S1 E5: New Zealand Wars (Part 1) | RNZ
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- Waikato Māori had been steadfast allies of Pākehā but the hunger for land from influential colonists and the rise of Kingitanga encourages Governor George Grey to launch a massive invasion. The war is devastating for Māori but the fighting is not as one-sided as the British expect.
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Thanks for this series, I'm really enjoying it as a refresher course on the NZ history that I learned - some of it in school, some of it in books such as Michael King's book that you have on your desk during this episode. If some viewers feel that it is skewed in favour of Māori and against Pakeha, they should consider that most of our taught history has been vastly skewed in the other direction. It's time for us Pakeha to look at our history from the other side.
Glad you enjoyed it Kate!
#KateLattey bang on there...
True, theres always two sides to the story
@Leomana Addo-Fung That's racist
Thank you Kate it is very rare to see a pakeha admit the wrong doings that happened to maori by europeans.
The image of Governor Gore-Browne used at 6:54 is used again, incorrectly, at 10:55 for Lieutenant-General Duncan Cameron.
Appreciate they are similar looking!
We're using this for class basically all the time now and the info is really useful so thanks
You're welcome. Glad it's useful.
Same
yr full of shit who gave you that title to write the bull shit and ignore the blood that flows in the veins of our kin alive today@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow
Forgotten to mention that Te Ati Awa tribe had sold the site of wellington to the NZ Company on September 27 1839. Unfortunately much to the annoyance Ngati Raukawa this included not just tomahawkes and cartouche boxes, but powder, ball cartridges and muskets. Te Rauparaha had to get in on the actand sell more land so that he could purchase muskets for protection not against settlers but Wiremu Kingi.
more bullshit and the decendents of TE RAUPARAHA live close by and did not sell the land the tokutoku panels the maihi the amo THE TEKOTEKO remain
Te ati awa has thousands of people that document must be larger than the treaty of Waitangi
Well done guys - youve done a fantastic job just watched this with my 6 yr old who I thought would be bored, he wasn't and is excited about the next installment
That's lovely to hear. Must be a clever six year old!
that was a lot of just about half truth just saw this rubbish for the first time,it would be wise to look deeper the names that have been spoken namely POTATAU TE WHEROWERO is not one spoken lightly i question why would these two individuals speak so if not for ignorance ko wai korua this man is remembered in song carvings blood lines that can not be removed,TAUPIRI TE MAUNGA WAIKATO TE AWA POTATAu WHEROWHERO LORD OF THE WAIKATO
i like this strory thank you it
i have learnt alot about our history
Our class uses this for inquiry and it is very useful.
I love nz history this is a particularly interesting period of time in our history
Love the channel guys. One suggestion though - I don't think you guys need to 'take a position' on a lot of this stuff. Except for a few nutters, we all know that colonialism is bad. I don't think this show needs to resist colonial narratives or anything like that. Cos when the tone is skewed in one direction like that, it undercuts the complex truth of things, and it makes a viewer wonder "...was it actually that way though? I feel like there's more to it than that". But worse than that, when we put an editorial slant on history and leave out complex and uncomfortable truths/gaps in history, then we cede those things to racists. We give them space to make plausible counter-arguments, which some people will give a fair hearing. Like, "They didn't mention [fact x], which clearly happened. Therefore this show can't be trusted and colonialism was actually good." But yeah, I recognise that this is a complex task. No one wants to make ammunition for racists, and it can be hard to give the full context behind some of these events in an 18 minute episode
Thanks Aaron. You raise a good point that was very much in our mind as we made the series. As you say, it's complex and you're always walking a line. Any words you choose to describe and discuss history will be contentious and reveal biases. We fought hard against that and tried to balance a lot of competing takes on the same events. And yes, as you say, in short and accessible interviews much nuance and detail is going to be left out. He hope that if people are curious about certain events or dispute how we present things, they will go find other serious and reputable sources to dig further. Thanks for your thoughtful comment.
@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow Thanks for your thoughtful reply! And keep up the good work :)
@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow hi
@@ahorrell you sound intelligent pity you don't know enough about this topic to leave real information
A refreshingly sober and considered comment.
Make a video about pre treat history ,eg musket wars
Both the Moriori attack and the musket wars are dealt with in the series. This show is an introduction to a large swathe of history. For more detail on those stories and the many other parts of our history we only touch on, there are many books and other sources to go deeper.
Moriori were pacifists!! They never warred@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow
Absolutely loving this show. Mauri ora
Oh dear life goes on
Very interesting opinions.
History has several versions, not just the version taught by Europeans.
@@mikescudder4621 of course, there will always be manufactured narratives that attempt to rewrite and distort the truth and then of courses there's just complete rubbish like this one..
iv'e wanted to know more about nz wars
My class watches these videos ❤
Waikato was asked by sir George Grey for protection over Auckland...thus was agreed and signed by Potatau te wherowhero.
I know you have given it an excellent effort and this is good but i do not believe you have gone around to the descendants of these places and trully understand the true devastatation. A devastation thatbexists today resourbces language etc the pain and reminders everyday of our independance being pillaged..I challenge you to trully experience the suffering and made to be refugees on the land of our tupuna (ancestors).. this not a project of an essay form but must be given the integrity of healing the true painful and shameful past. Kia ora !! Whaia te iti kahurangi me tuohu koe he maunga teitei If you bow down let it only be a lofty mountain but lofty is what we give into buy also continuing to climb.
I'm currently studying the NZ wars are Uni right now and I have to say that although the general facts given here are correct, it is framed in an extremely slanted fashion. If you turned in a essay this slanted at Uni they would shred it with comments about how 1 sided it is. I get that one side is invading another and we all have a natural sense of injustice that kicks in but this is silly. You might as well paint helos on the Maoris and horns on the European characters.
The reality is that everyone involved at that time did not benefit from our modern view of people in the 'out group'. If you read the primary source material yourself you will find a hell of a lot more balance than is seen here.
Do you have a link to the primary source material
@@roryallen-qu3zw I don't have access to the university library since I finished my degree but there is a lot that is publicly available. Generally what was to check the sources of any of the secondary sources and check their citations, them google the names of the primaries listed. Most of that kind of thing exists somewhere on the net, just make sure to check that the translator doesn't have a bad reputation, and generally newer translations are better.
Grey was jealous and scared of indigenous sovereignty
@@toshadavinci5379 😂 it's funny how you down play the unconstitutional confiscation of millions aches of māori land and a strong loss of culture and identity for those descendants, te wherowhero was a warrior and a man a status a ruthless leader of his time just like grey but grey never fought in hand to hand combat and the slavery you talk about was part and parcel of that era not saying it was justified but you have to remember the slaves or mokai we're taken and usually had children to members of that hāpū over time they intergraded into that hāpū dynamic and we're given land some where intermarried with other hāpū to secure whakapapa with others and others become warriors for those particular hāpū. to say it's unbalanced is beyond the point the narrative of indigenous peoples in this country has been unbalanced for 100s of years.
@@aperaruapeeta4309 Grey founded Auckland Grammar School in the fervent hope that it would be open to all students in the Pacific. Now you have to be a millionaire to attend that school.
Rubbish. You are racist
Titokowaru was 1 of my great grandfathers
Didn’t. Know the Māori were doing weight lifting in the day must of missed that one
Does anyone know how Grey kept most of maori un united ? especially if kingitanga and other movements had united ,history would be completely different...He promised a royal bloodline half cast maori with blue blood, to the central island chiefs who had little to do with the northern consolidation. This is why they stayed loyal to the end as they were promised royal status to no avail. "Before everyone begins to dispute this" Dig, it wont be in books or history ,its a secret kept in many maori families around central north island...good luck.
We’re are the books written on this subject, at the time of these wars. It is all Chinese whispers . Of little truth.
brutal
It has always irked me that Auckland Grammar School has a large portrait of Governor Grey hanging in their hall. He had blood on his hands.
Are you able to name the schools he founded in NZ? And how he interpreted Maori myths amd legends for posterity's sake? And how he ensured that Maori had enfranchisement well before certain sections of society in Britain?And how he helped found the Auckland Library? How he tried to stand up to Cameron during the Waikato Wars? Unfortunately wars cost money as we should all know and whatever faults he had in his second administration he sought peace through confiscation. an industry that is now paying dividends for Maori iwi.
He helped educate them
There's a statue of Te Rauparaha in Otaki, who also had blood on his hands, from the iwi that he killed, not only that, but the All Blacks honored his haka ka mate, do you think we should get rid of that too?
@@thingme9941 nothing justifies killing women and children.
@@ihimaera7424 You are aware that Redhill in Papakura is named for a particular reason? Were any of the women and children given any consideration let alone individual plaques in commemoration? But there is a European plaque in Karaka Bay where over a thousand Maori were taken north and enslaved.
who else is watching this for school
Musket wars when Maori were killing each other over possession of land was weird
Not really. They were "all" into utu. Revenge
So much information about nz, so little interest from the people in nz to find the truth or to grow together
Many many centuries later we still dont want nothing to do with you
Gate Pa: Pukehinahina.
Is not a Ngai Te Rangi Iwi (Mataatua waka) battle. Ngai Te Rangi have been given credit for this battle and it is wrong.
The Tauranga Māori battle is fought and was planned on Nagti Ranginui Iwi soil who are Takitimu waka. Specifically with Hapu Ngai Tamarawaho on their whenua. 200 hundred Ngai Tamarawaho warriors fought in this battle as stated by Parone Koikoi.
The Kingitanga movement (the hauhau’s) was big with Ngai Tamarawaho that is why the Pokai comes to Huria each year and no where else.
Ngai Te Rangi were scouts and fought with the British (kupapa) in the next battle two months later at Te Ranga. Ngai Te Rangi under the new name of Tauranga Māori in the history books received money and land after their chiefs sign a peace treaty with Pakeha in Tauranga town.
All the warrior chiefs who fought were either dead, wounded or were hiding in the bush at Waitaha. No one was down in Tauranga to sign a peace treaty, only opportunist for land and money.
Ngati Ranginui was now written into history as one of the Hupu of Ngai Te Rangi.
It has taken a long time for Ngati Ranginui to be recognised as its own Iwi and that we are from Takitimu waka.
Another example of unbridled revisionism by the ANZ hosts,
"Gray wrote letters stating the Kingitanga movement were secretly planning to attack Auckland...Liar liar pants on fire...that was complete nonsense"
That is actually a lie or at least a half truth by the hosts,
"Rumours abounded that Auckland would be attacked. In fact the iwi later admitted they
had a plan to do so, but placed it in abeyance when Grey replaced Browne"
(from Page 6 of The Waikato War of 1863-64: A guide to the main events and sites, on the govts own site)
There was a plan initially to attack Auckland, so branding it as nonsense is not very truthful
At the very least this should have been mentioned in the show
You would have to question the research and impartiality of the current 'historian' they claim as a fact checker (can't remember the name they cited on an earlier video)
The older historians around at the time these events happened are probably more reliable than the current crop with a possible agenda, from my reading
Government document here: [ www.doc.govt.nz/documents/conservation/historic/by-region/waikato/waikato-war-of-1863-64.pdf ]
who said both races already form one harmonious community insensibly forming one people
probably someone who doesn't blame people for the sins of others
Maori were vicious
Shall NZ change the current name to: "Te-lka-Maui a Te-Waipounamu?"
ThE nEw ZeAlAnD wArS?!?! It ShOuLd bE cAlLeD tHe AoTeArOa WaRs!!!
I’ve always known it as the Maori Wars
@@dylanmurphy6894 Right, but how would you feel if it was called the Pākehā Wars? Either of these names seems to me to continue a conflict. Ultimately, it is now called the New Zealand wars as it was being fought for control over the state of New Zealand / Niu Tīreni -- which talks about something rather different than the name of the land, Aotearoa.
Māori are sovereign in Aotearoa. Ka whawhai tonu matou. All Iwi have the right to self-determination.
Much prefer M Kings account.....this is biased toward maori. Maori don't need biased accounts........maori history has a lot more to offer when understood in context with anti slavery laws.....those tabled by St Patrick of Ireland in terms.
Im 12 years old how am I suppose to know what game of thrones is ?
Fair point! We're glad you don't know about it aged 12. Suffice to say it's complicated and bloody.
I bet you wont create a video on the morimori genocide of 1835
Yes, it is not discussed enough. When people hear 'The Moriori genocide' most people have no idea what actually happened. "The Māori empire invaded New Zealand and ate the Moriori" when it was only 900 out of 100,000+ Māori from the 2 out of 165+ Māori tribes Ngāti Mutunga and Tama. Very poorly discussed topic.
@@qpishjunior4772 This is false. The Moriori people where a Maori Iwi who, after years of conflict with other Iwi decided to travel to the catham islands to live peacefully. When Ngai Tahu traveled to Catham island they found the Moriori and enslaved them. The myth about Moriori being in New Zealand first has been proven multiple times to be false and there was no such thing as the Maori empire, only seperate Waka making the journey from polynesia. Do your homework
lol at the 1 pakeha who missed the moriori episode..... and the point they made about typing up ya bolos in the comment section.
hey brodz
What you didnt mention is that Maori Tribes created pacts with British forces and used British forces to attack their enemies. It wasn't just battles between Maori and British.
Grey got some good land sale deals in the south, though Te Raupareha had taken large potions of Southern land and the greenstone supply by force before hand. You could have made an interesting parallel with that.
Hang on you brushed over the attack on the Rangiauwheria village there. When there is tragedy you speak from the Maori side. Why is it not of note that Colonel Marmaduke Nixon was shot and there was a break down in discipline amongst troops etc? You have time to speculate "maybe many more Maori (died)". But leave out know details.
You say its controversial. Though in a way suggest it was a deliberate attack on women and children.
Why is this history of the NZ wars written mainly from one perspective? And that perspective is crafted.
At the Ōrākau seige, Ngati Maniapoto chief Winitana Tupotahi suggested at a runanga, or council of chiefs, that they abandon the pā, but Rewi rejected the proposal. The British gave them a chance to surrender at Ōrākau and the it was refused. It is contested that those defiant words were said at that time. "(Some attribute these words to Rewi. However, in 1888 a veteran of the battle, Hitiri Te Paerata of the Ngāti Te Koheroa hapū (sub-tribe) of Ngāti Raukawa, gave an account of the conflict at Parliament buildings. He attributed the words collectively to Hapurona, Rewi, and his father."
"Rewi may not have spoken these words at Ōrākau, they reflected his attitude to the British invasion of Waikato. Earlier, at Ngāruawāhia, he is reported to have said: ‘Kāore ahau e whakaae kia mutu te whawhai, ko taku tohe ano tenei āke! āke! tonu atu!’ / I will not agree that the fighting shall cease, I will maintain this for ever and ever.)"
Anyway what should the British force had done in this moment of war? Just walked away? Maybe... and killing women is terrible. Though when we look at what happened to the Moriori and other tribal conflicts, such was not unheard of.
Hi there, thanks very much for your feedback
"What you didn't mention is that Maori Tribes created pacts with British forces..."
You may have missed it but we did cover this in a previous episode: czcams.com/video/7xc7GySsFuA/video.html
Regarding your points on Rangiaowhia and Ōrākau: I fully acknowledge this is a very tricky subject. We took advice from multiple historians on how to cover this segment - both Maori and Pakeha. I'm sorry if we missed some details and perspectives you consider important.
Shut up boy just watch the series idiot
tahi rua Quit playing victim there was nothing they could do against the British. The New Zealand we know today would be very different without their intervention
And also the first and second world wars are better candidates for the most important wars in new Zealand history
Well said , this channel only like's to show the side of history that they prefer
lol im from hamilton too
go to 6:05 in this with subtitles on
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the software isn't designed to handle language fusion. If you watch a video that was all in te reo Maori it would likely do a much better job.
Evidence on the Maori population isn't clear. Some say 100,000 in 1820, others say 150,000 around that time. These facts aren't 100%. Also the dodgy deals may have been done by TBTB ... not all settlers. The settlers were surviving... not thriving. Reminder the NZ company marketing was basically false ... this for profit business just wanted to ship ppl to NZ and make money. This company couldn't careless if these ppl survived or not.
Hi Jimmy. You make good points that echo what we said in the series. Population estimates do move around a bit and indeed you can't generalise about all settlers any more than you can generalise about any large group. And while there was undoubtedly some idealism behind the NZ Co as well as its desire for profit, it's true the NZ Co did so some false marketing. You might be interested in this podcast: www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/black-sheep/story/2018755209/colonial-mastermind-the-story-of-edward-gibbon-wakefield-part-1
Can you do one about Maori cannabisam Maori eating each other
That feels like a question designed to provoke rather than discuss, but yep cannibalism is covered in some episodes, one in particular that will be out in August.
@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow will be interesting a lot of nzers didn't realize they were practicing cannabisam right up to 1840 and is it right different tribes were eating each other resulting in a Maori population decrease I wounder if violence could be a genetic I know of a few Maori who are quite violent
@@raybreeze2841 I thnk it's a human trait but definitely sum people are more prone to violence
@@raybreeze2841 Hi Ray. Cannibalism was never extensive enough to have had an impact on population. And I'm sure you're aware that people of every ethnicity can be "quite violent" . if you look over world history you'll see violence is common to all humanity.
Resent times I feel Maori are showing more hate to white European causes I feel government making Maori special people looking back what have Maori achieved in nz
How great is it that they recently took down that statue of Hamilton!
It is being relocated not removed
Qpish Junior Oh really? Well that sucks!
Actually just like the statue of the slaver in America, it represented a new era, forgetting the incidents of the past.
Kyvrem The Destroyer And the removal of all those statues represents a newer, better era!
this comment is so racist towards white people
Te Ranga was a sly one bcuz after the British were defeated at Pukehinahina the chiefs arranged round twos with the Pākehā at a specific date, so the British went early and killed everyone that was working on the pā women and children and old people and all were thrown into the mass graves there. Now there’s the college of st Aquinas right by the pā and the kids there only read the bible they dont know what went down there
boo😖
videos are to long make them sorht
Kaimanawa Wall New Zealand stand by your wall. Look further back so we can move forward to our history full of truth - not political truth
Stephen, the wall has been shown to be a natural one and not any sign of an earlier civilisation. It's been debunked. teara.govt.nz/en/document/1603/the-kaimanawa-wall
Mate such a slanted view of things, let’s not forget Māori vs Māori long before Europeans arrived, murder, rape, cannibalism and slavery was all going on long before european
This is bad education...constitutional Korero might be good for yous to observe first...conference was held at Aucklad Law University...
New zealand
Please remember that atrocities occur in all wars but that is the nature of war, not the nature of Pakeha
chur
An interesting account, definitely biased towards the Maori account of things but more even than most I have seen. The narrative of Maori as always noble and the British as always scurrilous is quaint, human nature is not like this....neither for Maori nor Europeans.
Buhahaha 😂 😂 So the truth is skewed (biase) toward the Maori account?
😂😂😂
As a maori I actually agree with this statement
The British were the colonisers though
@@ExothermicRxn True, but NZ is considered a 1st world country, due mainly to colonisiation...
Stuck on aotea, Great Barrier Island in English, last of the governance grey prison island empire Missionary Society colonies still going strong arghh reserv6for humans non English after Christians planned to claim entire island to expand their empire in the mid 60s. Still pounds I think. Missionary gave me very severe TBI in cahoots with Goldman Sachs of America. Struggling for my life so learning all I can! The more I learn the more trouble I get into by upsetting the priests maori wife who hes always cheated on re his past and present & OMG, RELIGIOUS DRAMA now has ne drug drama over panadol for my pains, head and teeth. And OMG. PEOPLE Re dying cos of this un told politics religious politics same as every religious war
Interestingly most of what these commentators know will be from europeans who recorded the history. Many iwi were happy to sell land as they could not protect it from other iwi. The taranaki war started as one iwi would not reconise the rights of another iwi to sell land. Please report that many dubious land sales were over turned after the treaty signing. Protection is the most important promise in the treaty. From who. Please think the iwi wanted protection from? Any treaty agreements were verbal as most who signed were illiterate!
[reference goes here] if You got no reference which in your case you don't, your comment should begin with the words... "in my opinion"
@@MotivationNation-mw9gi I would agree that my comments are my opinion. Maybe the commentators should have also expressed that a number of their statements are their opinion! None of us can be 100% sure of what really happened in all aspects of the NZ Wars. Unfortunately war rarely follows a rule book!
maori lost land to maori in musket war
Did that fro eons
If you are watching this. You really need to go to the original source material yourself. This documentary is obviously divisive and fails to take into account the good things that happened in difficult times; just more divide and conquer. The presenters might even be sincere. But they are victims themselves of identity politics. And that is the problem. New Zealanders in general have a poor understanding of who they are and where they come from, and it's not really their fault. But if you don't know your own truth you will believe someone else's lie. The people referred to in this documentary knew who they were. You probably don't. And that children are being taught this in government schools tells me, ideologically speaking, New Zealand is toast. Unless as the Lorax says.
Maori had this Land for over 1200 years and what did they achieve seriously what??
your wrong we still hold soverinty we were never defeated so no conquest no surrender you lied and cheated
Maori had no written language, therefore, a lot of this is absolute garbage !!
Boring
Learning isn't always fun so if you dont want to learn dont watch it.
I have to watch it
Ben Bradley same
@SilvenGames yep for lockdown school
oh this is ben bradley acc
you clowens are not even close nor do you know TIKANGA your expression of lies be it apon you it is amasing the level of deceit you are willing to speak the mapping of history is sung in waiata and story carvings and the line of decendent and the blood lines remain
rubbish one sided view as per norm from maori ,
Lol what an hilarious propaganda show. While some of what was said is true, much of it is demonstrably false.
Yup
Demonstrate then instead sowing doubt and division. Way to try and spoil a good show