Sonic and the Black Knight Deserves a Remaster | Retrospective in Reverse
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- čas přidán 8. 05. 2024
- This video is the next one in my Retrospective in Reverse Series. It covers the Sonic and the Black Knight. It's more than just the game that Sonic used a sword in. I hope you enjoy the video!
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Black Knight fixes SO many of the issues that SR had structurally & while I still have fun wit it there's def somethin bout the controls that jus feel off in a stiff kinda way that I never fully got used to but then again I might jus need more time wit it. The Adva/Rush games wit the Storybook games(especially SR) def created the general template for wut would be the boost gameplay in the mainline series. For the story this 1 is special to me cus it relates heavily to my own personal mental issues since I was REALLY young. That part in the vid where u state "the flower is guna die anyway so Y bother" is literally my earliest memory I have that's stuck wit me since I asked that question & the reply I got back wasn't jus a dismissal but so harsh on all ends from ppl I had no choice but to "trust" it deep-seated itself into me & is a source of the depression I've had since, jus keepin the bulk of my problems to myself among tons of other things I'd stretch myself thin over when younger. Since then I've had a weird relationship wit this stuff affectin me a lot back then in many ways even when I was supposed to be asleep. I'm tryin not to go too in-depth so I can get to my point here I'm sayin I heavily relate to Merlina & she's a fav character in the entire franchise lol. Wut we deal wit isn't exactly the same & it didn't start the same (while for Merlina death of her grandfather is the clear indicator I've never found a true answer for Y I asked that question or how the concept sunk into me in the 1st place since it's my earliest memory). Anyway I actually agree philosophically on her point & DISAGREE wit sonic here. The only part that makes me still be fine stoppin her is the fact that she's forcin this on her ppl even tho it's to save them & that's the part Sonic & I can agree on. I find in the case of sonic a lil fascinatin cus if u know sonic if u disagree it's not somethin treated as "wrong" or "bad" it's 2 perspectives on the world & how it does/should operate & sonic is a character who'd be fine wit that. Remember how he phrased his words as wholly his own thoughts & didn't force anythin past the initial defeat. Which is 1 thing that makes me love sonic. Here u can GENUINELY C him as the "bad guy" of this world. I mean he knows he's the king of these ppl who will go to ruin when he leaves as per the og tale(the way this ties into & utilizes the template/history of the og tale to tell its own version is super fuckin cool in so many ways I don't have time for here lol) & he's genuinely like "It's totally fine if this place crumbles to nothin & u all die, IMMA KEEP RUNNIN DOE CIAO!" & also remember the beginnin of the game when he pulled the sword bout the "bad guy" thing. None of this is localization errors as the games became near 1:1 in eng from jp startin in 06 of ALL THE GAMES lol so u're not misinterpretin it that's wut they're doin here lol. It also SUPER STRONGLY ties to older stuff in the series since the classics thematically(look at the old jp boxart messages & tell me it doesn't line up). This is wut I mean when I say sonic isn't a "hero". There R so many things that make me adore the overall concept of these games & how it's specifically utilized here & it's 1 that touches me deeply. It's not exactly the game or piece of art the made me confront these things in my mind head on for the 1st time that was somethin else but it's still so well done imo & there's other aspects like how he teaches the roundtable or how it's possible u could say he jus MADE IT UP to get away from the Amy date lol(it even ties into him havin 2 chili dogs & that ties back to unleashed loosely where u can accept Amy askin u out for a date, tho it's kinda ruined cus Generations has sonic mention SR but that's cus pontaff & I don't wanna rag em so I'll leave it there). I can jus keep gushin bout this game but part of it also metatextually is a "goodbye" to the 2000s era stuff as we start the 2010s & the direction for stories & wutnot would drastically change. It would be the last time they'd do somethin as crazy or wacky as Swords, Guns, Convoluted & bombastic plots. It'd be that last fully jp, Sonic Team written mainline game & the person who wrote it would leave the company. Shiro Maekawa was the person & he did SA2, Heroes, 1/3 of 06, *half* of SR, & THIS while helpin on some side games too & like many left the company as it shifted again. I miss that ST/SEGA has been so afraid that they still use western writers that don't get the characters only to re-write the scripts in jp dialogue anyways since they think "ppl jus don't like sonic bein jp so we'll stop doin that but still heavily dictate the entire series includin the stories from a jp perspective". They're jus so afraid & it looses its core over time cus of that. Maekawa isn't even against comin back as he's publicly stated(idek wut he does these days since he doesn't talk bout current work operations on his personal twit). I could go on forever but overall ye BK is pretty "good" overall lol.
Sry for the essay
A retrospective and a Sonic and the Black Knight one? Hell yeah
I love comments like this. There are so many more Sonic fans for these "hated" games than I thought!
There's definitely some bias due to nostalgia alone (I thank my brother for buying these games in the first place lol), but I totally agree with your positive points, especially the music and story.
Also hey keep up the good work!
I only recently played this game for the first time and whilst I had my issues, mainly being the nunchuck kept disconnecting, I absolutely loved it. The simple gameplay, the style, the music, the story... I want Live Life to play at my funeral. And the final boss whilst With Me blasting was so hype.
I'll just say this: I'll take a sword over the Wisps any day!
Secret Rings and the Black Knight were very experimental. The best parts were the story and music. These two, along with Mario Strikers Charged, deserve remasters.
I wholeheartedly agree
I never paid that much attention to the storybook games (not really interested in getting a Wii and controller), but I am really looking forward to the Unleashed video! Even if just for the day stages. I think they hold up far better than Colors and the Werehog is entirely what was responsible for bringing the package down for many.
Gahh, I don't want to spoil too much but I'm more excited to release the Unleashed video than any other video so far haha
Yes
Yes!
agree
did you record the gameplay footage yourself? Because I NEVER encountered that much jank when I played it, even on my first run. In fact I think I can figure out why you didn't like the controls based on how I saw him moving, did you swing your entire arm as if you were actually swinging a sword? If so you fell for the trap, because that isn't how this game works. A gentle flick of the wrist is all that it needs to take the input, and since you can do that faster than swinging your whole arm it makes the character on screen react faster and smoother, try playing a stage like that and you'll see the buttery smoothness of the combat and how it integrates with the stage running.
It's my recording. I'm not sure what my struggles were to be honest. I didn't really flick around all that much but I really struggled with the combat. Maybe my wiimote was malfunctioning 😅. Or maybe I just need to give it another go and see if it gets better on a second go around. Either way despite the combat not being all that enjoyable for me, I didn't mind the gameplay. I liked it 👍
Thanks for this! I grew up with this game and don’t remember having trouble with the controls. Do you think with a bit more polish the controls would have been better, or was it just the limitations of the wii? Are motion controls even subjective? Yeah, maybe someone will remake this one day, like with secret rings, I’m sure it’s possible with traditional controls.
I think the way sonic slows down during the combat is what bugs me. Unless you do the jump slash or whatever. If it wasn't for that I think it'd be like twice as enjoyable
@@NintenDeen Yeah, I get it, that is true, it would have been nice if you could keep the flow or if the combat is more fast paced and did not kill your momentum, as it is kinda janky when you are going through the levels with lots of enemies in your way, so not good especially for a Sonic game!
I like the Lore of this Game but I could've never had played it I simply wasn't into the Wii.
Give it a go on dolphin! But I do recommend Secret Rings more (although you'd have to play it in the way I explained in my video, don't play it with a new file otherwise it drags)
@@NintenDeen I will, thank you!
The music in this game was amazing. However I feel like the worse game was sonic 06. I loved the story but the gameplay sucked. Personally, I need Silver to get a new game that will due him justice. I love him as a character.
Have you played Project 06? I still haven't given it a go but I plan on it.
@@NintenDeen Yes I did. I played it when it first came out.
Mp?
I agree with the attitude, but not with the negative criticism hahaha
To me, this game is perfect honestly. The only problems I had with the controls was the sword clash against the other knights of the round table, and when you had to do a mission of reflecting the sunlight with your sword.
Funnily enough, the same happened with Zelda: Skyward Sword, a lot of people criticized the controls, but to me they were perfectly fine? That's so weird.
And something even more funny, I really hated Twilight Princess hahahahahaha didn't enjoy the controls nor the gameplay, it made me want to go play Ocarina instead.
To me, this was and still is an amazing game. Loved the levels and gameplay, I was really invested in unlocking all the swords, and I fought the final boss more times than I can remember. If I had to criticize something... I think they should improve Gawain and Percival attacks so they can better move forward like Sonic and Lancelot. Like, in a game where you can only go forward almost automatically, it feels weird having an attack that stops you in your tracks.
By the way! If memory serves me correctly, it's not just that Merlina wanted an eternal kingdom, it's that the eternal kingdom was at the cost of drowning it in darkness (the underworld creatures and stuff). So, isn't it better to live your life to the fullest instead of giving in to despair and getting corrupted for the promise of a never-ending life?
Oh that's interesting. That changes the perspective a bit. Btw I'm reading all your comments, just not necessarily replying to everything lol
@@NintenDeen Sure! Hope I'm not being annoying hahaha. I've seen people criticising and defending these games but yours felt more... dunno... analytical? So, I wanted to comment on them.
And yeah, it's like what happens in Shadow the Hedgehog, Black Doom says things that are true about humanity and then he says that the Black Arms are here to save the humans, but by saying that he means having them as a fuel source.
The words are all nice but the means to achieve what they're promising is what's wrong.
@CC-ks6nm not annoying at all! My reviews are so long because I love hearing about these games
As I'm watching more of these videos, I'm really starting to believe that this idea of playing the games backwards was a bad decision
If the rationale for it is to not let the past games impact your feelings on the future games (y'know, the point of a series - that people who play previous games then play future games)
That point is really missed when it then gets followed up with "I like this interpretation of Sonic because he acts like past Sonic" - the Sonic from the games that you haven't reviewed yet because you apparently didn't want to let them impact feelings on the future games
That's fair. The issue is I have a bias towards the early adventure titles (SA2 in particular) since I've played them before lol. It would be disingenuous for me to pretend the bias didn't exist.
I'm not sure if the fact that I played SA2 as a kid is the sole reason that I prefer Sonic having a deeper more serious story or not. It probably is. But I think the reverse order still shed a good light for me at least because I was able to go through everything from the meta era and beyond without the intended order bias.
I think the line can be drawn between black knight and colors for the tone of the series though, so in my upcoming games idk that it'll be such a stark contrast between the games I played as it was going from Colors to BN. Plus Generations is basically in my Top 3 at the moment and not having a story didn't affect it because the gameplay was almost perfect imo.
In some Mario games like 3D World and New Super Mario Bros. u can play as other characters too, and not just Mario and I don't have a problem with that similar to Sonic's friends. Of course, in the original Super Mario Bros., Luigi is supposed to b playable in multi-player mode because it's called Super Mario Bros. But no, u play as one character. Even in Donkey Kong, u can play as other Kongs and not just Donkey.
Even in Donkey Kong games, u can play as other Kongs and not just Donkey.
Even in Donkey Kong games, u can play as other Kongs and not just Donkey.
Yeah, I like the variety. Offers a different experience even if it's minor
That's the wii
I dont agree that sega shouldn't have changed the tone. Just because you dont like the more lighthearted and cartooney direction doesn't mean other critics and fans didn't.
While its fine to want sega to have kept appealing to fans of these types of sonic fans i dont feel that fans like me who prefer simpler and more lighthearted stories should have continued feeling audtricized and left behind by the franchise.
I think segas currently doing a good job at appealing to both sets of fans with the recent games, tho. Storywise, at least bringing back the balance of light and dark that the previous games lacked.
Oh I wholeheartedly believe them changing the tone at the time was the right move, and it rejuvenated the fan base. It's obviously something I didn't enjoy though hence my dramatic comments in the vid, but I understand that a plethora of the fan base is more into those games.
Regarding your third paragraph I agree completely. I'm enjoying the current balance and I'm very optimistic about what's to come.
@@NintenDeen sorry i must have misunderstood what you were saying