The Forgotten Nazi Cold Rocket Engine (3D Printed)
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So.... you still looking for more concentrated peroxide ?? 👀
You bet your ass I am 🤩
@@integza xdd
Isnt there something better than peroxide... maybe something yellow?
@@TopAnimeRating Yellow tomato's?
@@geekswithfeet9137 haha yeah all theoretical of course. Haha yeah haha just having a laugh , no need to tag ASIO haha (please)
A good idea might be to keep using the two syringes and have a small yet powerful electric motor( low KV, 150-350 KV probably ) and a setscrew to simultaneously push on both plungers. If the speed of the motor is to high, i recommend printing a gearbox to increase torque while slowing down the rate of fuel consumption.
I understand that this complicates things a great deal, but hey...it's Nazi rocket science, what did you expect?
Anyhoe, well done! Keep up the good work.
You would need to control the reaction better... Slowing down and speeding up the movement of the serine won't help. The reaction speed is only one, to use some kind of gearbox, you whould need to convert the energy, like he mentioned, in an steam engine way...
Maybe for the pumps a stepper motor and leadscrew on a syringe might work
Probobly easier with a pressure tank. Its not much displacement needed
To follow up on this, what about the proportions between the catalyst and chemical, do you need less peroxide, or more? How about a hydraulic system with a proportioning valve that uses two hydraulic rams pushing the syringes?
To add my own convoluted yet I believe highly functional method: Pressurize both liquids into separate canisters using a compressor machine at home, and then use electronic controlled valves to release the high-pressure liquid. This allows you to fine control the amount of each coming out, as well as increase their speed upon contact thus mixing them better. The valves would be controlled by something like a raspberry pico or an Arduino.
I know this method is very convoluted and complex, however, it is the best I can come up with right now.
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Two points about rediscovering old chemistry. I am a lot older than you and our chemistry teacher in 1966 was working during WWII in developing 100 vol hydrogen peroxide for use in rockets etc. He was called Dr Roper. As far as I know the V1 a heavy brute of a rocket needed to be shoved up into the sky at reasonable speed before it would fly off it’s pulse jet. This was achieved as aircraft on an aircraft carrier. That is a tube with a slot along the top on which the rocket sat on top of cylindrical slug. The slug was propelled up the launch tube by the mixture you are describing. The slug fell away in front of the launcher. There is one by the road visible through the hedge at Duxford Museum near Cambridge UK. The steam generator is also there with quite a number of chambers and pipes to hold and control the chemistry. The are bound to be pictures somewhere of it perhaps on Wikipedia.
1:27 I have a fuel, I have oxidizer,
Ugh, fast combustion!
I have a pipe, I have some lids,
Ugh, rocket shell!
Fast combustion, rocket shell,
Hugh hugh ahh, hugh ha-ugh, combustion thing that flies away!
I first noticed this on the second watch because I didn't know PPAP when I first saw this video.
I don't know if Integza actually intended this reference or if I misinterpreted it...
Catalytic reactions are typically directly proportional to the surface area of the catalyst. Swap those beads of silver for silver mesh and place in the nozzle. H2O2 which doesn't react with the KMnO4 (common, due to the violent nature of the reaction and limitations on reaction vessel volume) will get another reaction chance with the silver (it also promotes mixing). Also, a bit of tweaking to the design of your reaction chamber and mixer will help limit the backflow issue you're having. For the mixer, redesign to make it conical around the nozzle (the cone going IN to the chamber) and for the reaction chamber you can add angled (baffled) steps to the side so that expanding gasses favor moving towards the walls of the chamber and nozzle (this also reinforces the chamber which allows you to make it thinner/lighter). Beyond that, you just need to get the H2O2/KMnO2 ratio correct and figure pump(s). Bonus points if you put Tesla valves between the pump(s) and mixer to further limit pressure backflow. - Video idea: Steam Rocket Engine 2.0
Redsigning the injector for higher pressures so that the catalyst and catalyzer can be atomized before mixing would help.
I think the reason his test at the beginning didn’t work so well was because of the lack of surface area.
Anjay
The silver is also likely oxidized, limiting the amount of actual catalizing that occurs. Putting the potassium permanganate in a blender to make the particles more fine may also be smart so surface area is increased.
@@pabloarroyo1023 - Silver doesn't oxidize by itself as it has an incredibly low affinity for oxygen. The most common oxides are all dark so the silver wouldn't be shiny if it were anyways. As for grinding up the potassium permanganate, that would only be necessary if he's not dissolving it all in water. 5g per 100ml at room temp is it's solubility.
Do not use syringes, use pressurized tanks instead! Take two pressure tanks for propellants, and third tank just for compressed air (a few bar in Coke bottle should be ok). Connect both tanks to third one using some valves. When valves open, high pressure air will push the H2O2 and catalyst out of them into the chamber. This is safer since you can close the valve in case of emergency. This also would provide better control of the mixing ratio. Also a good idea would be to use check-valves to prevent incidents of pressure backflow from chamber.
Yes and maybe CO2 canisters instead of air pressure. Although with the speed of the reaction it might be difficult to control.
@@MartII89NL I didn't mean to control it in real time, but to adjust the flow rate of ingredients before the test (some sort of pipe narrowing or half opened valves). And since the ingredients used by Integza aren't flammable, I think CO2 would be redundant.
Think this will only work if he have the two chemical in 2 Ball shape Tanks, because of the pressure aerea. But also there need to be checkvalves so that the whole think could only react in the chamber, remember that there is a lot of pressure in the rocket
Pretty sure you guys are describing a super soaker
@@larryfigerbutz7184 a super soaker on steroids crack and meth because the rocket engine will have significantly higher pressures to deal with but yes same basic concept
Careful when mixing those combinations. Surely you have heard of the German pilot who was fatally burned with that stuff due to a leak while his craft was being fueled. Really like your content and style of delivery.
What I heard was that the pilot wasn't burned so much as dissolved. Neither sounds desirable.
Dude the quality of the editing of this is amazing. And the unobstructed confidence when delivering lines, even during the zoom ins, is legendary.
I love how he didn't even want to talk about a hypergolic rocket engines.
Scary stuff.
He kinda does, H202 is hypergolic in some reactions (the concentrations the Nazi's used in the 163, for instance). Generally though, hypergolic fuels are insanely toxic. As are some monopropellants
Hydrazine is an example. It's one of the byproducts of mixing bleach and ammonia, to put that in perspective.
"Well, it's all the same dangers of monopropellent rockets but it's also made out of *EXPLOSIVE POISON!* :D"
The Luftwaffe found that out really quickly. Fuel that melts the pilot and explodes if the ground crew sneezes really isn’t a winner. Particularly if you are meant to attack things that shoot back with lots of .50 caliber machine guns.
I WANT TO KNOW THE STORY BEHIND THIS THOUGH!!!
@@frogz Just search up the ME 163 Documentary. Super Scary Stuff. I think there were more pilot deaths due to them literally exploding and being burned (Or better put, eaten) alive on the runway, than to enemy attack.
There's something so gratifying about watching someone who clearly isn't mentally prepared for the reaction they are initiating.
Oh yeah? tell Robert Oppenheimer that.
@@JohnnyWednesday I think everyone involved in **that** project was quite mentally prepared for what they were doing, even if they didn't fully appreciate all the implications at the time.
In chem 2, we made Nitrogen tri iodide (NI3) and one of the people in back “made too much” so she threw three filters SOAKED in NI3 in the trash next to their bench. 10 mins later we start hearing popping and snapping from the bag as her trash bin started giving off brown purple vapor and calmly exploding.
@@The_Mimewar Calmly Exploding...
That's Seriously Funny!
(Pun intended)
Except for when they're killed or horribly injured. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_trichloride#Safety
Great video, just a note: at the beginning you are mixing up in the videos two different aircrafts: the HE-176 and the ME-163. Just saw the latter one in "Deutsches Museum" in Munich/Germany. The ME-163 came after the HE-167 and was actually in use even though with little effect.
You can build two pressure vessels filling them with Hydrogen peroxide and potassium permanganate add compressed air. now you just have to open two valves to feed your rocket engine. An even better way is to coat ceramic beads or a metal mesh with the permanganate. This way you have less water (easier mixing and just one valve) and thus less weight.
Integza: "For the first time in history, something good came out of Nazi research"
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NASAs rockets are all derived from the v2 a nazi rocket from WW2
@TASC Aerospace Its not nice to say that.
Saturn V wouldn't have happened without Werner Von Braun and Operation Paperclip! So yes something good came out of German scientific talent not from Nazi research. Braun initially approached Nazi ministry to fund his space research program and they put him into rocketry development for military projects. Not saying that he isn't culpable, but at least his initial intention wasn't to build rockets for Wermacht
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@@tinkukuty1232 I definitely agree with your distinction between German scientific talent and the unfortunate way it was put to use by the Nazis.
I don't think it's fair to say rockets as sophisticated as Saturn V wouldn't have happened though. Reaction engines date back to antiquity, and as you say, German engineers (as well as engineers the world over) were certainly up to the task. It was just a matter of time and the will to do it.
It's just too bad people can almost never see fit to muster that level of will unless it's in service of a military agenda in one way or another.
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You need to revisit this project. Add an aerospike at the end and a rotating detonation chamber inside, use 100% concentrated solution, and a high speed motor for injection and see what happens.
"I don't know why I only stop when things go bad"
Test until failure is a common strategy, we don't typically include humans in the failure mode though.
we don't, but they definitely are.
Including them physically, no. However, mentally, we are always the overall failure mode.
i stop when it break down
"All great science end in explosions!" Andy Weir
Testing isn’t finished until the prototype is destroyed.
I remember seeing the test footage of one going full vertical and absolutely losing my mind - the interview with Hanna Reitsch is really interesting. They use hydrogen peroxide for some rocket drag cars - make a mini one! :O
How about I make a big one? Muahahahahah
@@integza 9:08 धन्यवाद* No offence lol made me soooo happy :)
@@integza ohyessss!
@@integza high proof hydrogen peroxide is scary stuff.
If you want to avoid the drama of solid catalyst beds, spraying a high pressure jet of KMnO4(aq) against a jet of H2O2 would probably be the easiest way to get fast mixing.
When I was 12 i made a lot of firecrackers mixing potassium permarganate (марганцовка) with aluminum powder (there was a lot of it, used as paint in soviet times) and some matches heads for primer , when the mix is right you get nice big explosion shining like supernova, when it’s wrong boom is much smaller but it shoots permarganate crystals in all directions they getting stuck in the clothes and when you wash it magic happens :all of your clothes are covered with 5mm holes and/or pink spots …) , you also can make rocket from that mix but it can blow up)
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It would be interesting to use a FLIR and see how much heat the steam produces, in real time, plus see the primary catalyst points. Good job brother!
What material did you use for the sla resin printing?
that is an awesome idea
I personally prefer the Trijicon REAP-IR... I'll see myself out.
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I see a Tesla valve coming in handy in preventing the flow back pressure to the syringe! That would be in true Integza style!
Yesssss, this!
Yeah bro you are very clever to think like this
Me and a friend was talking about something, mostly saying that it had way too much head, and hardly any body. So we dumped our beers and ordered new ones.
I'm really amazed that such an energetic reaction produces so little heat.
“Safety third guys” now that’s a quote that I will live by
Safety Third,
because that comes after
Fun (1) and
Profits (2).
If it makes enough money, ignore safety.
If it's fun enough, ignore costs.
Never let safety hold you back
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Safety third , then teamwork
@@Karl_Kampfwagen Be happy or die trying hahahaha
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Chemistry is so cool that we're still blown away by stuff from the 40's. Integza, why not use a tesla valve to feed the fuel evenly to the rocket chamber and prevent the kickback? I think you could still use the syringes without them exploding on your moustache.
Ahh bringing back Tesla solid state valves I like it
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Genius idea
I was thinking the same thing!
For one thing, tesla valves suck at stopping kickback, for another they have a relatively high resistance even in the forward direction... The only way to ensure there is no kickback is to make the pumping pressure higher than the nozzle pressure. That may mean closing off the pump until the reaction has died down a little (like a pulse jet). Or the inlets must be a lot smaller in diameter than the nozzle.
Integza great video. When I was a kid I made a compressed air and water rocket for a science project. I bet you could make a powerful compressed-air water rocket. Thanks and keep em coming great work. Peace.
Make an ALICE rocket, but using hydrogen peroxide instead of water.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALICE_%28propellant%29
[update]The output of H2O2 decomposition is H2O and liberated O2
Al H2O combustion results in Al2O3 and liberated H2.
I would presume H2O2 Al combustion would not have much leftover H2 or O2 if the stoichiometry was matched as those have an affinity for each other.
I don’t think H2O2 would benefit the reaction, Just thinking about the reactions in my head, Im 90% sure you would get less out of H2O2 and aluminum frozen than H2O and aluminum frozen
@@demolition3612 The output of H2O2 decomposition is H2O and liberated O2
Al H2O combustion results in Al2O3 and liberated H2.
I would presume H2O2 Al combustion would not have much leftover H2 or O2 if the stoichiometry was matched as those have an affinity for each other.
@@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh You can't really freeze H2O2 above like -60°C so preparing and storing that would be kind of a pain already. Also the H2O2 will probably start decomposing due to the high surface area of Al nanopowder present, which would lead into thermal runaway pretty quickly and make it dangerous to work with. Besides that, even at appropriate storage temps like -80°C the peroxide will still slowly decompose, turning the propellant into a porous mass and most certainly lowering it's efficiency.
@@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh I know, however he is using 50% H2O2 50% H2O, and on average the reaction would be like this ; H2O + H2O2 + (2)Al -> (2)H2 + 1 Al2O3
The reaction with 100% H2O goes as fallows, (3)H2O + (2)Al -> (3)H2 + 1 Al2O3 the one with 100% water gets you more hydrogen per aluminum oxide generated, this is negated if you use 100% H2O2,
(3)H2O2 + 4Al -> (6)H2 + (2)Al2O3
Also in an Alice rocket it needs to be frozen as a mixture, and the aluminum powder must not be oxidized. H2O2 is just slightly harder to freeze apposed to water.
@@Bavarianscience H2O2 freezes very slightly after water. I have used it to try to fractionally distill 35% peroxide.
I love the fact that he was wrong about the chemicals rarity, where KMnO4 is literally so easy to find, yet you will NEVER find H2O2 > 30% in concentration even for professionals if not rocket scientists
Imagine being integza's neighbor across the street and constantly having a portuguese man launching rockets and tomatoes in your direction, and destroying your tomato garden. Video Idea: build small 3d-printable rockets with a compartment for the permanganate and the peroxide and make it so when you shake it, it mixes them, causing them to launch and fly away.
tfw your neighbour sprays the entire neighbourhood with a mixture of manganese dioxide and permanganate, and every single plant dies
I wish smart people lived across the street lol
I have a stupid idea with some potential, that largely defeats the purpose of this engine
Unless I'm stupid, the breakdown of hydrogen peroxide makes a good amount of oxygen gas
Why not add some fuel to the catalyst, to react with the oxygen, generating more heat and thrust?
If you use ethanol as fuel Tada now u got a V2
@@rh9909 add tablespoon of gyroscopic inertial GNC, a pinch of high explosive and a empty kitchen paper roll... A bit of super glue and now you are ready to send your homemade V2 over the British channel!!! 🤣
That would get very hot though, and burn 3D printed rocket parts...
@@rh9909 No the V2 used kerosene and LOX. The peroxide expansion just ran the turbo pump.
actually, the first jet pack was made using this same concept. why not make a jetpack with these rockets.. if i remember correctly, the design had used a pipe from the expansion chamber to feed into the supply containers, and a variable restriction valve in that feed tube to control it. as more pressure is built up into the reaction chamber, it back feeds to the supply chambers forcing more into the reaction chamber.
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I never felt anything by watching an ADMR Video... Just offtopic 😅 but by doing some thing I got the reaction that the videos are supposed to produce. Putting my hand into a pile of grain f.e.
Does someone know a GOOD video about that? In the search results there is so much stuff, I can't sort it out on my own without knowing what to look for exactly.
I liked your video, found it informative. great suspenders btw.
Have followed rocketry since the 1950s. Have two suggestions for cold rocket:
1) Although your injector worked, the reaction was not full. You can see the wave moving back and forth inside the engine, indicating poor/incomplete transition.
2) What you need is a combustion chamber of the right size and shape, fed by an injection plate designed to spray the proper percentages of t-stof and z-stof. You were using them 50/50, but the literature shows that a little bit of t-stof goes a long way. It's more like 10 to 1.
3) Eventually you're going to need a way to pump the fuel. The same stuff was used to power the turbine pumps in the V2 rocket. Print yourself a turbine and use the same fuel for both.
4) Have you ever heard of a rocket nozzle? You're going to need one. It's a nozzle that turns a spray into a roar. Have you ever noticed brass bands? They have bells too. Just for different reasons. But it's all the same. Just a matter of frequency.
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It's very odd, but I'm 69 years old, and you remind me of my father. He was always looking at me as if to say, "You could not be the product of my loins." I was, and now have all of his odd twitches and proclivities myself. Thanks.
Peace,
as a german, its called "stoff" not "stof"
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Pretty sure he's Portuguese.
He said "You could not be the product of my loins."? I know this man! Your father was Buford T. Justice.
If I'm not mistaken, the "rocket packs" developed last century were H²O² powered also but they used a platinum "sponge"/mesh as the catalyst. The nozzles got extremely hot in the process.
Once you have a powerful and reliable engine, send a Tomato "to the edge of space", then detonate the rocket before it arrives. Show tomato who's boss
Please also publish the GPS so the rest of us can try to avoid the resulting tomato schmoo raining back down to the earth. Oh, also.. it's probably a good idea to remove the seeds first, otherwise you will be responsible for tomato supremacy via mass propagation.
@@-robo- "tomato supremacy via mass propagation" put that on a t-shirt
@@senfdame528 Just remember, it's all Integza's fault!
I did a thing is a really funny channel to and also a very well put together show like this.
I get a lot of enjoyment out of that channel and this one like others that are similar.
Again I'm surprised I'm just learning about your channel just recently.
Thank you for the time you all pt into this for us.
I personally very much appreciate the time I get to smile and watch videos.
Nice exhibit A.
congrats.
keep up the good work.
Material with highest heat resistant you could buy is graphite.... I dont find anything for 3D printing, but maybe you could use graphite rod for critical parts, shaping with lathe and combinate with 3d printed metal parts.
Graphite burns and he uses oxygen for fuel so that will be a disaster
@@agusNievas he would need diamond cutting tools or ceramic one
@@Tee0505 not exactly.... Around 4000 Celsius maybe
@@CUBETechie why? Graphite easy to cut and shaping.
@@Tee0505 i dont think that Graphite burns, because it doesn't. You can use it in an arc welder as a rod.
Incorporate Tesla's one way valve on both inputs to prevent blow back on the injectors. This should also help to get all the pressure to exit out the nozzle end of the rocket.
Oh I can see that possibly working
holy crap I love this
One of the more curious Nazi engines I'd love to see someone recreate, is the Lippisch P.13a. This used burning coal to generate CO, which in turn was mixed and combusted with the upper air flow downstream.
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Make a 3D printed pelton turbine and drive it using height and water with a 3D printed nozzle!
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Kathrina with italians accent : yoaaa
Lol
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Needs baffling to prevent unreacted fuel mix from being forced out the nozzle... would gain many X efficiency... but would likely over pressure the device.. Thanks for the very entertaining videos!
4:22 "... I need to find another solution..." Classic chemistry humor there.
12:12 Given that your thumbs are holding the syringes in place, that is a measure of how much pressure the rocket is (currently) generating; viz, the rate of reaction will need to be increased by several orders of magnitude, probably to almost "explosive" levels.
"no tomatoes were harmed in the making of this video"
-everyone disliked that
I would like to see the thrust of your rocket engines tested in their ability to squish a tomato, or at least how damaged they would be if you put them in the direction of the exhaust.
Love ur stuff bro
Man made the real devils toothpaste
I will note, that a few successful ME163 flights occurred, with confirmed kills on allied bombers; who didn't understand what the hell was attacking them, out of nowhere, with no sound.
that said, the design has a higher body-count of pilots, than enemy airmen. Turns out, flesh and 90% Hydrogen Peroxide do not mix well.
I can imagine that death being very horrific
plus the design of it made it incredibly hard to control in flight
And the operational range was rather poor.
High Test Peroxide doesn't mix well with ANYTHING. It even has a tendency to spontaneously explode. Some countries have used it as a torpedo propellant, but they tend to eventually have catastrophic accidents. It's also used in some systems in modern rocketry, usually reaction control thrusters.
Ah yes, not sure if you would even want to survive that if you got showered within a 90% hydrogenperoxide cloud. must be a great feeling when it covers the inside of your lungs
VI: Once finished building an engine with decent thrust, attach it to a shopping cart. Ride it shouting slogans against tomatoes.
good job... you give us very interesting information
Integza the mechanic of the pump it's actually pretty simple first you drill a hole in the side but litle back not on the front, second cut the handle seal the back glue a hose to the hole conect it to an air pump release the presure on the hole you made
I feel like you could i use a whole lot less permangante since it's a catalyst. It might make the output stream more consistent. Or even better find some way to hold it stationary instead of in a fluid? Like a mesh or honeycomb that the peroxide gets shot through. I have no idea how that would work but you're the engineer.
Platinum mesh would be ideal iirc. Probably some cheaper mesh that could be used tho.
@@zechsblack5891 hmmm, that break instantly when the platnium oxidices (burns)
So let's imagine he dipped a half cured resin print in it. he would have to change the nozzle and make it use the whole area and there are reasons he's avoiding the middle. But then those are replaceable fuel cells and a chance it doesn't stay on
I think your thinking of a hybrid rocket fuel grain
@@zechsblack5891 wouldn't a car catalyst be perfect for exactly this?
I think that some thrust is escaping at the syringes making them harder to pump which is bad
A one way valve should work
This is where your old TESLA value would work
That's not how thrust works. It doesn't matter if the pressure pushes against a valve or the syringes, the thrust would be the same. A valve would not have any effect, especially a Tesla one.
Project concept: Build a alcohol powered rocket, one that burns the water, alcohol, and sugar in it. This can be done by using electricity to break apart the water, then it is recombined and burned. Or you can maybe convert the water into a different compound. But as part of this, make it so that the alcohol and sugar found in beer or other alcoholic beverages is used as fuel as well.
Love your videos!
“I would definitely recommend the Ex&F discord.”
Ah shit, I know where this is going!
yellow Rocket Engine
tar Rocket Engine
the what?
can a man get a link to this "ex&f" discord?
@@AnthonyGerdes here’s the channel, not sure about the discord. Funny stuff
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@@SonyCommander The best thing I think he did, was make azidoazide azide, and demonstrated that… like… yeah, it’s not such a great explosive, because it’s not so stable… but there are way more reactive chemicals out there.
I think a cool video would be using the Tesla “valve” in a water pump, it would be interesting to see how fast water could flow and if any pressure was able to be made.
My THOUGHT exactli
Not a bad idea to control back pressure.
Pitch it to an engineer thats what i do.
It's already being done. To genius to not be utilized for awhile now.
Came to suggest using a one-way valve for back pressure regulation at fuel storages... These might be worth looking into simultanously!
HTP ( high test peroxide) was used in two under wing rockets on a Lancaster bomber in 1946 at the Rocket propulsion establishment Westcott England. HTP is H2 O2 and decomposes into H20 ( water) and oxygen because of the heat generated the water is emitted as steam with the oxygen. You can add various combustible fuels into the exhaust to increase thrust. The danger of HTP is that if it is spilt onto any flammable material i.e. Wood clothing etc they will combust.
The fact that he didn't use a bell nozzle ruffles my jimmies.
Integza steals my heart everytime with his 3D printing prowess
Hail Integza!
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You should make the "combustion chamber" more compact
In this way the steam would be released with a lot more of pressure
(I don't know if this would work)
Integza: Hypergolic rockets are cursed.
The Soviet Union:
Have you seen the suits the technicians wear when handling hypergolic fuel?
Its basically a space suit.
That stuff is nasty.
That was super fun to watch, I'm so proud of your progress on building a rocket engine! That was awesome :3
There are some hydrogen peroxide rocket cars. They are totally insane. They also use a fancy ceramic catalysts
what a great project. you need 2 tanks that could be pressurized, check valves, mixture valves and throttle valves. you can then control the mixing ratio of the liquids to increase the chamber pressure or press the Permanganate into a block in a cup in the pressure chamber and spray peroxide on to it. that way the peroxide react with the correct amount of permanganate to optimize the reaction. anyway again great project.
Literally love ur videos so funny
Yea like the idea of 3d printing a steam engine an I also recommend making a gas engine with 3 printed metal like the last video.
I tried that, but the tolerances of printed parts don't meet the standards of gasoline combustion. The term that describes it in action is "catastrophic failure".
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Swastika as in the Hindu symbol, translating to wellbeing?
You're both right!
@@Potato_Major “plastered all over” what, 2?
@@Potato_Major yes but the symbol is originally a Hindu one, and the word is Sanskrit(?) So it isn't an intrisically nazi symbol so you can't really have a blanket ban on it. It would depend on context. Not that I'd expect CZcams moderators to display awareness of such a concept.
But that’s not what it’s being used here as. There is nothing Hindu about a rocket that’s designed to blow people up and help the Nazis take over the world. Check your context.
Build a rocket skateboard out of this engine. It would be cool
You need a check valve,your probly getting back pressure do to the reaction chamber not being isolated from the injectors,that being said DUDE!! That was awesome I love your channel
you need a checkvalve that stops backflow.
also : do you know the double syringes that two-component glue comes in?
a similar thing might help with putting out the two components in a good relation.
then: the steam should contain a lot of oxygen. is it enough to be used in an "afterburner" ?
A checkvalve would stop the reagents flowing in, also. And it would always trigger while the reaction chamber is under higher pressure than the syringe. if not, you don't need a valve anyway...
@@Andreas-gh6is I think stopping inflow at times is better than backflow. A check valve might not be such a bad idea
Peroxide can be used as an oxidizer in its own right. In other words, yes. If you injected fuel into the exhaust stream it would burn strongly and produce thrust if it were followed by a suitable nozzle.
Proyect idea: A few years ago I remember seeing a lot of potato launchers done with compressed air, you should definitely try a tomato launcher powered by this engine
A "cold" potato/tomato cannon using H2O2 sounds great. Would require a long barrel or a decomp chamber with pressure release valve into the breech, I think.
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integza´s enemies: ¡Our battle will be legendary!
Better a hho potato canon
im happy you had the stones to add a swastika to the thumbnail
I dunno if you'll read this, given how long ago the video was posted, but I was surprised when you tried using silver as a catalyst. I remember watching a documentary about various attempts at creating jetpacks & similar personal flying devices, & I recall the part about the peroxide based unit that was used for the film Moonraker, as well as the opening (or maybe closing, I forget) ceremony of the Olympics that happened nearest in time to the film's release, and in that the catalyst was a kind of mesh (or plate with holes 🤷♂️) made of platinum, rather than silver. I know platinum is probably a lot more expensive than silver, but you wouldn't need as much & maybe you could even get away with the mesh/plate just being coated/plated with platinum instead of it being solid platinum.
As schoolboy of the 1930's your experiments with potassium permanganate awakened some dormant memories. In those days of pre ball pens we had desks with inkwells. The potassium permanganate was known as Condy's crystals which you could buy dry at the local pharmacist. The effervescent properties were known well and used to play a trick on other classmates by adding a quite small amount to the liquid in the inkwell causing a quite violent reaction. I guess some of those young german kids remembered that too.
You were a schoolboy in the 1930s????
Holy fuck
You gotta explain more bro.
Also i have an inkwell pen from my aunt as a gift. Their still used in countries like Srilanka where its more of a tradition i think.
Main idea for next video: try again with silver as a catalyst, but this time try to make a different shape (in X-15 plane, they used silver in a shape of a sieve (hope it was translated correctly), through which the peroxide was passed (hope that translated correctly as well));
Another idea: try and make the most efficient possible bell/aerospike nozzle for your rocket (a little bit of fluid mechanics).
Nice video btw, I always love modern interpretations of old ideas!
Safety third is a great burner phrase but still, safety first because you are a great person who makes us happy.
H2O2 is used to drive the turbopumps on the main stage engines of the Soyuz rocket. The catalyst used there is an active zirconia matrix called F-30-P-G in the form of pellets covered in an aqueous solution of sodium and potassium permanganates.
idea : feeding the exhaust of this engine into a hybrid rocket core, using the oxygen from the reaction as the oxidizer, a sort of afterburner if you want (I have no idea if that would work ^^)
No it wound not
Do you want to know why?
i think a problem would be the water vapour and it cooling down the oxygen reaction.
or it could work and superheat the steam for even better exhaust
@@letsflipp If you can get past 1000C in the core temp, that water starts to break down to hydrogen and oxygen feeding the reaction even more, but it needs to be pretty high temp. Powerplants use this by feeding wet burnable fuel into furnace so it floats in the air flow and due temps on there mentioned atomic breakdown happens and feeds the fire further, hence why littlebit wet fuel is better, but only if you can get into high temps where this happens, otherwise energy is lost in the heating water further.. though that does expand so there could be net benefit on this.. is it worth the weight and complexity added? Dunno but worth to test i think.
@@tvishmaychoudhary69 why ?
@@Hellsong89 thermolysis of water is only significant beyond 2000C, and it is endothermic so it wont add any energy to the reaction
Project Idea: Maybe try to make a "professional" water rocket before building a chemical one, something that would fly hundreds of meters, you could even test it with an aerospike nozzle (or hydrospike?)!. I think it would help you develop the final version of a chemical rocket.
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I really liked you saying dhanayavaad as an Indian I'm watching your videos from a long time and I am liking it I want become an engineer an your videos are building my interest in science so much so thanks love your videos bro keep it up
Back when John Carmack (of Doom fame) started Armadillo Aerospace, they tested a whole bunch of designs for H2O2-based engines. They tried injection of potassium permanganate along the way, and while that worked reasonably well, it didn't do all they wanted. The final designs of their engines used a combustion chamber packed with steel rings plated in platinum as a catalyst. Expensive as they were (though I don't think ridiculously so due to the thinness of the electroplating), the rings, which packed into the chamber in a random fashion intended to maximize surface area, improved decomposition of the H2O2 greatly and wasn't either consumed or ejected out the back of the rocket, so could be reused time and again. Think several hundred rings about 2 cm in diameter and 1 cm long in a volume about two liters. Eventually they went to a bipropellant situation, where they mixed 50% (and later 85%) H2O2 with 95% ethanol. When injected into the chamber, the H2O2 decomposed into water (steam), free oxygen, and a lot of heat. The free oxygen and heat combined with the ethanol to create a secondary/parallel reaction that was combustion, creating a useful-for-rockets level of exhaust velocity.
An interesting design they came up with to keep the steel chamber from melting was to have the bipropellant flow through a very thin (~2mm if I remember correctly) jacketed volume around the combustion chamber. This heated up the bipropellant, which aided combustion, and kept the chamber cool (relatively) because the heat not used to create exhaust velocity was, to a certain extent, redirected into the chamber with the fuel. They continued this design when they migrated to a LOX-methane design, with the LOX flowing through the jacket so it was at vapor temperature by the time it entered the chamber.
Also of note, as I remember, they milled their rocket nozzle throats out of blocks of graphite.
7:10 Integza uses splash. It's super effective!
Just a thing, one of the byproduct of this reaction is 3O2 gas. You can use it to burn a hybrid fuel so you get double the colume of gas and technically a lotta thrust if you make it H202 rich
Facinating! Thanks for the infow.
I read about the test pilots who tested the Heinkel and they said the worst part was landing it with fuel still in it. They said they would fly around until they were almost out of fuel before landing it as the fuel was so volatile, it would explode on landing.
Video Ideas:
1. You could make a steam powered generator and for example put it into a electric rc car.
2. Put the steam engine into a plane and see if it powerful enough to move it.
3. Make a working speaker.
4. Try to recreate your earlier projects and see if you can improve on them.
You could make an rc plane out of this engine design.
First the engine needs to be more optimised, you could use 2 motors/pumps to accurately spray in the fuel mixture and optimise the percentage of each to give the most efficiency.
The plane itself could be made out of foam or balsa wood frame and paper/cardboard with the servos and motors etc inside to make it controllable ish. Even just a 2 way plane would be controllable enough to test if it will work (maybe try and get in contact with Peter Sripol for help with that)
Tom Stanton would also be good and easier to actually meet up with Integza since he's also in Europe.
A better idea than pumps would just to have 2 tanks pressurized with compressed air or maybe a CO2 cartridge. That's called a pressure fed engine (for obvious reasons). It's a very common approach when weight and auxiliary power for pumps is an issue like space probes. Look up Scott Manley's channel. He's probably the best rocket/science channel on youtube.
@@whatelseison8970 Flite Test blog has an article about Tom Stanton's compressed air engines including some planes that he built with them.
@@jonathandill3557 I know, I've been subbed to Tom for ages and I've used some of the plans from FT. I've been doing RC air stuff for a while now.
@@jonathandill3557 true, he slipped my mind tbh
So good to see I Did A Thing pop up on here
Add some charcoal and sulfur to your potassium permanganate and you have gunpowder (it's a great replacement for saltpeter). There's also an interesting experiment involving potassium permanganate and a drop of glycerine. Those chemistry sets they used to sell at the toy store usually came with a test tube of potassium permanganate.
This is the best Episode so far. I can‘t wait to see more!
The future was right there in front of us all along-the carbon neutral rocket engine! We used potassium permanganate in high school chem, so it seems it’d be a pretty accessible substance to get hold of and tinker with (maybe we’ll see some DIY flying cars before we get to viable escape-velocity-achieving rockets).
He should read up on how the Germans made the rocket for the ME163 comet. It would climb up to 25-30 thousand feet in only a few minutes. It was so dangerous the planes would sometimes blow up! But their concentration of the fuels were close to 100%. Damn! There are movies the Germans made of comet takeoffs and climb out to altitude. Very impressive for 1940’s technology. But the hydrogen peroxide was so dangerous that if you put your finger into a container with it, you would come away with just bone! No wonder they sometimes blew up!
This guy is way to cavalier with these chemicals. Good thing his concentration was low, but the results were still impressive! Yes? Since the video was up and ready, I knew he didn’t kill or injure himself. He was totally surprised when he first mixed them.
Great engineering with that rocket engine.
Maybe you should try and ignite the exhaust combustion, maybe it wil give a whole lot more thrust.
But be aware that the flame mite flash back so maybe you will need some sort of flash bach mechanism.
Good luck.
You definitely need to team back up with Tom Stanton again and build a 3D printed plane around that rocket engine!
Or ProjectAir he is currently building an Rocket Car
It may help to create a “solid propellant” style lining with the KMnO4 and have the H2O2 flow through it but I would imagen the stream velocity through the lining would have to be somewhat high in order to keep the thrust in one direction ish
This would not work as well: It's an issue of surface area. As a liquid spray the surface area is massively higher then it could be as a lining. That being said, I'm pretty sure Integza is using a massive excess of Permanganate - could use a LOT less.
@@crocosnz3322 re: permanganate, true! Also check valves in the injection lines will be key!
Safety 3rd, love it!! Mike Rowe mentioned the validity of such a thing in all practicality, great video by the way, I knew of silver/peroxide rockets utilizing silver mesh and peroxide I interacting to create thrust, but hadn’t explored the idea in full. Imagine feeding this through a Tesla Turbine and using a massive Tesla Valve to mix the fuel and catalyst feeding the high pressure mix through a Venturi just prior to the inlet of the turbine allowing for an even more atomized mix and further reactive efficiency so the pressure is extreme and consistent upon entry to the Tesla Turbine…….I imagine possibly disastrous pressures and rpm development, but heat would be massively reduced prior to being introduced to the turbine allowing for far more aggressive operation and less deformation and resonance leading to destruction. Coupled to a reduction drive, depending on scale I’d sure be curious about power output values, and this could perhaps allow for a very substantial increase in fuel efficiency. Just a thought. There is a ton of potential energy there and I think with a Valve/Venturi/Turbine/Reduction drive, there could be an interesting powerhouse yet to be built! Keep up the great videos!!!
Apologies for typos, thumbs weren’t designed for phones!
If you take the potassium permanganate and make a paste with it, letting the H2O2 flow over it as it comes out of the syringe, that will increase the reaction. Also a back-flow prevention valve in the line is needed.
The injection should go into a mixing vessel in-line to the reaction chamber, creating a place for the reaction to happen before it has a chance to expand, then compress through the nozzle, thus creating the highest pressures.
Lastly, what are the chunks? The fluid mixtures should be debris and in the smallest particulates you can get. Try drying the Potassium manganate before the reaction.
I hope that helps.