What if Japan Won the Battle of Midway?
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In 1942 Japan lost the Battle of Midway and so began their eventual fall by the United States. But what if during WWII Japan didn't lose the Battle and instead pushed on?
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This is a pretty quick and simple video due to the subject matter. However the wait won't be long for the next video which will focus on a Turtledove book we all know, *cough* aliens *cough* WWII.
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AlternateHistoryHub Could please do a video about a Roman Army in the 1st or 2nd century C.E . Invasion of Sub Saharhen Africa.
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“What would have happen if Japan won?”
“They would have lost”
“But what if they won?”
“No”
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@@velcranoxofficials9970 luckily there is literally no way the Japanese could win the war.
@@FishwicksREAL there would have been a way: destroy the Pacific fleet, Pacific naval yards and the Panama canal within the first few months. The US wouldn't recover from that in time and sending their Atlantic fleet all around South America or the Indian Ocean wouldn't have been a great idea (just like Russia in 1905). That wouldn't have been easy, though.
@Stefan B. The Panama Canal was over 3000 miles away from Pearl Harbor so the Japanese wouldn’t have enough fuel, Japan only had a 19% hit rate so they probably couldn’t have hit them, and the aircraft carriers were hidden so the us probably could’ve won battle of midway anyways
@@quocthainguyen9288 Theres a way Japan could if they had beaten US at Midway crippled their Carrier forces like their Battleships then flopped on the beach they return to the island chain where they had aircover the Yamato and sister ship and Japans supercarrier and submarine projects would have time to be implemented along into carrier groups also Japan would have kept key pilots that were lost if the US tried anything in far west Pacific they'b be decimated Japan would have a huge well supplied fleet and with China beat Japan would have the Islands well defended build naval guns and could focus on producing ships US could outproduce them but it would be unlikely they retake guam and other naval bases due to local airpower and the carrier fleet the US with all its carriers would still be outnumbered every push would hurt the US fleet if they force taking Guam Japan could only lose like 1 Carrier, 1 Battleship, 2 Cruisers to USs 5 Carriers,4 Battleships, 12 Cruisers and not take the island
To be fair, it wasn't incompetence, as much as bad luck that ultimately lost the battle. Those bombers getting lost and accidentally finding a sitting duck fleet was really a stroke of luck ;)
Not to mention all the planes defending that sitting duck were too low to stop dive bombers because minutes earlier they had just shot down torpedo bombers. Also they were mid changing armaments on the planes and the bombs where just laying on the floor of the hangar, they were essentially floating powder kegs.
It wasnt a stroke of luck, they went to their former position and found the destroyer Arashi who was looking for the USS Dauntless and followed it back home to the fleet
While luck was present in this battle, the sacrifices of many of the first torpedo pilots helped save the day, as it forced the Japanese carriers to take evasive maneuvers and delayed them being able to launch aircraft and switch out the armaments. There are usually a lot of factors that sway the outcome of a battle, and Midway is no exception.
@@patrickazzarella6729 I think maybe he was being sarcastic about the luck part
I don’t agree with luck. That’s just war. Who’s to say that Japan didn’t stumble across pearl by pure luck? It’s not luck just men trying to kill men
What did Admiral Yamamoto say to the Japanese minister of war after the US Navy was not completely crippled at Pearl Harbor?
I Tojo so....
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Well he actually said something along the lines of "if we do this I can only promise you around 6 months of complete control in the pacific.
@@ReaverLordTonus dammit that joke was mine XD
"For half a year both sides basically didn't do anything." What about the battle of the coral sea?
It is nothing XD
Or the Doolittle raid?
look, I like japan just as much as the next guy, but there's no situation at ALL where the Japanese could have possibly won the war, they simply did not have the industrial capacity to do so. even if they had figured out that aircraft carriers were the next important technological advancement for force projection, they still would have lost due to the sheer industrial capacity the united states had at its disposal. hell, even if the u.s didn't figure out about those neat things called aircraft carriers and build increasingly large battleships instead they would have still won. besides, I like modern western-influenced japan. not shitty imperial rapey japan.
@@mgpmisterk2322
Japan should assault the Soviet Union...then USA if wish.
@@mgpmisterk2322 but if they won midway it would leave america out of the fight for the next 6 month's. They would go on the defensive and unlike our timeline, be better at defending. They knew they couldnt take on the us head on. They would do what Vietnam did in the Vietnam war and hide. Wait for america to attack.
During the months between pearl harbor and midway, Japan conquered half of asia... the philippines, papua-guinea, french vietnam and singapore, indonesia and so on
Cojimoto Misashi
Yes, but they also suffered a draw at the battle of the coral sea.
during ww2 philippines was in the hands of the USA
Funny 2 years after Midway the US Navy pulverized the Japanese Navy
Sreekrishnan Kp Nah, the Japanese took the Philippines and occupied it for much of the war. If the Japanese hadn't taken that, we would have had a pretty decent place to attack the crap out of them with.
@@---uf2zl Japan won at the Coral Sea. They lost only a light carrier whereas the Americans had lost a fleet carrier (Japan also believed the Yorktown had been sunk, so in their eyes, it was doubly as successful). In any case, the damage Yorktown took was extensive.
Is this possibly the shortest video in years? Basically sums up Japan's hopes against America
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Lord CRYO I liked his comment cuz I love parodies
I would have won aganist USA if transported in to the Japan Empire.
This video is bullshit japan would take midway and then hawaii and the united states would surrender. I mean come on how is 400 men gonna defend against 4 carries thats just bullshit.
@@shadowcobra69 400 soldiers on the island
Wasn't the main objective of the battle of Midway by Japan was to destroy the American carriers?
Admiral Yamamoto specifically mentioned that Japan was to pursue for peace after dealing a major blow to America to have more power on the negotiating table.
Also i totally dont agree on the "Japan just flops over". Without naval and air supremacy in the local area, Midway would just pretty much end up like Tarawa but for USA.
You're right to point out that one of the operation's major goals was to draw out and destroy the American carriers. I agree with his overall conclusion, but I think he is underselling how devastating the loss of three carriers would have been.
To your second point, good thinking bringing up the battle of Tarawa, but there are some key distinctions that need to be mentioned. At Tarawa the Americans outnumbered the Japanese 10 to 1. The IJN's invasion force consisted of 2,000-2,500 marines who would be facing 5,000 American marines stationed on Midway.
Tarawa was a bloody battle despite the fact that the American invaders outnumbered the Japanese defenders 10 to 1. If things played out similarly, Midway would have been a bloodbath with American defenders outnumbering Japanese attackers 2 to 1.
At the battle of Wake Island Japan had a 5 to 1 advantage and still ended up taking 5 time the casualties as the outmatched American defenders. Japan would have needed to send 10 times as many marines to have any hopes of taking Midway.
So why did they send so few? For one thing, Japan didn't know just how many Americans were on the island. They were operating on outdated intel, which is why they were planning on properly surveying the island after defeating the Americans and gaining air superiority. Maybe Japan would have held back their marines after seeing how well defended Midway was, or maybe they would have focused on capturing a toehold that they could hold onto until reinforcements could be brought up.
So yeah, on one hand I agree with the video in that Japan would have been cut to ribbons if they just pressed forward mindlessly. But if they did destroy three American carriers without losing one of their own then they could have pressed their advantage cautiously to put America in a pretty bad position. So I agree with you that just saying "Japan just flops over" is a bit of an overreach.
That said, it's hard to imagine that things would have worked out any better for Japan in the long run. Japan was defeated in the ship yards, not the battlefields. Holding Midway would not have improved their ability to replace ships as America destroyed them and I don't think it would have convinced America to surrender.
America would have had to delay major offensives by six months, but then they would have had more fleet carriers then Japan and would have gone on the offensive (I'm looking at the actual ship build rate for both sides) www.combinedfleet.com/economic.htm explains it in more detail.
Well the key would be to destroy the fresh water facilities on Midway, wouldn’t it?
even if they won at midway japan would still have lost the war just america has such a massive advantage in industry it would've just taken longer really
The US built 24 Essex Class carriers. Each superior to every other carrier in the world and with larger air arm. There is simply no way Japan could have won that war.
I relate so much to the "my cat is enver going to shut up at 3am" line lmao
*sigh*
Everyone did. Thats why he said it. To be relatable. He is an entertiner. It is his job.
What if Cody’s cat shut up at 3 am?
More snuggles. -nod-
He would get a full night's rest, and videos would actually come out on time.
Brendan Murphy The universe would dissolve into an amalgamation of all the cruelty existence has caused
I like mine better. :-p
Actually, had the Japanese won the naval Battle off of Midway, they would have been able to take the island itself. Midway did have a garrison, but it wasn't exceptionally large, and it was damaged during the naval battle. And while the Marines manning Midway were relatively capable, they didn't have coastal batteries that could deal with Japanese battleships and cruisers, which were the bulk of the Midway strike force that the Japanese deployed. The four fleet carriers were their most important naval weapon, but the did have battleships and cruisers that could and probably WOULD serve in a shore bombardment role.
And Japan had done PLENTY of this in the Pacific area since December 7, so there is no reason to assume that they couldn't land successfully at Midway. Japan wasn't like Germany with regard to amphibious warfare... Germany didn't start real research into that sort of warfare until 1939... the same year WW2 started in Europe, and wasn't anywhere near ready when France fell in 1940... Japan DIDN'T have that limitation. They'd been developing amphibious warfare tactics through the 20s and 30s and HAD the landing ships needed to do so. And they applied them well early in the Pacific War...
They made landings at Wake Island in 1941. They made landings in the Philippines in 1941. They made landings on Guam in 1941. They made landings in the Dutch East Indies (modern Indonesia). And so on... So it wasn't as though they were just "shaking their fist" at America from December 1941 to the summer of 1942... And neither really was the US. In fact one of the problems in the Pearl Harbor raid was that they failed to get the American carriers there those carriers eventually launched the Doolittle Raid on Tokyo. The raid did little real damage, but was taken as a cultural shock, which then inspired the decision for the 1942 campaign to take Midway along with Attu and Kiska in the Aleutian Island chain...
And had they somehow won the naval battle... Japan would have been able to take the island. As the island itself was not so well defended that the Japanese would have been defeated on the ground. Without the US Navy there... Midway would have been overrun.
However, capturing the island might not necessarily win the war. As while they might gain Midway Island and that would put the Hawaiian islands within range of land based bombers flying from Midway... Japan didn't have the manpower or fuel reserves (even with the Dutch East Indies under their control) to keep expanding at the pace they'd been at after Pearl Harbor. Which could well mean that while they'd take Midway Island, they wouldn't have the resources to then leap to the Hawaiian islands in the near future...
That's ultimately where I'd agree with your end point... That Japan really didn't have a chance... At least they didn't given the circumstances of history. America outpaced them in both population and industrial capacity... From 1941 to 1945, the US built some 20 fleet carriers of the Essex class (and they built even more light carriers and escort carriers) while in the same time, the Japanese built at most 5, one of which originally intended to be a battleship. So... unless America just surrendered because it'd lost a battle, as the Japanese expected, Japan didn't really have a shot in the war as a whole.
Japan did build more than 5 but 2 were converted whilst some others were only finished by 1945. Even that is not enough to match USN though. And i don't think US is gonna easily surrender after the loss of all Pacific Carriers. Not like you cannot go on the defensive and use the airbases on the islands to sink the enemy's floating airfields.
Japan didn’t do so well in taking Wake and Midway would have been a tougher landing versus bolstered USMC.
Japan had the industrial output of the state of Ohio in WW2. So it was Ohio vs entire USA in military production. A Japanese victory was samurai fantasy as even Yamamoto knew.
TheAmir259 - I agree. In the bigger picture, Japan was badly outclassed with regard to industry and population and that winning one battle wasn't going to win the war...
Paul Gee - Japan had a lot of weaknesses with regard to the war as a whole, but in the Summer of 1942 with the US Government largely taking a "Europe First" strategy, that doesn't mean that Japan was incapable of taking Midway island...
As while the Marine garrison may have been strengthened from its peacetime status, it wasn't going to be large enough to defeat amphibious landings supported by aircraft and naval gunfire. The garrison on Wake Island did fight hard, and given the circumstances did far more than what the Japanese expected, but without any real naval strength to relieve the island, Wake Island DID fall to the Japanese. Midway really wouldn't be any different.
And while I agree that America had massive economic advantages over Japan, that has more to do with the war as a whole and not necessarily with one battle, particularly at a point in the war when much of America's industries were being retooled from peacetime production to war time production. One cannot snap one's fingers and expect every industry to be ready and arranged over night.
Sam Nary Thank you. I was very dissapointed by the lack of research and effort put into this video, and you just about summed up why half of what was said in the already short video is simply wrong.
The Midway atoll is, as seen very clearly in the footage provided, *very* small, and *very* flat. With a superior naval force in the area, nothing would be able to stop not only a successful, but an easy steamroll of a Japanese landing. With no hills/(volcanic)mountains to provide any cover, the US forces stationed there could have been subjected to weeks upon weeks of naval bombardment without much protection other than concrete bunkers under sand. Some resistance would likely survive, but with the islands being so small, it would be possible to provide direct supportive fire from the warships onto any defensive positions even *during* a landing itself.
It is ofcourse self-evident that Japan would've eventually still lost the war, as you mentioned as well.
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“If the general cannot control his temper and sends his troops to swarm the walls, one third of them will be killed, and the city will still not be taken.” -Sun Tzu
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This is the most disappointing Cody's video ever. I love it
the worst coby video ever
I feel cheated by this video :/
Yeah, I mean, what if Japan had the power of God and Anime on their side? What would've happened then, huh!?
It's kinda like what if the T34 was never invented or what if the Battle of Stalingrad was lost, the war would still end in German failure because the overall strategic numbers have always been stacked against them.
Well, of any of the changes Gavin Yong, that Germany might have had a better chance with... It was simply being nice. When they walked in there and started shooting, pillaging and raping at times and making the invaded fear the invaders far more than the Soviet's themselves, well then, now they had the actual bigger population and area against them. If they instead tried to fight a war in which the soviets could be rebelled against by the Russians themselves, then well, maybe they would have had a chance.
The answer of this video was obvious. When you look at the ship number the USN in the last year of the war, they were utterly ridiculous huge, compared to the IJN. The fate of the war was only decided at Midway with just how hugely the Japanese lost to a few number of ships.
ltflak Then why make a video about it?
Why invade when they could just blockade midway until everyone on the island starved?
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Nobody lives on Midway
@@Bigboy-mm3dd hes talking about the military personal on Midway lmao
Japan didn't have the logistics to maintain a blockade and it would have tied up resources needed elsewhere.
@@Crosshair84 what logistic? We are talking about an island in the middle of the pacific, with the US fleet destroyed and planes at the time unable to do journey from land, a few destroyers would have done the trick, heck, even torpedoe boats.
I don’t think we could stopped invasion of midway as we didn’t stop them at Philippines with 151,000 troops vs their 129,000. Midway had less then 3,500 troops who could just be bombarded to hell for days before ever landing troops. Just as we bombarded islands before sending troops.
So I think if they wiped the fleet out then taking the island would be cakewalk
Plus a blockade would starve them out. No fresh water on midway. You dont even have to invade, just cut off their supplies
I feel like Japan May have put up a fight, but they could never have taken Midway. They were just to unprepared and facing a more organized American force. Even if they won, the war still would have been lost, just at a much slower pace
No they could not, they would be attacked by the nearby aircraft carriers unless they took them out first, but this was not part of the plan.
Their statement that if even if we had lost our carriers they could not have successfully invaded Midway seems idiotic. They would not only have had their carriers and aircraft but they had SEVEN battleships which could have patiently bombarded Midway into ashes. At Guadelcanal there was a huge difference when the Marines were bombarded by Japanese battleships rather than heavy cruisers. It seems a foregone conclusion that if they Japanese had won at Midway they would have easily taken possession of the island.
@@johnmabbett6586 Actually it was the whole plan. The battle was specifically planned by Yamamato to destroy the American carriers in response to the Doolittle raid.
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Dude if you actually know history, then you would know that the Midway military base was basically a fortress. They had tons of aircraft and personnel waiting. There isn't much to speak about. What did you want to hear? That Japan was a mighty match to the American Navy? Um, it never was. Both Japan and Nazi Germany had brilliant ground troops, that when managed well, could have taken over Europe, but that's it. Their Navy would never ever beat the American one. That's it. I think the video did justice. It was a good roast of Japan
Nithin Srivatsa Then title this video "why Japan lost at Midway". What's the point of an alternate scenario if you don't want to create it in the first place?
Moral of the story:
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall;
All the king's horses and all the king's men
Couldn't put Humpty together again.
Make that "All the EMPEROR'S horses, and all the EMPEROR'S men", because the Japan had/has an emperor.
Wait... huberis? That was the whole point of that rhyme?
Another version:
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall;
All the king's horses and all the king's men
Said "Fuck it, he's only an egg".
They never actually say that Humpty Dumpty is an egg.
Ben Garfath Humpty Dumpty was actually a cannon
Basically if Japan had taken midway the us would’ve been on the defensive trying to secure Alaska and Hawaii giving japan the ability to invade Australia
Japan couldn't invade Australia even if they wanted to. Their forces were already overstretched securing their Asian territories, while suffering massive casualties fighting the Chinese.
At best they would occupy port Moresby and Darwin but thats about it.
No
they didn't want australia tho it wasn't in the southern expansion plan
Imagine if Japan had to defend themselves on a tiny pacific island halfway across the pacific from the most powerful military power in the world while also fighting the British and Australians.
A quick reminder that main objective was not the island but to destroy the remains of US navy, Victory over it would destroy the last carriers in the pacific and grant Japanese control over pacific. Also there was one mistake made by Japanese during Midway it was assigning Chuichi Nagumo to control Japanese fleet and air force. And American victory over Midway was pure luck.
Said Zzed Japan made plenty of mistakes. I don’t think assigning Nagumo was the issue.
The IJN simply didn’t know how to utilize their large advantage of vessels.
The IJN had a 11-0 advantage in battleships over the USN. The best place to use those battleships would have been to shell both islands of Midway.
Too many IJN vessels just sat and did nothing. Having Kondo’s invasion force south of Midway was a waste. Any invasion force should have come later.
Quite a few cruisers and destroyers and 7 battleships and 1 small carrier the Hosho (15 planes) were sitting back 300 miles from Midway. The carrier should have been used in the battle. The were mainly made of fighter planes to give CAP.
2 battleships should have come from the northern point of Midway and 2 from the South. The Musashi from the west.
This leaves 1 fast battleship and still and bunch of cruisers and destroyers to head east past Midway.
It wasn’t necessary to send a force to the Aleutians either. 2 small carriers the Junyo and Ryujo plus 82 planes and 3 cruisers and destroyers could have used at Midway.
The IJN could have also brought a 5th main carrier the Zuikaku. Probably 70 more planes. IJN could have had 9 carriers at Midway plus close to 500 planes.
Had the IJN planned to just “wound” the carriers with their planes then finish them off with their vessels they could have simply stocked more Zeros.
Imagine a Northern Force, Western Force, and Southern Force. 3 carriers in each force. They are not leading the way. The battleships are. Some planes launch and pass the battleships and the island is initially bombed by 50 planes with 100 fighters knocking out the US Midway planes.
The battleships arrive at Midway island. 2 from North and 2 from South. Their long range guns make Midway’s guns not reachable. Hard for the US to cover for both air attacks and island shelling.
Destroyers and cruisers from the South speed past Midway and looks like they are heading towards Pearl Harbor. The Soryu and Hiryu and trailing and the Zuikaku further behind. This force will then head North and cut off any escape route for the USN.
The Northern Force is made up of a split force with the Akagi and Junyo further north than the Kaga. This force is heading east trailing behind fast cruisers and destroyers.
The Western Force has the Ryujo, Zuiho, and Hosho. This force still has around 85 planes plus other cruisers and destroyers.
So what would the USN have done. Would they launch their carrier planes and hit the battleships to stop the shelling of Midway?
Would the US use their planes to hit the approaching Northern fleet?
Even if the US planes try to go after the IJN carriers...they are all split apart and not easy to find. If they allow the IJN destroyers and cruisers to move ahead then the US risks vessel vs vessel warfare.
If the USN fleet is wiped out here then the IJN just starves Midway. Continuous shelling and air bombing. Cut off the fresh water.
His faffing about before committing to the armament swap and having all that ordinance on the hangar deck was the critical mistake.
No, man Nagumo often gets much unjust blame.
If you want an ACTUALLY good account of the battle of midway, settle down for the 90 minute 3 parter by Montemayor. Part one is now I 17 months old I think and sita at 8,5 mil views, while part 2 and 3 made 300k views in a week, releasing this August.
It's got Animated Battle maps and is told from the Japanese perspective so that you actually understand that and why Japan lost more than the US won...
Pure luck we anticipated the attack and played accordingly
@@Cheekclapper5000 Not pure luck, the Japanese code was broke by the US. The US basically know what the Japanese was planning.
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What if Spain joined the axis?
I have to wait 90 days to change my name France falls more quickly then they did in our time line.
France falls pretty quickly... Gibraltar would have fallen.... operation torch was not possible in this timeline bcuz the entry to Mediterranean is now held by Spain...and Mussolini wouldn't have been such an embarrassment
Sif 90 agree with u bruh who the hell needs the Spanish army when the German war machine can enter Iberia through France and guard the Gibraltar....
Sif 90 the thing is if Gibraltar is guarded no re-enforcements will arrive on allies side the only way to Africa is blocked so invasion of Italy is impossible until Gibraltar is again taken by GB or USA
Imagine the Chaos Spain would be if their population knew that USSR was pushing towards Berlin and Franco sided with Hitler.
2nd Cvil war incoming
Didn't quite like how this video turned out.
Feels a bit pointless if we're going to end it with
"It was inevitable."
True, it may have been, but with such a title, I feel duped out of a Japanese-Victory scenario that isn't the out-landish "The Man in the High Castle" scenario.
I’m going to be completely honest these are something I look forward to because ww2 is on my favorite historical time periods and history my favorite I honestly truly loved these video and what ever do please on Gods green earth never stop making these videos
Can you make a video about what if Russian Empire won the Russo-Japanese war?
If Wargaming pay him to do so
Soviet Onion He only does tose videos along side his actual videos, these videos are just bonuses
Probably all that changes is that Russia gets full control of Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands a couple decades earlier then in OTL, they'd probably also grab the Liaodong peninsula so they could have the warm water port they wanted. I doubt they'd have conquered anything more of Japan, even the (at the time) sparsely populated Hokkaido; the Russian Empire couldn't administrate and wasn't interested in administrating a distant, densely native populated and highly nationalistic and stubborn colony like mainland Japan would've been.
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I’d just like to say that I really appreciate how to the point and short this video was. I would have liked a little more on why Midway island was very unlikely to fall to the Japanese as that has often been over looked but I was really happy that you brought it up at all.
Add two years to the Pacific war if after Japan had destroyed the Pacific Fleet then had followed up destroyed Pearl Harbor and the airfields on Oahu.
Dude if they destroyed the 3 carriers in midway then the american fleet would have not supply the japanese in guinea and japan is literally free to do anything for 6 MONTHS
What if the US join the central powers in WW1
Squiby very unlikely
they'd get slapped by a chinese guy
Squiby Watch zvallid's video about this.
He's already explained it in the Confederate video.
Sir Jaojao not really there was a lot of sentiment to both sides before they joined
What if Australia won the Emu war?
No memes about it
Seriously though fuck Emu's, they need to be gunned down, nasty fucking ratbirds.
Ww2 would have never happen
Following the nuclear blast a large part of Australia would become an irradiated wasteland.
This would only be a temporary reprieve because giant two headed mutant emus would emerge from the killing zone and terrorize Sidney and Melbourne.
What if the emus had declared war on the Australians and took over the country
I disagree about Japan getting slaughtered on the beaches. With the US Navy gone, it would be all too easy for the the Imperial Navy to cover the land invasion with shelling, bombing, etc. Midway Islands, unlike Okinawa, Iwo Jima, Guadalcanal, etc. are just 2 islands that are mostly beaches. It doesn't have any mountains or rough terrain for infantry to seek extensive cover in. Odds are that the Japanese infantry storming the beaches would initially get slaughtered but not for long as all the American positions would be revealed and hell would rain down from above.
While Japan would still most likely lose the war itself, I don't believe anyone can really put up much of a fight on 2 small beach islands with no naval support, while the enemy has ships like; the Yamato raining 460 cm shells down on you.
Yamato? The Yamato? That ship was barely in any battles. It would stay for a time but would leave after some time. That ship was nearly worthless because everytime it took major damage they'd left. As someone once called it, "The right ship but placed in the wrong war." American planes took it out. I doubt that ship would do anything during midway. Interesting idea, just planes were the way of the future.
The Yamato had to refuel every couple hundred miles due to its monster engines. Even if they had knocked out American Carriers, and magically kept all of theirs, the Airbase on Midway could wipe Yamato, a incredibly large target, and any others into the sea. The Japanese Air Force was weaker than the U.S., loosing AC’s about balances it out. But then being stretched on Supply and having superior numbers would tip scales back to the Americans. As Cody said, the only way for the Japanese to not loose to the Americans is not to declare war at all.
@@alshnevermore3741 which is true in OUR time line but in this scenario, the US navy has suffered two major naval defeats and there isnt an aircraft threat to hound the Yamato
Then you're just making the American's out to be stupid.
@@Roamingeast uhh... Midways still had airbases?
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"Sail the ocean blue in 1942." Nice one.
"What if Japan Won..."? Wrong. Japan uses Yen, so they cannot have Won.
DeepSpace12 Thats funny
Underrated Comment.
The Privileged Capitalist more like comment most americans wont get
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If Japan won ; they’d only delay the inevitable.
Seriously tho ; the United States lost in Africa and they still won . The USA would gain experience from losing sure its closer to the mainland but japan wasn’t going to anything
The United States was already in full swing producing the shit out of everything to the war effort so it’s possible the Japanese navy could’ve been obliterated at Hawaii
USA is like factory for war, set it off on any country and it'll win
America's superpower is to be able to lose and keep on trucking.
@@frenchsoldier8485 The USA is an almost unique nation, especially in the middle of the 20th century. It straddled the Atlantic and Pacific, having numerous warm water ports on both. It had near inexhaustible industrial resources located within its borders. And those resources and the bulk of it's industrial capacity were far outside an enemies ability to strike. It further had the ability to move those resources between Atlantic and Pacific with relative speed and ease. The only other nation comparable at the time was the Soviet Union. The outcome of war with either was inevitable as sooner or later the shear economics of the situation would catch up and overwhelm the opponent. All of the Axis powers faced major limitations in industrial resources. The biggest being fuel. That is ultimately what the wars were about. The belligerents seeking to seize fuel resources. A famous statesman once described was as "Diplomacy by other means", which isn't exactly true. War is ultimately "economics by other means". The root cause of war is almost always economics.
@@andrewtaylor940 I'm aware, after all, there's a reason German troops tried to take Eastern Poland, because it had sweet oil
Pretty much, Japan could of won and took over Hawaii and they'd still lose eventually.
"Sale the ocean blue in 1942."
I see what you did there!
*sail
@@andymadden8183 Sale on the big ocean blue for limited time.
What if the Germany had accustrike nerf guns during World War I? Would central powers win?
Maybe if they figured out how to make them out of metal and fire Tankgewehr rounds.
It's nerf or nuthin'
YES
but germany DID win world war 1
Definitely
3:28 "As much energy, or men, or planes it threw..." lmao
"I love 'What if scenarios'...
"This could've happened..."
"This should've happened..."
What happened?
The US developed the atomic bomb first.
Who will be the eventual Victor?
Atomic bombs didn't matter much, they were no more destructive than firebombing. They destroyed no more buildings, killed no more people. Just different flavor.
They were dropped pretty much to try and intimidate the soviets
What would happen if Japan won one of the most important battles in WW2? Nothing. They still lose because they didn't have the power of anime and God.
Image 13137 AHHHHHHH!!!
Image 13137 Well Japan was too cocky of its own good. They only thought of Victory in every Battle. But like Hitler found the hard way, America was a sleeping Giant that need a kick in the ass to get it started. Pearl Harbor was that Kick in the ass. After Pearl there be no Mercy or forgiveness, After all America was dragged in by Japan.
If Japan ever Attacked Pearl Harbor the American People would stay out of World War 2 because it was Europe's Problem not America's. although FDR wanted America to join the Fight against Germany, Italy, and Japan there be no reason of America to join. But Japan give FDR a reason he been waiting of and America join the struggling Allies, all the way to Victory!
First Name Last Name Second paragraph, third word, put an "n" in front of it.
This battle is only important because the Japanese lost. If they had won it, it would just be another footnote.
@@fristnamelastname5549 Wym they were cocky bro you are clearly uneducated, the japanese were perfectionalist and were the best in naval warefare in doctrine and in experience, this video was so biased, if you are still there i can tell you my reasons bro.
what if the seven cities of gold really existed?
John Garcia
I like it. I like it a lot!
Simple: Hyperinflation. That much gold entering the economy would make gold essentially worthless, as literal cities with streets that have been gilded have far too much gold to reasonably enter the world economy of the time.
There would be lots of wars.
John Garcia I love it, CCCCCOOOODDDDDDYYYYYYY do it
Well, gold as a material is pretty worthless in the first place. Unlike copper or iron
I want more details about the midway island defenses.
I hope the video ain't American-biased. 🤣
what do you mean by that? i disagree with the flop at midway but it wouldn't be a crushing land defeat the u.s.a had something like 150 aircraft on the island and who knows how many japan would lose in trying to destroy the
u.s aircraft carriers and how many us planes would land at midway after the u.s carriers are destroyed
cabbage man midway is only 2 tiny islands, there wouldnt be enough room or fuel for 150 planes, most planes from the us carriers would probably have to ditch and swim to shore, what ever planes made it to midway would be tightly packed on to airfields and hangars, so they wouldnt be able to launch any large scale air offensives maybe a few air patrols/scouts and sorties against the ijn fleet with little effect. The parked planes would be easy targets for japanese ships and planes and the garrisoned troops would be pounded but they would probably hold off like Wake island and eventually surrender
@@kennooo535 They already had 128 aircraft on the island
What if Germany won the Battle of Stalingrad
We're going to say Krankenhaus instead Hospital
Well....an ad. Maybe the channel will rebound with the upcoming Turtledove videos. Last several videos have been a real letdown. Just advertising for sponsors essentially; at least it feels to me.
Hopefully he won't turn into another Matpat.
this is my favorite channel tbh
A surprisingly short video with less of the "let's just imagine everything working out perfectly so we can continue with the timeline" normally expected. The banter in the pinned comment makes up for it.
What if Prussia... did... something...
Just do a Prussia video!
Kievan Rus ok Want if Austrian Empire won The Austro-Prussian war
This episode was just an excuse to roast Imperial Japan, and I love it.
Braedon Merwin to sponsorship a video game*
Well yeah that too
Braedon Merwin weebs be aware! Your country's always been trash!
What if Japan joins Russia and China to kick arrogant American ass ?
As i chinese people's liberation army soldier I approve of this
You have a cat! That makes me like this channel even more
Nice & clean
You should do "what if the Italians weren't shit at war?"
What the bloody hell happened to the Italians? After Rome fell they became a liability in war.
Raving Rando It's always just waiting for them to switch sides.
Italy: Ital Ital?
Germany: Ich can't believe I'm allied vith you.
Massimo Mazzetti Well it did. Mussolini was kicked out of his own facist party. The new goverment started peace negotiations. It basically left the war.
Raving Rando well the big problem 'round WW2 was they didn't have a coal or oil industry which you needed one of to either A. run motorized military equipment, or B. sell so you can use money to expand your army.
These short videos that are basically ads need to stop. Your video on Mussolini's Roman Empire was only 6 minutes, half of it being an ad. This was only 5, with 1.5 minutes of advertising. That's just short of 1/3 of the whole video being an ad. What happened to the in-depth analysis? These videos just seem like a simple excuse to advertise for world of tanks or some other stupid app.
+sergeantassassin3 I'm fine with Cody advertising for 3rd parties outside of youtube's advertising. My problem is dedicating videos to three minutes worth of research and analysis with sizable or even equal amounts of time being devoted to advertising. It's one thing when a 15 minute video has a 2-3 minute ad, it's different when the video's only 5 minutes long. I don't know if he's running out of ideas or just knows that people will still watch videos with less commentary but the adpocalypse isn't stopping him from making quality content.
Look up Talkernate history, their videos, albeit longer, are more in depth as a consequence. The hosts are cool too
he was probably asked to make this by a lot of people since this was a key battle in ww2 and as he said no matter what it wasn't gona change any thing
This shit ain't a game.. The adpocalypse is no joke.. Apparently anything with military content is now demonitized, as the algorithm deems it "controversial and offensive".. "They train young men to drop fire on people but their commanders won't let them write "FUCK" on their aeroplanes as it is .."Obscene"!!.."
+sergeantassassin3 Coming back to this comment, there was a 45 second ad for world of warships before the video even started. He's not even getting demonetized for these videos.
1. The Japanese were very busy during the six months after pearl harbour, look it up.
2. The Japanese navy were not incompetent. They were undoubtedly the most experienced navy in the world when it came to aircraft carriers. They were headstrong and unsubtle, but that was a cultural thing.
3. The Midway defenses would have been bombed heavily ahead of the attacking forces. That was the main reason the Kido Butai were even there.
4. The plan at Midway was to heavily cripple the American navy. The Japanese wanted to win the war the same way they had beaten the Russians. If they crippled the American navy then they could negotiate for peace with the Americans with a lot of bargaining power. They knew they couldn’t defeat the American industry in a drawn out conflict.
Found the weeb
I doubt even then the united states would surrender. Such a thing back then would unfuryate the public in that time.
@@Rodrick-rx4hd he isn’t wrong
@@PremierCCGuyMMXVI no he is. The Japanese navy was not the best in the world. And even if they were they would not have the industrial power to replenish their lost assets.
@@seantamburrino7446 he’s right they could have won the battle of midway, a drawn out conflict? Unlikely, remember the Japanese Empire pushed the Americans out of Southeast Asia pretty easily
AHH inspired me to pick history for my GCSE studies :)
Just a question Cody, are you interested in countryballs?
RedEuropa y tho
countryballs is autistic and cancerous
Probably yes, he mentioned in one of his podcasts, but then later on scrapped it.
>Countryballs are autistic
>haha get triggered more, all your clay is mine.
??? I don't seem to get what you're talking about... triggered more?
Polandball/Countryball has been on the decline for a while. the highly immature and cringey fanbase doesn't help either.
What if instead of the emoji movie we got an amazing animated motion picture about one of the most recognized and influential Cartoon characters of all time
In the movie Midway, there is a scene at the end where after the battle One of the Japanese officers says "we can still win!" and advises the admiral to send more ships and the admiral responds "You've been playing too much Shogi" as in 'youve been gambling too much'. Its Ironic because the admiral was able to recognize that there but Japan itself made that mistake with attacking the US in the first place.
Can you please cover the following scenario:
What if Italy joined the central powers in ww1
What if everyone spoke one language?
No language barrier.
Less War, tho it would still exist.
Honestly Cody your editing has become fenominal (idk if I've written this word right)
*Phenomenal.
I have similar ideas regarding Alternate History.
That many historical events happened for several solid reasons, and even among the what if scenarios, those solid reasons would still have some impact so the alternative timeline might not be that fundamentally different than the actual reality. If anything, had those historical events produced a different result, it would just delay or accelerate the inevitable.
Several important points are omitted.
First, Yamamoto knew that if the U.S. carriers weren't destroyed at Pearl Harbor, Japan would probably loose the war (Luckily they were at sea when Pearl Harbor was attacked). He knew that the United States' industrial might would, in time, overwhelm Japan. Midway was a chance at redemption (a 2nd chance at crippling our carrier fleet).
Second, even though the U.S. had cracked the Japanese code and knew of the attack of Midway (the fake freshwater shortage story), they didn't know where the Japanese carriers were. The U.S.S. Nautilus was led to the location of the Japanese fleet by following a Japanese destroyer, the Arashi. Up until this point, the U.S. forces at Midway were losing badly. Nagumo compounded the situation when he decided to change the mission of the planes on the Japanese flight decks. The torpedoes were removed from the planes (left on the flight decks), while the planes were rearmed with bombs. When the U.S. planes started finding their mark on the Japanese carriers, all the munitions left on the flight decks made for an impressive 4th of July show. Three of the four carriers were sunk and the fourth was heavily damaged. Japan never recovered from this loss.
Had the Japanese fleet not been located, Japan probably would have ended up with air and naval superiority at Midway. The planes and their destroyers would have bombed the snot out of the island before attempting an amphibious invasion. The invasion would probably have succeeded (the Japanese military was not as inept as you make them out to be). The loss of Midway would have put the United States on the defensive for quite some time, prolonging the war.
how the fuck would losing Midway prolong the war or even put the US on the defense? do you have any idea just how much the US was able to produce at that time?
like holy fuck how can you be this shortsighted.
even if this somehow prolonged the war through your magical thinking. JAPAN WOULD STILL LOSE THE SAME WAY. aka making the entire idea pointless.
wow all these mental gymnastics to at best make the war take a few more months to end.
Nahhh I'd rather wait for War Thunder ships mode. If I was ever interested in ship battles.
Keep waiting.
Txtspeak you do know that WOT fans said the same about the ground forces don't you? And right now its superior in every way to WOT...
WT ground forces is shit *grab popcorn*
flipping cod ww2 tank mission is better than WOT.
Opinion
This video was sponsored by Battlestations: Pacific. Oh wait...
That would make sense, pretty good game.
Yoy
Well, that was a quick one ^^'
Japan was actually not confident at all at the start of the war, Yamamoto actually admitted that Japan had no chance of victory after the first 6-12 months of the war
Jpan knew going into the conflict that they couldn't win a long war because they couldn't match American production and manpower, which is why they tried to crush American morale through decisive victories.
Sadly for them, America did not break, and so the war was doomed.
What if Germany took Africa
Erwin Rommel Germany would get oil and probably blitz through ussr during operation blue
Erwin Rommel in WWI or WWII?
Merkel would spread even more "peaceful migrants" into mainland germany.
You'd have more oil resources though so that's fun.
You still would have lost due to the fact your industrial capability was so far behind that of the US and USSR. Even with unlimited oil the fores of Nazi Germany would have been overwhelmed
There are too many what ifs in life
What if germany lost WW1? thx
AngryScottishGinger Germany did lose WW1. It’s called “history.”
Swoosh
Persian Aryanism WHAT
AngryScottishGinger m8 you've been playing too much Kaiserreich
Oh yes, I see you haven't checked Erich Paul Remark's Fuhrerreich. It's about having the Germans lose the Weltkrieg.
It will be explained that after the American entry on the side of the Entente, Germany has been totally overrun by early 1919 by the forces of France and Britain. The Austro-Hungarian Empire is torn into pieces, with most of its Balkanic regions been changed into puppet states under Serbian authority, and the Hohenzollern dynasty is deposed in Germany, being changed into a weak democratic republic.
As a debt of war, France occupies the western bank of the Rhine; spending their energy by struggling against the German patriots, the Entente lets the Soviets win the Russian Civil War, establishing a communist Russia that takes control of formerly German Eastern Europe and Northern China.
In a context of political violence and Red Scare, Germany soon falls into anarchy, partly occupied by French forces and constantly having to deal with communist or monarchist riots. The western democracies themselves, with their Parliaments full of patriotic and chauvinistic war veterans, soon fall into an authoritarian system.
In this chaos, a man arises as the leader of an anecdotical party, the National-Populist Party of German Workers: Adam Dressler is a war veteran from Sudetenland who caught syphilis in the trenches. After a bloody coup tentative in Berlin, he is condemned to only 9 months of jail by a corrupted court. In jail, he writes a manifesto detailing the future that his crazy mind has imagined: a giant German Empire stretching from the Atlantic Ocean to the Pacific one, after the extermination of all inferior peoples and the creation of a perfect man. After his release from jail, he begins an electoral campaign that seduces the humiliated and exhausted German: Dressler is elected as President of the German Republic at the end of the first part.
As President of the Republic, Dressler soon establishes a xenophobic and militarist dictatorship, along with the immoderate personality cult that gives him the title of Leader, or "Führer". Western democracies, weakened by internal disputes, let him annexing German-speaking parts of the former Austria-Hungary, and ally with the vainquished powers of the Weltkrieg. The German armies easily overrun France, and is rejected by the British forces during a landing attempt in Scotland. Motivated by his own anticommunism, Dressler then decides to invade communist Russia. After first success, the huge Russian army finally destroys its German enemy, and the whole continental Europe is soon invaded by the communist armies.
If I didn’t already have the game, that World of Warships ad would have worked wonders on me. I like ships, I LOVE watching my enemies sink into the abyss.
I am surprised that you did not mention that we were reading the Japanese codes. If we did not know where the Japanese fleet was going to be and when the battle could’ve ended up very different.
What if Cody didn’t sell himself out?
Riley Miller bitch he needs that money to pay for college.
What if America joined the Central Powers?
JCtitanic15 that would be interesting.
Then the Central Powers would've won.
Central powers win a Pyrrhic victory, first subduing Britain with ease but coming across some trouble trying to invade Russia. However Russia eventually falls after a long drawn out war with massive casualties on both sides due to the combined industrial might of America and Nazi Germany combined. Italy sits in the corner and sucks its thumb.
Vsolid so everything but the Italians war strategy changes?
Slappy the clown ??? We’re talking about WW2.
Everyone gangsta till his cat shuts up at 3am.
Like this style, just because the changing of a certain event might not change history much, I find it interesting because it helps me understand which events are more history changing than others. More videos like this would be awesome just maybe a bit longer than this (maybe go into more detail about why it wouldn't drastically change history) NOT that this video wasn't good, I just like your content and longer videos mean more learning.
EDIT: Like if u agree or comment it yourself I just want him to see this I'm not trying to get likes
if Japan couldn't have won either way what was the point of this video?
It's so people wouldn't get mad at Cody for not uploading.
So that people know they couldn't have won
I think the point may have been that no matter the result of that individual battle, the US had the industrial capacity to win the larger war.
Sweet, sweet sponsorship and advertising revenue.
Darth Kieduss to satisfy curiosity my good sir.
I'm not much of an online gamer with Battleship games I was just interested in the alternate possible history of Midway that's all that's pretty much it thank you very much alternate history Hub I love your work please keep it up
A month before the Battle of Midway there was the Battle of the Coral Sea where the U.S and Australia smashed Japan so by the time Japan attacked Midway they were already on the back foot not only with naval battles but with the losses on their island hopping campaigns that were first slowed down and halted by Australian Forces. Midway was the nail in the coffin for the Japanese offensive in the Pacific but a lot of other battles built that coffin around them.
One change I can see would be to pop culture. Specifically, Star Trek. The flagship of several series is the Enterprise, which was named such because of the USS Enterprise CV-6, a ship which fought at midway. If that ship was sunk, chances are the creator of Star Trek would have gone with his original thought of Yorktown. A small change perhaps, but an interesting one. At least to me.
I would have really liked to hear what strategic mistakes the Japanese Navy made in Midway.
The game-changer isn't exactly Midway itself, but rather the battle of the Coral Sea. If Shokaku and Zuikaku hadn't been beaten so hard, they would have joined the Midway fleet and thus flip the balance. A victory at Midway in these conditions would probably have elongated the war for some time
I love how the game being sponsored is related to the video, clever girl.
Rip that guy at the end, you will be missed.
I HAD TO STOP KATYUSHA EARRAPE FOR THIS
I was listening to that as well.
Just look up stalins singing schoolgirls. You won't be disappointed
I must be on every watchlist then, come get me CIA.
Chandler Short what even is that also don't send me links because I won't click them
YOU WATCH ALTEENATE HISTORY HUB? It's Emperor Leroy!
I can't help but wonder, what is the point of advertising a video game that EVERYBODY knows about?
Wargaming just want to attract more people to play their games and HOPEFULLY, they buy the premium ships Wargaming has to offer.
I ask myself that every time I see a Coca-Cola ad.
Jason Fischer that would be a consumable
Blazar Craft Yeah?
honestly, WG ads is super annoying
I did this as a history project (2000) word essay and find it kinda interesting ngl
Right... the US success of invading and defeating much larger Japanese forces on these islands had nothing to do with the fact that they had overwhelming air and navy support
Yup. I don't know why you can't think Japan would fail here when given those same advantages.
4:20 nice spongebob reference.
More important question, would Anime exist in smaller or larger quantities?
The Lich King MK not at all
No nukes = no anime.
hard to invent anime if your nation doesn't get cucked by atom bombs.
That movie was probably my favorite war movie I’ve seen in the past decade. Dunkirk and 1917 were also great.
I bet he doesn't want his cat to shut up at 3 am.
Love your videos, but you should put less emphasis on your sponsorship, they are a large chunk of the video, which is kind of disappointing as a long term viewer.
Steven Sitzman unless you send him a check regularly you can't complain. Man's gotta make money somehow
Joesolo13 If the quality falls too much, he won't have audience. Without the audience, the sponsorships don't come. Even ignoring the time spent on the sponsorship, this video was very poorly done with little to no apparent research put into it.
The main problem is that he doesn't really address the scenario. He just goes "Japan made a bunch of mistakes that made it impossible to win. If they somehow they win the naval battle, they don't take Midway." That is the entire video's content. However, the Battle of Midway wasn't just the naval part. If Japan doesn't take the island, then they have not won the Battle of Midway.
Normally, he tries to give at least *some* information to set up the scenario, but he didn't even bother with this video.
otako spotted
What if Napoleon won the Battle of Waterloo?
Same situation really, it would have only delayed the inevitable.. Had he won it would have only meant a victory against Britain, Prussia and the Netherlands. He had still pissed off the rest of Europe and probably would have been crushed by Russia had the UK failed. Not only that but the UK was in a position to just keep trying until it succeeded given that Napoleon had little chance of matching Britain's navy to the extent that he could invade.
Folks forget that Napoleon crushed the coalition 5 times before he went down and even then he got back up. If the 7th failed there would have been an 8th, 9th 10th etc. until they did him in
Cat: My victory every 3am will always be inevitable...
yes Cody, please enlighten us with ALL details
Wait, WTF. Now You are just being lazy. In other videos You already made many huge assumptions that somehow, by pure miracle one side won a battle with someone else despite basically having 0% chances of winning and made an alternate history our of it. But in this video You are just like "no, they can't win no matter what, now watch my sponsored ad".
Kreskówkowy Krytyk had Japanese codes not been broken giving the US prior warning of the attack, had Japanese scout planes or subs spotted the US fleet earlier, had even minor mistakes been made in damage control or maneuvering by the US navy.
All of these are possible scenarios that could have led to a Japanese victory at Midway, but no we simply get a 'it's impossible under all circumstances', bit sad really
The scenario was "what if Japan won the battle of Midway" not "what if by some miracle Japan won WW2."
The point is, Midway wasn't the turning point people think it is. Japan would lose either way.
Kreskówkowy Krytyk alternate history is about making assumptions or do you somehow know everything that would happen in alternate world?
The Japanese planners knew that they would ultimately be defeated by the US in a war because Japan has no naturual resources.They basically wanted to urt the US bad enough and make the cost of war so outrageous tat the US would sign a peace treaty that wuld allow Japan to keep some of its territories.
Yeah, Japan needed to grab all the Pacific oil / petrol areas to even have a chance at maintaining their empire. The Brits were sitting on most. FDR cut off U.S. oil to Japan preventing their engine from revving up to take it from the Brits. Once the U.S. started island hopping it was practically over. Its one thing to march into China and Korea. Its quite another to add front they didn't truly need. Yes FDR was goading Japan to try something, but they didn't truly need to take the bait. They got greedy and it burned them.
What a weird coincidence; I was just talking about imperial Japan and nukes.
TheMewx 'tis strange
TheMewx 2 days ago in history my class was class was talking about WW2 mainly the pacific and the nukes.
I love this
This is what happens when you try to declare war on 3 giant superpowers when all of your Allie’s are not even close