Porsche Macan GTS vs Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio | Super SUV shootout | Autocar
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- čas přidán 27. 10. 2022
- Super SUVs are a slightly bizarre concept. In reality, no one needs a high-riding, two-tonne family hauler with enough power to outdrag a supercar, but maybe they're one car to do it all?
Porsche has been a stalwart of this sector, from 2002’s Cayenne Turbo all the way up to this - the Macan GTS. Porsche’s smallest SUV already handles pretty well, so it could be a clear victory for this performance-focused variant.
However, it’s got some serious competition from a brand you might not expect - Alfa Romeo. The Stelvio Quadrifoglio brings beautiful looks and incredible noise to the table, all while being powered by an exotic twin-turbo V6.
Can Porsche’s predictable-yet-excellent Macan GTS beat this flamboyant Italian in real-world conditions? Join Matt Prior and Illya Verpraet as they find out.
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Agree with all of the audio complaints. They need to learn how to record voices because all you can hear is low mumbling the entire video.
What a joyless 17mins. No demonstrable "passion" for either vehicle.
I don't know which is more impressive - managing to make a review of performance SUVs more boring than a review of antique pottery, or having poor audio quality in 2022...Both are impressive achievements.
Best comment award
Talk about taking British understatement to the extreme. While I can’t fault their reasoning one bit, the delivery is less entertaining than watching paint dry……
I'm hollering!😂😂😂😂
Hahahaha! What a beast mode comment. I can only imagine that the only reason these videos persist, is because the neckbearded Matt Prior runs the channel. A shame too, because they get access to some pretty incredible cars
LOVE my Stelvio. One of best cars ever owned.
I’ve had my Stelvio Quadrifoglio now for near 2 years and love every mile! Sound is amazing (with the exhaust valve controller and valves in open mode all the time), and love it’s uniqueness!
Picked up a 2022 Stelvio Quad last month after spending weeks obsessing over the Macan. No regets whatsoever. It definitely feels like the more special car, despite not having as prestigious of brand recognition.
Great choice Charlie, enjoy.
Loved mine
Congratulations
I have one
I’ve owned a lot of serious fast sports cars
and also approx 5 range rovers
The Stelio QV is the only sport SUV I driven on a twisty road that feels like a big hot hatch .
I’m keeping mine ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
I’ve owned a Macan Turbo and now a ‘22 Stelvio Quad. There is no bad choice - both spectacular but you will enjoy the Alfa more. It’s a ton of fun.
Believe me my friend Alfa Romeo is well recognized, not the cars specifically but the brand itself, they seen it or heard of it, I have one in the states The Stelvio 2021 and I get complicates left and right, Especially every time I Valet park. Cant say the same about compliments when I was driving the Merc E Class 2019 AMG package few years back.
That's part of the magic of Alfa, isn't it? You're far from the first people to say something along the lines of "there are better cars, but you should buy the Alfa".
About to take delivery of a Stelvio Quad later this month. I've never owned an Alfa yet, but I've owned a lot of "good" cars. I guess I'll see for myself what makes these cars so special.
Poor production quality, 17 minutes of talking and cant hear any of it, unwatchable
I can hear all perfectly. Maybe the codec suits my iPhone better than other devices
It is very quiet, you ramp up the volume to hear them and then an advert hits and it's deafening
Rather watch their Indian channel, it's more fun
Sounds absolutely fine to me. Can hear every word clearly.
Trying to listen on full volume and can hardly hear it
The audio is so much quieter than the adverts in the middle of the video. Not great for late night viewing!
You guys must be getting spoilt!
I’ve never seen such a lack of excitement over two very good cars!
This guy looks like one of the Hansens from Slapshot hockey movie! Look it up.
Hahaha, he does...... those boys were nutters .... great film.
Your right, lol
Stelvio Quad is a drivers car and in a different league to drive. Pity they didn't put it in Race mode using the paddles as it turns into a riot!
So easy to be rude online. Volume comments are valid (on mobile speakers anyway) but I liked this thoughtful conversation, this is how you'd actually discuss a car comparison with a mate. So many other motoring review styles out there, just watch what you like.
Agree with this, don’t mind it at all 👍
Best car reviews on CZcams. True...there is something about the Giulia QV and if I was to need an SUV it would be the Stelvio. My QV is a 2018, and even though I own a 911 GT3 and 911 GTS, I have to force myself to drive them because the Giulia gives me joy and I want to laugh out loud when I drive it. I'm going to buy a 2024 just because it will be the last.
It's reviews like yours that make me want one. I'm going to look at one this week.
At a guess, the audio only works on a full surround system, as they have mixed the voices to left and right channels only and they need centre so you can hear it on a laptop. Watching on a laptop was terrible and casting to TV with surround sound was just about OK, although it does need centre audio for dialog.
Exactly
I literally fall asleep to this video
If two accountants with no idea about audio did a car review.. 😂
Seriously, the nerdy dude lulled me to sleep...
Which one was the nerdy dude?
Yes the Macan seems a safer pick. The exterior look is a bit more accepted. But it is extremely boring vs the Alfa. Ive owned my Stelvio QV for a couple months and its the most fun ever. I love the exhaust notes, the giant paddle shifters are amazing. And best part of it, very rare to see another Alfa on the road, yet alone a Quadrifoglio
A lot of achievements for Alfa Romeo to be compared and being a contestant with a Porsche
actually the then Porsche 924 was compated to the new Alfetta Gt in 1975 (both rear transaxle), and again with the Porsche 944 and Alfetta GTV6 (again both rear transaxle), with reviewers on road and track split between both for different reasons, but Alfa Romeo engineering then was very advanced and competely in house compared to the VW/Audi parts on the Porsche.
Look at race Alfas from the past.
Back then Porsche was still only a VW Beattle.
@@jareknowak8712 TODAY Porsche is a much better and valuable brand and technically is from another level.
Alfa(which I appreciate very much) is struggling to deliver some cars with medium-poor interior, interesting engines, german gearbox BUT LOVELY DESIGN.
Too bad for Alfa that they don't have any follow up for Brera, 4C and even Giulia. Alfa has very poor management and that hurts for business.
70 000 € or more for an Stelvio? Let's get serious...
I would say vice versa if you look the history, Macan isn't technically another level, I would say its sublevel and not the worth of Porsche name, its awful interior wise and quality isn't anywear near the best Porsches.
@@coltr7561 I've missed the point where I should said that Porsche IN GENERAL has better tech compering with Alfa. We must also compare a full option Porsche with a full op Alfa to have a good idea about
These are a surprisingly interesting comparison. I went with the Macan Turbo, which as they say does feel the better car, but you really have to try to make it feel RWD and not just grip (but it doesn't understeer either). For me the tipping points were the PDK (I'm sick of the zf8 in my X3 and don't want another slushbox right now, no matter how well tuned), air suspension to allow high and low ride heights, and the Stelvio Quad would have cost about $10k more (I was shopping the oldest models of each available in the US, and the Macans been around longer), with the Stelvio looking worse on depreciation. However, dynamically, the Stelvio does edge it out with a more rwd feel, at the expense of some day to day comfort.
You two get so excited. 😂
I just hope Alfa Romeo doesn’t make these cars EVs! It’s all about the engine….plz do what Ferrari does 🙏
Put smaller engines in their cars and charge even more for it?!?! LOL
@@ctk4949 it's not about the size of the engine but how you use it son lol HP > engine displacement
@@jrq3rq OK, but Ferrari is charging more for it. lol
@@ctk4949 Are they actually charging more or is the value of currency decreasing! And technically, they can charge whatever they want because they have 70+ years of racing history and make the best cars in the world. Alfa Romeo should have one signature engine and combine the same hybrid tech Ferrari is using. imo. Ferrari is my number 1, Tesla is my number 2 lol!
@@jrq3rq 2 car companies known for their reliability, LOL!!
I fell in love with macans many years ago and this is the first time ive had the thought that it wasnt the superior performance small suv
Depends on what you value more, polish or character. They made the point well that the Stelvio may be SLIGHTLY deficient in some areas, but the exciting character makes it all worthwhile. I almost wish the Stelvio had a long travel suspension and could take it on fire roads. THAT would such a hoot!
It’s like listening to it from feet away😟, it’s that quiet, hard to hear, for that reason I’m not concentrating hard enough to hear it, I don’t know if this video is trimmed down post production, but, you’d think clarity of sound, there voices would be a priority?
First video I have seen with you guys and I really enjoyed your approach. I am honestly sick and tired of hearing about tail lights and one car having 20 litres more of boot space. So well done. My conclusion from this is that you'd buy the Macan with your head but the Stelvio with the heart, which is a bit like how I feel myself. One of these days I will have to make a decision ...
What did you buy at the end ?
Two guys with the personality of cardboard reviewing two of the most exciting suv's around?
The bald dude didn't even want to put the GTS in sport mode and then complains about the PDK?
Terrible biased review.
Own one of these. Very perceptive review.
Stelvio vs. Macan is like Monica Bellucci vs. Angela Merkel
Bwahahaha!!
Terrible audio quality…. and a really boring review…. Referring to the production not the presenters.
I would like to see a comparison of Macan GTS vs X3 M
There really is no comparison. Cross shopped both. X3M is far too stiff and uncomfortable as a daily driver. Macan GTS has all the power you need and want, with the polish and prestige.
@@glucia2223 thank you
Geez the audio was terrible!!
This review was spoilt by VERY VERY BAD QUALITY audio - it was muffled, barely distinguishable & had a very poor & ultra-compressed frequency range - NOT at all what I was expecting from Autocar - seems as though there was NO final quality control checks at all before it was published & uploaded to CZcams.
Stelvio all the way. You have to work on sound quality...
what an appalling review
Why you upload video with such a poor sound?
Uff, usual fan but couldn't finish watching this video. Audio is lackluster, I just heard a lot of mumbling even though the information is there.
Great job you two. Enjoyed the banter. I just don’t understand the Porsche everything obsession. I think the Macan looks so ugly inside and out. That front bumper looks unfinished on the Macan. Meanwhile the Stelvio looks like a timeless classic. Gorgeous curves and lines. Sounds fantastic as well. Would take the Alfa over the boring German Q5/Macan. The Macan just isn’t special and maybe that comes down to it being essentially an Audi Q5
why is the sound so bad?
Jesus how boring was this, barely heard anything, just talking rubbish not actually showing the cars. Turned off partway through
Stelvio is brilliant
Came here to see a comparison of 2 exciting vehicles I’m considering buying. Leaving bored. Bueller? Bueller? Anyone?
Agonizing!
If there’s a competition who can make the most boring and sloppy car video, this channel would win with aces
How can you make the two most dynamic SUV's on the market sound so boring? 😴😴😴😴😴😴
cant hear much guys!
Much prefer the respectful even- handedness of the British auto journalists versus the snarky and often infantile shock jock attitude of most American car testers.
Porsche chassi : Volkswagen MLB plattform. Engines? Also Volkswagen.
Stelvio : Giorgio platform. Qv engine? Ferrari.
Porsche wins 🤣🤣🤣🤣
thank you for the review.. Please, please with sugar on top.. sort your audio.
Come puoi giudicare qualcosa con quelle felpe indosso?
who is this long haired dude
Stelvio for sure!!
Work on the sound and the brolls. Great information but bad production
To be honest they are criticizing unnecessary things from this review🤞
God this is dull.
A rather odd verdict, if you don't mind me saying...!
"... you could easily live with the Stelvio..."
That's not exactly "high praise" for a car that costs £10,000 MORE than the Porsche...!! 😵
Jesus this was a dull video …… turned off after 5 mins because I had to go finish watching some paint dry in my bedroom.
I cross-shopped these two to no end. Ultimately settled on the Macan with no regrets. Lots to love on the Alfa but the subpar quality of interior and overall finishes and depreciation outlook were deal breakers for me.
Looking at Macan turbo used currently too. Alfa seems a bit dodgy
@@jonasbaine3538 It's not a Corolla in terms of reliability, bit it's no more dodgy than any other premium euro car.
@@jonasbaine3538Get the Stelvio. Seriously. It's a special car. And I own a 911 GTS, as well. It's so fun, great daily.
Is this James May's son?
This review needs emotions! It is dull and sound quality needs improvement.
Having said that, I agree with the result, Porsche is the better built and overall better car but Alfa Romeo wins because of the driving dynamics and the whole driving experience...I bought a 2020 Quadrifoglio and love it, it is such as pleasure to drive it and throw it on the corners, it loves to understeer!
You guys didn't comment how much faster the Quadrifoglio is when compared to the Macan, I feel it is an important fact.
0-60, the Macan is slightly faster due to the PDK transmission being Amazing. But on the high end, Quad def faster.
Channel with 800k subs.
Potato as microphone.
Much as I like them both, if you want a proper car buy an RS4 or Guilia.
This video and sound quality is worse than the criticisms against the Stelvio. 😄
Good lord, as others have said more eloquently, this is a craptacular display of inadequate volume. I’ve subscribed only to hear, literally, what you blokes have to offer on car reviews.
‘This the better car - but we would prefer the other one’ - in a nutshell why Autocar is irrelevant as a magazine and why the World is mad. Journalists of all people should not be seduced by brand
This wasn't very good review at all an quality is crap too, these guys need watch Matt Watson on car wow or petrol ped on how to do a proper entertaining car review 🤞👍
So the Stelvio is quicker and better to drive but the Macan is the better car? That's laughable!
boring reviewers. fell asleep FFS
what?
You'd have to be a sad bore to pick the VW.
Boring 😮 less philosophy more car, we can judge the cars when we test drive them. 😂
Awful quality and the sound is so so bad. How can they publish something like this.
It pains me to say this, and I may be the only one with this opinion, but I think the Stelvio is actually better looking than the Guilia.
James Bond would have loved the ride in the Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio. _Shaken. But not stirred._
Dumb. Wow.
@@thomasferrarojr.9772 Your repertoire of the English language is quite stunning.
Thank you for your inspiring insight 8-))...
@@thezanzibarbarian5729 Firstly; my grasp of the English language is exceptional, thank you. Your (not you're, by the way) comment was an aimless attempt at humor, which failed miserably. I have a Stelvio and a 911 GTS, and the Alfa's suspension is more compliant. I'm quite sure you've never driven in the Stelvio. Would you like me to exemplify my eloquence further?
Might well be an interesting comparative video, but the driver of the Stelvio is inaudible! 😞
She's a great driver 👍🏻
Bwahahaha!!!
Can someone turn the sound up
…when your job is to make a nice video….and you can’t hear it?!? 🤣🤷♂️. Muppets!
What a bad review. Matt Fryer just bumbling on about nothing. So the Porsche is better but they would buy the Alfa. I have driven both and in my opinion the Porsche is far superior in all ways. Polar opposites in quality. Also you can lower the Porsche via a button on the Center consumer..
Having owned air suspension Range Rovers and suffered their maladies , having owned an early Lexus Cygness with air suspension that failed too , you can keep your air suspended sportified Audi Q5 with a Stuttgart emblem , I am so anti air suspension because , it is inherrenty unreliable , steel suspension does not go into a default mode or deflate without reason , does not ride on its bump stops when the shocks are worn , truly , air suspension is an unreliable toy .
It’s a Macan not a Macarn 😂
I enjoyed watching the Video Comparison 😊
IMO, it's very important that such a car is comfortable in day-to-day driving around town and on the motorway, which is most likely where it will spend >95% of its life for 90% of its drivers. If you're in the small minority of Macan customers, who have the opportunity to exploit the handling dynamics far more regularly, then you may well be prepared to compromise, but I personally would not, because a firm ride around town is not in anyway a "slight" difference or compromise, IMO.
I strongly argue that the whole idea of electronically-controlled suspension is to offer a choice between great comfort and great handling, and maybe in-between. If great comfort is not on offer in the comfort setting, it is my firm belief that the manufacturer has failed to deliver what it should. Furthermore, if a German manufacturer has delivered a comfortable ride, when German roads are among the best, while an Italian manufacturer has not done so, when Italian roads are among the worst in Europe, not that dissimilar to British roads, it tells you something about the difference in the level of engineering sophistication, and in this case, the difference in the underlying platform.
Lastly, if you want a sports car, where a firm ride is expected, that's what you should buy. IMO, when buying an SUV such as these two, most customers want a sports car engine in their SUV, and if they are logical, are not expecting sports car handling, but they do expect the vehicle to ride comfortably when doing the everyday things; and for most buyers of these two, the weekends will predominantly invlove a partner and kids, who will also expect comfort. Quite simply, everyday comfort is a higher priority than the nine and tenth tenth in the handling department when buying such a vehicle, at least for most buyers, many of whom are buying prestige more than anything else.
The macan is very boring to look at in comparison to the stelvio , I park near a stelvio regularly it is a handsome beast of a car alot more presence than the macan but the Porsche will out sell it 10 fold
Two explosive SUVs and a awful dull production. Needs alot of work.
What a pair of Plonkers!
Terrible sound quality and low production standards. They need to up their game or they’ll be left behind by other channels with better content more professionally produced.
Alfa Romeo Stelvio qv !!!
Why are you guys testing the old Stelvio model?
The Giulia QV is a wonderful car. But it’s not a 5-door with fold-flat rear seats and semi-permanent 4WD.
So why, once again, the predictable car hacks’ platitudes / snobbery comparison re. 5-door SUVs vs 4-door saloons? Horses for courses, mate(s).
Anyhoo, the Stelvio is the cool, classy choice whereas the Macan is the predictable (Audi-in-drag) aspirant’s choice.
It’s a huge shame very few have bought / will buy the Alfa. Sheep!
Yes! If the Giulia had a hatchback and AWD, then I likely would prefer that, but alas, it’s a crappy 4dr sedan. For me, sedans are such a waste of space, I’m far more likely to carry cargo than people.
Porsche isnt even near Alfa, easy choice
I'm an Alfa fan and owner of a (Busso) V6 GTV, so it hurts me to say that even if Stelvio is better to drive, this Porsche V6 sounds much better.
Easy to fix.
Dear AutoCar WTF is wrong with the Audio on your videos lately its absolute SHITE
Great review. Thank you.
YAWN
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GTS all the way...
Who's the skinny hippy?
Led Zepplinn I think. lol.
The quality of Autocar videos is pathetic. They have to up the game to survive!
Why have you both failed to test both cars in a 0-60 race?
The Stelvio does not have launch control & so the 0-60 in 3.6 secs, the faster of the two is a struggle to achieve!!
Can’t believe you both have not tried the 0-60! Why?
Driving on the right side (which is the actual right) makes every ride safer!