worked in the industry and worked for closely with pharma and everything. We just know the good, the bad, and the ugly of the industry.
Okay, so calories in, calories out. You and I kind of come from the say cut of cloth when it comes down to this, but the common thing that I've been getting hit with lately is you're having these guys come and say that, especially with the advent of the keto diet, that calories are the end all, be all. Like, it's all going to come down to calories. Is a calorie really a calorie? Is calories in going to be calories out? I first want hear your initial stance on this, and then we can get kind of a discussion going.
Mike Mutzel: Sure. No, that's great. I mean, it's really interesting to think about because if we think about when we go to the gym and say we burned 3,500 calories, right? Let's say you and I were in beautiful Southern California, we go for a bike ride. I used to race bicycles, and several times when I was training on the weekend for six hours, I would burn north of 6,000 calories. Theoretically, I should have lost about two pounds, just under two pounds of fat per day doing that, but sometimes I would actually gain weight, right? I think it's oversimplified.
Mike Mutzel: The human metabolism is so integrated with nutrient-sensing receptors, hormones, and so we really need to think of all the different networks and so forth on the cellular and biological level. I think it's just been oversimplified. I mean, if we think about what a calorie is, it's a unit of energy to break down ... It's a unit of heat, sorry, to break down an amount, a finite amount of energy. The body doesn't necessarily work like that. That's a concept in physics, and so I think it's just calories certainly matter. I don't think you can over-consume a lot of calories, more than your physical activity would garner, and necessarily lose weight; but I think with the hormonal shifts and the nutrient-sensing receptors that are up-regulated with fasting, with keto, with exercise, we have a lot of wiggle room there.
Thomas DeLauer: Guys, make sure you give him a follow. Honestly, he's going to drop some knowledge bombs that even make my mind just go, so-
Mike Mutzel: Thanks, guys. Thanks for having me on.
Thomas DeLauer: All right. See you soon.
Thanks so much for having me on! What a blast this was.
I definitely enjoyed watching this particular video. It was reassuring to see someone professional back up what Thomas has been telling us.. 👍 🇬🇧
No, Mike. Thank you for joining me. I hope we can team up again soon. Start brainstorming!
Wealth of info, love what you boys and girls are doing as YTrs
I'd say that you both share the majority of your subscriber bases already anyways; I've been subscribed to the both of you for years🤗💛🤗!
awesome~~~!
1997 I was told by a medical doctor that the LOW CARB diet I was on was unhealthy and even deadly.
Early 2000s, a Nutritionist told my wife she was in danger because she was on a LOW CARB diet.
2019, we are still on LOW carb (KETO now) diet and heathier than anyone our age, not on keto.
do you guys eat lower calories too? usually people who eat low calories live longer.
Cool. I'll keep eating carbs
@@davidjd123 or people that live longer happen to eat less food. You can’t just say people live longer because they eat less
@@Profile.4 ok fatty
@@jamesbizs yeah like 500 bodybuilders on high carb diets with CZcams channels, smart.
Finally, two subject matter experts who are not throwing one another under the bus. I have replayed this several times and will continue to do so.
Thanks guys!
Thank you for watching!
I agree! This was awesome! Also.. Very classy and professional! 2 very humble and knowledgeable guys! Thomas, you are my favorite keto/IF educator and after seeing this video, I'm also going to subscribe to Mike as well.. I really liked him in this video. Thank you both for doing this video! 👏😊👍
2 good guys, for real.
"Some doctors know less about the healthcare industry than people working on the admin side." You just earned my like.
Thank you!
Yep, general practitioners know a little bit about everything. They can't be experts at everything, because then they would have to study a hundred years.
You both fed off each other well. Other topics were brought up and explained. Very informative and really helpful. Following Mike now too, appreciate the introduction Thomas.
He knows his stuff!
More Mike and Thomas collaboration? Yes please! Great video guys!!
agree!!!
I “highly intensely” agree
r2 bert lol!
YES
agreed!
Thank you so much for getting together and sharing knowledge with us! Love you both and will watch every single collaboration you share. Thx again!
I’m glad you liked it!
Yay! Love Mike’s channel! I’ve learned so much from you both!
I never count calories on keto+IF but I lose fat every day, having abs for first time in my life, also no cardio
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Me too man, but I wish I didn't have to feel so cold everytime I fast for more than 16 hours.
You must be in a calorie deficit without knowing it
@@buddybaldur768 all l know is l do keto and every day two meal 16/8 lF (switched to 19/5 for few days). l want to lose fat and build muscle, when l eat l push my limits up to 150%. l hope l ll never have to count my calories because l find it restrictive and hard. But if Thomas Delauer says something, l have never seen its wrong yet.
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I have lost weight on an isocaloric diet as long as the carbs are below 50 grams per day .
Thank you Thomas for bringing on Mike, from High Intensity Health. He is such a valuable resource of knowledge and it is nice that you have provided him a platform so that he can get more exposure. With regards to the keto vs calorie restriction model, the conflict between these two camps is unnecessary. Yes, energy deficits are necessary to lose weight, and energy balance is necessary to maintain weight. However, keto, when done with a deliberate focus on maintaining food quality, is the BEST means to achieve both this energy deficit and energy balance. Hence, these two ideas - calorie restriction and keto - are not diametrically opposed. Instead, they are quite complementary.
I couldn’t agree more
Exactly! High protein low carb can maintain more lean body mass during a deficit, increase satiety, allow exercise, and so much more. I’ve had the beginnings of success doing this, and it’s working more sustainably than any other diet I’ve ever done.
Yeah, some hormonal information towards women going through peri-menopause and menopause too please. Love both you guys, great collaboration, yes do more.👍
So cool that you got Mike on the channel! He’s a friend of mine and he’s brilliant.
I was incredibly impressed
bignoknow Hey brother Noah! Nice to see you here. Catch up soon🙏🏻
Great job guys. Love the science behind it all. Looking forward to more collaboration between you. Keep up the good work. You’re helping to educate so many. Thanks
Thank you!
I love watching these types of videos and being able to understand all of it. Thank you!
Just wanted to ad this comment, when I feel bloated, I fast! It’s that simple!! Listen to your body, it never lies!
Yessss! Cannot stand that bloaded feeling
more collabs please omgggg. great stuff, love and support you two all the way!
Wow! I think this is a very powerful format. This discussion brought out the best in both of you!
Totally awesome collaboration guys.
Mike, I was turned on to your channel when I started my intermittent fasting and Keto lifestyle two years ago when I discovered Thomas Delauer and I have learned and enjoyed your interviews with MD Jason Fung, Dr. Eric Burg and many others..
In fact both of your channels have been key in my current dietary knowledge and current state of health.
When I started two years ago I had to make a radical change in my nutrition because my health was suffering.. I want to thank you both for your dedication to educating your followers... keep them videos coming.
Thomas you are the man!
Thank you! I’m so glad we could help
There needs to be more of these videos on your channel! It's just nice to hear discussions like this.
I really enjoyed this collaboration! I already follow Mike and love his channel. Keep them coming.
Love you both guys! Providing valuable information, inspiring people and changing lives!
Thank you so much!
Can you guys do this again because there’s something very calming about both of you, especially with such an overwhelming subject,, and all the extra knowledge was just a bonus. ☺️
Love this collab, u guys should do more 🙌🏻
Very likely!
Love this video i myself do keto and one meal a day and 48 hour fast every week. Went from 400 to 265😊
Monster how long have you been doing keto?and did you fast right from the start
One meal a day.. how in the heck do you get all your macros in for the day?
Good point sounds like you cut your calories.
oh my god, are you serious? that's pretty pretty astonishing!👌👌
Congratulations! Saving your life one pound at a time!
Nice to see a sensible guest like Mike, HIH is a Great Channel.
I love his stuff
This might be my favorite video on you tube right now, great collab. Great info
Thank you!
I love that there is no ego between these two, they aren't talking over or passed each other and they show respect. I'd love to see more collaborations with these two, on both of their channels. Thanks for the great information, gentlemen.
More of these collaborations please. Very very informative.
Definitely more videos with Mike. Love his channel. Thank you Thomas.
Stay tuned!
What a great collaboration, I’d seen Mike’s channel pop up on my feed several time recently but I’ll be visiting it now! I like to see several different views on similar subjects so that I can come up with my own decision. Great work gentlemen!
I’m glad you liked it!
Great information as always. I must admit to being mesmerized and distracted by Thomas' biceps, though.
Glad I wasn't the only one ;)
More frequent collabs please! Loved this video!
Over my head but was great to see you two together.
Both of u guys are so amazing! So awesome to see this collaboration
T Lelton Thanks for tuning in!
Love the guests Please keep the conversation going You and others have help my family, friends and I be more healthy....Thank you!
No doubt! More collaborative videos! Thanks Thomas and Mike, love ya both
please collaborate more often this was so information rich I need to watch it again and take notes great work guys
Will do!
Thomas and Mike great people with lots of useful information! 💪😀
Thank you for watching!
Best video ever!! Love the collab and love the science chat. I love the fact you didn’t have stock video or photos too. So much more down to earth. You don’t need all the fancy edits to have a great video. Love love love!!!
I love Mike and High Intensity Health! I am so excited that you are collaborating.
Yes please - more collaborations with him and people as knowledgeable as him. It’s great to learn and helps me process the information. You are super knowledgeable and so also seeing your process of bringing information together helps me too. Best to you and your family!
Stay tuned!
Definitely need to have him on more often. This clarifies some things I had questions about.
Heck yeah! Thanks for tuning in, Mike
Very soon!
Just subbed to Mike’s channel! Thank you for the link!!
My two favorite guys on CZcams!!! Thank you!!!
Great job you two 👏👏 glad to see all the keto/health Giants collaborate together!
Thank you!
Mike is your best guest to date IMO. An amazing intellect that worked great with yours, without a confusing delivery. Loved that video: 11/10 ! 👍
Honored to be on. So glad it was helpful for you--Mike
He made it easy. I can’t wait for the next one!
So thankful for you making a video with Mike! I have been following you both for a long time and it was really nice seeing you two gurus link up! thanks guys. keep making great content.
Followed Mike since his beginning. Really great to see this info.
Two of my favorite Health Fitness Icons, outstanding exchange guys. . !!!!
Thank you!
Ted Graves Hey Ted! Glad to see you here. Appreciate you buddy 💪🙏🏻
Please make more videos like this. You are my favourite two CZcamsrs. Amazing stuff.
Stay tuned for more!
Two of my favorite guys!! Thanks for all the help in transforming my life and eating. Pray that God blesses your families.
Great video, nice meeting you Mike.
You are both a great inspiration to me, have learned a lot from this and many other videos!
Cheers to you and all your success.
Thanks, Paul!
I've been subscribed to both your channels for the past few years and this is just like a dream for me, to see you guys team up and make a video. And fantastic information too. Bravo!!
Thank you!
Juggalot33ny Means a lot. Thanks for the kind note 🙏🏻
Lovin the long form podcast style talks! Keep it up. You should do more special guests
I’m thinking that too!
Awesome work gentleman. Great stuff. Thank you both for the lessons. Time for a replay. JP
My absolute favourites. Thank you! Yesss, please have Mike on more often, such intelligent conversation. 👌
More with Mike! He’s awesome! Love his channel!!
Stay tuned!
Thanks to both Thomas and Mike for this information 👍
Thank you for watching!
My two favorite keto geeks!!! 🥰 This was so fun and informative! You kept it clipping and covered so much info! Such an important conversation. Thanks guys sincerely!
This video was an awesome collab! Do more of them with Mike !
I loved this...the topic and the conversational style👌🏾
#subbedtoboth!
Same!!
Phoenix Rising you rock. Thanks 🙏🏻💪
High Intensity Health Thanks Mike ☺️
You guys should team up more often, great job guys!
Stay tuned!
Awesome collaboration 👍 great to see you both together. 🙌
Thanks for the info, I respect both of you guys, it's good to see you together on the one video
Bravo bravo bravo!!! This video is a work of art!!! A true MASTERPIECE!!!
...and it pisses off Layne Norton too!
Could you guys make a video on how to build muscle with IF and Keto or Low Carb? Thank you for your great content guys!
Eat more calories, lift heavy
@@Euthyphro yeah, thats what i thought too and thats what i've been doing. But maybe it would be a good video to make on what to eat, like what should your daily protein,carb and fat intake etc... should be etc...
Yinglun Xie did you ever find out?
I just started my Keto journey so I’m in the 30ish % fat range and I’ve definitely noticed being cold during intermittent fasting! Great job on the channel!
This is my favorite video from you in a long time. Would love to see Mike back and going to check out his channel now!
I will be checking out Mikes channel for sure - I’m so glad you are addressing calories again as this is über important to me. I would love to ask Mike a serious question - this is Jodielee not Marzi
I’m so worried to start keto due to my health past, but I am a strong strong believer on Intermittent fasting
You guys are amazing together
Still watching guys as this is the best information I have ever seen
~ Jodielee ~
Great video
Could you do a video and share your knowledge on
Correct diet for your hormones
For ectomorphs / hard gainer's
Gaz Nann yes please. Hard gainer here!
My two favorite health and fitness folks into one video! That's great! And thanks to both of you!
Really good information - great discussion I subscribed to Mike’s channel- thanks
"What matters is what your eat and when you eat" Dr. Jason Fung.
Pretty much!
2 keto scientists kicking that knowledge. Great video, appreciate the mental nutrients. Maintains the RMR due to Keto was an awesome piece of info. Why does that occur? Just because of ketones? Or do ketones help the glucagon production?
Facts are exciting!
You guys are exciting!
Thanks for your efforts and expertise!
Great combined knowledge. Thanks.
You asked for feedback on "feeling cold when overweight on Keto diet": Yes, I get this. It's my third month of keto and it's quite warm in Devon (South West, England) but I have the heater on because I'm chilly! Great video, Thomas, thanks to you and guest. Interesting and so much to think about re things like brown fat.
Thank you for the feedback!
Mee too. I am a 58 year old male with 25% body fat (mostly visceral around my intestines). And I feel really cold when fasting. What helps is snake juice (water with salt, potassium and soda). It keeps me warmer.
Yes, love Mike. Great discussion!
I loved doing this video
Thank you so much ! Yes I would love to see more collaborations !
You are two of my favorite mentors for my Keto Lifestyle and training. Please, please, please do more collaboration videos!!! I am subscribed to both of your channels. Also, thank you for talking about Dr. Bikman's research! I also follow him and love all the information he shares!
Excellent video. Been a follower of @Metabolic_Mike for a while now. Dude knows his stuff. Thanks again Thomas. Try to get Mike back on again sometime soon. Always educational.💪🏻🥩👍🏻
Some of my favorite guys! Sweeet
Excellent video! Yes, more Mike and Tom!
Mike is my favorite! Glad to see him here.
THAT WAS TOTALLY AWESOME. please mor collaboration guys
Stay tuned!
I appreciate the research you do, Thomas. Having Mike on here today was an extra benefit to watching your channel, and YES, please have more collaboration with him and soon! Great video.
Thank you! Make sure to stay tuned!
Followed Mike for a few years...its how I found your channel at around the same time Thomas. You two help me so much. Thanks.
Love MIke! His Channel is great! Awesome to see you too collaborating 💪🏼
He was awesome today!
Can't believe what I'm seeing, HIH on Thomas' channel. Sick!
erdmax _ Boom! Thanks for tuning in 💪🙏🏻
Omg, when 2 health nerds get together.🤓 Lol.. j/k I appreciate all the info & jargon.
Great synergy: the combination adds to more than the sum of you both. Nice to see and hear Mike under top quality video and sound equipments.
One of the best videos I've seen on the topic, congrats to both of you guys 💪👍
As someone only doing keto since January 4th and a 50% or more body fat I DO get cold for no reason when before starting keto I was hot most of the time.
Interesting
I'm a obese man 300 lb + 5'11" just stating to look at health again after years of consuming everything and anything i wanted with really bad results. i never had a sweet tooth but could eat my carbs to excess. started Keto about 6 weeks ago then 3 week in i went too Keto with OMAD and would try to eat more often on the weekends i say try because i just not hungry after only 6 weeks. i just finished my first 3 day fast and honestly it was a easy no real hunger pains felt great broke my fast with all amount of beef 2 hrs later i got so hungry it was hard to last anther 4 hrs before i would eat again is this normal. And yea my hands and feet are cold but find they get cold now on OMAD.
Thanks for the inspiration the great vides, information , love this channel and feel more alive then i have in years thank you !!
I’m the same way after a fast. As soon as I eat some thing, I need to smash!
I feel hungry if I drink through a fast! If I’m not drinking anything I’m fine. Can’t do a hard dry fast because I have to wash my hands... frequently but I’m good until I drink fluids.
I value all the fantastic information you both put out on all your videos and to have you both on together is a plus. Starting my fourth week of keto and loving it. I am a geek when it comes to studying issues important to me so if you could site the study's' you use would be so appreciated. This video helped a lot because I struggle on days to meet my recommended caloric intake because i am just not hungry. I listen to my body and eat until satisfied. I work out every other day and dont want to loose muscle. Thank you so much. keep up the great content.
I've been subscribed to Mike's Channel High Intensity Health for years now; please collaborate again with him - this is perfect!!!
Tiffany Valencia Hi there Tiffany! Nice to hear from you again. Appreciate it 💪🙏🏻
Two geniuses in action!!! I learned 7 new phrases during this video and 3 syllables!!!
Bam! Get after it
hello, I know is not the topic, but every time I'm in a low carb diet or Keto I sweat a lot while sleeping, even if it's cold, does anyone has the same issue?
Low carb exerts more water in your body. However mine went theough more peing rather sweat. I did start sweating on my palms tho
Just keep electrolytes in check
Add spinach as a source of magnesium and potassium! And if you consume a lot of salt just tone it down a bit
Awesome video Thomas and Mike. I just subscribed to your channel Mike and look forward to seeing your videos too!
Thanks, Jimmy! I’ll pass it along!
Great video and cool collaboration with another great guest.way to end the month TD, strong and hard just the way it should be.
I’m pretty happy with this finish