*INSANE WHEEL SLIP* WNY&P Railroad wheel slips in Oil City, Pennsylvania 4/27/23
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On Thursday April 27th, 2023 my dad and I were chasing WNYP’s Oil City turn south from Meadville. After making a brief pause to make sure traffic was stopped the train tried to get going but didn’t quite have enough power. The crew throttled up which resulted in one set of trucks on engine 430 to wheel slip for about 18 seconds. In my 12+ years of railfanning this is hands down the craziest thing I have ever seen. Also please note that the Oil City Fire and Police Departments stopped the train north of town and told the crew about what had happened. Hope you enjoy the video! Additional timestamps below:
2:43: The train makes a brief pause to make sure that traffic on the road will stop before they proceed through town.
3:15: The train proceeds forward
4:22: The crew throttles up the locomotives in an attempt to lug the the train up the small hill
4:35: Wheel slip begins. Bystanders can be seen running away on the other side of the train (look between the engine and the first car).
4:51: Wheel slip ends. The excessive amount of sparks has caught the railroad right of way on fire.
5:19: The crew pushes all the slack together to help get the train going again
5:30: The train gets going again and continues on its way through town.
6:18: A small truck from the Oil City Fire Department is already on scene. They either witnessed it happen too or pulled up and saw the fire.
7:34: The train clears the scene. Another bystander can be heard saying “Tracks on fire!”
7:42: Damage to the rail from the wheel slip is visible. At this time a firefighter steps on to the tracks to extinguish any remaining fire. You can hear sirens in the background as more emergency vehicles were on their way.
![[HD] CRAZY Wheel Slip on NS First Responders in Virginia](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/t5r6LyC9Krg/mqdefault.jpg)
![[HD] CRAZY Wheel Slip on NS First Responders in Virginia](/img/tr.png)
![[4K] Train Stalling with Wheel Slips and Sand](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/EXCFHnzeeco/mqdefault.jpg)
Update: I just read an article and it looks like Pennsylvania DOT is putting in safer crossing warning systems at a handful of locations in Oil City, including the crossing at the 4:15 mark. Wouldn’t be surprised if the crossing that the train stopped for gets gates too. According to the article this will take place sometime this year. Hopefully they won’t have to stop the trains anymore after that is complete.
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The wheels weren't slipping... the engineer just saw your camera and decided to do a burn out. I am impressed.
😂😂😂
Righ😂😂😂😂😂
😂😅 lol
lmao I was gonna say the same thing
Lol😂😂
Wow that's nuts how quickly it ruined that rail. Sometimes you just underestimate the forces involved or just don't realize what the weight and power is
I think it's more impressive the rail actually held up to that, it's just a thin bit of metal if you compare it to the size and weight of the train, crazy that the only damage was dips in the rail rather than full failure.
@@MrHennoGarviethe size and weight of the train don't matter, what matters is the weight per contact point.
@@sanjeen2503yeah and where is the weight? The train…
@@sushimementomori7239 I mean they don't individually determine if the rail's gonna be screwed.
The engineer had too much air on those cars. He had to stop and reset the automatic brake.
Wheel slipping in a place called Oil City. That sounds about right.
I was thinking the same thing; too much "oil" on the track? lol
Appears to be an oily place indeed, where even the gravel catches fire
That was insane 😮 Right place at the right time 😉
Yeah it was crazy!
I'm starting to understand railfans more and more. Worst case scenario. you get to watch a rad train, best case scenario you get to watch something like this.
Surely He puts oil on the rail, just to record.
@@carlosmendes3472 Oil on the rails in Oil City.. sounds like a railfan murder novel or something
Awesome video Joel! With that being a once/week job with a pair of Alcos, this was already a great catch even before the wheel slip. Great timing for the fire department to pull up to the crossing as it happened. That looks like some serious damage to the rail
Thanks John! Yeah it’s a super cool job. We found out from other railfans a few weeks before that it runs on Thursdays only so that’s how we knew when it was running. And yeah I’m glad the fire department was there because the only thing I had to extinguish the fire was two half consumed water bottles in the locked car in the McDonalds parking lot, not sure if that would’ve been enough. And yeah they tore the rail up really good.
Usually mngt WILL BE IN ENGRS' business over these rail & wheel damaging events.
@grandcrappy I
would bet the engineer has either been written up, suspended, or fired..
@@Mrright87 while an engine us not supposed to do that, they will be in 5ge ENGR'S business, downloading, determining whether he or she could see or sense "the show".
@@Mrright87 on the class 1 railroads but the class 1 rail roads dont run Alcos
Holy moly! That's the first time I've seen grinding and sparks from a train that severe.
Hot Rail
@julieroberts1329 that made me laugh 👆🏻
Downtown in my city a hot rail has to do with a creative way to snort ice.
man you can hear how badly that rail was ground from the hammering. Awesome video!
Great catch of the WNY&P with awesome ALCO's providing the head end power! Like you I've never witnessed a wheel slip like that. I had a feel that would've caused some damage to the rails and the sound proved it once it got going again. Cheers from Laurel, Delaware USA.
Thanks! Yeah the Alcos are super cool. And yeah this was nothing I had ever seen before!
Ohh shit 💩💩💩💨
The fireman was using a pump can, they are three times more useful than the average rookie firefighter.
I’ve been wondering what that was. Thanks for clarifying!
That crack may have applied to myself when I was rookie.(Chest unloaded)@@joellawrence1132
Fantastic catch, been to oil city a few times trying to catch a train, and you caught the mother load on this one.. thanks for sharing.. Definitely some serious rail damage.. thanks for showing that as well.. hope you continue to post videos..
Thanks! If they haven’t changed their schedule Thursdays are when they run through Oil City. They should run sometime in the morning but might run later if they switch Meadville for a few hours before they leave.
@@joellawrence1132 awesome thank you..
Hi Joel. What a great video ! Nice work !! James.
Magnificent catches of the train coming by and pass, I like it 5 stars, keep up the great work, my new friend, you earned a new subscriber, Greetings from Portugal to the USA.
Saw something similar on the PRR Chestnut Hill line when I was a kid...and PFD used an Indian pump pretty much like that one to put out the tie. Probably one of the occasional freight runs they had back then.
Pretty cool that you caught that.
I shot sparks like that on a rock train at night. Quite the light show at night.
Yeah I’ve seen videos of it happening at night. It looks really cool!
That front truck on the 2nd locomotive (facing backwards) was slipping before it got to the grinding-wheel-sparks-grand-finale. At 3:55 you can already see smoke from it. To guess, they may have called the fire dept ahead of time, knowing the potential.
Why did I think that was a csx engine at first, that horn is awsome! the fact that started a fire was insane
That’s pretty cool, never seen irl wheel slip. Thanks for sharing!
Locomotoras GE patinando, un deleite . Saludos desde San Luis Potosí, México
Wow. That was crazy. I've never seen that before 😮. Subscribed
Yeah it was insane!
Nice video,thanks for sharing 😊
That was awesome thx for sharing👍
Before slip, looks like exhaust only from the second loco. Maybe they had the front loco shut down at first, then started it up after wheels slipped and they realized needed more traction. Could you hear front loco engine start up when it was stopped? Great video!
The lead unit was definitely shut down. and yes, it was started up to move the train..
Release the sand! What a great catch on video!
Greetings and felicitations from Saskatchewan, Canada!
Great video.. Thanks for making and sharing. I subbed you.
Thanks!
Great catch, and nice filmwork!
Thank you very much!
Very cool video… I guess I didn’t even know this happened ! Learn something new all the time !
It’s just how a short line grinds rails instead of buying a rail grinder. It’s real easy to do in oil city. The slip is great.🥸
You know you have "bad" wheel slip when you grind through the head of the rail.
Nice to see some Alco's still in revenue service.
Yeah they really messed up the rail! And yeah I agree it’s nice to see Alcos still in service. WNYP has a few that they use regularly.
Post more train videos on this stretch! It's a very beautiful place and this video was very interesting!
I live 12 hours from the area so I have no idea when I’ll be up there again unfortunately. But yeah I agree it’s an interesting spot.
There’s other videos of trains going through Oil City though that you can check out
That area where it slipped should be looked at by the rail guys. To replace or modify the rails so this doesn't reoccur.
Yeah I’m sure they eventually went and fixed it. I went back a few hours later and took a closer look at the damage, it was pretty bad. This job only runs 1 day a week so they probably didn’t have to fully replace the rail but I’m sure they had to do some work on it.
Hopefully the machinists inspected the wheels shortly after. That kind of wheelslip does very severe damage to them!
@@alecmesa7563did they not use sand at all?
They didn’t use sand at all while they were next to me. They could’ve used it in another spot where the engines were in a spot where I couldn’t see them.
@@joellawrence1132 the spout looking things next to wheels is specifically for that problem and engine has a sensor saying wheel slip sand would've gave it traction back
Its interesting that the unit that had the wheel slippage was the Alco C430 with Alco's Hi Adhesion trucks
I thought the same thing, the lead unit had standard AAR trucks on it. That's probably why the rail got ground down so bad because those hiad trucks are designed not to slip. So when they do look out haha
What an amazing musical chord being played on the horn of the locomotive!
[thank, you for you're great video]
A great start to a new channel
Wonder if there's ever been a case of a locomotive spinning out and friction welding itself to the rail.
I doubt it, only because the torque from the loco would keep the wheels spinning. But maybe it could spin out enough to leave a slight groove in the rail and a slightly undersized wheel.
Tbh i dunno 🤷♂️
Read the Trains article about the RS1s sent to Iraq during WW2. IIRC, a loco did just that.
It can't happen because to friction weld both the wheels and track need to be a near molten state (glowing red), which obviously isn't going to happen. The track would grind down to nothing long before that much mass in the wheel could get hot enough.
Good question
Very cool to see. Good catch. Great timing with the fire dept. they must be use to it.
Thanks! Right after I filmed this one of the firefighters told me that one time the OC&T railroad north of town slipped for 7 miles coming south and caught that entire portion of track on fire so they’ve had this happen before. That’s probably why they called so many other first responders.
@@joellawrence1132 7 miles? Wow can you imagine lol.
@@davidimhoff2118I would surmise wheel replacement on the locomotives would be soon with 7 miles of slip
Consider yourselves lucky that there was a fire man on the street as the train was trying desperately to get through and the fire man was able to spray water on the tracks. That would have been a very scary situation especially on metal rails. Thanks for sharing this video! Happy rail fanning.
I think a good portion of the burning was the dead tree leaves. By the time the fireman is on the scene, just about all the fire is out. It appears that the track ballast is deep enough that only a small portion of the tie is visible, so the sparks are not reaching the ties. Ten seconds of spinning wheels are not going to damage very much.
Yeah I went back later and looked at the damage more and there were a bunch of charred leaves next to the rail
I didn’t even know the line in Oil City was still active. Good catch!
Thanks! They only run down there once a week now. If they haven’t changed the schedule they run down there on Thursdays. The train should get there in the mid to late morning but it might be later if they switch Meadville for a few hours before they go.
Wow! Neat OIL WELL SUPPLY underpull jack and Tub tank.
in 1969 we had a RS3 # 1105 on the SCL that would wheel slip 6 axle unit but all the weight was on the center axle of the truck causing the to outer wheels to wheel slip
SCL 1105 was an RSC-2. The center axles were unpowered idler axles for weight distribution only. Would have been impossible to spin them.
Crazy wheel slip, FD right there to put out fire so I guess this has happened before, Liked and subscribed
Looks like a pretty town and historic too, I'll need to swing by there on a day trip!
Yeah it’s a really nice town!
I have never seen rails worn that bad in such a short time!
crazy you caught that right in front of you
Hell of a catch!
Foamers of the world UNITE!!! Great video. New Sub. Thanks so much,
Awesome catch dude!
Thanks!
Normally, it’s just “ALCO has *SOOT!”* - but this time, it is also, “ALCO has *SPARKS and FLAME,”* too!
*AWESOME ALCO!*
*Widać że ma ciężko koła buksują i pojawia się ogień,niebezpieczne* 😎
Was the fire pickup truck already there? Such a coincidence! 😮
That was my insane!!!!!! Totally insane!!!!!! I’m losing my freaking mind over here!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's awesome
Amazing how fast those wheels were actually spinning (powerful motor), wonder why that truck broke loose??
Very interesting, very nice video.
I can't say I have ever seen those trucks on any ALCO or EMD before this video. No kidding about the slip. WOW
Alco built High Adhesion (Hi-Ad) trucks, pretty ironic for the situation. Four axles versions were found on a pretty small number of units. Mostly C430s like these. The Monongahela had a single T6 with them, maybe a C415 as well? More well remembered for the six axle versions used on the big C636s
I'm not from the US, but the pedestrians and cars in the video don't seem to care about being hit by the train or forcing the train to stop and slip🙃🙃
Awesome video
The level of stupidity of those people blowing through the crossing with the signal going off best reflects why they are so many car vs train crashes in your country.
😅😅😅😅
Excellent Video friend 🎉❤🎉❤
Nice catch 👍
Impressive!
This is a great catch. Finding the bicyclist riding right past the "dismount... walk..." sign shows a real eye for photography. I'm not sure why the title refers to a "Railroad" however.
Prehistoric Alcos.....holy 🚬 🚬 smokrs (literally) ...old PC power?...great video....
When the train restarted, did it back up to put slack back into the draft gears?
Now that’s a burn out
Excellent footage 👏 I thought locomotives had sand nozzles and some form of traction control??
It's a shortline. If it was anything like ten years ago the power had been out of sand for months.
Ooof, somebody is in trouble, those rail/wheel burn spots are massive.
Yeah that’s why I debated for so long on posting this. I’ve heard of engineers getting fired for this.
Glad that the fire chief was at the scene while the train was there
It was definitely one of the best examples of perfect timing I’ve ever seen. I’m glad they were there so that I didn’t have to call emergency services and/or deal with the fire myself.
Nice catch on the oil city job
Thanks!
Another problem looks to be a fried traction motor on the front of the second locomotive (430), front meaning actually the last closest to the covered hopper. The wheel wasn't turning after the stop and start.
Actually, it looks like both axles are locked up after they stopped and started. Just dragging.
Never seen a cab look so arrow looking.
Its kind of cool to see how the traction motor blowers blew out the fires around the locomotive truck as it was able to start
It just goes to show why there's rock around the track's, so the grass doesn't catch fire
I think there might’ve been leaves alongside the tracks too when this happened. I went back later and looked at the damage and could see some of the burn marks from the fire.
Looks like failure of the anti-skid system - only one bogie turning fast enough to make sparks. And an excellent demonstration that sliding friction is much less than static friction - all the driver had to do was stop, regain grip, and give it another go.
I agree...just needed a reset . The hogger caught it pretty quick by the look of it.
Gregg.
The locomotive truck with the cab over it is usually is the lightest part of the loco so they tend to slip easier. A little independent brake while pulling may have prevented the slipping wheels.
no Alco's were Junk
@@dknowles60 you know nothing about Alco's other than what you have read. Well maintained Alco's will run circles around Emd's all day!
@@Paul070 wrong
wrong@@Paul070
Alcos are the absolute worst. Garbage
Imagine this happening in the middle of a forest during a drought.😳😳🔥🔥🔥🔥
In 2012 i was fired by the WNYP for failure to control wheel slip on that locomotive. I had been writing it up for excessive wheel slip for months.
4:52 *viol boom sound effect*
The irony this is the ALCo HiAd (High Adhesion) truck :)
Whereas the lead locomotive has what was termed (but not officially named) AAR type B trucks.
Hi Ad doesn't mean much. It's the tractive effort the traction motor makes the wheel put to the rail. It is a kinda neat looking truck though
Like the lady said, never seen that before, and it shredded the rail
4:16 maybe funny to order at Mc Drive at that moment 😄
Do the tracks get replaced at that section? Interesting video!
You should rename the title “Angry train wakes up quiet sleepy town to stop, fart fire, and haul ass”
Nice catch
Thanks!
Once the electronic traction assist kicks in no problem
4:47 FIRE! THERE'S A FIRE ON THE SLEEPER! CALL THE FIRE BRGAD!
So, that's how the Canadian fires started. 🔥
...gonna need one helluva tow truck!
How often does wheel slips happen?
Lol a lot of those cars I've pulled from the plants that loaded them..
Wow thats crazy. So very briefly at the end you can see the mess that made of the rail head. Do they replace the rails when that happens or just leave it as is and just have a bumpy section of track?
I’m not sure if they had to fully replace the rails or if they just came in with other equipment and replaced it, but with how bad it was I’m sure they didn’t just leave it
Wow
So the line pass through the garden of the City Hall, that's unusual.
Cool video
Do you guys not have any anti slip systems?
So what does that batch of cars go to these days? Are they all for OC&T? Or are they distributed throughout Franklin, Oil City and Titusville?
All of the cars on this specific train went to Titusville. There’s I think one customer in Franklin and one in Oil City (the spur splits off and runs on the other side of the McDonalds). I was told by another railfan that the Oil City customer is only worked once every 3-4 weeks. As for Franklin I’m not sure. On this day in particular he didn’t work the Oil City customer. I didn’t chase the return trip so there is a chance that he made a pickup in Franklin on the way back.
Thanks, the spur you are referring to behind the McDonalds is the remaining remnant of the PRR main that went through Oil City. It used to come up the river from Kiski Junction near Pittsburgh and to the Valley yard. Across from the Pizza Villa. Then it crossed the wye bridge (which I hear is being closed due to safety concerns), from there you headed through either Siverly and up to Salamanca New York and Buffalo or through Oil City, through Titusville to Corry and on up to Buffalo. I was impressed seeing so many cars headed to Titusville. With the closure of the wye bridge that will eliminate the remaining business served by rail in Oil City. I’m curious if anyone out there had any additional details?
That’s pretty interesting that the wye bridge is getting closed. In that case I guess the customer won’t be served by rail anymore. As for more details I’m not sure, I’m not from the area so I was just going off info I had received from others.
Wheel slip in Oil City.
That's funny.
The forbidden burnout. It's interesting though that the loco's don't have some kind of traction control software to automatically pulse the power when there's a ton of slip, on the same train of thought (ha) I'd imagine it's useful to have an anti locking functionality on braking too.
Alco like the c425 and c430 didnt have such, IIRC. Ive seen EMD and GE with it do the same.
Slicker than snot on a door knob in Oil City.