Why Your Hands Go NUMB On A Motorcycle
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If you can't "play the piano" while riding, you're too tight on the bars. Remember, the more relaxed you are with your hands and arms, the more control you have. MotoJitsu.com
Easy if you have a Yamaha 😂
I can't play any instrument while I'm riding or when I'm not ride.
What I learned from Dave Moss that was really helpful for me was to make sure to adjust and turn down the brake and clutch lever to align with my arm/wrist angle to be ergonomically correct to eliminate unnecessary strain in the joints.
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My hands went numb on my Rebel 300 because the grips vibrated more than the shoebox under my wife's side of the bed.
Underrated comment.
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This is one of the greatest comments I have ever read.
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Great advice that is even more pertinent as you age. My 72-year-old hands can go numb quicker than my 25 year-old hands could when I first started riding.
I ride a 75 mile round trip daily commute. Hand numbness was a big problem for me on my FZ6R. The 3 things that worked for me was more pressure on the tank with my knees, a throttle lock or crampbuster and "playing the piano" every few minutes. Now the only time my hands get numb is when temperatures drop into the 30's and my heated grips can't keep up.
Try using heated gloves. That works by heating the blood on top of your hand. If you notice the top of your hand gets colder than your palm.
I just got back into riding after 2 years with an old standard. I found that my hands were extremely numb and painful after a short time because I was so tense and sitting too far back. Once I made an effort to relax and sit properly, I felt completely fine for hours.
All things considered, if are not adequately hydrated, your arms will tire and you can experience numbness and/or cramping of the fingers. My medical opinion.....always hydrate, especially if riding continuous over an hour or two. Also, if you have significant cervical spondylosis, because of compression of the brachial plexus, you can get numbness or paraesthesia in the arms and hands. You should take a break and mobilise your shoulders to loosen the neck tissues. All the best and as ever, thanks for your videos. Totally useable tips.
I can tell you, I have a pinched spinal chord in my neck if I put my hands over the shoulder my hand goes numb in a few minutes. I can't do work well with anything over my head. So ape hangars are out for me lol I would not be able to do that.
I just got my temps today, geared up and went on my first ride that was longer than 1/4 mile. I had to come back after less than 15 minutes because my arms and wrists felt like I'd been lifting. I didn't realize how scared (therefore tense) I was. Loving these videos, I have an entire month to prepare for my beginning rider course. I'm trying to watch everything I can on low speed control and how to properly turn.
Since I’m a noob, I’m doing better at keeping my hands loose on the grips and scooting forward on the seat. This video just validated this for me. I was so tense when I started out riding and would come back come with really numb hands.
hands should hover on the grips, not squeezing.
@@Joel-ho8xx Easier said than done for a beginner. The best thing to do is make a conscious effort to relax the grip over time.
I was riveted. That's because you are an excellent communicator, Greg, because I already knew that, on an intuitive level. But you brought it to the surface of my awareness, enough for me to now make multiple decisions during a ride to loosen my grip. Keep the teaching going because it is precious stuff.
Great tips! Thanks!
Great topic and I think you nailed the real issue - it took me several month once I realized the more relaxed my hands and arms the more control I have and my hands don't go numb so fast - I also added a wrap to may grips which seems to help.
Great advice Greg.
Here's one for you, I found out my gloves were making my hands numb. Get the right gloves!
One of your old videos helped me a lot with this problem. Ever since I started covering brake and clutch with two fingers problem disappeared.
Thanx man! paused your vid...went and rode around my yard and can't believe the difference! Then came back and finished the vid 😂
Great video. You nailed it. Thanks!
Thanks for this tip! I’ll be trying this on my next ride. I have some nerve damage in my hands, so anything I can do to help reduce numbness is a great thing.
I've found that installing the "foamy" grip sleeves really help with minimizing the numb sensation in my hands to the point that it's very infrequent compared to not having the foam sleeves. they do increase the grip diameter, but you get used to it.
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I’m 64 now and have arthritis which varies day to day from years of heavy trade work and combat sports. Fitted all 3 bikes with coca-cola barrel grips now which alleviates much of this problem. Bent arms helps and having the grips at an angle rather than horizontal is useful too. I have clubman bars on my CB1300 which seem to work well, my Triumph Sprint GT is already ergonomic, but the real surprise is the 8” ape hangers on my American export Triumph T-140 which are incredibly comfortable - hands are at about a 30 degree angle. I also cover the brake with one finger practically all the time but generally maintain a relaxed grip. Small parallel grips (the usual standard options) are the devils work. I’m now a fan of the more forward riding position though as this improves control and reduces wind buffet. But some days suck (yesterday on the 1300 after 100 or so miles) and you just have to shake it off and continue. It’s not a good thing when you can’t feel your hands on the twisties so I’ll likely put the small reflexed levers on to minimise the reach.
Well done for covering this common issue! 👍🏻
Great advice. Every time my hands go numb it's because I'm riding too tense and I have to consciously loosen up.
Awesome mate. Thank you.
Love these guide videos, back on a bike after 3 years. 1000 blade.
Great Bike 😎
Thank You for excellent video. I have been riding liter bikes for a long time and always have this problem. I noticed that I am holding the grips very tight, even with my arms bent. I started to remind myself especially on long distance riding to relax my hands and it is getting better.
Carpal tunnel for me.
Larger grip helps. Loser grip and flexing hands helps.
Also, eating salty foods causes an almost undetectable swelling, but gripping something + capal tunnel will make very small swelling in your hands trigger numbing going into painful.
Thanks brother. Excellent feedback. Relax and no pressure in any way.
I thought I was the only one with this problem, thanks for addressing it. Several reasons why this may occur is 1. If you are driving a smaller displacement bike and you are forcing it to keep up with traffic. In such a case, the steering will begin to vibrate and you compensate by “holding on for dear life”. You then tense up and restrict blood flow to your fingers and hands with that tiring “ death grip”. 2. If your bike is light, or if you ride a taller bike at higher speeds, you will face problems with wind pressure. I personally never had numb hands when I drove my 750cc standard type bike. The problems began occurring when I sized down to lighter and taller bikes. Sometimes, what you like isn’t always appropriate for what you are using your bike for.
Definitely found gripping the tank tighter with the legs and relax the hands drastically changed my riding!
New leather gloves are worth wearing at home for a while to soften them up too, especially for new riders as stiff leather gloves with nervous tight grip is a recipe for extremely fast numb hands!
I got into road motorcycling a few months ago (I primarily ride dirt bikes, so being on the road is odd to me) so i still have my beginners permit. I'm so deathly terrified of losing control due to a tar snake or pebble that i death grip like i'm cutting fire wood. I kept wondering if it was the gloves i bought, but even without gloves my hand would still go numb.
When you're chopping wood a numb hand really doesn't matter so i learned to ignore it. But riding a motorcycle is a different story. Thanks for the video, it's just one of those things that i'll have to fix over time.
Thank you so much, this is exactly what I am facing on my recently bought 2016 Duke 390.
Bike is so agressive for my skill level I get scared and hold the handlebar very tightly.
Don't forget that the throttle is best controlled by forearm rotation (like turning a door knob) rather than flexion of the wrist (which is super tiring) and your lower arms and hands should move as a unit (like windshield wipers) as you shift body position. In the piano world, they say "you can be at an angle to the piano, but don't be at an angle to yourself" - the same applies to the handlebars.
Great video! Installing grip puppies also help allot in avoiding the numbness. The vibration of the engine on some bikes makes your hands go numb. But also take enough breaks during ur ride; every 1,5 / 2 hours hours is best. Also your behind and back will thank you.
Thank you so much for another great post! It helped a lot. Now I know that it doesn't happen just to me and also how to fix it.
Not to knock out Greg, but also get checked out. I have followed his instructions, and it makes a difference. Sometimes, it was not my hand that went numb, but my forearm and my hands would follow. Turned out I had impingements in my muscles. I ride a cruiser, and it should be the easiest ride. It wasn't. I got treated and followed the motojitsu training, and I've improved
Oh, this is just so good! ✨️ And so true! 👍
As a complete newbie, I hung on to my life in the handlebars.... Stiff, all the way up to my hair roots!!! 😮I had that "Lion King look" - but not cool at all though,....! 😅 But I took your word for it - and started to play the piano! 🎼 My instructor at school,, loved the metaphore - when I told him what made the huge change in my whole drivning position! ❤ No more numbness, easier to ride - and so much more joy! 🫠
Thank you so much, Greg! ✨️
My hands used to go numb due to gripping too hard AND riding a CBR250R single for long periods - I recommend bar end weights (adding weight ) made a big difference.
I learned how to relax my grip too
While I don't disagree with any of this advice there are also other causes and solutions. With over 30 years of track and sport bike experience I'm well aware of the techniques described here to mitigate numbness but after retiring for a bit and recently purchasing a single cylinder bike this thumper, like all thumpers, are buzzy. Over distance it eventually wears on you, unless one is by nature not sensitive to buzzy bars.
Often a good set of bar end weights can help a lot, the stainless steel ones from Oberon, a U.K. company, are quite hefty and good quality.
Good to use all available tools in addition to technique to improve riding comfort.
Good topic. I struggle with my right hand going numb, and it hasn’t been a bike issue as I’ve had the issue on a number of different style bikes. Some time ago I really embraced your “playing piano” and it has help quite a bit. I suspect there may be some carpel tunnel or something going on because it will still occur with loose hands. I’ve also found that glove size/fit absolutely plays a role, the tight fitting the gloves the more likely I’ll have an issue.
same as dude i wear xl gloves even though i have average size hands
Same here it was carpal tunnel
And if u leave it too long u get permanent nerve damage to see an orthopod
Typically grips are too small in diameter which doesn't help.
Time for a slight update on the bit about vibration. There are bikes with almost no vibration - electric motorbikes. But even on them, if you grip too tightly, you will get numb or sore wrists. It isn't vibration numbness like workers get when using road drills. Few bikes have that kind of vibration. It comes from your riding position.
I have had numb hands on at least the last 4 bikes. BMW F850 GSA, Kawasaki Voyager, Africa Twin, Triumph. I re entry bought a used ‘14 HD Ultra Limited with a 110” motor and so on. For the FIRST TIME in all these bikes, my hands are fine. Couldn’t believe it! I suspect the wrist angle yaw as well as pitch are key factors.
This was such an issue for me, compounded with I already have carpal tunnel. 15 mins of riding and I couldn’t feel my hands anymore. I tried this and adjusting my levers and it helped some.
Drop the elbows, fantastic advice, really makes a difference (Yamaha R1).
Great video my friend i always keep my arms in a relaxed position and I never get numb hands. 😊
I have chronically had this problem for years. Paying attention to my posture and grip, while important and helpful, didn’t resolve my numbness issues. In addition to the advise in this video, I found preemptively taking ibuprofen before a long ride and gloves with a gel palm allows me to ride all day in all conditions with little to no numbness. After a few hours I have to take another dose of ibuprofen. I think some people have more susceptibility for inflammation in their wrist and hands, for me, ibuprofen helps control it.
Ibuprofen is my friend these days for sleep. Never occurred to me to use it before a ride but will start now. Thanks for the tip! 👍🏻
My right hand went numb as well... i thought i was doing good gripping my gastank with my legs... this was where i found out i had carpeltunnel syndrom... 1 surgery and no mor numb hand.. So yes all what you just mentioned is so true. Good content bro. Thank you.
I ride big vtwin with engine hard mounted to the frame, so hand numbness is very hard to get rid off, just weighted grips and gel gloves reduced this by far the most… and my zzr14 is smooth as silk compared and it is considered more sport than touring :) sad both of these do not have cruise control…
PS when just cruising the best thing to get rid of numbness especially on throttle is just to keep throttle grip with finger tips instead of full grip :)
I found out for myself, that just my GS's grips where to thin. I attached grip puppies, more circumference and I was able to hold the grips with a more "open" hand. No more nubness. :)
This happened when I just started - I actually had nerve damage for about a month, couldn't even use nail clippers. Loose grip fixed the issue, and nerve function eventually returned.
I was diagnosed with Carpal tunnel syndrome. I'm able to ride on highways just fine but it's on the bad roads the problem starts. Swollen palms at the end of a 4 hr ride is a part of life now.
I had a pair of bad fitting winter gloves.. that numbed me up too
fell asleep one time with my RH bent upward. woke up with hand numb. i think it's the grip and twist on the throttle that numbs the hand. my new rebel 1100 has cruise control and my RH has never been happier. as stated above, grip puppies can help.
( can you play the piano while riding? ) was the best thing that I ever heard cause I play the piano and what you said makes perfect sense.
Never happens on my Gold Wing (GL1500)
Exactly.
I was taught to hold on and steer the bike by legs, not hands.
Playing the piano is a great analogy as well.
Thanks!
You cannot steer a motorcycle with your legs. Your arms steer the motorcycle
@@ropeysubstance1719 try it bro.
You actually steer the bike by your legs much more than you think.
You shift your body and that steer the bike easily.
@@4upkoB motojitu literally has dozens of videos debunking this myth. the one and only way to turn a motorcycle is to counter steer by pushing forward on the side you want to turn. moving your lower body does nothing.
@@ropeysubstance1719 ok, maybe this is the question of names.
I notice most people grip the handlebars like it was a pullup bar...wrong hand position, and held too tight. You hear about arm pump a lot in MX/ADVEnduro, where there’s lots of standing on the footpegs. Similar mistake, though...
I bought a throttle assist on amazon. This really helps on long rides.
Best way to reduce tingling in hands is to fill the bars with RTV remove switch gear first and replace bar end inserts with rubber hose then screw bar ends in make sure you fill the bars fully but allowing for bar ends re install switch 👍
I watched a Sylvain Guintoli (spelling is awful sorry on the toilet) video on throttle grip on the track. A comment made a joke that he was holding it like a champagne glass. I started doing that and now can ride all day without a throttle lock and zero cramps or hand fatigue
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I was having a problem with this but only with my right hand. I put a sponge type sleeve over the throttle grip and it cured the problem.
I try to stay relaxed when I ride. I learned that in boxing. In boxing staying relaxed helps you keep your energy.
What a spectacular presentation. I didn't mean to write here. 😂
1:34, is that an EcoBoost Mustang startup in the background? Had one and sounded exactly the same. Thanks for the video by the way, good job
There is a throttle wrist clip you can put on to rest your hand on the throttle. It was a must riding my Harley. Not needed for the BMW.
Don't have that problem...might be as a guitar player,one is constantly stretching and exercising forearms, wrists and fingers. Agree with the scenario of grip...I have a very light grip...sueeze the tank and work the foot pegs a lot..for me Pivot Pegz work for me
My hand (right hand) goes numb because of my shoulder. I dislocated it back in the early 2000s. It has dislocated so many times since then that it is a loose joint. Because of that looseness if I do not have a good position with my back I will have a pinched brachial plexus (nerve cluster). I never death grip it. It is just that it starts to go numb. No pain. just numb. It was why I bought my Atlas Throttle lock. I can lock my throttle, move my arm to a neutral position and let my arm recover, then release the lock and shift my position enough to take the pressure off the shoulder.
I ride a Scout Rogue. Cruiser with 10" mini-apes.
Another reason of course why hands get numb is: cold. I experience that almost 6 days out of 7 while riding in winter in Vancouver Canada.
Brand new rider here... I found out in my MSF course that I have some pretty bad carpal tunnel "arthritis" in my hands... I was still motivated to see the course through and get my first bike though. Couple months later and I cam across a T-7. Took it out in my neighborhood and yea.... I've got it bad man and it's pretty crushing but I'm hoping to put a lighter clutch and brake lever on there. In the end, for future reference, I've come to realize that a DCT bike is my best bet though. I'll try to pay attention to my grip though like you said. My hands don't go numb, they just feel like someone is twisting knives in them lol. Sucks pretty bad.
you just convinced me to buy a DCT because my wrists can get really bad. i appreciate the insight i never thought about that perspective
I used to have very bad carpal tunel syndrome. Couldn't ride a bycicle, couldn't sleep, had to wake up to shake my arms out of the painful numbness. Got the surgery, instant fix. If you can, get it done, if you can't, fight for universal health care.
My hand goes numb from my Road King after I installed new heated grips.
They have a strong snap back and they're ever so slightly thicker than the stock grips.
I try using cruise control as much as possible when going on longer rides.
Gloves cause me to grip the throttle harder without even realizing it, because I lose that sensitivity that you get with bare hands. I dont want to ride without gloves, so I ride with the thinnest pair of motorcycle riding gloves that I can find (Dainese textile gloves) which help. Something is better than nothing...
Absolutely correct if my hands go numb,slow down, calm Down its a indicator for me now
Also, consider pressure on your ulnar nerve. Not matter how light your grip (piano playing or not 😂), numbness can be caused by pressure on this part of your palm. Many gloves have padding to relieve this pressure.
i n the 70's I rode a Norton 750 commando & Norton used engine-frame isolation (grommets?) to prevent (greatly reduce) engine vibration being transmitted to the frame & thus the rider. I never experienced any numbness or fatigue on that bike, even after hours of riding hard on back country roads. This practice has been dropped by modern bikes & is the main reason for rider numbness and body fatigue. It is not the riders fault, bike companies need to re-institute engine isolation and vibration reduction for the rider interface .
8:33 - Somebody PLEASE do a "or can I play the piano in a corner" meme!
Yes play the piano but try initiating the counter steer movement with a hip sway. When doing Motojitsu drills I found that hip swaying would make me carve through like a dolphin. Think Shakira cus "hips don't lie". I do the drills as often as possible. They're fun & they really do help me improve my skills on the bike. Advanced riders use their lower body like you wouldn't believe. Peace
Only my throttle hand goes numb epsecially on long rides where the speed is constant. The throttle spring is pretty hard, so I am gripping it to keep steady speed. I sometimes open my hand and try to hold the throttle with my palm but i'm pushing through my arm to keep the throttle steady. During a spirited twisty road ride that doesn't happen because the speed varies.
Lion king look, love it😂
Cruise style bikes slight pull on opposite bar to the bend ,U an bike with corner more upright less effort ,if U go wide pull more , tight gloves won't help either
Would like to add a couple of points.
Sometimes it can also point to the start of Carpal Tunnel if you get strong pins-and-needles as apposed to just a little numbness(like me now).
You can help the situation with slightly heavier bar-end weights to reduce the vibrating, but it's a balancing act to get the right weights, and you have to learn not to death-grip first to get it just right. The weights can help a lot when you ride a lot of country/rough roads too.
And for the less experienced young'uns, shaving 500grams won't help you go faster off the lights, you should never get lighter weights like the anodized ally ones.
Very good points. Being the pianist, I came to the same conclusions! Thanks.
@@tomislavstanich9379 Hope you don't get it too bad bud. It's a real downer when you can't do the things you like in life.
@@JuxZeil First of I am not your bud! What is your point? I just do exactly I like, due to the limitations of reality around us. Instead of hiding your identity, I am just realising about your shady hiding character.
@@tomislavstanich9379 Ok mate, just trying to be civil...have a nice life anyway. 🤨
@@JuxZeil Oohhh, ... how nice of you, ... I am so excited! Being civil is not the same as cynical, what you are. Your own insecurity leave to someone who is close to you. I am NOT! Have a noce life, anyway?
I have a cruiser bike, would also like to own a sport bike but never rode a sport bike, is it more difficult to ride a sport bike?
Thanks for your excellent videos
what about the resistance of the throttle ? i tend to squeeze the throttle due to the spring trying to pull the throttle back
get a looser throttle
ive got reynards syndrome so i get bad circulation in my fingers. I dont grip as hard now and also i have heated grips and can ride up to an hour at a time without it getting too bad
I don't have problems with my left hand, my right hand goes numb. I have carpal tunnel in my right hand and is affected by the throttle movement. I had to put a throttle lock on the bike to help. I have tried holding at different angles and even less grip. I was supposed to have surgery to fix it like I did on the left side. Some people may not really know they have carpal tunnel until they do something like ride a bike. This won't stop me from riding.
Please can you do a video of explaining when you push left you go left, if you push left doesn’t that turn the wheel right slightly to go right? I know your statement is correct because my instructor also said the same thing push in the direction you want to go, but please can you show us in more detail the physics behind this on your bike maybe? Many thanks btw for all your content and help :)
Can try searching up counter steer! :)
With one you’re pushing u go to the same direction u pushing, and the other one if you pull towards you the bike will go to the opposite direction you’re pulling. (Pulling/pushing )
I think that squeezing too hard will make your hands numb even with the engine off. Same thing happens with the steering wheel of a car or yoke of an airplane. I don't think the engine vibrations or even rough roads are the cause.
Some bar-end weights are absolutely pointless.. the Renthal ones that were on my K4 Bandit 600 weighed nothing. Swapped the fixings out of them and put them in the original bar-end weights and mounted them on the bike... They're seriously heavy compared to the aforementioned. Makes a big difference. Heated grips as well.... Yes, on Renthal bars, heated-grips and original bar-end weights. Also, thin gloves are crap, I'd rather have sweaty hands than rattled one's.
could grip size be a factor? bmw adventure bikes are small, cruiser grips are bigger.
I previously treated patients with Carpal tunnel syndome by providing wrist/hand braces. CTS is typically an "overuse syndrome". I also ride and at times experienced hand numbness. You are right on about the wrist hand angle in reducing numbness. Most CTS symptoms occur due to wrists being flexed downwards while using computer keyboards for extended periods, imagine sitting in a low chair with a keyboard on an elevated table during use. A chair which places you higher and causes your wrists/ hands to be extended upwards is better and reduces the constriction around the carpal tunnel, which is on the underside of the wrists, and usually relieves the numbness. Great advice on bike positional corrections Greg! Also need to constantly remind myself of this while riding.
Thought it was my X-r vibrations but it was carpal tunnel syndrome. Eliminate those discussed here first but Don’t ignore CTS as it can lead to permanent nerve and muscle damage
@MotoJitsu So why do my fingers go numb when I don't actually grip the bar and what do I do about that? I mostly ride with my index and middle finger laying on the clutch lever and the ring and little finger barely gripping, yet two to three fingers will frequently go numb. I ride similar on the throttle side too, but rarely have an issue there. Also no pressure on wrists, the bikes are dual sport and standard street.
My hands go numb on a bicycle or pushing a stroller, or even long car rides. I have issues with my motorcycle of course
@MotoJitsu I'm a new rider riding a naked bike. Weirdly enough only my right hand numbs up everytime, not my left. Although im def not loose enough on the bike
So what about when my hands go numb when I’m cruising on the highway with cruise control and barely even touching the grips? Doesn’t happen at all while around town but just cruising on the highway it does
Love it" lion King 🦁
I can tell you, I have a pinched spinal chord in my neck if I put my hands over the shoulder my hand goes numb in a few minutes. I can't do work well with anything over my head. So ape hangars are out for me lol I would not be able to do that.
I have to ride 6 km of loose gravel on my Bonneville before hitting pavement. I find that with a really light grip and letting the bike dance a little I can traverse the distance safely at about 40 kmh in third gear. A higher gear gives a less rapid response, If I tighten the grip the ditch looms and it’s a steep ditch.
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Watch a shoulder cam from a GP rider. Their hands are so loose on the grips it’s crazy. Looks like they’re barely holding on.
I dig the piano references.
Mine only really go numb when I’m up at highway speeds. I have a Harley Sportster and it’s only a 5 speed, so once I’m up in those highway speeds in 5th gear, the RPMS are high and I feel like I’m sitting on a human size vibrator lol
the advice I heard from my instructor was to pretend we had t-rex arms and stupid as it sounds it works
Some bikes have bad vibration at certain ram's. Loosen that grip.