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An easy to follow video that demonstrates how to accurately measure and notch tubes without the use of a tube notcher. This is a prequel video to all of the roll cage how-to vids.
Here is a simple follow along video that teaches you the technique of notching tubes by hand without the use of a tube nothcer. Learn and practice this technique if you ever plan to build anything that requires notching.
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He is a professional without the professional tools. That's what a teacher needs to be.
Thanks
i wonder what tools the wheel inventor used LOL GREAT VIDEO
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Applied knowledge. Resources at hand.
@@bucksmith9035 ;A sharpened flint rock?
I can hardly believe my eyes! The way you demonstrated a single approach to make tubing cope cuts at any angle, with common shop tools is truly astonishing! You are also an EXCELLENT teacher.
I'm a farmer that makes my own gates and I learned quite a bit today, My gaps are going to be a lot less from now on. Thanks for sharing.
I 😂 😂
Just watched this video again for the first time in a few years, it's awesome to see how far you've come and it's obvious why you were able to do so. Congrats on your success man!
Not too long ago I made my first TIG welds after studying your videos. Now I just coped my first tube after watching this one. Much appreciated Justin, Thank you!
One of the best instructional videos I've seen. Thanks for seamless editing and clear, concise narration without hemming and hawing. Nice work too.
Great job explaining this process. Unlike so many how-to videos in CZcams land, you've taken the time to show and also explain the finer details of this job in an easy to understand fashion. Well done!!
Usable information, without overwhelming us with useless details! It's enough for the newbie like me to start practicing! You're a good teacher!
One of the best channels on this topic (and then some). Thanks for sharing your vast, rich knowledge backed up by experience), the info is priceless-- a solid apprenticeship in my view.
That was TOTALLY worth 15 minutes! Thanks!
+Marsh Wildman Thanks for watching!
Yeah I watched the whole thing..much appreciated
What is that Orange color thing that he somehow attached to that tube??
Your instructional abilities are actually quite good. Just the right amount of explanation and visuals. Not under explained and not OVER explained either - just right. And the flip the tube marks bit so you aren't trying to make cuts to the right of the chop saw blade is helpful (also a mistake I make all the time!)
@@thejagc3736 it's a welding arrow. They are magnetic and used for exactly what he's doing. Gives you 2 free hands so you can tig or whatever else you would need your second hand for
These are the gems that make CZcams so valuable. Low budget, low production cost, extreme expertise and a great teacher… thank you, brother! I’m going to go notch some tubes!
Thanks for this...after watching this my first notch turned out perfectly with a grinder (with a worn out flap disc). Thanks man! I dig your teaching style. Thanks for making it free.
Great video for the non-professional without professional tools. The biggest thing I took away from this video was the 1/3rd. Thanks for your help!!
+TargaWheels Thanks for viewing!
+TargaWheels I have to agree with that one the 1/3rd rule works so well. i have been trying to notch tubing for a while and its hard but that rule works so well!!
Welding rod types
TargaWheels
Nice talent bro.. may i ask you what kind of steel that good for motorcycle frames
Thanks for doing these videos, the entire channel actually.
I'm doing my first full-on build and couldn't be more appreciative.
No prob. Good luck!
Love the simplicity! Even a dunce like me understands this concept... Love your work. thank you.
Just came in from my home shop after trying a 45 and 90 using your methods. They worked GREAT and were indeed much easier than what I had been going through. With a little more practice I know I will have a much closer fit-up than on my first two.
Thanks !!
I was in a tubing fabricators shop a while back and was impressed by the quality of work and more by the absence of equipment used. I asked if he used software to calculate bends, he replied he had at one time but found his human skills were more efficient and accurate. Skill sets via practice are a great compensator for tools. Nice Video!!
+803 Mastiff I really like this comment. Thanks for sharing your story!
A GREAT VIDEO that proves a good life lesson of k.i.s.s.
You are correct unfortunately fabrication is becoming a dying trade
Fantastic! I do everything else except Welding and Metal Working which thanks to you, I am now on my way to learning and improving fabrication principles! Thanks!
I know this video is a few years old but wow. I've built dozens of cages, and I must tell ya that your video nails it. It's helped me for my next upcoming cage later this year. Thanks!!
Hey I’ve been watching your series and they are all amazingly informative. Just learning to tig weld And all your information is spot on. Thank you very much.
I'm way new too. To spot....or tack...that is the question....
Really excellent video thanks so much for showing this, it was always a mystery to me how this was done so accurately.
Very cool..... 1/3 the way lap, opposite side marking...check. Now I need a TIG welder.
I just got a plasma cutter and don't know how I built the stuff I made without one.
Pop bought my Craftsman AC welder for my 12th birthday. It just turned 50 years old and I used it all this week. Great vid...Thanks!
kimmer6 same here apart from the welder belonging to my pop learning on that welder for so many years made me the welder I am
Practice hard, test easy👍🏼
indeed. i find it ironic that we call it “welding” when it seems it’s mostly “grinding” 😬
This is gold. Every garage engineer needs to see this.
You’re explanation of notching tube is great! I was able to notch tube for the first time this weekend by following your video. My second attempt was perfect. Thanks!!
Cleanest explanation of this concept I've seen thus far. Thank you! Definitely my go to tutorial for notching! Thank you.
Thanks for the video!. I've watched it a couple times now and tried my hand at it today. Not perfect, but acceptable. I build a lot with square tubing to avoid notching, but it's good to know I can do it with round stock if needed. And no expensive notching tools required. Thanks again, Tim
Good to know you tried it out! Just keep practicing and it will be second nature in no time.
You said it all when you mention time and experience. I use the machinery handbook a lot and it taught me to do flat pattern layout. Once I learned this, which is same as CAD only manual drafting, making wrap around templates is easy. Then I learned to use the 4 inch disc grinder to cope out the material with super accurate results. I built complete chrome molly tube race cars many times with this method. Your method here is another great way to get the job done, good vid!
One of the best instructions I've seen in many years. Perfectly expected, well filmed and intelligently presented. And no foul language so I can refer it to students too. Great job! You earned my subscription, thanks
I've been hearing that this method is being presented to students in classes allover the world. It is a real honor. Thanks for watching!
The Fabrication Series The method may well be, it certainly is easy to follow and works well having tried it now, but the presentation is actually what makes the difference here. The tube bending video was one of the best instructional videos I've ever seen on CZcams, and I think I watch them all. Saves a lot of time and materials not making or repeating mistakes. Keep up the good work
I've been doing this shit for almost 20 years... you have just tought me a nice lil trick!!!!
Yep totally agree sure better doing a heap of rap around’s
EXCELLENT tutorial.. Thank you
A poor workman will always blame his tools, or lack of tools. I Iike the fact that Justin, win or lose, just buckles down, learns and pushes for excellence. A professional in every sense.
Dude, you’re the master. I’ve spent hours watching your roll cage videos. However, this crap didn’t work for me at all. I built half a roll cage this way. Took three months. Partly because my new MiG kept messing up. I bought a $100 tubing notcher from AMAZON and got out my old Forney flux core and finished it off in a weekend. Again, you are amazing and I’ve learned a lot. I’m glad you’re here. Building a roll cage is a lot different than arc welding on farm equipment. Thanks for your guidance.
First time seeing your channel, you're a great teacher!
Thank you!
Hi - Just ran across your vid. I'm very impressed! I've been building car stuff and cages since the early '80s and had to figure it out on my own. Your teaching style and descriptive language is spot on and very easy to absorb. Keep up the great work! Have you approached any 'chassis kit' companies about making vids for them?
2 things, 1 this just made my life so much easier!!! Im bulding a 74 monte carlo into a 1/4 mile asphalt oval car, and i have been struggling like no other to get my notches right with limited tools.
And 2 if that kbpi sticker on your helmet means your from colorado, good on ya! I was boorn and raised there. Living in wisconsin now. Very cool to see stuff from people back home!!
Keep up the good work!!
Dude, you are good. At first I thought from the title I wouldn't have much to learn, but as the video played and I was busy with the calculator, I looked up and listened to your clear and simple explanation as you did it, and I was hooked.
I'll attach the mathematical equation to what you did for those that like to see numbers in action and you have proved it.
Thanks for the great entertaining and educational video.
How does he make the first cut at 4:30? I can't see how he's setting up the 45 degree. He does two cuts and has great curvature...but he's cutting two straight lines....right?
@@foobash1cutting thru a pipe with a big straight line leaves a curved cut around the pipe
Damn, I should have watched this video a couple of weeks ago! Great approach - simple but effective! Thanks.
Appreciate you sharing this very helpful video.
Thanks for watching!
Waterme
You welding skills and instructional skills and video production skills are all very impressive. Thanks for sharing with the rest of us.
Thanks for taking the time for making this. Love watching competent trades people at work
Sick video man, I love the KBPI sticker!😀
Was just going to comment the same thing, noticed the OLD BPI logo on there... Rock on and thanks for the video, super helpful!!!
good stuff
+The Fab Forums Thank you!
Simple, to the point, very well explained and NO crappy overlay music....
EXCELLENT vid!!!! Thanks!!!
Thank you, so informative, I only wish I found this video 3 days ago when I was doing similar work, but none the less you just gave me a more positive outlook and I'm even more uncourage by your work thank you.
Yes Sir. Great explanation. As we say in Québec. One Tird
Is that like having a single piece of poop? One tird?
Can't count to four because the trees get in the way....
ayyyy
Saw the bpi sticker are you in Colorado
You really encourage me, doing this more often.
Due to Covid-19 I work in a steel-work-shop (what I didn't do for 10 years) again and had to do stuff like this last week.
If I just had known about the 1/3-Rule :D
"Keep trying - and you will get better" is the way I look at this after watching your video.
Actually I just wanna go into the shop right now and try it ;)
Certainly one of the best instructional videos on line.
Great Video! Liked & Subbed. You're a fantastic teacher! Looking forward to catching all your Videos! Have A Super Week!..... Gus
Thanks for the sub!
I agree. You instructional technique is awesome, you express you ideas and methods in a manner that is easy to understand, grasp, and replicate.
Well said, great.
A fantastic teacher would show you how to do it manually, then tell you to go buy a tube notcher.
Why should using the proper tool and doing everything in a single step be worse than eyeballin it with an anglegrinder?
The method i use (as a diy hobby, for very few parts) is CAD model it, unfold the tube with the perfect notch, print it scale 1:1 and wrap the paper model to the actual tube, trace the perfect line needed and cut away with bandsaw/chopsaw/dremel/grinder/file.
This way any complicated shape can be fitted to another complicated shape. This way I made a tandem bike from several other bikes. But the bike frame tubing is not round but oval, fluted circles and ovals, triangular shapes, rhomboid shapes etc.. The tubes are thin walled and have large diameter .. so just eyeballing it may get away with good eyes and experience, but this CAD template is 99% accurate if you can grind to a line.
that's a good idea for odd shaped tubing
Need to make a video of that procedure.
Amazing …..
That sounds a lot easier than all this. I'll give it a try.
Great idea. That would make the perfect template and then I can use my everlast plasma cutter to make the cuts.
Very nice. You just explained a few things that are really simpler that most people make it. I work with wood and see people over do all the time,,,like me and metal,,,lol.
This was a big help. I just subscribed and am looking forward to watching more of your "teaching".
Thanks again,
Brad
forever my favorite and most re-watched video ever. awesome information! thank you so much for this video
Nice! I remember my dad had a book, that his dad had. It basically had a lot of drawings of wavy lines. You went to the chart, and picked the pipe diameter, and angle, then you just traced the line on paper, then took that paper and wrapped it around the pipe, trace again, and cut. I was planning on making some exhaust, thinking that book would come in handy, when youtube made this pop up. This seems a bit easier, so thanks! I also noticed the helmet sticker...Denver? Woot!
It’s called the pipefitter’s handbook
@@johnfeepassword6390 oh, very cool man, I'll have to go look that up. Thank you!
I made a jig for my drill press a while back, you just stick a hole saw in the chuck and clamp the pipe to the jig and it all works out fine. if I'm doing a weird angle I'll either shim the jig on one side or make the cut and then deepen one side with my angle grinder, depending on what kind of angle I need
+歩春日 That sounds like a useful method.
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You have the gift my friend, to think it out as well to share and explain👍
I did this as well but the hole saws sure are slower and cost more to use than abrasive chop saw blades and old flappers.
Seems like you would through a lot of blades.
I see allot of bicycle and motorcycle frame builders notch rubbing like that.
GREAT TIPS! Thank you so much! I m not building roll cages but arena drags for horse owners. I have tons of fence post tubing I want to cut and weld. NOW I know how to do it without a tubing cutter! I have bookmarked this link for later reference.
Always been my nemesis, should have watched this 50 yrs ago, impressive many thanks.
This is great, with these skills you could easily build yourself a tube notcher ;)
Nice. However, it might be more helpful to describe how you are approaching the notches with the grinder as well as the purpose or reason behind that approach in a little more detail. There are a lot of kids out there that watch videos like this and have no one to ask in person.
Thanks
99% of the time these old school methods work so much better then a tool specifically made for the job. Years ago you didn't have a tool for everything, you relied on the Craftsman's skills. This is a wonderful example of skills. Nice job.
you are extremely good at this method ....i use a milling machine for such endeavors for many years and i don't think i could do this so well first shot .......true craftsman.............BRAVO
Hey Fabricator, you're better than most TV host!!! Maybe one day, you'll be in spike TV. Time for me to refill my inert gas tank and do some welding!!!
+Michael Strong This is such an awesome comment. Thank you! I'd love to have a show on TV teaching all of this. Happy welding!
+The Fabricator
what material are you using
+wael Auto.Eng.student This was 1.5" DOM
The Fabricator
thanks
good lesson I took in that few mins
Hi Michael can you please send me any fabrication book that can help me as a beginner?My email:Abesandavid@gmail com
Drill press hole saw done quickly and no grinding thank you everyone
Elvis has left the room
So to do it without a tube notcher you say just use a tube notcher? BRILLIANT!
Just go get a drill press, a clamp or vise capable of holding the tube rigid on the table (a tubing notcher), and a hole saw for every diameter of tube you want to work with? And what if the tube is really long and cannot be held in hand?
This method can be done just as accurately for proper welding, and the only tool actually required is an angle grinder with a cutoff wheel and a marking pen. Guess you misunderstood the concept, message, and even the title of this video. You are NOT Elvis. Elvis left buildings, not rooms. You are more like Beavis...Welcome to the world...please drive thru
I watched this video over and over again! Very clear explanation without the bullshit! My first notch was a bit off, but after my second and 3rd notch I realy had the technique down. THANK YOU!!!
Hey man this is one of the coolest videos I’ve seen in awhile , nice work , i was following on most of it
I glad to see I'm not the only only one who uses a grinder without a guard........great flick by the way.........Cheers
Thanks for watching!
I do it all the time ,been doing it for years ,only ended up in hospital the other day (Friday),(after a few lucky escapes over those years?)1mm metal cutting disk attacked my head as I bent down to plug it back in to the extension lead it had slightly pulled out of,I placed the grinder correctly on the bench, plugged it back in, forgetting it it was still switched on.... ,I was bent over, head level with bench(as the lead was on the floor), the grinder flicked 90 degrees and came at my skull hitting me twice, as the first cut bounced a little of my skull,could have lost an eye ,nose or ear,lucky for me my poor wife was home and got me to a near by Hospital,I nearly passed out from loss of blood, lucky no brains to loose, not a lecture, just saying .....these stupid things do happen?
yep and i slit my wrist open with one without out a gaurd, oh the white flesh looked good just before the blood flow
You mean that funny shaped paperweight they give ya with the grinder?
MrMan put the guard on and it makes it a one way grinder. Not good for any job.
Good tips, keep in mind at 5:50 when using your angle grinder how much of a mess you will have when your loose t-shirt gets into that wheel. Had me nervous just watching.
What a Nancy. Had me nervous. You don't belong in a fab shop.
@@AS-me9xx job won't get done if you're in the ER
@@AS-me9xx like that grinder no need for it.
Thank you so much for explaining this in a very simpler way.
And to think, I wasn't giving myself enough credit for doing this for years. Good instructions. Usually harder to teach than just do .
this video wont play , it says an error occurred , it has done this everytime i try it , 2 days and about 6 tries now . all other youtube videos play fine ?
+ted evans The same thing happens to me on my computer. I haven't figured out why exactly it happens, but I'm still looking for a fix. It's the only video out of mine that doesn't play. I can watch on mobile, or through the CZcams app and it plays just fine. I hope you get a chance to view it.
+The Fabricator friend of mine can also play it on cellphone but it wont play on pc ive had 3 friends try it also
+citydriver I will see if I can find a solution for it later and possibly post up a solution. It has received a lot of traffic in the past 24 hours. That might have something to do with it, but I don't know. I'll look into it.
id love to see your method i was trying to notch tube yesterday for making a chassi brace for a g body it dident come out to great
+The Fabricator beware of the view bots are out there as well. also thumbs up 4 wearing them safety glasses.
tl;dr Step 1. Pretend to measure. Step 2. Ignore the marks you made. Step 3. Cut and grind stuff. "Eyeballing is precision!" "Imprecision equals reassurance!" NAILED IT!
Thank you for the informative video! This helped me alot, I'm about to build my first stunt cage for my street bike.
Great video. You hit the perfect balance of presenting information but also moving the project along at a good pace to keep it interesting. Thank you for sharing and making us regular guys who don't have a garage full of high dollar specialty tools feel like we can do this too.
Thanks for watching!
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Maybe this site might help. You print out the design and cut the template and trace it con the pipe.
"Throat depth."
The inner 14-year-old me: "Hahahahahahahahaha!"
"Mating tube"
inner 14-year-old me: ( ͡° ͜ ʖ ͡°)
My inner 14 year old is more like “tehehehehehe”
No clue why this popped into my feeds now, but 3 months ago I could have certainly used the information.
Man, wish I'd have thought of using the hot saw, dang.
I love the way you explain the how and why, definitely a great tutorial!
That you Sir for the clear and concise delivery of such useful concepts and excellent content!
Happy Holidays Mr Fabricator!
This is really cool to see someone else doing this. I have been using this exact method for years. And am just now finding this video. Cheers!
you can always notch tubes online if you don't have a notcher.
just buy the pipe fitters blue book and you can do anything
You ain't wrong about that friend. I've been fitting and bending pipe and tube for around 30 years and the best I've found is by W. V. Graves. There's the fitters blue book that covers pretty much all you need to know about running pipe, and then the fabricators blue book which has the specific ordinates for laying out any fit or connection you'll need.
Bluebook don't tell you how to lay out a 16 onto a 30 ...1/4 inch from top to top at a 30 dedree angle....I created a device to transfer these marks for a perfect fit ...in about 10 minutes...
👍. That was my time well spent. And no corny music plus GREAT explanation of steps! Thanks
Really excellent work fella. Cheers. I’m gonna have a go at this tomorrow.
KBPI has gone down hill in the past few years
guy kinda sounds like Cory Taylor.. I feel like I am getting a lesson from Slipknot!
No he doesn't, lol.
Wow. Your experience is impressive. And thank you again for sharing it.
One of the most helpful videos I've watched in a long time!!
Learn pattern development
I have for sheetmetal mechabnic I guess roll cage does nt have to be as acurate
67 year old pipefitter welder almost perfect only works with horseshoes and hand grenades. These are some of the simplest cuts to make and there are much better ways of doing it but you must be able to read a rule.
2 45s work so easy . set up a jig and mig your heart out boring after a while
Well, if you know a better way, make a friggin' video for us! ;)
dan good post your own video then, old geezer.
Easy to criticize without providing any actual solutions. Your comment is wasting everyone's time.
Excellent, very helpful. I work with a lot of pipe and this will prove extremely helpful. Good job!
Thank you!! I have never tried to notch tubing before. It made my mototcycle luggage rack MUCH easier to build.
You should wear gloves to protect yourself from UV radiations when you're TIG welding (less smoke-more UV radiation into your skin), moreover you may be electrocuted if your U0 (no load curren) is over 60V-DC, not to speak of use HF ( high frequency) to initiate the arc. Hey you guys!, always read the safety manual before use no matther which machine.
Soldadura thanks mom, but i think a grown man can decide for himself how he does it
Carl Kriesant ... So now you're the skin cancer police. Half the shit we eat causes cancer... Do you grow your own natural foods? Because if you don't you'll end up with cancer.
Go away nanny state
I don't wear gloves when mig or tig but I do for stick
Save a lot of money by not going to the fake bake coffin.
Lol... does ANYONE use grinder guards? They need to stop making them so we can save on purchase!!
Yea, what he said.
There are instances where having on there makes it awkward or blocks you out in tight spaces but I have two one with and without. I only use the without when I have to.
James T Kirk Akward in tight spaces or not, I have to use the guard at work. If caught without by govt inspector it's a fine for company and possibly me and my boss would tell me to kick rocks. If my supervisor caught me, I'd probably be told to kick rock but no fine.
@@AndersHanche been there, done that and still don't use one
Grinder guard really isn't needed for flap disc use. It just gets in the way when digging out deep angles or odd surfaces
Thank you! I just came across this video and it's awesome! I've wanted to know how to do this for a long time and you made it so easy to understand.
That was amazing. Learned something new and useful. Thank you for the video.
How the hell could a country with a bloke this clever vote for Trump or Clinton
a stupid 2 party system
It's not like we have a choice haha.
shit happens
You don't vote at all.
Trump's doing OK, at least we haven't totally been flushed down the tubes - if Clinton had gotten elected, we would be down the toilet for sure. Clinton and her cronies are about to go to jail - that's why they have been lying about "Russian collusion" for the last year (which has been totally refuted). And you guys worship a Prince who killed his wife so he could marry an old hag. Jeez! You have no room to judge our system when yours is so F'ed up.
Thanks for this video .. we’re building horse stalls and it was taking us all day lol this is the only method that worked compared to any other videos out there! Thank you! 👍🙌🙌🙏🙏
I don't do metalwork, I'm a woodworker, but I enjoyed watching this. your a natural teacher and made this all seem so easy....(which I'm sure it isn't until you've done it a couple of dozen times)
Thanks for uploading and sharing your expertise!
Thanks for watching!
Great Video! Easy to follow, not overly explained. Well done.
Awesome tutorial!! So easy to understand using basic hand tools!! Thanks for sharing young sir. Cheers from Motown/Dearborn.
Thanks for the guidance, man. Just completed some sterling tube work on the basis of your advice. Took a little more care setting up for the 'second' cut to ensure symmetry but all good.
I like that you do it with a chop saw. Just making it easy with tools most of us can afford and throwing in some just plane common sense figuring. Nice teaching. I need a brush up like this once in a while
Easiest to understand lesson ever! Umm subbing right up and can’t wait to look through some more of your content! Simple straight forward concepts just getting right to the point in a common sense approach. The way you show this I think my 12yo daughter could do this first try!