Is Vegan Food Cheap? I Analyzed 11,000 Foods to Find Out
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
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In this video I analyzed the price and nutritional facts of 11000 products of a Dutch supermarket (Albert Heijn) and tried to determine if vegan food is cheaper than animal-based food. This video was not sponsored by Albert Heijn.
⌛️Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
00:25 - Background
01:24 - Getting the data
02:09 - Cost of calories
02:09 - Cheapest sources of calories
03:25 - Cheapest sources of protein
04:07 - Thumbnail clickbait foods
04:21 - Cheap protein sources are not always good protein sources
05:34 - Protein price vs protein rate
07:05 - Cheapest sources of protein with more than 20% protein
07:41 - Cheapest sources of protein with more than 40% protein
08:14 - Low-carb diets
09:08 - Cheapest sources of protein with more than 20% protein and less than 20% carbs
09:23 - Conclusions
09:39 - Credits
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A few remarks based on input received in the comments:
1. An important point not covered it the video: Not all protein is equal. Different sources of protein are processed differently by the body due to varying absorption rates and levels of essential and non-essential amino acids. Therefore, you should not base your diet choices solely on the protein amounts shown in the tables of this video! I recommend that you combine them with your own research as well
2. At 04:14, I state that flour isn't a good source of protein. It should be noted that flour can be processed into seitan, which has a much higher protein rate. Therefore, the argument is only valid under the assumption that we are not processing the product further.
3. The vitamin, mineral and dietary fiber contents of the products were out of scope for this video
4. At 00:35, I state that "Avoiding meat and dairy is the single biggest way to reduce our environmental impact on earth". The sentence should have been rephrased to "According to a study, ..." as it is not an absolute fact, but the conclusion of a single study
This video basically just says that any normal person can have a balanced and healthy vegan diet.
If your not breaking down numbers using the bioavailability of different proteins then you are not getting realistic numbers. If you wanted useful data then you would have to run your current numbers with something like PDCAAS, which while flawed would've given you much better stats.
Take my opinion with a grain of salt though, as I'm not a nutritionists and only have minimal knowledge on the topic.
The rigor is commendable.
@@jimmy_james0007 you'll need to make several combinations of foods that fit the optimal nutritional needs of humans at the cheapest cost to cater to the concept of choice or you could simply live like how a livestock lives and eat the most cheapest combination available at a given location. I know these are not stats, sorry if I bothered you I just want to point out a simple suggestion for those interested in cheap nutrition.
@@lelouchsiege I don't really understand what you are trying to say. Of course choice is an important factor, but if your aim is to find the cheapest and most healthy food possible then choice is irrelevant.
For the average Jo this cost/nutrients are not really important but for organisation who care a great deal about things like this, for example governments and WHO, this stuff is really important and as such have standard methods to measure these factors. The OP used none of these methods and instead came up with his own which is almost completely useless without the protein availability factored in as well.
This is actually a fun project. As someone whose working in data science and is into food/nutrition. I really appreciate the flow. Especially when you made it into a 3d scatter plot.
Such a great video. I loved that you plotted a third variable. I think a video exploring more of the cheapest vegan foods would be very interesting.
Hey, I just wanted to mention that I really enjoyed this video and hope you'll continue to make many more! As someone with a research background in psych/neuro cog, I appreciate how you present everything and disclose possible limitations in what you're talking about
Can't believe this is the first video on this channel, very well put together and practical.
Never subbed under 1k before. I feel like a VIP. I appreciate the entertaining but informative nature of your video. As someone who eats vegan 95% of the time, I appreciate you voicing facts about how beneficial a vegan diet can be for our planet.
I think one flawed aspect with these statistics is the fact that flour isn't edible on its own. You need to mix it in water and bake/cook it to create whatever you want. Unless you make bread or pasta at home, it's not a good element for this research as things like bread or pasta do cost more. Other than that, amazing video
I just want to express my respect the effort you put into making these quilty videos, from animations to dubbing, explanations to the content. Its just amazing. Keep it up !
If you factor in the billions of dollars subsidizing the corn, industrial farm meat, and dairy industries... that would reduce the REAL affordability of these products.
He isnt in america though.
Europe also has significant subsidies for these categories. From what I can tell (older study), they may even have more direct subsidies for meat and eggs (page 23 of this: www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/outlooks/40408/30643_wrs0404c_002.pdf?v=5505 ).
@@DerekHardwickso if you include those subsidiaries meat should be even more expensive for the buck
Correct, even when considering the fact that he checked prices in a European country rather than the US, meat is only affordable due to subsidies.
It's easy to reason out why, wheat (thus flour) comes from literal grass, cattle eat grass. You need to raise cattle on grass, a lifetime of eating said grass, just to kill it and eat meat once (sure you'd feed more than a family, but it's only done once). One might argue that flour is a highly refined product, and to a certain extent it is, however the amount of refineing boils down to harvest, trashing (seperating the germ) and grinding. All historically done with either hand tools or wind power. Cattle requires feeding for weeks/months of pretty much the same product. The cow's body does the refining thus we don't really see it happening, then we kill and butcher the meat. It looks equal or even less, but one does not really consider what the body of the animal is doing to the feed to convert it into meat.
Traditional cattle used to graze on hills where only grass could grow. I don't have data on how much farming is done to grow feed for cattle, but it is obvious that it is way more than what tradition dictates
I believe that if you consider the traditional county system, where rural people used to keep chickens for eggs, and feed them left over food scraps, including the inedible parts of vegetables, such as stalks and leafs, along with any spoiled products, so essentially waste. Then eggs would be the cheapest source of protein
Very nice analyses.
And guess what, the video was followed directly by an advertisement of... you guessed it, Albert Heijn!
Great video! I think another good way of exploring the difference in price between the two diets would've been to compare the prices of the cheapest combinations of foods that comprise a balanced macro intake, that being ~1000kcal from carbs and ~500kcal from both protein and fat each. You could then get a more concrete idea of whether an omnivorous or vegan diet is more affordable at the cheapest level.
I fully agree, great idea; if you eat wholegrain bread and oatmeal, you already take in a lot more proteins 'cheaply', compared to people that eat white bread for instance
I was thinking the same! But it seems difficult to evaluate all combinations of foods since it can become computationally intractable real quick.
Amazing! I learned a lot and really enjoyed the no-BS approach, presenting everything with data. Your approach to the protein-fat-carbon analysis really blew my mind! Please keep releasing more videos 🙏
I really love your style (explanations, animations, visualization, sounds, letting viewers guess and your progress through the data/video). Beautiful 3D analysis! Please keep on like that! As addition to your analysis: It may be possible to get cheap vegan protein, but you also have to consider the sheer amount of mass you would have to eat. Nobody can eat, let's say, 5kg/day of rice/potatoes/... just to get enough proteins. Even 1 kg beans that get heavier when bioled in water. And protein shakes/powder with concentrated (vegan) proteins (with a human-friendly protein profile of mixed vegan sources) could be taken into consideration. In my own calculation, cheaper protein powder (500g with ~70% protein for 10€) is very cheap in comparison to eggs, cheese, ham and stuff.
The animations are great and easy to understand. Also great research!
the effort is insane and makes the video so fascinating to watch. tysm for such a nice, informative video. more exiting than most of the videos on CZcams
Fantastic content so far, really appreciate how many things you disclose, it really paints the picture of the analysis so much better.
I just stumbled onto this channel today and I'm utterly fascinated. Good work!
Dude this is amazing. Thank you. Also, making the data available for us is huge. Good luck with growing this channel
A great first video. I hope you get 100k subs before the end of this year.
Wonderful, quality and reliable work. Glad I found this channel in it's infancy.
Such a great idea for a video. Really nice production quality as well. I was wondering how you did the animation of the graphs and you even gave resources and software at the end. Brilliant
Very interesting conclusion. Keep up the good work, simply put with great visuals 👌
Love your graphs and data! Super simple to understand with the animation as well
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Very good animations & explanations! I would have loved it if you would have coloured the data points on the plots in 2 different colours to see a general distribution of the data points. Summing up very similar items into single data points would also have given more information in the top 2 lists. Keep up the good work 👏
Really good video and I'm glad you acknowledged where you fell short with the information in the comments. I look forward to your next video!
I'd love to see more of this! "This" meaning "videos that objectively analyze data, show sources if appropriate and mention if information is simplified or unrealistic".
Video and Audio quality is very high! I like that! Content quality also seems very high (did not verify sources).
Beautiful analysis and editing!
Great content, you're going to make it to 1 million subs very quick at this rate! I recommend looking at decreasing your mics bass in the EQ as it's quite boomy!
Thanks for the hint!
Very useful information! Thank you for compiling this
this is amazing! Kepp up the good work!
Randomly found this video, very valid points, keep up the data quest!
I’ve been tracking my calories for over 6 years, fastidiously looking at macronutrients for a plethora of foods over the years. This video was very well made and informative!
Thanks! Really like your content and the clean aesthetics. Chapeau!
Thank you very much!
Thank you for making this. I appreciate the clarity, the visuals and the summation.
I am going to subscribe to this channel. If you have a patreon, I am happy to pledge some dollars if it means you can keep making these.
Wow this is an amazing video, I loved when you made the 3D scatter plot.
Great analysis and nice data visuals too, subbed! Now I just need AH to open a store in the center of Brussels :D
Great video.
Very interesting topic, nice animations, good commenting voice and sturdy data to back it all up.
Keep up the good work 👍
You kinda missed one big point.
Vegans are used to traditionally doing a lot of post-purchase processing, requiring a bowl and water. So in the case of the cheapest, flour, source of protein they are washing out everything (the starch aka most of the carbs) at home to make the seitan out of it (just the gluten protein). So it isn't a lot of carbs and the macro split is completely different but the price is still dirt cheap. Being a vegan comes in two camps, junk food veganism IS expensive because the products are produced in much lower quantities, but traditional veganism is basically always the cheapest way to eat in nearly all location do to trophic effects, there's a few exceptions to this rule in secluded ecologies with extreme climates but outside those and with regards to every city dweller dependent on a global supply chain - it will always be true.
Thank you for your comment, I was not aware of how seitan is made.
Having learned more about seitan I agree with you: It's probably not fair to label flour as bad source of cheap protein if you can easily process it into a higher protein source.
@@memeabledata I was very surprised to find that products like vital wheat gluten and textured vegetable protein didn't appear anywhere on your list, considering that that they are something like 75% protein and dirt cheap. I wonder if that store just doesn't stock them.
You're right, it doesn't stock them. None of the Dutch supermarkets do - there's generally a good selection of fake meats, but only the type you can just pan-fry without prior treatment.
Top video.
It is all very well explained.
You learn a lot of things and the conclusion is clearly not what you could expect.
This is great! You got something special started, keep it up!
Pleaseee post more videos , being an aspiring data analyst myself i love the videos you are making
Incredible content. Keep it up!
Really good video!
There are so many further things one could consider. One of them is:
Different foods have their macronutrients in different ways so the human nody cannot absorb all of them in the same way. So some protein sources may be hard to process and not all of the protein gets absorbed.
Wow you really put a lot of effort into that video. Thank you
Wow what a great video. Instantly subbed and very excited to see more from you!
Phenomenal analysis and visuals. What tools did you use to generate the visuals? They looked great! Especially the animations and 3D graphs
Thanks! You can check the credits at 9:50, I used multiple programs.
The 3D animations (including the scatter plots) were made in Blender (scripted with Python)
This was great! I'm looking forward to more.
Daamn what a well done video. Great work
thank you bro. this is a real thing that I've always been looking for in regards to data 😂
for real
and you crazy! the way you present, collected e picked the data is crazy
Nice video! I started with your most recent video on dating apps, so I figured I might as well watch the first. I subscribed!
Omg. This was so well done!
Great video to start your channel! Keep going! I'm looking to see more :)
Such a great video, I'm subscribed! Thanks Luís
Thank you!
Such a well-made analysis. I really like your content. You just made a sub 👍
Great video, though I think that you also left out another major factor which can impact the choices that people make: time and transportation. I don't know about the Netherlands, but here in the US food deserts are a huge issue especially in lower-income communities. Since a lot of affordable fresh produce and other high-quality foods are often located in supermarkets where you need a car to get to, this poses a huge barrier to people who don't drive due to financial or other reasons. As a result, they're more likely to rely on the local corner store that sells highly-processed foods.
Transportation is not an issue and The Netherlands is in the top 5 of biggest agricultural exporters worldwide. So enough food.
That's probably true for the US, but I think it doesn't apply to most countries in Europe where we have a good, varied supply in many different brands of supermarkets. And probably it explains the very different rate of obesity in the EU vs US. In the case of the Netherlands, the generalized use of bicycles by people of all ages might be a confounding variable though 😅
Great video. I’ve been vegan for nearly 12 years and always found it strange when people think it’s expensive - it’s not as your video demonstrates.
Thank you for this code, I built a shopping app that I can use to help compare prices but this will automate the most time consuming part.
Super awesome video! Could you maybe do a video about the data downloading process from the website?
Thanks! I’m not planning on making a video on that but you can find the python code linked in the description
Great job! Really interesting idea 🤙
Fantastic dude. Good luck. I'm subbeded
Sick editing and interesting content 😊
An interesting breakdown of the topic! 👌🏻
I subbed a 4.9k this is a reminder of how VIP I feel sir. Great video.
Fantastic video! loved it ❤
Very nice video! I loved every bit of it! Please continue with more videos and let the channel grow.
Such good presentation and analysis! Easy sub for me! I'm also going to forward to some nerdy friends. We love this stuff!
Thanks!
I think it is important to understand that every individual person is going to eat at a different price. Some are more crafty and put more effort into cooking than others. Some also need more/less calories. Some have absolutely no idea how to cook or be resourceful and they end up paying more for vegan branded foods that are expensive.
Keep up the magnificent work - the sky's the limit!
Fantastic viz, well done Luis. And AH forever!
Bravo presentation of data. Just subscribed for your channel.
Very insightful!
wow!! Good work here, thank you.
The conclusion I am drawing from this is to run to AH to buy more frikandellen 🤓
Great video! Subscribed.
Nice approach and thanks for naming some of the problems about meat consumption and production at the start.
Though not your focus, I would have loved a critical, science based view on "low carb", which basically is much less healthy than widely seen.
Yo this channel's gonna pop off
Appreciate the objective approach. I personally need a low carb diet so meat and dairy is a must for me. It's also difficult to take long term effect on health into the equation because it varies so wildly from person to person.
How do u make your videos man it's really good
Thanks! I’m making my animations in Blender. You can find more information in the first link in the description
It’s disgusting how many people have no problem with how animals are being held in industrial meat farming facilities as long as the meat is cheap
Very interesting video, thanks! I think it would had been interesting to mention that most vegan and vegetarian combine different types of protein sources. In my experience of now 11 months of almost vegan nutrition (around 95% whole plant based), I'm spending about half of what I was spending before. Also in the EU, so with a similar price structure to the one you studied.
Very nice video.What software did you use to create the animations?
Check the credits (9:50), I used multiple programs
I liked your video and was nice made, but i will add one thing the problem with plant based proteins is the proteins that are coming from plants are not so good absorbed by the body, the best example is gluten proteins that comes from flour if you eat 100g of gluten protein your body will absorb only 54g, for beans is a little better is somewhere 80% of the protein your body can absorb, in my opinion the best option for plant based proteins is tofu or legumes, o try yo not eat so much meat and the solution for my is Beans and eggs to have my proteins.
It should be noted that recommended daily intake of protein already accounts for this lower bioavailability. The recommended daily intake is based on clinical outcome data, and most people get at least 40% of their protein from plant-based sources, and largely from grains or legumes.
Another issue is that those bioavailability studies were often done on raw foods in rats. Not necessarily applicable to humans: it could be better or worse.
Nice content! Can we learn more about vegetarian and pescotarian diets as well?
Awesome video!! 👌
Great video! Please make a video on how to make a vegan diet for bodybuilders
Muito interessante. Bom take sobre o assunto . Tens de incluir a soja agora 👍
Great vid, that detail and research is totally insane. Also, I'll keep meat in my personal menu...cuz it tastes mega awesome 😅
insanely well done
Top video, very interesting 👍🏽
the scatter plot was fascinating to look at
u deserve more subs man
Micronutirients are more important than macronutrients. It's quite hard to get too little of any macronutrient, unless you are doing something really funky with your diet.
More interesting than the single cheapest product would be the cheapest product mix to achive a viable diet.
Maybe as much wheat/bread as possible offset with a small amount of expensive high protein food is better?
Or is more of a medium protein content food cheaper?
When things like vitamins are added to the equation quite a bit of number crunching would be required to get the optimal solution i think.
Nice video! Greetings from NL
Thanks!
Great video! Would this also be possible for products from Lidl or other dutch supermarkets?
or for raw foods like vegetables and to make recipies?
Thank you! At the moment I am not planning to repeat this analysis for other supermarkets. It was quite time consuming to do it for a single supermarket :)
Including recipes is also out of scope for this channel as my goal is not to recommend any particular combination of foods. I prefer to leave that up to the viewer
@@memeabledata great thanks! I know a little bit of Python, so I might give it a try, although I expect Lidl and others to make it harder to collect the data. I might try Jumbo, I believe they also have more data on their website. Thanks, very inspiring video!
Amazing video!
Great Video(s)!
7:32 I'm surprised you haven't combined these metrics into "Price per unit of protein", it seems like an easier way of parsing thd data, but I suppose the end result is the same
An average of 10K subs per video? Well done! ✔️
At 0:00 a legend was born