Does excess protein intake increase cancer risk through elevations in mTOR and IGF? | Layne Norton
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This clip is from episode 205 - Energy balance, nutrition, & building muscle with Layne Norton, Ph.D. Layne holds a Ph.D. in nutritional sciences and is a physique coach, natural bodybuilder, and previous guest on The Drive.
In this clip, they discuss:
- How insulin signaling stimulates mTOR
- Why it is important to look at the details and cofounding factors beyond headlines of research
- Why high protein is not an issue in a healthy diet
- And more
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I had cancer a few years ago and was worried about this topic. I eat around 200 grams per day and like to lift. My doctor is fantastic and i trust him. He basically said "live your life, man". There's not enough evidence one way or another. Im not going to stop ingesting protein and it doesnt seem likely that eating 1g/lb vs say .3g/lb will be the reason the cancer recurs or doesnt. 2.5 years cancer free so far 🤞
What benefit are you getting? You don't need 1 g/lb to build muscle. All the research shows this. Most researchers like Brad Schoenfeld, Don Layman, etc agree that anything over 1.5 or 1.6 g/kg (~0.7 g/lb) does not provide much additional benefit for muscle growth. Why take the risk? To prove a point?
@@jakubchrobry3701protein is more satiating, may help him stick to caloric goals. If eating protein keeps you in your caloric boundaries, that would be more meaningful health wise than eating less and being more likely to go into a surplus.
Right. Get your immune system right and it will take care of a lot of the cancer cell elimination. And watch the quality of the foods you ingest. Minimizing toxic exposure, stress management and sleep are factors as well.
I wouldn’t rely on a doctor saying “live your life” if I was questioning long term effects. Most doctors are not trained in preventative care. Their training involves treatment of acute conditions.
This comment kind of worried me because it comes up often but some people get there protein in horrible ways. Not saying you did but glad you beat it and hope you continue to be well! I to eat 1g and a lot of times even more.
I mean sugar is usually the issue. Cancer feeds on sugar that is why they use a sugar injections because it lights up the cancer. Cancer is caused by chronic inflammation so just eat foods that don't cause inflammation which is a lot of food today with seed oils and sugar etc. Whole foods are always going to be better for you, so a piece of meat is going to be fine.
6:30 *Probability of cancer from high carb/sugar intake > high protein/meat intake*
8:30 Food choices more important
Boom. You should be hired for a YT channel end-user editor! Thanks.
Exactly, but where are the docs telling us this???
@@margrose5 Just go read on pubmed
The conflation of the acute with the chronic in order to "prove" how dangerous something is should be seen as the cause of much confusion within scientific research, and we should be extra vigilant and vocal when calling out this error in reasoning. Thank you both for doing just that with cancer research as it pertains to protein consumption.
But exercise could be SO protective that despite protein increasing cancer rates, it’s not seen in the data. You’d need to study 2 groups - 1 that exercises without high protein, the other that exercises with high protein. 20 year study. See health outcomes
Dr. Layne and Dr. Attia would you guts share your blood work results?
Reading the comments people did not understand : summary - answer is NO. yw
Thanks 😅
I can’t anymore! I’m gonna stop eating for ever!
Hey, if you don’t eat you won’t die from any illnesses.
Great discussion. I love the points about acute vs chronic and how the F&V intake was more important than meat intake. I always encourage people to add more healthy foods to their diet rather than focus on the deprivation approach of "don't eat X food." Pretty much everyone responds well to that!
I’m going on a life long fast
Oh wow, well done. 👏
Different opinions from doctors and scientists. Basically, we don’t know yet. We all change opinions, as the data changes. Look at Dr Attia’s switch on fasting. One meal a day to now protein 20-30grams of protein as you wake up. Things change so moderation is the key.
What's your opinion of valter longo and his longevity diet? He's not a fan of excess sugar or protein, especially from red meat. (I do think the average American diet has an excess of this)
I’ve noticed Attia doesn’t interview anyone who’s going to contradict him. Never.
He also talks about his passion for tequila. He eats 10 meat sticks daily. He claims to hate speaking about nutrition. He has written about is anger management issue which might be irrelevant but still. He often claims, like with metformin, he just doesn't know, and is guessing. Its hard to follow him in a unquestionable way. @@xtdude
For men or women? Menstruating women lose alot of iron, they can eat red meat without an issue.
@@vanessac1965All the bad fats, proteins and endotoxins would still count. And post menopause women doesn't have iron sparing benefits
I would agree with their assertion that the protein\mTor\IGF pathways can’t be directly linked to cancer. What I find more interesting is that both Peter and Layne choose to consume their protein in foods that are fairly high in saturated fat and cholesterol and both of them take statin drugs to reduce their cholesterol levels. In addition, both of them have had injuries to disc in their backs that can be at least partially attributed to microvascular disease manifesting at disc dessication that made those disc more prone to injury. If I had high cholesterol and indications of microvascular disease I might think twice about using protein sources high in saturated fat and cholesterol.
Have you ever watched Layne squat it's no wonder he has had serious back injuries it hurts me watching his training vids. Seriously look it up
@@andrewluedke6712 i’ve watched it many times. The guys an absolute monster when it comes to the squat. I have no doubt that contributed to the back issues as well.
@@JasonBeck-qp6tchow does a disc injury indicate microvascular disease manifesting? That seems like a major assumption without being directly involved with the patient....
There are so many conclusions to reach before you consider microvascular disease.... physical injury perhaps?
Good points otherwise.
Saturated fat was never the problem, trans fat(hidrogenized oils from plants and ultra processed sugars are), stop the cholesterol nonsense, its known from more than 20 years ago that High LDL is not a problem and that the HDL/LDL ratio is far more acurate in predicting morbidity
Older people, on average, consume less protein than their younger counterparts. Despite this lower protein intake, the best predicator of cancer risk is age. The older you become the greater your cancer risk. Why does no one take into account that this inverse correlation means that a causal connection cannot be drawn between protein intake and cancer? While correlation does not equal causation, you must have correlation before causation can be established.
The lab costs aren’t built for common sense.
You literally just did the exact same thing here. It's age! Well maybe it's not correlated to age, it's correlated to protein intake, and like you said, older people often eat less protein. What an absurd comment.
@@BrofUJu
I just want to know if you’ve tried venison? Or still sticking with processed powder instead.
@@2K9s I have all sorts of protein sources, thanks. Raising and slaughtering meat is horrible for the environment so I try to keep it down if I can.
Older people eat less protein..? I would think they would eat more, to negate age-related muscle loss
It's insane how many experts we have around just looking in the comments! I hope you guys can help to save some lives, seriously
what causes the chronic elevation in these receptors?
Its lack of sunlight
mTor is activated by 2 things. Heavy, intense resistance training and l-lysine which is present as an amino acid in protein. I believe these are partitioned to muscle growth with strength training and not rouge tissue growth. It’s my theory. The insulin and inflammation theory for mTor increasing cancer? I think it’s a different animal.
So lifting ages you?
There are a lot of influencers about which lifestyle is the most appropriate, but eventually we will know what might works best as a whole. Recently one influencer that was pushing for carnivore diet, was admitted in the hospital and after admitted that he needs to eat some fruits. This is just an example. Let's see u got it right. Time will tell
Moral of the story...mtor and ampk are opposites. We cannot have mtor on so much that we never allow the body to rest and heal and that requires ampk. When mtor is on, you body is in a state to build muscle and grow...when ampk is on, your body is in a state of healing and recovery. So we must balance the two. Get regular exercise, eat a balance diet with enough protein for muscle growth and repair but also, take time to rest and allow yout body to heal through sleep, intermittent fasting and/or water fasting at times. Our bodies need time to heal and repair itself and it cant do that when its in the state to stimulate growth. So both are good for us and we shoud prioritize both muscle building with enough protein and rest/recovery, just find a healthy balance!
Just publish the whole video Pete!
If you click on where it says “more” it shows where you can watch the full video.
Layne Norton is awesome 😎
Using the argument "small doses of stress are healthy", i can basically argue that everything is healthy? Training is the exception, it doesnt prove this as a "rule"?
I believe it's called the hormetic effect
Except it isnt true for basically everything unhealthy, which is best avoided entirely. You dont eat small doses of poison in order to promote your health?
The question is not to much protein give you a cancer but wath did you do to prevent cancer do you do averyting to prevent cancer ...😊
Carbs trigger mtor too, so?
I think the idea that "processed meat" causes cancer goes against the results of the Twinkie diet. The Twinkie diet was the most absurd example of a low quality diet -- and yet the guy who did it lost weight and shockingly his health markers improved. Not good for bodybuilding, since bodybuilders need more protein. However, as Layne notes the health benefit of these absurd diets is primarily due to the caloric restriction, not to the type of food eaten.
Luigi Cornaro also stated in the 16th century, that what's worse than eating unhealthy foods, is eating too much.
And you also have to find which foods suit you/your body best.
Taken a few texts from: Full text of "Discourses on the sober life (Discorsi della vita sobria) Being the personal narrative of Luigi Cornaro (1467-1566, A. D.)"
The whole book can be found online to read .
"Having thus recovered my health, I began seriously to consider the power of temperance: if it had
efficacy enough to subdue such grievous disorders as
mine it must also have power to preserve me in health
and strengthen my bad constitution. I therefore ap-
plied myself diligently to discover what kinds of food
suited me best. "
"This sobriety is reduced to two things, quality and
quantity. Ths first consists in avoiding food or
drinks, which are found to disagree with the stomach.
The second, to avoid taking more than the stomach
can easily digest; and every man at the age of forty
ought to be a perfect judge in these matters;"
"And again, there are some,
who, though they are conscious that they become
weaker as they advance in years, yet cannot be
brought to retrench the quantity of their food, but
rather increase it, and, because they find themselves
unable to digest the great quantity of food, with
which they load their stomachs twice or thrice a day,
they resolve to eat but once, heartily, in the twenty-
four hours. But this course is useless ; for the stom-
ach is still overburdened, and the food is not digested,
but turns into bad humors, by which the blood be-
comes poisoned, and thus a man kills himself long
before his time. I never met with an aged person who
enjoyed health, and lived that manner of life. Now,
all these men whose manner of life I have named,
would live long and happily, if, as they advanced in
years, they lessened the quantity/ of their food, and
ate oftener, and but little at a time, for old stomachs
cannot digest large quantities, men at this age be-
coming children again, who eat little and often during
the twenty-four hours. "
" I take but just enough to
keep body and soul together, and the things I eat are
as follows: bread, panado, eggs (the yolk), and
soups. Of flesh meat, I eat kid and mutton. I eat
poultry of every kind; also of sea and river fish.
Some men are too poor to allow themselves food of
this kind, but they may do well on bread (made from
wheat meal, which contains far more nutriment than
bread made from fine flour), panado, eggs, milk, and
vegetables. But though a man should eat nothing
but these, he may not eat more than his stomach can
with ease digest, never forgetting that it is the over-
quantity which injures, even more than the eating of
unsuitable food. And again I say, that whoever does
not transgress, in point of either quantity or quality,
cannot die, but by mere dissolution, except in cases
where there is some inherited disease to combat; but
such case^ are comparatively rare, and even here a
strict and sober diet will be of the greatest service. "
I can't believe you didn't provide a link Layne Norton website!! Not good
any rebuttals from doctors on the other side of this?
Not on this show
What other side?
@@VernCrisler this is probably a minority position in nutrition research. They didn’t get into it, but there are LOTS of studies showing a link. Layne will only change his ways if a Mendelian randomization trial proves him wrong though.
Answer: no
Maybe sugar, not protein.
I was going to say the same thing.
Neither sugar nor protein. More like excessive calorie surplus’s and stressful lifestyles. Bad habits, etc.
@@LuisMidez cancer eats sugar. This is scientific fact.
We don't really know what causes cancer. There is a fairly high correlation between smoking and cancer risk, but the causes of other cancers are not known. So any claim the food causes cancer is just speculation. And because it's purely speculative, the uncertainty can be used to sell very profitable quack diets to cure cancer.
This subject needs multiple opinions. Don’t stop the investigation with this guy.
Simple, more training, more fuel. Carbohydrates, protein. How many people actually train, maybe below 5%. But i would say they more than likely eat way to much protein for their couch potato activity. I guess the comparison would be the people that have you believe that after eating a healthy meal that any insulin spike is detrimental to ones health. When it is a completely normal process. I love Laines rants on his channel debunking all the people that scare the crap out of us. Has there ever been a study on long term fitness fanatics like me?
Never heard of this.....sure that this isn't a non-issue? especially when many people probably aren't getting enough high quality protein?
Decades ago heard a link with high protein with cancer , but I think moderate protein is normal. 1.5g per kg of protein seems excessive to me
It would be interesting to have Valter Longo on the podcast one day
I think too much of anything is bad. It’s all about balance.
As C3PO said.
"We are doomed."
😁
Should I eat protein every half hour to maximize muscle growth? Or not? I wish these guys would get their stories straight. One day they're saying a protein meal last eight hours and the next day they're saying it's a short pulse.
Now eating protein only gives a short pulse of amino acids? Hmmm. This seems to conflict with recent evidence. We are finding that two 100 gram meals of protein is enough. It's no longer thought that we need six meals spread throughout day for our protein intake. No more rushing home from the gym to to get protein in our anabolic window.
If I understand correctly, he said protien is a short stressor as opposed to long lasting chronic condition. He was contrasting it with a very extreme point in terms of months or years.
Peter's advice of distributing protein throughout the day still stands.
Total daily protein intake is more important than timing
@@aravindp1862 Months or years? Are amino acids available in the blood for muscle anabolism in short pulses or for longer periods between meals. That's the question. People eat multiple times a day, not once per month or year. For example, isolated whey protein provides an AA spike, whereas, protein in a food matrix provides a more flatten distribution. Casein also follows a more flatten distribution as compared to whey. This is analogous to glucose spikes vs flatten distributions. That is, how eating refined sugar vs eating broccoli affects this distribution.
Layne has said total protein intake during the day is - by far - the most important determinant for dietary muscle protein analbolism, but doesn't make distribution irrelevant. I guess Layne needs to define a spike. Because if a meal provides only one short spike (half hour?) of protein, he would not say this. czcams.com/video/QDWGl3Xos6Q/video.html
@@aravindp1862 Months or years? Are amino acids available in the blood for muscle anabolism in short pulses or for longer periods between meals. That's the question. People eat multiple times a day, not once per month or year. For example, isolated whey protein provides a shorter AA spike, whereas, protein in a food matrix provides a more flatten distribution. Casein also follows a more flatten distribution as compared to whey. This is analogous to glucose spikes vs flatten distributions. That is, how eating refined sugar vs eating broccoli affects this distribution.
Layne has said total protein intake during the day is - by far - the most important determinant for dietary muscle protein anabolism, but doesn't make distribution irrelevant. I guess Layne needs to define a spike. Because if a meal provides only one short spike (half hour?) of protein, he would not say this. See Layne's video: _"Is This Study the Death of Protein Timing?"_
@@aravindp1862 Months or years? Are amino acids available in the blood for muscle anabolism in short pulses or for longer periods between meals. That's the question. People eat multiple times a day, not once per month or year. For example, isolated whey protein provides a shorter AA spike, whereas, protein in a food matrix provides a more flatten distribution. Casein also follows a more flatten distribution as compared to whey. This is analogous to glucose spikes vs flatten distributions. That is, how eating refined sugar vs eating broccoli affects this distribution.
Layne has said total protein intake during the day is, by far, the most important determinant for dietary muscle protein anabolism, but doesn't make distribution irrelevant. I guess Layne needs to define a spike. Because if a meal provides only one short spike (half hour?) of protein, he would not say this. See Layne's video, _"Is This Study the Death of Protein Timing?"_
All fucking guesswork with these guys regarding diet. The amount of contradictory info out there is simply staggering. You’ll get one Doctor with 50 letters has his name telling you eat as much protein as you can, then you’ll get another Doctor with the same number of letters after his name telling you that 50 grams of Protein is ample. The same can be said of the saturated fat/unsaturated fat debate, how much carbs etc etc. It’s a complete mind fuck for the layman and bordering on a parody at this point.
It's because we are all different. That's what Layne meant when he referred to "confounding variables."
@@VernCrislerlol that's not what he meant.
@@bobhill4364 But that is why there are so many opinions -- because what works for x doesn't necessarily work for y. There is no one true diet, and that's why there's so much guesswork and conflicting data. But you can always tell the true scientists from the diet crackpots. The former always say "we're not sure" or "we don't know much." The latter are always selling you some one true product.
We can look into their motivations. Are they selling protein powder? Are their studies or the studies they cite funded by the meat, egg or dairy, industry… Are they citing single source studies or peer reviewed studying making up a meta analysis? . Just examples. I think it’s ridiculous that we all have to be research scientists experts to know what information is good or poorly sourced but that’s how it is for now. Anyone can have a loud option and present it as fact, confusing and frustrating the masses. An example is how currently so many people are following gluten free diets for no reason because they heard somewhere it could be bad and causing all their life problems. They remove it from their diet and when they re-introduce it, they are sensitive to it, in their mind confirming an intolerance. But it all started based on poor research and a misconception about what the real problem is. And worst part is they are eating horrible gluten free products when they arent actually celiacs 😢
I’ve decided my body doesn’t like protein at the end of the day. So I have to fit all my protein in by 4pm. I can eat light after that if I need it. Maybe low calorie yogurt, maybe some vegetarian thing. Maybe just some miso soup. But its gotta be light if I eat anything between 5 and 7pm. I dont have a study. I just feel better and sleep better. I eat my two elephant size protein meals am and early pm. Done. We’ll see how long I live :) 🙌🏼🙏🏼
I posted it here already.
But maybe it's interesting for you also.
Luigi Cornaro also stated in the 16th century, that what's worse than eating unhealthy foods, is eating too much.
And you also have to find which foods suit you/your body best.
Taken a few texts from: Full text of "Discourses on the sober life (Discorsi della vita sobria) Being the personal narrative of Luigi Cornaro (1467-1566, A. D.)"
The whole book can be found online to read .
"Having thus recovered my health, I began seriously to consider the power of temperance: if it had
efficacy enough to subdue such grievous disorders as
mine it must also have power to preserve me in health
and strengthen my bad constitution. I therefore ap-
plied myself diligently to discover what kinds of food
suited me best. "
"This sobriety is reduced to two things, quality and
quantity. Ths first consists in avoiding food or
drinks, which are found to disagree with the stomach.
The second, to avoid taking more than the stomach
can easily digest; and every man at the age of forty
ought to be a perfect judge in these matters;"
"And again, there are some,
who, though they are conscious that they become
weaker as they advance in years, yet cannot be
brought to retrench the quantity of their food, but
rather increase it, and, because they find themselves
unable to digest the great quantity of food, with
which they load their stomachs twice or thrice a day,
they resolve to eat but once, heartily, in the twenty-
four hours. But this course is useless ; for the stom-
ach is still overburdened, and the food is not digested,
but turns into bad humors, by which the blood be-
comes poisoned, and thus a man kills himself long
before his time. I never met with an aged person who
enjoyed health, and lived that manner of life. Now,
all these men whose manner of life I have named,
would live long and happily, if, as they advanced in
years, they lessened the quantity/ of their food, and
ate oftener, and but little at a time, for old stomachs
cannot digest large quantities, men at this age be-
coming children again, who eat little and often during
the twenty-four hours. "
" I take but just enough to
keep body and soul together, and the things I eat are
as follows: bread, panado, eggs (the yolk), and
soups. Of flesh meat, I eat kid and mutton. I eat
poultry of every kind; also of sea and river fish.
Some men are too poor to allow themselves food of
this kind, but they may do well on bread (made from
wheat meal, which contains far more nutriment than
bread made from fine flour), panado, eggs, milk, and
vegetables. But though a man should eat nothing
but these, he may not eat more than his stomach can
with ease digest, never forgetting that it is the over-
quantity which injures, even more than the eating of
unsuitable food. And again I say, that whoever does
not transgress, in point of either quantity or quality,
cannot die, but by mere dissolution, except in cases
where there is some inherited disease to combat; but
such case^ are comparatively rare, and even here a
strict and sober diet will be of the greatest service. "
You're doing wise.
Follow what your body tells you.
Not more than 1.4 gm per kg
6:14 There is, its a Vegan lifestyle.
No tradeoffs for a vegan diet? That’s laughable. I’m not hating. I was vegan for about five years and I still eat largely plant based. But there are tradeoffs. I feel much better since adding some animal protein back in, and I’ve put on a lot of muscle that I struggled to gain before. I also don’t need to be concerned with supplements anymore. I respect what vegans are trying to do, but there are significant tradeoffs.
@@flabio7074 Ive been a Vegan since 2015 & i dont see any negatives to it, a Vegan lifestyle is shown to reverse many diseases including type 2 diabetes & cardiovascular issues.
I respect vegan lifestyle. When not being a militant one that is.
I know of a guy who lives that way, really nice guy, not trying to stuff it into other people's minds.
But it's not for me. Too extreme.
@@Ve-suvius Have i tried to stuff it into peoples minds? I gave a response to the video.
@@palmer3977
I'm stating in general. Not you personal.
Also so flabio could read my response.
Never stated you were like that.
I don't even know if you're vegan or not.
😋😉
LN: Cognitive dissonance was beaten out of me.
Also LN: There is nothing inherently wrong with processed food except for [the inherent properties of processed food].
czcams.com/video/3Q7qRw9j_lQ/video.html
We might definitely need more research and studies, but historically places like Okinawa Japanese live long lives and their diet are lower in animal protein. Just an observation
So totally wrong. Okinawa people ate mostly pork before ww2 and same after. Only during ww2 they didn't. Quite a short timeframe to make assertions for lifespan impact.
You sound like the main part of their meal was pork. Then, pork contributed to their longevity?
This is what I got:Okinawa cuisine consists of smaller meal portions of green and yellow vegetables, soy and other legumes, relatively small amounts of rice compared to mainland Japan, as well as occasional fish and pork. The center of the Okinawan cuisine is the sweet potato.
I am not a scientist but I would probably bet the sources of protein would also count for a lot. If you are getting extra protein from fish, egg whites, seeds, legumes then that would be better than eating mountains of beef every day.
Why?
@@chrismacdonald4570 because red meat is a group 2a carcinogen and processed meat is a group 1 carcinogen (e.g. the highest carcinogen ranking from the WHO).
So getting a high protein diet may not cause cancer but getting it from meat will probably cause cancer.
@@chrismacdonald4570 For example, I would guess that certain protein sources are easier on your digest organs. Egg whites for example are fed to kidney disease patients. Also, fish has strong anti-inflammatory effects from Omega 3s which reduce cancer risk. Also, raw food like seeds don’t suffer from denatured proteins. When proteins are heated they become denatured. Again, I am not a scientist, but I think a study should be done to see if differing protein sources make a difference. I am not stating a fact, just suggesting a study to see the different effects on the human body. This could help bodybuilders on high protein diets to know which choices are superior.
@@leibmoshe I want to slightly agree and disagree. Protein digestion happens very early in the digestive tract. Anything which elevates pH sufficiently in the stomach would inhibit or slow it down. The connective tissue in mammal meat would be collagen and elastin. Those should slow down digestion a little. They're also beneficial as amino acids sources (glycine, proline, valine,..) and are very beneficial for gut health. Raw foods like seeds, as you say, and nuts have a lower DIAAS score. So, you would need to consume more and complementary protein sources to be approach the benefit of fish or meat. Also, they are likely to contain phytates or other inhibitors of protein digestion - thus, they are generally worse overall if protein is your goal. Considering a steroid free and whole food approach, fish with sufficient iron to reach RDAs might be prioritized? Always keep learning. That sounds like an interesting goal. Google this: "Renal response to egg white protein loading in healthy young adults"
We’re also not mentioning the source of that protein, I’d much rather eat protein from grass fed beef than gmo soy
Source: trust me bro
It's called highly experienced scientific reasoning, bro
@@kings5223 You spelled bro science wrong.
What about the China study, the most robust study on vegetable vs meat diet? How can you talk about this topic without including that “gold standard” study?
Which study?
There are so many flaws in the China study that it hasn't aged all too well. Also, everyone and their aunty has heard about this for ages, you aren't bringing up anything new
My first “first comment” comment 🙃
It does not!! Get real.❤
What also may cause issues is the hate that Layne Norton has for people. How many people he blocked for absolute no reason? As an example, I disagreed with him once. Blocked.
It’s not a coincidence this dude already collects 2 divorces.
Where are you getting this information?
@@VernCrislerhe himself got blocked after disagreeing with layne,im oretty sure thats where hes getting his informatiion from.
I find it funny that the lifting bros that I work with think that there literally is not such a thing as too much protein; that there is no problems with eating any amount of protein. And they're certain.
I don’t think taking a gram per pound is excessive. Most people are under nourished. They load up on carbs and fats.
And they are right. Did you even watch the video?
Yeah they’re probably right too
@@frontierlandfrank5314 keep chowing down on the protein. Too much water is bad. Too much oxygen is bad. To much food is bad. But no such thing as Too much protein. Yummy
@@Matto_Harvo again, you can say whatever you want, doesn’t make it true. All the empirical and anecdotal evidence would say the opposite. Especially when we are discussing intakes around 1g-1.25g per lb of body weight. Maybe there is a limit somewhere, but it’s probably not something easily attained for any significant amount of time.
I don’t understand the irrational desire that you’re trying to be right on this despite the evidence. Or your extremely poor examples to prove it.
This guy talking should show some studies if he’s ever read one, lol
This guy seems to contradict ALOT of what he said a few years ago.
He's human.
I don't think the same about different subjects in life either compared to years ago.
Take only lifting weights. I wanted to grow huge. Big muscles, lifting heavy.
.. not anymore.
Science has changed ALOT in a few years 💁🏻♀️ what he says makes total sense…
I would hope so.
You realize that's a good thing right? He updates his advice as new data comes out... like any respectable scientist would
SPEAK ENGLISH!!!!!!!!
Layne norton is a clown
And while two youtubers pretend to be scientists I will rather go to people like Walter Willett at Harvard for my nutrition advice.
High protein moderate far, no carbs no sugar. Follow this lifestyle and absolutely NOT.
Btw lame norton is a laughing joke and not to be taken seriously.