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The fact that you know that Link is not Zelda put's you above like 90% of the population.
I'll take it
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So at the end of Skyward Sword which is the beginning of the timeline, Demise makes a curse or something like that, a promise that he will return and that sets up a loop. The three parts of the triforce are always Link, Zelda and Ganon/Ganondorf(ganon is referred as the animal form and ganondorf the gerudo form), so yes every other new generation you got a new Zelda a new Link and a new Ganon that will always clash, sometimes evil wins sometimes doesn’t, and no they don’t keep their memories(except ganondorf I guess lmao) they are different people but the destiny is always the same
"New Ganon" isn't totally accurate since he only reincarnates once between all three timelines, aside from that one time (which since he keeps his memories is a bit questionable) it's always the same Ganon from Ocarina of Time just either older and wiser like in the adult timeline or dumber and revived like in the other two timelines.
@@SpiritOfSpite right, i just got mixed up on the reincarnations cause everyone is but ganon is usually just sealed lmao, i completely skiped over that yes thank you
Actually technically there's only 3 Ganons so far compared to 11 Links and 12 Zeldas, It's actually incarnations of Demise which represents a majority of the Zelda villains bar examples such as Majora, Bellem, Yuga and Nightmare. Vaati for example would be the first incarnate in the timeline. It's demises's corruption corrupting people. Ganon is the true reincarnation but he's only incarnated in ganon 3 times.
OOT Ganondorf (is the Ganon in most of the games)
FSA Ganon
TOTK Ganondorf
And technically Aganim but he was more a reincarnate vessel so that Ganon could act outside the dark world to gain more power and influence which makes him more of an incarnate or an incarnation of Demise and i have no idea what to call that.
For zelda it's not every other generation, it's every generation. It's tradition to name the firstborn woman in the royal family "Zelda"
This may come off as a bit pretentious, but i think the main appeal of Zelda Lore can be compared heavily to the appeal of Chess. You familiarize yourself with the pieces, how they can move, which pieces have more potential to be significant than others, etc. then the fun comes in figuring out in what order those pieces move, and where those pieces go. and what pieces play what part in toppling the King. By having a mostly solid structure to serve as the basic foundation for the story it puts more emphasis on the details of each game, and its these details that make each zelda game a unique experience while also giving them a cohesion that makes a Zelda Game easily identifiable.
I mean royal family's naming their kids after other members of the royal family was a common thing so every princess being called Zelda fits. Even then the only members of the royal family we ever hear about is the current princess and maybe the current king. With link it could be they're are named after the previous heroes as a good luck charm i guess since not all the links are blood related, they are tied together by the Hero's spirit.
Basically,
Link reincarnates
Zeldas are just descendants
Ganon is immortal. It’s one guy. He does reincarnate once because he died though.
26:58 Yeah, but that’s like saying we should fix global warming by blowing up the Sun. It’s not a good idea.
i always took it that Hylia was being reincarnated in her bloodline
@@BARALover96 Only Skyward Sword Zelda is Hylia’s reincarnation.
Hylia is apparently back in wherever the gods live. Because we can speak to Hylia via the Goddess Statues, while Zelda is still around.
For example, in BOTW, Hylia (via a statue) lets us know that the Dragon Naydra was corrupted.
It doesn’t make sense for Hylia to be reincarnated as Zelda, yet also be present as Hylia in the heavens.
It also doesn’t make sense for her to reincarnate via the bloodline, because parents and children can be alive at the same time.
BOTW Zelda’s mother had the sacred powers too.
Let’s assume she is Hylia’s reincarnation.
She gives birth to Zelda, who also has sacred powers.
Would that mean that Hylia somehow has two incarnations at the same time?
I know the mother died, but she and Zelda were living together at some point.
Both Link and Ganondorf reincarnate, while Zelda is different. We've had a total of three different Ganondorfs throughout the series: OoT/TP/WW, FSA, and TotK.
@@LoinkLoink Ganon rarely reincarnates because he is usually beaten, not killed.
And different timelines do not count as different incarnations. For example, MCU Spider-Man isn’t the reincarnation of Raimi Spider-Man. They are just variants of each other.
Still, you are technically right. He can reincarnate.
@@g.masterlordoftheg-force4770 I was including the three together because they're all technically the same Ganondorf, but you got it
The curse goes for those who carries the Blood of the Goddess and the Spirit of the Heroe, the wrath of the demon king will chase them for eternity. This implies that all the Zeldas are descendants from Zelda (Skyward Sword), she was the reincarnation of the Goddess Hylia and all of the Links are the reincarnation of the Spirit of the Heroe (the spirit of heroe is the player, that was Miyamoto´s intention whe he created link, he is the "link" to the player, That´s why he never speaks in the games). And finally Ganon/Ganondorf is the Wrath of Demise.
8:27 its supposedly reincarnations of link and zelda, the "spirit of the hero" and "blood of the goddess"
Those were the words demise (the first bad guy) used in his curse
There's a fan made comic someone made that makes fun of the fact that every hero and princess is named Link and Zelda respectively. Zelda tries to ask the army captain if he has anyone that goes by the name Link, and then all of them, including the captain, stand up. She finds out that two thirds of all children are named Link in their parents hopes that their child would be the next hero. It annoyed the historians trying to separate the accomplishment of one Link from another, and it also made sorting through mail a headache too. She also states that she's Princess Zelda the four-hundred and ninety-third.
As a side note, theres a fan made series called A Hero's Purpose by MajorLink that tries to fill in the gaps on what happened to the Hero of Time between the events of Majora's Mask, and Twilight Princess. I do recommend checking out out. As well the Ocarina of Time remake playlist by the same CZcamsr.
My head canon is that there are two Links in the child timeline. The one that originally was there sleeping in his home in Kokiri forest, and the one that was plucked from the adult timeline and put into the child timeline.
The adult timeline Link lost the protection of the Deku Tree when he gets sent to the new timeline. He can no longer hear Navi, which is why she leaves without saying a word, and why he gets lost when he goes into the Lost Woods to look for Navi at the beginning of Majora's Mask. The child timeline Link goes on to marry Malon and their lineage births the Link you play in Twilight Princess, while the adult timeline Link goes to Termina, becomes a knight when he returns, and then later becomes a Stalfos, the Hero's Shade.
So a couple of things this video doesn't really touch on, some of which are still technically theory but also sort of implied. Whilst the default name is Link, we choose the name. The heroes of the past are never actually referred to by name, they're referred to as 'hero of time' 'hero of wind' etc. So technically the name we choose is sort of canon. Whilst the video says that wind waker Link is THE Link, it's kind of implied that he is not a reincarnation, but actually a new hero, that is tested to be acknowledged by the gods. The 'spirit of the hero' was sent to the past after all. This is also why the triforce of courage is shattered into pieces. As he's sent back, the triforce of the present both does and doesn't get sent back, causing it to shatter in the present.
Ironically, Tears of the Kingdom is the one game that closes the majority of the gaps in the timeline. It takes place at the beginning and the end.
So, do you think that the three godesses left the Triforce behind because godesses couldn't use it? Where they like "Meh, no use keeping this around, since we can't do anything with it. We might as well get rid of it."
the way the cutscene in Ocarina of Time phrases it, the Triforce kind of just appeared in the spot where the golden goddesses left Hyrule. maybe it's creation was just kind of an incidental part of them leaving the Earth?
@@statboosts279 correct. it's not like they just "left it behind."
Ooh if Lauren enjoys some LoZ content maybe she and/or some of the other duos could look into the Zelda Fan Animation Series: The Legend of Zelda Hero's Purpose
which is meant to bridge the gap of child Link after Termina to his useful cameo appearance in Twilight Princess.
I believe there are currently 6 episodes and still a few to go in the works. They are really good.
I wouldn't say descendents per say but mostly incarnates some descendants
Link is the ultimate poon hound... He can manipulate time, go to other dimensions to get it on with a princess... I counted atleast 4 princesses, not counting those tens of zeldas
Tears of the Kingdom just takes place a few years after Breath of the Wild. It's the same Link, the same Zelda, the same everyone from Breath of the Wild.
I don't get how being a bartender is relevant to Zelda but good video
Nintendo makes each game perfectly playable standalone without having to know the lore but if you DO know the lore you get a lot more out of each game. The connections between the games were purposeful from the beginning of the series.
They also make gameplay ideas before locking down the lore so it allows them to be very experimental with the gameplay making each title its own distinct thing instead of the same thing over & over again. Wind Waker is a great example of this.
The best way to put it is that Nintendo creates Zelda lore in a Tight/Loose fashion.
Tight enough to have connection but Loose enough to fit a game/story within previous entries if needed.
They always leave something open so they can fit in new games to the collection without painting themselves in a corner.
In Nintendo's eyes, Zelda fans THINK they know all there is to know about Hyrule & the world of Zelda...
...but they don't know EVERYTHING about this world we made & we will feed it to them piece by piece with each game.
Each game that comes to the series makes the lore richer & richer which eventually makes all the games more valuable.
It's great for Imagination Land AND Commerical Success. The series' value accumulates over time by doing it like this.
Say a newcomer who has heard of the legendary-ness of The Legend of Zelda wants to jump in & play, he/she has almost 40 years of varied titles to play through. Each game that person has a good experience with will be locked in as a fan once he/she sees a reference to that particular game in another Zelda title. THEN he/she becomes infatuated with the lore as a result.
They wonder how far back Nintendo planned all of this. Was it mapped out early on or patched together as they go or both?
There was always a Meta-Game Nintendo had in mind with this series. And how they suck in new fans is part of that game.
The appeal of this series ALSO exists because Zelda is a Religious series. It has parallels with real world situations.
So these games might tell hidden truths about our actual world making you wonder what Nintendo developers read!
You see elements of Christianity, Shinto, Buddhism, & so much more within along with Science.
Princess Zelda could be an allegory to Jesus Christ just as much as she can be an allegory to Amateratsu the sun goddess.
So at some point the lore adds weight to the study of philosophy/religion as well.
One of the 3 Creation Goddesses named Nayru the Goddess of Wisdom can also be known as the Goddess of Water & the Goddess of Sky when you see the connection between the merman-like Zora & the birdman-like Rito.
Zora Fish "fly" in the water just like Rito Birds "swim" in the sky. So that's how Zora & Rito connect.
And before you know it, you've stumbled onto the story of the Firmament which says that God divided the Primal Sea into Upper Layer & Lower Layer. It's ALL Water really. The molecules are just thinner & more spread out in the Sky over the Ocean.
Triforce can easily be tied to the Trinity. It's very heavy stuff actually. I'll stop here.
But never make the mistake of thinking Nintendo didn't think this lore through. It's convoluted but very purposeful.
I just love it when people make the mistake of saying 'Ancestor' instead of 'Descendant' when talking about the latter. /s
Seriously though, the Zelda series is pretty crazy with its lore. And I guess this vid is an okayish vague nutshell on the entire series. The person did get some stuff wrong and skipped over a lot of other stuff but I get that she just wanted to save time. As for where Tears of the Kingdom takes place approximately six years after Breath of the Wild base on Riju's age being 18 and she was 12 in Breath of the Wild.
Examples of what was skipped: The Hero of the Sky (OG Link) using the sacred flames and Zelda's divine blessing to reforge the Goddess Sword into The Master Sword, The Hero of Time was looking for Navi in Majora's Mask, the fact that it is a new Link and Zelda almost every time (and that they don't retain their memories).
@@richardkirkland6805 Mm. Very true. ^^
The video u were reacting too wasn’t a good one, they left out a lot of crucial parts and explain things poorly and skips around
is there a better one?
@@ChicagoReactspolygon has a satirical video that is ironically more accurate that's part of the unraveled series.
@@RedElm747 should i watch it?
@@ChicagoReacts It's funny but I don't know how informative it would be to someone unfamiliar with the franchise. imo basically all the unraveled videos are pretty good.
There are better Zelda timeline videos, this one is pretty lackluster
There’s a simpler way to look at this entire video. Nintendo re-booted Zelda over and over, but then for some reason decided they wanted to make all of them canon, and created an abomination of a timeline forcing games that had no intended relation together.
Incorrect there has been a timeline since the second game and they haven't rebooted Zelda.
@@Ahouro that’s a straight lie. The earliest POSSIBLE timeline is one that was developed around 2003 as a developer team eyes-only, something they were fiddling with to see IF THEY COULD connect all the games, and the first official timeline ever listed to the public as canon was not put out until almost a decade later, in late 2011. Apparently the experimental version is suspected to be a bit older but it is not expected to be decades earlier as it would need to be for it to be at minimum a work in progress by the second game, Even if we assume the experimental version was created a few years earlier in 2000, you’re already 5 Zelda games deep with Majora’s Mask almost ready to ship out, and if the date of the experimental is accurate, they were already up past windwaker. As for the timeline players would have any clue about, that wouldn’t be posted until December of 2011, so basically just 2012. By this point, there were only 2 other games besides the BOTW duo that had not been made yet. The timeline was 100% a theoretic connection of games that were not intended to be connected, at least as early as Majora’s mask and all games before it, and they did not settle on a canon decision until 2011, and it does not take you 8-11 years to know what you’re doing, they were re-arranging puzzle pieces to make something that “kinda” fits. And BOTW just definitively puts it to bed, cause they just stopped entirely and didn’t even try to add that one in, 6 years it’s been and you’d think they’d stick it on the line if they had an intended lore from the start, but clearly they’ve decided trying to piece it in is more trouble than it’s worth. Treating re-boots like they were a crafted lore-recipe does not work.
@@Syntex366 No the first timeline was created when they made the Adventure of Link a direct sequel just because your to unintelligent to see this doesn't mean that the timeline wasn't created then and which games have they removed from canon if the answer is 0 then there is no reboot.
@@Ahouro you’re just making that up. No official timeline was posted until 2011, and the earliest anything was even conceived was 2003-ish. That’s just facts. And just because they refused to remove a game from the canon does not mean there was no re-boot, they created titles that had separations from others but then decided to try to connect them, hence why the timeline is messed, because these games were not meant to be combined and any theories that make SOME sense have a ton of guesswork and theoretical holding together the fragile mess.
@@Syntex366 Nintendo said in the manual of Zelda 2 that it is a direct sequel to Zelda 1 thus making the first timeline, then Alttp is a prequel to Zelda 1, Link´s awakening is a sequel to Alttp, I am not making anything up this is fact and Nintendo has built the timeline since the second game.
Gannon's the same guy every time because he's immortal. Zelda is being reincarnated and keeping her memories. Whenever she gets the triforce of knowledge back all the past memories return. Link's a new kid every time. Just some poor schmuck who has to save the world now!
Zelda isn't always a reincarnation. The one in Skyward Sword is a reincarnation of the Goddess Hylia. Every Zelda after is merely a descendant of this Zelda who's royal family carries the bloodline of the Goddess and the goddesses sealing powers. Link is always the heros spirit reincarnated. Sometimes he's also a descendant of a previous link
@@AlexFandino-xi3oo No she explicitly gets the memories of all the past zeldas when she gets the triforce piece. It's how she's always a helpless little kid at the start but knows everything in the second half of each game.
And the "spirit of the hero" isn't a soul. It's the infinite courage his triforce piece gives him. You even learn some sword skills from a previous Link in Twilight Princess, impossible if he's reincarnated.
He's just a random kid each time except for a couple where one link gets more than 1 game. And it's always worthless because Link has to beat 80% or more of the game first to get it, proving he didn't need it.
In Windwaker they outright say they dress every boy in green and call them link until they grow up, just in case, because any of them could be chosen to be Link whenever bad stuff starts happening again.
@acrab6527 Lol untrue. I have played every single zelda game (many multiple times) and have read the hystoria and encyclopedia multiple times as well. Leading up to TOTK I replayed every Zelda game in chronological order to the timeline. The Zelda in Skyward Sword is the only one who awakens as the Goddess and regains memories of her time as the Goddess Hylia. Every Zelda after that is just a descendant of Skyward Sword Zelda. They all carry the sealing powers of the Goddess passed down in their royal bloodline. Their powers awaken at some point but never memories of past Zeldas or of the Goddess. The triforce doesn't even appear in alot of Zelda games lol. Nor does Zelda gain the full triforce or even the wisdom piece in every game. Link is always the heros spirit reincarnated. The Link from Twilight Princess is a direct descendant of the Link from Ocarina of Time. Just because some Links are descendants of other Links doesn't mean they aren't the heros spirit reincarnated. They are both descendants and the spirit of the hero reincarnated. After all that Link has been long dead at that time. Demises curse literally specifically mentions that his curse will follow those with a special hatred for those "who carry the spirit of the hero and the blood of the Goddess." He's a random kid but one who carries the spirit of the hero chosen by the Goddess. That's why only he can weild the Master Sword. It's the hero's sword and literally chooses Link as it's Master every time. Fi's farewell speech echoes that "Goodbye Master Link, may we meet again in another life". Also in Wind Waker they dress boys in green to honor the hero of time (OOT Link). Not because they are aware of the reincarnation cycle. Noone is. Also they don't name every boy Link in that game either. That's not a tradition in that game or any Zelda game. Its a tradition to name most Royal females Zelda but that's it. Noone is aware of the reincarnation cycles. They're aware that the royal family carries the blood of the Goddess and her sealing powers that are dormant till they need to be reawakened again but that's it. The hystoria, encyclopedia, and the official site timeline all confirm this.
Only Skyward Zelda is a reincarnation. And it’s the reincarnation of Hylia.
Demise clearly stated that he cursed the SPIRIT of the hero, and the BLOOD of the goddess.
Spirit = Reincarnations
Blood = Descendants
All other Zeldas are just descendants who have holy powers just because they are related.
BOTW Zelda clearly mentioned that her mother also had those powers.
And if you think her mother was a reincarnation because she had the powers, it doesn’t make sense for her to give birth to herself while she is alive.
@@g.masterlordoftheg-force4770 Yes. This 👆