I was actually Origin's first employee and first off I really appreciate the honest review! I'm also a 41 year old brown belt that's been training for 15 years so I understand hahahaha. I went to a textile seminar (not really as fun as a bjj seminar I promise) and they explained pilling to me. Pilling is the sign of a strong textile in the fabric. The yarn is made up of short staple fibers spun together and cotton has a VERY short staple fiber which makes it rip very easily but it make it so the pilling actually falls off very easily so you don't see it. Our jackets use our PolySynth yarn which has a much longer staple fiber which makes it way stronger than cotton and hydrophobic so it doesn't absorb sweat. But since the staple fibers are so much stronger when the fabric pills it doesn't always fall off naturally. That's why you don't usually see pilling in cotton but you do in wool (because the fiber is longer). Again I loved the video, good luck working towards your black belt and keep up the great videos!!!!
Thank you, brother for the comment and the education. I truly do love what Origin is doing and glad the pilling is a sign that the gi is getting better!
I am looking for a new gi. I am 53 now, and it is getting more difficult to lug the weight of a normal gi. I want something like the Ouahu (?) gis that were popular 10 years ago. Not a bit of luck finding something like that now though. I tried to buy a bamboo gi when Scotty was still making them for his OTM gis, but they are no longer available, either. So, I am looking for a great, lightweight, comp-friendly gi. I don't care about IBJJA rules, but I do want a gi that is comparable to comp gi style so that those rolling with me can still get a real tournament feel. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Also, I don't REALLY care about price, but obviously, I would like the best deal I can get. If it means I have to spend more to get exactly what I want that is fine, though. Thanks for any suggestions. Roll On! The Jits Fits: Jiu Jitsu Fiends Club Chadillac 765 210 0123 P.S. I am always looking to sponsor up-and-coming hard-core JJ competitors! If you like The Jits Fits say so and I can send you some stickers to see if we mesh well before sponsoring new talent.
@@chadwagoner7056 I would go with any of the Nano Pearl gi's by Origin. Lightweight, fast drying, and super comfortable! For the pants, any of the Origin pro pants are great.
Dude, thanks for the review. I can say that Origin is the only company that makes its GIs. Every other company uses contact plants overseas to make the product. We have spent years trying to reinvent the GI, and we are Still looking for ways to make it better! On the Pilling that your seeing, this is because we use our own blend of fibers to make our fabric. Other companies use 100% cotton, which anyone that knows fabric cotton is the worst fabric to train/sweat in. That's also why their gi's shrink and ours don't. Back before I started working at Origin, I got my first Origin Gi in 2017. I had the same questions, why is it pilling, and is this a bad thing. I reached out to Jon at Origin, and he explained the process of making fabric and what that means. In short, the process of pilling isn't bad, nor does it mean that the fabric is of less quality. Due to our fabric, when it pills, it makes the weave even strong. We have never had a Gi fail or tear due to manufacturing issues which I don't think any other company can say. I've seen Origin Gi's that are 8 years old and look like they have been worn every day, and they are still holding strong! Again thanks for the reviews, and Keep up the videos! If you ever need anything, Reach out to me on IG. I know in time we will become your fav gi! On IBJJF, our Peal weave is allowed in IBJJF but not the Dragon weave. They have some strange rules. They don't like the belt system, so that is why we put a rope in all orders.
I have both the Path and Atleta gi which are the pearl weave made before the nanopearl weave. I believe that the paperwork for those says that pilling is normal and that you can shave it off with a lint shaver or let it come free on its own through hard rolling. Thanks for sharing the info as I am looking into getting a Shoyoroll in the future when I see a design that speaks to me.
I have an Origin Apache gi with the pro pants (black) which I absolutely love, it’s the perfect summer weight gi. However, I just ordered their brand new Raptor Axiom in white and I’m stunned by the quality it has. I can only compare it to a fine Persian rug, it looks amazing and feels like silk. Yeah, a sandpaper gi is probably better for your opponent but wow, this is something else.
Lately they drop the price on the kimono and pants when you buy them together. The minimalist low amounts of branding is cool too. Thanks for the video.
@@Jiujitsu.pilgrim Huge fan of the 93 Brand because of this reason (minimal branding). But let me know when you decide/if you ever get the Origin axiom gi. I think I remember seeing you say that you purchased one. Curious to see what you think of it!
I’ve had an Origin gi for two years now and can say that the pilling is only temporary. Also, as someone who sweats excessively, my Origin gi excels beyond any other clothing I’ve ever worn regardless of the activity (BJJ, running, weight training, etc).
I have a batch 7 SYR.. i believe it came out in 09 {I was a purple belt then) … when I had my own academy origin sent me and my partner free gis to try . I gave mine away , I don’t like the cut, .. Tatami makes great cut gis too
My Origin Rift is BY FAR the most comfortable gi kimono I’ve ever worn - but it is not the best fit. I have many (many!) gis; Shoyoroll, A&P, Kingz, CTRL, Fuji, Hiro, others - Origin is by far the best fabric. It is never stiff or rough, it is always soft and comfortable. My biggest complaint- the sleeves are VERY short. It’s not a shrinkage issue, it’s just the cut. I don’t even have long arms, they’re just cut super short. I also LOVE the pro pants with the swivel buckle belt; it NEVER comes undone, and I never feel the buckle against my body. It’s moisture wicking, and breathes more than any article of clothing. And given the uptick in the cost of other gis out there, it’s not even that much more expensive.
what height and weight are you? I want to buy one of these. I am 5 foot 6 175 lbs. I have fuji all around in size A1 and the pants are fine and the top is ok but its a little short to my liking. Just wondering what size I might like in these two options
I have 5 origin gis and i love them all. All but two are different styles. I hate training in the gi, always have and always will but when i am forced and or coerced into to doing so it will be in a Origin gi. Had a bunch of other brands and they all sucked but when i put on my first Origin gi i was like "this don't suck". I know Origin would want a better more detailed explination but from a person that absolutely despises training in the gi you can't get a higher compliment. " At Origin, we don't suck". America
If it pills buy a $10 fabric shaver. Origin gis are like Ferrari's of the gi world. They need some upkeep. I trained with a girl that had a butt load of makeup on and it was all over my Origin gi. One spray of tide spray and it came right off. I fabric-shave the gi once a month. It looks great and smells great if you spray it after every roll.
All that shoyoroll has going for it now a days is decent fit, if you like a slim cut gi. I have had expensive gis and cheap $65 gis. They have all lasted years. Any gi will eventually wear out but cheap ones usually will last a few years even if you beat on it everyday. Shoyoroll is not worth the money in my opinion, they are cheaply made in Pakistan. I have many that have crooked stitching and the pearl weave feels like any other gi on the market. Origin on the other hand is made in America by Americans and use premium materials and new innovations. Shoyoroll current designs are also horrible
I agree with you brother. I view shoyoroll as on the decline and Origin on an aggressive growth trajectory. And it’s true, I have two $120 Hayabusa gis that are in my top three favorites.
I agree, shrinking gi's are wack af, and i don't like the shoyoroll styles. I love shoyoroll the community aspect. Plus its hard for me to find a gi in my size at shoyoroll..that i like
I have competed at IBJJF open in the rift though and in other variations of their gi. It honestly depends on the ref sadly. That being said their Athleta is meant to be ibjjf legal.
Hello sir, I am on a quest to make the best BJJ apparel out there. I have nothing planned. But, with time I will deliver. Nice feedback on the videos! I'll take it into account.
The reason Original doesn’t shrink is the same reason it pulls, it’s made of polyester. Also look at all that gathering and pulling around your armhole on the original gi.
Also Origin looks like it weaves its own fabric. They are prob using America cotton (maybe mixed with poly) if so, American cotton is of lower quality only because it’s too costly here to add all processes that make cotton premium. Short cotton fibers that are “open end” and aren’t ringspun will pill like crazy.
@@Jiujitsu.pilgrim fabric is made by weaving yarn together. Yarn is made by spinning fibers together. Fibers are picked off a cotton pant. That raw fiber is rough and has a lot of debris in it... If that raw unfiltered fiber, is spun in to yarn, that yarn will produce sub premium fabric... On the other hand Premium fabric is made by removing the debris, and then combing the fiber to filter all particles so that you're left with smooth soft small fibers of cotton. That make much better quality and pure fabric.
I was actually Origin's first employee and first off I really appreciate the honest review! I'm also a 41 year old brown belt that's been training for 15 years so I understand hahahaha. I went to a textile seminar (not really as fun as a bjj seminar I promise) and they explained pilling to me. Pilling is the sign of a strong textile in the fabric. The yarn is made up of short staple fibers spun together and cotton has a VERY short staple fiber which makes it rip very easily but it make it so the pilling actually falls off very easily so you don't see it. Our jackets use our PolySynth yarn which has a much longer staple fiber which makes it way stronger than cotton and hydrophobic so it doesn't absorb sweat. But since the staple fibers are so much stronger when the fabric pills it doesn't always fall off naturally. That's why you don't usually see pilling in cotton but you do in wool (because the fiber is longer). Again I loved the video, good luck working towards your black belt and keep up the great videos!!!!
Thank you, brother for the comment and the education. I truly do love what Origin is doing and glad the pilling is a sign that the gi is getting better!
Thanks for explanation. I have 7 Origin Gis. They are the best and I don’t mind the piling. Just get the fabric shaver to fix and it’s fine.
Same
I am looking for a new gi.
I am 53 now, and it is getting more difficult to lug the weight of a normal gi.
I want something like the Ouahu (?) gis that were popular 10 years ago. Not a bit of luck finding something like that now though.
I tried to buy a bamboo gi when Scotty was still making them for his OTM gis, but they are no longer available, either.
So, I am looking for a great, lightweight, comp-friendly gi.
I don't care about IBJJA rules, but I do want a gi that is comparable to comp gi style so that those rolling with me can still get a real tournament feel.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Also, I don't REALLY care about price, but obviously, I would like the best deal I can get. If it means I have to spend more to get exactly what I want that is fine, though.
Thanks for any suggestions.
Roll On!
The Jits Fits: Jiu Jitsu Fiends Club
Chadillac
765 210 0123
P.S. I am always looking to sponsor up-and-coming hard-core JJ competitors!
If you like The Jits Fits say so and I can send you some stickers to see if we mesh well before sponsoring new talent.
@@chadwagoner7056 I would go with any of the Nano Pearl gi's by Origin. Lightweight, fast drying, and super comfortable! For the pants, any of the Origin pro pants are great.
Dude, thanks for the review. I can say that Origin is the only company that makes its GIs. Every other company uses contact plants overseas to make the product. We have spent years trying to reinvent the GI, and we are Still looking for ways to make it better! On the Pilling that your seeing, this is because we use our own blend of fibers to make our fabric. Other companies use 100% cotton, which anyone that knows fabric cotton is the worst fabric to train/sweat in. That's also why their gi's shrink and ours don't. Back before I started working at Origin, I got my first Origin Gi in 2017. I had the same questions, why is it pilling, and is this a bad thing. I reached out to Jon at Origin, and he explained the process of making fabric and what that means. In short, the process of pilling isn't bad, nor does it mean that the fabric is of less quality. Due to our fabric, when it pills, it makes the weave even strong. We have never had a Gi fail or tear due to manufacturing issues which I don't think any other company can say. I've seen Origin Gi's that are 8 years old and look like they have been worn every day, and they are still holding strong! Again thanks for the reviews, and Keep up the videos! If you ever need anything, Reach out to me on IG. I know in time we will become your fav gi! On IBJJF, our Peal weave is allowed in IBJJF but not the Dragon weave. They have some strange rules. They don't like the belt system, so that is why we put a rope in all orders.
Damn, thanks for the education brother. Seriously appreciate you doing that because I do love Origin, but the pilling freaked me out.
I have both the Path and Atleta gi which are the pearl weave made before the nanopearl weave. I believe that the paperwork for those says that pilling is normal and that you can shave it off with a lint shaver or let it come free on its own through hard rolling. Thanks for sharing the info as I am looking into getting a Shoyoroll in the future when I see a design that speaks to me.
Thanks for the pro tip brother
I have an Origin Apache gi with the pro pants (black) which I absolutely love, it’s the perfect summer weight gi. However, I just ordered their brand new Raptor Axiom in white and I’m stunned by the quality it has. I can only compare it to a fine Persian rug, it looks amazing and feels like silk. Yeah, a sandpaper gi is probably better for your opponent but wow, this is something else.
I’m putting in an order for the Axiom this week!
Lately they drop the price on the kimono and pants when you buy them together. The minimalist low amounts of branding is cool too. Thanks for the video.
Agree 100000% on the minimal branding.
@@Jiujitsu.pilgrim Huge fan of the 93 Brand because of this reason (minimal branding). But let me know when you decide/if you ever get the Origin axiom gi. I think I remember seeing you say that you purchased one. Curious to see what you think of it!
Will do brother. Posting my review on the Rapter this week
Finally an answer to my prayers
Just a peasant blue belt here looking to upgrade my Gi stock from Sanabuls
To spicy
Haha!
I’ve had an Origin gi for two years now and can say that the pilling is only temporary. Also, as someone who sweats excessively, my Origin gi excels beyond any other clothing I’ve ever worn regardless of the activity (BJJ, running, weight training, etc).
Thanks for the insight. Which gi do you have?
@@Jiujitsu.pilgrim 10TH ANNIVERSARY BLACK AXIOM GI
Dope. I’m actually looking for the next one I want to buy from them but everything is out of stock.
I have a batch 7 SYR.. i believe it came out in 09 {I was a purple belt then) … when I had my own academy origin sent me and my partner free gis to try . I gave mine away , I don’t like the cut, .. Tatami makes great cut gis too
True that. Tatami is fire
My Origin Rift is BY FAR the most comfortable gi kimono I’ve ever worn - but it is not the best fit. I have many (many!) gis; Shoyoroll, A&P, Kingz, CTRL, Fuji, Hiro, others - Origin is by far the best fabric. It is never stiff or rough, it is always soft and comfortable. My biggest complaint- the sleeves are VERY short. It’s not a shrinkage issue, it’s just the cut. I don’t even have long arms, they’re just cut super short. I also LOVE the pro pants with the swivel buckle belt; it NEVER comes undone, and I never feel the buckle against my body. It’s moisture wicking, and breathes more than any article of clothing. And given the uptick in the cost of other gis out there, it’s not even that much more expensive.
It’s crazy how controversial the belt is to some people. I love it
what height and weight are you? I want to buy one of these. I am 5 foot 6 175 lbs.
I have fuji all around in size A1 and the pants are fine and the top is ok but its a little short to my liking. Just wondering what size I might like in these two options
You and I are almost exact same measurements. I’m 5’6 and 175 in this video.
Is that gi IBJJF approved? Cause of the belt are you able to compete with it on? I know you said no during the video but has it changed?
The belt is not ibjjf legal but you can remove it. The pearl weave IS ibjjf legal, you just need to compete without the belt mechanism.
I have 5 origin gis and i love them all. All but two are different styles. I hate training in the gi, always have and always will but when i am forced and or coerced into to doing so it will be in a Origin gi. Had a bunch of other brands and they all sucked but when i put on my first Origin gi i was like "this don't suck". I know Origin would want a better more detailed explination but from a person that absolutely despises training in the gi you can't get a higher compliment. " At Origin, we don't suck". America
I love both. I feel like they force me to think differently.
I dont think you suck bro. These are great videos. Sucky people are selfish...I just ordered my Origin
Much appreciated brother. 🙏🏽
What about the rvca gi from the rvca website is it the same as shoyoroll?
Rvca does collabs with Shoyoroll once in a while. If it says shoyoroll in the name, yes, it's Shoyoroll and that's a great gi.
If it pills buy a $10 fabric shaver. Origin gis are like Ferrari's of the gi world. They need some upkeep. I trained with a girl that had a butt load of makeup on and it was all over my Origin gi. One spray of tide spray and it came right off. I fabric-shave the gi once a month. It looks great and smells great if you spray it after every roll.
Dope
Fuji for the win. Expect the jump from a3L to a4 is kinda ridiculous. A3.5L would be perfect for me at 6’4” 235lbs
Never owned a Fuji but I'm going to change that
Factor in origin shipping. It’s wild! The yellowing on my Origin gi is nuts! Worst gi I own.
No shit? Which gi and how long have you had it?
All that shoyoroll has going for it now a days is decent fit, if you like a slim cut gi. I have had expensive gis and cheap $65 gis. They have all lasted years. Any gi will eventually wear out but cheap ones usually will last a few years even if you beat on it everyday. Shoyoroll is not worth the money in my opinion, they are cheaply made in Pakistan. I have many that have crooked stitching and the pearl weave feels like any other gi on the market. Origin on the other hand is made in America by Americans and use premium materials and new innovations. Shoyoroll current designs are also horrible
I agree with you brother. I view shoyoroll as on the decline and Origin on an aggressive growth trajectory. And it’s true, I have two $120 Hayabusa gis that are in my top three favorites.
I agree, shrinking gi's are wack af, and i don't like the shoyoroll styles. I love shoyoroll the community aspect. Plus its hard for me to find a gi in my size at shoyoroll..that i like
Amen brother
Hi, curious what your weight, chest and height is, thanks
175, 43, 5’6
@@Jiujitsu.pilgrim I’m the same height but 186 Ibs it’s recommending 0W with shoyoroll but I’m thinking I’m a a1. Do you think I should get a A1?
Definitely A1. I’ve been as heavy as 190 and A1 was it.
I hate the rope in the Gi pain in the ass. The belt is the go
So true. Can’t believe no one else is doing it.
Why is origin not allowed in ibjjf?
It’s some of the fabrics they use in their gis. Like there dragon weave is their most high end but not ibjjf approved.
I have competed at IBJJF open in the rift though and in other variations of their gi. It honestly depends on the ref sadly. That being said their Athleta is meant to be ibjjf legal.
Good looking out
Hello sir,
I am on a quest to make the best BJJ apparel out there.
I have nothing planned. But, with time I will deliver.
Nice feedback on the videos!
I'll take it into account.
Awesome. Let me know when I can review something.
@@Jiujitsu.pilgrim Will do
Oss
After 2 years of rolling my Origin Atleta’s jacket looks like it is made of pills…((
Bummer
I suck to!!! 😂
Haha! You don’t get better at jitz, just less sucky!
The reason Original doesn’t shrink is the same reason it pulls, it’s made of polyester. Also look at all that gathering and pulling around your armhole on the original gi.
Also Origin looks like it weaves its own fabric. They are prob using America cotton (maybe mixed with poly) if so, American cotton is of lower quality only because it’s too costly here to add all processes that make cotton premium. Short cotton fibers that are “open end” and aren’t ringspun will pill like crazy.
Thanks for the pro details. I take it you’re not an Original fan?
What processes make it premium? I’ve never been a fan of cotton in general.
@@Jiujitsu.pilgrim I make custom bespoke Gis by hand, made to fit for each individual. czcams.com/video/bJANX1-TjLg/video.html
@@Jiujitsu.pilgrim fabric is made by weaving yarn together. Yarn is made by spinning fibers together. Fibers are picked off a cotton pant. That raw fiber is rough and has a lot of debris in it... If that raw unfiltered fiber, is spun in to yarn, that yarn will produce sub premium fabric... On the other hand Premium fabric is made by removing the debris, and then combing the fiber to filter all particles so that you're left with smooth soft small fibers of cotton. That make much better quality and pure fabric.
Clearing your throat every 12 seconds makes this unwatchable my man
Sorry brother. 14 years of being choked out will do that to you.