Finland. Number One Reason Foreigners Run Away From Here
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- čas přidán 13. 06. 2023
- Finland is the kind of country that once you get there you love it and feel relaxed, then you start despising it with every single sense that you have and then you either leave, stay depressed or make it big. Finland is developed, weird, peaceful, boring, safe, and tense all at once, and people here are so different from almost every other country that foreigners struggle to enjoy their life and so they abandon Finland. Let's talk more about it in the video.
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00:12 Foreigners in Finland Miss Socializing
00:58 Why Finnish People Are So Bad at Socializing
02:09 Traumas and Homogenous Lifestyle of Finnish People
02:50 Struggles with Socializing with Finns
03:27 Finland is Almost Like Wakanda from Marvel
03:50 The Proof of Finnish People Being Bad at Socializing
04:51 The Only Point of Social Interactions
05:50 Finnish People Who Live Outside of Finland
06:18 Why Finnish People Think They are Introverts
07:29 Finnish People Are Very Smart
08:12 Finnish So-Called "Extroverts"
09:24 Foreigners - Reach Out
Hi! Took me a while to get to this subject. But it's important to talk about that. For all the existing subscribers - I hope this will be relevant to you. For all the foreigners in Finland and open-minded Finnish people - welcome. You are not alone.
Finns are also so different from other Europeans because most Finns have eyes a bit like Chinese.
@@nathaniel_angel Why should I leave?
@@tongobong1 Just ignore the degenerate.
@@tongobong1 no, the have not eyes a bit like Chinese. Stop being racist against both Finns and Chinese. And even Sami people, that you mix in in that single sentence. You might not be racists, but that sentence came out as racist.
@@AndersJackson Why do you regard stating a fact about eyes racist? I said it in a positive way. I like Finns more because they look a bit like Chinese.
I come from Northern Ontario, a part of Canada which has many Finns, who arrived generations ago. The landscape there is identical to the landscape of Finland.... boreal forests and lakes, with small patches of agricultural land in the southernmost part. Long winters with lots of snow. Northern Lights in the sky. Geese in the sky, and loons calling over the lakes. The First Nations of that area, the Cree and Ojibway people, always got along really well with the Finns. "They're just like us," I've heard Cree elders say. "They know how to hunt and live in the forest. They know how to tell stories the right way. They know about the Sweat Hut [i.e., the Sauna. It is sacred for the Cree just as it is for the Finns]" Some of the elders refused to believe that Finns were from Europe. The two cultures share the same toughness, self-reliance, and some of the same reticence with people. I think I could get along well in Finland, counting on my childhood experience. When I hear someone reciting the Kalevala, it puts me in exactly the same mood as hearing our old tales of Nanibush and Glooskap. I would have no trouble hanging out with Finns and sharing the silence.
As a Finn I find it very fascinating how much Finns and First Nations have in common. I've been reading about Finnish settlers in North America (especially Minnesota, Michican and Wisconsin) and how they connected with the indigenous people (mostly Ojibwe, I think). Some of them started families together and a new ethnic group was born: Findians (or Finnishinaabe). There's a Finnish book called Fintiaanien mailla (In the lands of The Findians) about those people, and also a documentrary, but unfortunately there are no translations. But there's this video someone made which is quite good summary
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I am lucky. I have a Hungarian Finno-Urgic Father and a Metis Mother ( First Nations Canadian and French Canadian mix). It's amazing how alike Finns are to us. Good job on this video!
The cultural similarities comes most likely from the similar perspective to nature and contempt on life as it is. We are the nature and the nature is us.
I was taught on the "Old ways" my whole childhood, to the point where midsummer eve became the most spiritually important holiday, I was able to just vanish into the North-Savonian wilderness for a week with my knife and compass and thrive. Man, most of my childhood I used outhouse or shat in the forest.
I think I'm adding Northern Ontario to my travel list.
@@Joni_Tarvainen The only problem is that you will find much of Northern Ontario to be such an exact duplicate of North Savonia that it won't be a new experience. There are other parts of Canada that are much wilder, with vast mountain ranges, glaciers, etc.... and of course there is the ultimate challenge of the Arctic regions. There is a great variety of landscapes in the country, but it is expensive to journey from one region to another. The country is simply too huge for anyone to thoroughly explore it. I have travelled in all ten provinces and all three territories ---- but I have seen only a very small fraction of its beautiful places.
I would love to visit Finland, but more to meet its people and study its towns and cities.
@@philpaine3068 Oh yes, I get that and if/when I visit overseas it won't be one singular place to check out, more of an extended exploration with familiar sight as a stabilizer to the inevitable culture shock 😅
It's fascinating idea to me to switch continents and see my own eyes that even some outsiders know the beauty of Finland via Canada as well, you know.
To me culture is the main reason. Of course nature comes alongside and North-America has tons of variety on that front to begin with. Growing in Finland and knowing only this culture, I yearn to see more, especially if the place looks like home.
I only have good things to say about Finland and finnish people, lived in Helsinki for more than 2 years in the past. Finnish people just need a little more time to get to know you, once they do they are amazing . I will always Love Finland and finnish people, so many gud memories.
Helsinki is much different the regional areas in Finland. I have lived in both, the majority of Finnish people are amazing and really friendly.
Very interesting how this came up on my feed since I just yesterday had a good two hour face to face chat with a random Kenyan immigrant in a park.
Yes, we had several minutes lasting "awkward silences" but he knew it's a Finnish nature to be like that and he found great ice breakers for those silences, like for example leaning a little to his side to show comfort and taking his phone and just casually throwing "Damn, it's colder in Mozambique that here at the moment" and boom! We were chatting away like no tomorrow.
Great guy and even he said that he loves to live here (Kouvola) 'cause it's not as crammed as with Helsinki or other big cities and hopes to someday get himself a lake house.
He was as Finnish as person can get.
In the end, Finn's really doesn't care where you're from if you do your best to learn the language, understand the culture, respect the customs and be grateful for being here, just like we Finn's are.
They built mssive nuclear power plant, have cheapest electricity in europe, and they look after their homeless people. Good job Finland !
I've been in Finland for a couple of times. That's a very nice and friendly place in my mind. :)
I lived in Finland for 2 and half years loved it, Helsinki people r amazing very helpful, honest once you get to know them. It just takes them a little time to open up.
@@Maddy-kb2co like in Sweden. Take some time to get to know us, so you should not give up.
As an Estonian i can relate to that. Whole family is cold and thick skinned. Foreigners constantly tell me to smile lol. I tell them that i don't have smile muscles. Our ppl went thru a rough path also being slaves and constantly being occupied. I always thought that the lack of expressing emotions for us and Finns comes from the cold climate and working too hard.
Yeah, Estonians and Finns are very brave and have gone through a lot. Now is the new chapter - the chapter where braveness is not about fighting physically, but using courage to learn how to feel emotions, evoke emotions in other people and connect with them. Working too hard is an escapism just like alcohol, caffeine or video games.
Does that make sense?
@@loweffortedward It does. In peaceful and more prosperous times like now. But im afraid we need to be able to harden up again if the bad side of history repeats itself. Self defence mechanism of some sort.
estonia aint as cold as Finland so it must be that awful paranoid fear of occupation and war. also soviet influence which emphasises these bad aspects of humans, as being open could get one sent to prison camp. Hope estonia can get forward from this as youth started to process it which is good (Artur Rehi mentioned this, battling both depression and this major change from soviet times to his time in modern times).
Finns and estonians are both very direct and practical when interacting people. Many foreigners might think we are a bit blunt and rude. Like for example a foreigner asks "how are you" as a light small talk opener we give the answer like if the person wants to know how things are really. Answers might be "I feel like shit today". Why asking if you don't want to know?
We might have worse social skills than world average, but part of the difficulties come also from different expectations. We don't expect to start a conversation with strangers on the street or do a lot small talk, because we are not very interested in it. Our way of interaction could be much cooler. That's what we are accustomed to. If you don't like it, that's your preference. Personally, I feel much worse after speaking with, let's say Arabs, because the way they speak sounds angry and imposing to me. It's exhausting to me. But it's not their fault, we are just accustomed to different ways of interaction.
interacting with "foreigner" is depleting in a way, my social battery just runs out, i have few very good friends all over the world and my family to go to if needed. so i say that "other" people are overwhelming.
Sometimes I do prefer the Finnish way of communicating , more straightforward, less deviations and less small talk , bad thing about south Americans is lack of back up to what they say, extreme amounts of small talk , and there's no one to really trust in the end people hide too much their real intentions and you have to learn to decipher what they really are trying to get from you , maybe this is an inheritance because south Americans were always slaves and we're slaughtered so they had to learn how to socialize as a slave and later on as a freed slave that is still in his land but with Spaniards constructions of this new society were nothing is the same as before aboriginal and indigenous real culture , roots of south americans have been changed and interchanged with those of the Spanish , but yeah maybe it's the land of deceive , and I hate that part of south americans
I have a brother who moved to Norway from New Zealand in 2001 to raise a family. On my visits there I found the Norwegians to be similarly closed off. I found it difficult to engage with them beyond the superficial with only rare exceptions that surprised even my brother. After 22 years living there my brother is just about ready to leave. His two daughters have left home so there is less and less tying him there. He simply doesn't feel integrated.
Some rural areas it only take 8-10 generations to be integrated. 😀 That goes for Finland, Sweden and Norway. Don't know about Denmark though.
@@AndersJacksonlol thats like 500 years in modern times.
Thanks Edward, in this vlog you share many insights and views on what can make Finnish society particularly challenging for foreigners who come from more population-dense countries and societies. You focus on and rate the underdeveloped small-talk and socializing skills of Finns as a #1 repulsive feature. Yes, it may well be for some disappointed foreigners - or the respective sensitivities and culturally-bound interaction skills simply don’t match. For many others it could variously be their own inadequate language skills (inability to verbally communicate adequately enough), or rigours of climate (long cold winters and seasonal polarity in available sunlight), or inability to secure a job and livelihood (the cost of living is fairly high and certainly higher than in the Global South). Apart from Finland’s southern coastal region, most of the country has a subarctic climate. During the winter half of the year, it’s best here for people to conserve and use their bio- and mental energy judiciously - not fritter it away in the manner of southern chatterati. Finland also has unique boons to offer, but that’s a topic for another day. Cheers!
Excellent points covered, interesting video. Finnish people are generally super helpful and also very HONEST people. There is an honest quality to most finnish people I believe, although they may not have all the social skills that other countries do... However this also makes them more genuine I believe...
Exactly!
I agree, I'd prefer to deal with someone genuine who lacks social skills but is trustworthy, so I would do well with the Finns.
Finland was not occupied. Finnish culture however is very anti-social. We natives who prefer more social cultures feel the same here.
*_1_* The happiest, *_least_* corrupt countries with the *_highest_* standard of living in the world are the Nordic countries-Denmark (with its autonomous territory Faroe Islands and Greenland, part of Denmark), Finland (with its autonomous region Åland), Iceland, Norway, and Sweden. They are social democracies and most of their citizens speak English and are atheist, agnostic, or skeptic.
*_2_* Here are the top 10 happiest countries: 1 Finland, 2 Denmark, 3 Switzerland, 4 Iceland, 5 Netherlands, 6 Norway, 7 Sweden, 8 Luxembourg, 9 New Zealand, 10 Austria. Note that all but #9 are in Europe and that the five Nordic countries are listed.
What's the difference between an introvert and an extrovert in Finland? The introvert looks at his shoes while he talks to you; the extrovert looks at your shoes. 🤣💕☮🌎🌌
Im impressed by this video , thanks a lot for doing it , it really makes it easier to understand finnish people a lot , impressive for me but really i think finnish people can ve really cool and all Scandinavian kind of people because they are more true to themselves and to others
Now that I am in Finland, I find this to be absolutely true. In other countries its easy to socialize and express your thoughts and emotions at any point in the conversation, but here I find that I need to tiptoe around people and conversations. The Finns nod politely when you meet them if ever they do. You are right its hard to connect here, there are exceptions maybe a couple of Finns but I know that they are also well travelled and exposed to other cultures so I understand. Thanks for discussing this.
My pleasure! Thank you for sharing. How are you liking Finland otherwise?
It could have been hard to foreign because it's hard to finnish too. Exempel you start in new work place. It takes few month before people take you "in".
They just are polite and leave you alone and peace.
We do not like to disturb anyone 😇😁
@@e.i.4362 Yes, you are correct. I'm not saying that Finnish aren't friendly people. They are! but in my observation they will never go out of their way to be friendly with you on the first day. I come from a culture of just ridiculous hospitality. Its like vibe with me today and I will take you home introduce you to me family and we will drink and eat and sing! And tomorrow we will go to the beach and go island hopping with a total stranger and introduce you to my friends and you will have an exponential amount of acquaintances who will take you in and consider you as a friend even though its the first time you meet them so that when you come back probably in a few years its like you just came home to your 2nd family. I come from that crazy culture. It's hilarious but the contrast is highlighted. Don't worry Finland will grow on me. I have made a one friend so far and that's progress.
@@Sairaanhoitaja of course you are and your culture is interesting. They are going to love it.
Thank you for being sairaanhoitaja here in Finland.
I do appriciate.
I absolutely respect Finnish People, the culture and everything.
Thanks for the interesting perspective on your country, Eduard!
You mentioned that one of the root causes of Finns' introverted personalities is due to their past trauma. How would you compare the way Finns deal with past trauma in their history to the way other countries do, like post-Soviet states (Romania, Estonia, Russia, Poland, etc.)? I'd imagine they're pretty introverted like the Finns.
Only Estonians are as introverted as Finns. In fact they're actually worse at it.
That's a good subject for another video. In short, estonian-speaking Estonians are as introverted as Finns, but all the other countries generally deal with traumas through expression rather than suppression. Both approaches have good and bad aspects to them.
@@loweffortedward is it not an issue just because of those Finns that have Finnish as mother language? And if that is so, then it might be just that they are not as trained in English as others that have a language that is closer to English, like Swedish? Or is it more like cultural that all Finns, despite their mother language, are the same.
I find Finns as talkitative as Swedes. At least my Finn friends are that.
Och jag är lite avundsjuk på folk i finland som har möjlighet att lära sig tre språk, finska, svenska och engelsk (där de två sista är lika varandra, jämfört med finnska och de andra språken).
The difference is that Finnish culture has already embraced and accepted the fact that they have poor social skills and they even encourage it so the only Finns with an incentive to be sociable are the ones who live abroad or spend a lot of time with foreigners as he mentioned in the video. You can also notice when you talk to Finns that they have a strong lack of confidence, because of that it's very difficult for them to open up and learn social skills unless they travel to another country
@@sanher20, I was talking a couple of years ago with a man originally from Morocco, who had married a Finnish woman and moved here ten years earlier. He told, that in the geginning he had some problems with the Finnish style of communicating. But he concentrated to learn Finnish and after a few years he was pretty content with his life. Then he went to Morocco to visit his family. He said, that this visit was very stressing, because everybody was talking and talking all the time. He couldn't hear his own thoughts and he had to go outside. He realized, that when he had adapted the Finnish style of interacting, he had at the same time distanced himself form his original interactig style. He was simply too much a Finn to really enjoy being in Morocco.
I perhaps have a slightly more nuanced perspective on Finns:
I would describe them as shy. Not anticoial, but shy. However, when you're perhaps in a more intimate setting, or you have a viable purpose to be initiating a conversation-I would actually describe them as friendly and quite good at connecting with non-Finns. That is to say, I absolutely would not describe Finland as a country where the people are profoundly disinterested in connecting with anyone who isn't also from their culture-I wouldn't even say thay they express mild annoyance. Having said that though, it's still a Nordic country and attempting small-talk with convenience store clerks or strangers on public transit will definitely make them express discomfort or feeling awkward. So, I can understand how living in Finland might leave something to be desired if value that sort of social climate. All in all, I can say thay I felt very comfortable in Finland as a foreigner and didn't feel a sense of discord in being able to engage with the locals in the way I have in certain other countries. Also, if you drink socially, you'll be absolutely fine making friends in Finland!
Well, I had my DNA done a while back I turned out t be 16% finnish and the rest, mostly Swedish and Norwegian. I understand the speaking issue. when I was growing up here in the states, I remember so much chatter, chatter... drove me nuts. I always just felt, intuitively, I just didn't want to waist my words- that words had value and were not to be easily spent. Speak only when necessary. Well, that doesn't go over well with Americans. They think you are rude or arrogant. I think Fins take this to the extreme but I get it. Why speak when there is nothing to say. It just makes sense to me. But I've learned all the different levels of American social speak. It's painful, but it can be done, and honestly, there is an art to it and you learn it brings a lot of social value even when the topic is ridiculously boring. So, I think you are on the right track. Don't eliminate the idea of genetics. If Finns have been doing this for generations, there might be a genetic component as well.
Very interesting. As a finn it is good to hear these things also. I have lived abroad and i think its true what you saying. Its good that you have read so well about finlands history. Some people might think that finland always has been developed country but only 50 years ago it really wasnt. Also its good that you notice difference between western countries and finland. Some people think that finland is western country even that its totally not western.
Thank you! :) Yeah, Finland is not totally "Western".
If a foreigner wants to get to know finnish people, at first they have to humble down and take our society as it is. It's intimidating for finns if you are loud and pushy. Finnish people speak good/understandable english in general but we have got a very noticable accent which make many finns shy speaking english. If you take effort to learn some very basic finnish you are already in a right track breaking the ice. It doesn't matter how good your finnish is or how you pronounce the words and we might giggle a bit and correct you, but it's all good and some feel less shamed speaking english back. In general finnish people absolutely love talking with people from foreign countries and would love to get to know them.
You only have to understand Finland has got a very small population and our land is located in the edge of the world and our language is unique. Climate is harsh. We are also patriots and we adore our country. Be respectful and things will be fine!
I hope these tips help you if you want to visit Finland or are planning to stay a while :)
I dont care what you say. I am moving to finland
Welcome! :)
@@loweffortedward 😀
Hmm. This makes sense to me. I feel like I wouldn't mind such a place. Feels familiar.
Your english is great!
Thank you :)
I don't want to stay long in Finland, because it's too cold.
Very well presented and insightful. Growing up in the UP of Michigan I have been around quite a few persons Finnish immigrant background (who arrived well over 100 years ago) and they are much the same as you describe--famously so.
It's not a problem... It's a perfection 😂
❤ I love Finland (actually i love everything and anyone)
Finland is seems the perfect country for me ❤
ah. looks like a country fits best for me .)
Welcome :)
Im Finnish by birth but have lived in Australia since 1959. Im very outgoing but do like my own company. This is very interesting what you say but sad. I think this resilience is in the DNA my whole family is very hardworking and i take that as coming from my Finnish background. I think the solution is for Finns to go out and marry or partner up with happy foreigners. Im very proud of my Finnish background, but i think they would find me strange i smile and greet strangers.
Yeah, it's perfect to be part Finnish but it is essential to mix it up with some other cultures
Communication is a skill in Finland, that's mind blowing to foreigners.
Communication is a skill everywhere in the world, one which Finns don't understand at all
So true, but as with anything Finnish, you get that subtle hopelessness . When I have interaction with Finnish people who live in Finland, as opposed to the USA, I notice the problems the video speaks of and more.The following is just my opinion and observation, so don't see it as set in stone. It us just to give you a taste.
Depression often leads to drinking. If I am talking to a sober Finn, it's a much different outcome energy/vibe wise. The trama dumping is way less.
Sex is better with Finns..Still its hard to see in their eyes anything but pain mixed with climax. The ghost join you in bed . For one brief moment they disappear in euphoria. Then the snail returns to it's shell.
Relationships romantically are punctuated with a lot of solitude. It's not easy to keep up the intensity most people who are non-Finn want. Unless you are secure in yourself, you won't get much feedback from a Finnish partner and will lose interest. Egos are not stroked.
If I am with a Finnish American, they can have fun without talk of work,no guilt. A straight up Finn will apologize for having fun. It can be annoying.
For context, I am half Hungarian. So, I have noticed similar traits in my Father's cultural background. To get to know a Finn, have a similar interest, love sauna and be kind. That's my advice.
Thank you for sharing!
With how many men were you and do you think your sample represents all Finnish men?
spot on, that is why I could never be with a Finnish woman
I lost interest in Finnish women very quickly long time ago for the reasons you listed
To he honest As a sociologist I'm charmed by Your precise description of Your country state of mind . Maybe You don't express much but this is a result of very high level of trauma and that means inside You are very sensitive , good people . Thank You for this movie, it helped me to understand Finnish folk way more - quietly You seem are like the ones truly worth loving ...♥️ Wonderfull social psychology lecture btw . Ciao ciao from Poland and Italy 🇮🇹🇵🇱🥹
im from The Philippines and living in Finland for almost a year now. I can say that this things happen to me. I feel worse after a conversation with a finnish friend. I feel guilty even though I didn’t do anything wrong.
@@pastelmoon9118 i think its a clash of culture thing.
Remember this sentence well: it is not you, it´s them. Sleep in peace, you did not do anything wrong. I had to figure that out myself after long time.
Maybe the harsh cold climate and survival make us kess humouroys. No time for that.
Finns not talk small talk to anyone not them self or foreigners that's why they are quiet people.they talk only if they have something to say or someone ask them something so if you want to be a friend for them you have to be pation.If you manage be a friend to someone then you get a lifetime friend them
The Finnish movies I have seen are usually horrible ( but I like Finland, really I do!)
Finland seems like the "Japan" of Europe to me. Hard working people, very concentrated on their lives, not very talkative.
I see a quality in Finnish people similar to those of ancient Spartans.
@AthanasiosJapan, I agree with You. If we take the five Northern countries and three Baltic countries, then Finland is clearly closest ot Sparta from these eight countries. Both in a positive and negative sense. if You read the war history during the last 100 years, You will see the positive side of Finland. And if You come here to Finland for a couple of weeks, You will see also the other side of the coin. If for some reason 20% of us Finns would become suddenly zombies, it would take a long time, before we the rest would find it out. Perhaps we would never realize, that it had really happened.
what a dumb thing to say, Finns have nothing to do with Spartans. You are beyond ridiculous man
Is it because of the cold climate?
Partly yes.
@@loweffortedward 😊We as outsiders notice this type of behaviour from most of the North Europeans
@@diamondsarenotforever8542 Low temperature and sunshine must be having a toll on the hormonal balance of the people living in those countries as well.
I'm an introvert... please give me citizenship ( ⓛ ω ⓛ *)
Yeah, Finland is a perfect place for introverts.
Me too 😁
😂😂😂... they should have personality based visa category.
I keep seeing people from all over Europe saying how much they are open and friendly. Like how the infrastructure in Europe that is not car centric allows for more human connection.
However when Im not looking for that. Like right here, Europeans seem to be very introverted. I saw on one study and cant remember wear or if its realistic, but it said Denmark is the hardest nation in the world to make friends. Can Europeans give me their ideas of this?
Can you enumerate the European countries you have lived in?, I think I know the reason why you just found introverted people :D
that makes sense... aint NYC hard place too, as people have learned automatic "social skills" in the sense they talk but it is difficult to know who is genuine and actual friend. As daily life has so many meetings with people, cant be friends with all. At least california is like this. That is true of carcentric places, when US people can use car for moving around, their presence is voluntary, whereas with city where cars are not possible, forced to be in bus and street with people at all times. I dont know denmark but I thought it is most "US like" as they used lot of medication like US people did some 10-15 years ago to keep up appearances.
Are you from the States?
Everything is relative: in Europe, the more South you go, the more extrovert and friendly-chatty the people are. Denmark in Europe counts as a Nordic country.
If you can generalize, Americans come across as very informal, friendly and animated to us. Also, in Europe it's not considered polite to be "always positive", to say things that you don't really mean, just for the sake of saying something. (Except in Britain, I think.) So we might come across as negative or rude for an American.
Also, remember that apart from the UK, Europeans speak English as a foreign language (if at all), so if they are not so confident in speaking or writing in English, they will look introverted, not so relaxed. You need to see us when we are speaking our own language!
Here's some more background: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finns_Party
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Why do you have any foreigners in Finland?
How come your English is so good?
Main language :)
Wow :)
Finland has had its share of traumatic events in the past but what country hasn't? When it comes social interaction, each culture has its own characteristics. Whether you like them or not is a subjective matter.
Some countries were founded by colonists and immigrants. Those countries inevitably have an extroverted culture because most people are not that many generations removed from being fresh off the boat themselves and with no networks to rely on. Under those circumstances, you'll see a lot more extroverted, contact seeking behavior. The flipside of that is the attitude that there's plenty of fish in the sea. If you fail to meet someone's expectations even after some time has passed knowing them, they are more likely to drop you like a hat.
Finland is a small country in Europe and Northern Europe at that. Most people have their old networks in place and are not seeking to expand them. In this regard, our dear Nordic neighbors aren't that radically different from us. Swedes tend to somewhat be more polite and less blunt but in terms of extroversion not much different. Norwegians give you some leeway as a newcomer but strongly expect you to conform to their ways if you stay for the long haul.
Hi,
I'm Kishwar from India. I have master degree from drawing and painting subject. I'm teaching in a school as drawing teacher but I want to come to finland what can I do from come to finland. Pls pls 🙏help me..
Hello, Kishwar.
First, I'd recommend sending me a message on Telegram or Instagram where we could discuss your situation.
What is your Instagram id
Please, find it in the description of the video. Links are not allowed on CZcams.
I love Finnish people because Kimi Raikkonen lol
He is Awesome!
Bwoah
Dont be so pessymistic.
Society wide, ...just rise the temperature in saunas and increase proof of Finish Vodka. Slowly but surely you will recover ... although other nations can only dream to have such ?problems?😮
SISU!!! I 💛 Finns.
With all due respect, I'm not sure Finns have had more traumas than any other nations,...Most nations at some point have experienced war, famine, poverty, colonialism, conquest, etc...
Exactly. I don't really get that argument. Many countries, like mine (Hungary), have had a lot of more recent traumas, eg occupied by the Soviet army until 1990 - Finland has been prosperous, best country in the world, happiest country in the world, best education system in the world etc. The country most Finns were born has been thriving all their lives.
We just need focus introverts. Its hard to turn one countrys head. Atleast in short time. Im both introvert and extrovert. So i can see it both sides.
Always the best spot to be at🔥
Damn. Guess I was born in the wrong country
Finland wasn't so poor 50 years ago. Finnish economy rose up quickly in 1930s and after wars again in 60s. Sure some down periods, but Finland hasn't been that poor in a long time.
Suppressing traumas of history
Wakanda
Sounds familiar
And ridiculous
The more you explain how Finnish people are, the more I realize I am supposed to be quietly living in Finland.
What’s stopping you?
@@loweffortedward Six years to retire. I can’t quit now or I’ll lose my pension.
@@stevenjohnson7086 You have something to look forward to!
Hi. My experience in Finland is that the men struggle to talk about their emotions and their problems. They suppress it like you say, and try to act like nothing is wrong but it's obvious when something is wrong. They become cold, moody and distant. I would think that would leave many Finnish women disillusioned and disconnected with their relationships with Finnish men? Am I right to assume that?
Spot on! That's pretty much the way it works and why Finnish men and women secretly despise each other, which they also suppress :) though even us half finns are kind of guilty of that
so... such foreigners who leave are not very tolerant towards people who communicate in different ways...
Same as Chinese, esp.the older Chinese. The former era saw Chinese being invaded by Brits, Japanese etc. which made them poor for more than a century! Now they just pull themselves out of extreme poverty. Then U.S. empire feels that they are progressing too fast!
u r cool
Thank you :)
But all countries had dark experiences over the past like my country Philippines but it didn’t affect us to be cold and become introverts or to have poor behavior socially…we don’t let our past affect us negatively….😊
Poor behavior is relative. What's rule in one culture can be respectful in another. Behaviour of some foreigners in Finland is often considered rude in terms of Finnish cultural etiquette, while Finns' behaviour can be considered as such in other places. That doesn't mean Finns are necessarily cold people, just different. The good thing is that there's plenty of space on the planet for different kinds of people, if one doesn't like how people are in one place, they can always choose to stay away.
@@Jonra1It does mean that they're cold AND different
U have ur history wrong. Finland wasnt a very poor country in the 70s. We actually collaborated with the nazis unfortunately, and thus lost ww2, which did leave us in a somewhat bad place. The push for education and specialisation comes from the lack of natural resources. I also think u get finnish society and culture totally wrong. Finnish people aren’t a monolith, seems like you’ve just bad bad experiences and go off of weird stereotypes
It’s not my personal experience. It’s what people say.
It is a cool country if you are waiting for your long standing death.Just work, go home, live alone and wait for death, nobody is worried about you and nobody will also disturb you.
I used to visit Finland every other month to do shopping or hiking in the eastern region lake country but stopped because of the arrogant attitude of Finns. They really claim to be better than others while having very limited boring lives. It is also more expensive than any surrounding countries. For example to cross the board one had to get a Covid test, which costs about $3 to administer. Estonia charged $45 and Finland charged $297 for the same test that was $25 in Russia. Everything shows foreigners that we are not welcome. I am an American but live in St Petersburg Russia and find it much more welcoming visiting Estonia. I have friends who are Finns in Russia and they are much more open friendly and social like the local native Russians. It is hard to make friends in Finland. But it is going to be changing a lot now that the US is going to build military bases all over the country. Giving up independence will not make things more pleasant, and in fact is going to make it worse. There used to be a lot of trade between Finland and Russia, even people to people interation was common, thousands of Russian families built cabins or vacation homes in North Karilia but have been blocked from using them. They helped support those towns with frequent shopping trips and buying property but are blocked now and houses they had local contractors build are being confiscated. That is hostility that gives Finland a bad reputation, being controlled by the US now is not going work out sell for Finns. there are good reasons most young people leave the country and settle in Europe, and some in Russia. The problems Finland has have all been self inflicted and people like me just walked away.
My last visit to Finland was telling in many ways. I went to an ATM to get more Euros and the choices presented on the screen, were a little confusing so it took me 20 seconds to figure out which button to press and the delay locked the machine so the card would not come out. A message flashed on the screen directing me to the mainbranch during worlding hours to retrieve the card that was being held for security reasons. The bank was closed and all I had were dollars and rubles without the card. I could not get a hotel room, of get food while waiting overnight until the back opened to get my card back. When had to walk the streets of the little town all night in -4 temperature and was first inline when the bank opened. They refused to get my card out of the machine. No offer to assist, I had planned on staying 4 days. but ended up meeting a Russian shopper and got a ride back over the border to friendlier people who added me getting back to St Petersburg and where my bank cancelled the card are re-issued another in 2 days. That night wandering the small town police stopped me had gave me a hard time for not having euros and threatened to arrest me. One of my businesses has been a tour operator business that provided shore excursions for cruise ship passengers on their Baltic Sea cruises. We had contracts with ships to provide tours and had offices in Germany, Denmark, Sweden and Estonia. We tried to open one in Finland but the ships only stayed 4 hours in Helsinki while they stayed 2 or 3 days in St Petersburg. It was not worth the hassle to open an office that was unfriendly...and one of my partners is a Finn who was a VP of Finnair for 25 years and even he said it was not business friendly enough to bother with.
The arrogance and claims of being superior to other neighbors or the world at large is pretty off-putting and it is easy to see why so many young people leave Finland as soon as they can. It has more retirees than young people, and now blocked any interaction with its largest trade partner, plus becoming a vassal of the US with more US bases on your land planned than Finland has, you no longer have the option of being better. There are good reasons Finns are not held in high regard, the most common descriptive word is "arrogant". You have lost my business.
Sounds like a lot going wrong, much of that you could've avoided knowing that you entered a new country with a whole new set of laws and customs beforehand. Just like anywhere else outside the EU.
I am still shocked Finland gave up its neutrality. It had the best of both worlds but then experienced some coup d'etat... Sad.
Of course Finalnd is more expensive than estonia and russia cause Estonia and Russia are not as wealthy. It's not any more expensive than Sweden or Norway.
@@CA999 Hard to be neutral with a warmongering dictator next door with a brainwashed and compliant population who goes along with his madness.
Legit criticism. All things Ive wondered too. Of geopolitics topics, unfortunately that is something a small country can't have much say so should complain to bigger countries playing that game. That service aspect is definitely a weakness. Technical aspect may work but really hard to find people to help in issues. What I understand trend is where UK has been going for some time. Still this is something that is conflicting with people on top advertising to abroad and what is actually in grassroots level.
yeah, never liked Finnish people, so this is one of the reasons
We had lot of Finnish people in our country as missionaries back in the 90's.. I believe they are good people,
@@jessicahijarunguru4117 You from Namibia by any chance? Finns have a good reputation there
@@viljanov You are absolutely 💯, and yes, they assisted the country to gain independence from Apartheid South Africa in the early 90's, after that they remained in the country and set up churches, schools ect. The Finnish are highly regarded here in Namibia till today. We have named a schools, streets after Maarti Atisaari, (hope I spelled correctly). I personally haven't been exposed to them, and I'm actually planning to study there in the near future,, so this video was helpful 👌
@@jessicahijarunguru4117 Martti Ahtisaari :) I'm glad to hear there's still a positive connection living between Finland and Namibia 😊
@@viljanov Absolutely
Finland was a lovely place ,now they have joined nato things have already started to change if they put nuclear weapons on it Russia will make a stand and who can blame them .
I came to live to Finland from south Europe and one sentence I´ve been repeated once and again from friends and family was "please do not become Finnish". Only after years I truly comprehend the extent of that sentence. Becoming a finn is buying a handicap rather than enriching your life.
Never lose touch with who you are, always try to learn :)