Selena still suffers from her red/yellow orb being pretty difficult to hit target in core passive phantom( also the camera will shake like drunk). But since she is already farmable and obtainable via bp I hold a very optimistic view that she will be buffed.
Very informative vid, thanks. My Vera is SSS+ and Luna SS with sig. weapon currently. I will save crystals for new Karen then and get Capriccio from Recitativo just for collection sake. Too high investment for SSS + sig. weapon.
0:58 "There's not a lot of talk about this since I believe for sure people will start making guides for most optimal build paths" Meanwhile, I've seen a grand total of 0 GUIDES about this mode
I've been seeing lots of people saying that SSS Rozen > non SSS Selena Capri, everyone's been parroting that and nobody could explain when asked why. Really good video that explains in detail. Thanks a lot!
Vera will forever be my support. Even as Selena can over power her with buffs and debuffs, her overall gameplay is so much more sleek. She can even defeat mother structure with her usual gameplay, simply because her attacks come out so quickly, when even my luna can't ( I'm a noob when it comes to precisions and patience.)
Man as a f2p she needs an insane amount of investment to be better than rozen, not worth it for me, maybe in a 2nd dark team of capriccio/astral/21 but meh I'll just save bc then.
@@finnboymax I wanted to rank her up,so I pulled one copy on my second try. I also pulled for the one weapon and got it on my first try, so I think it's fine, isn't it?
@@HavLnt well, she is good and the sooner you get her to SSS ( and when the revamp system come, SS,SS3,SS5 and SSS ) is better and the fact that she is DARK but you can use her ( at SSS ) with any composition is good as hell
Hmm..I don't really have Vera: Rozen or even Luna for dark damaging constructs. I mostly only really have Tenebrion and just got Capriccio today and I really enjoy her playstyle
16 if you rely on bp f2p rewards later voucher currency will be added to event stages and other modes (warzone, etc) as a rewards and there'll be new perma gamemode called Cursed Waves that rewards voucher too, roughly you will get 3.5k-4k each patch
I guess it makes up since 16 patch is assuming you spend 15k BC just to not use Selena till 16 patch later so realistically, especially for F2P players dry after Empyrea, they'd unlock her with the event shards putting them 50 shards behind. From 2k shard per patch to 3.5-4k shard, that's about 2 selena shards extra So it will take much more patches, sheesh Not mentionning the big opportunity cost in allocating every single BP voucher toward Selena frags for 2 years?
I got the short version, would need to look for the detailed one. If else I'll consider updating it myself when I have the time. Tag or dm me in official so I can send it to you once I have the results.
Hey! Thanks for the amazing video! subbed here. If you don't mind answering, In a team with S Selena, Luna and N21, is it better to put 4pc Bathlon on N21 and 4pc DV on Selena or the other way around? And also, because I'm not sure if I understood correctly, S Selena is better than S Vera, right? Is it only after SSS Vera that Selena isn't ahead? Sorry for the long question. Cheers.
21 bathlon, capri dav Capri is always better if you switch, rozen is always better if you don't switch The difference maker is when does it make it worth to switch. I think I explained this in the conclusion part where I took into consideration types of investment, that advice should still be relevant even in the current state of the game.
@@Atsusge Got it! Thank u very much for the quick response and for clarifying this! Yup, the part about whether it's worth changing or not was very clear and helpful in the video, now I understand. No other video or post has explained all of this so well and in such detail. Ur the goat, Take care!
Thanks for the explanation, as a new player this whole Vera vs Selena thing has been interesting to say the last. Speaking of which, I have Luna (S), Vera (SS), No Tenebruim, and an S n0.21 what should I be doing 🤔 I mean, in the end I don't particularly care about being the highest scorer, so I guess just whatever I feel like. I dunno.
what other s-ranks do you have? if you're still early in the game where warzone and ppc scores doesn't feel like it matters, you can just run luna + rozen + and maybe no.21 as tank? it's not as good as luna/rozen/tenebrion but it serves the purpose of having a dark team also if you're not farming for another A-rank, i suggest getting rozen to SSS and make sure that no.21 is S-rank (she's A-rank at base)
What makes a good or bad Da Vinci holder? It's something I heard a lot and I never understood, aside from tanks generally doing more damage than supports so they can better use another set I guess, is that all or is there something else
It's not as much as "good" DaVinci holder, as the weakest link holds it. It's not necessarily measured by damage strictly - sometimes a specific memory set for a support or a tank would make them strong / useful enough to push davinci onto another character.
A good davinci holder are those who have some really good qte skill buffs or debuff I think that's one makes a qte slave there are plenty of them they can be a support or a tank depends on your preference and playstyle in rotating your units of a specific team comp
Heavily depends on the scenario, good or bad is difficult to describe and I could go on with many exceptions. But in short, for warzone, almost always the support is the one carrying davinci. This is because tank class passive is the strongest debuff in the game and since every wave and enemy has its own independant resistance values, you want to force trigger the tank into your field to deal more damage on a second wave. This is one of the most importsnt reasons as it’s the strategy used for most high scorer’s. For PPC the variance of davinci increases by a lot since reapplying tank passive is no longer a really important condition. Buffs and debuffs become the factor of choice since you want to maximize output. For more information on PPC I suggest you asking other knowledgeable people or take a look at similar investment PPC videos.
I really don't like dark team. Requires SS3 Karen with signature to make difference from Tenebrion. Amplifier needs SSS and signature to get screen time in competitive modes. So demanding with dupes, signature weapons and shit. None of the other teams are like this.
As someone whos been hesitating or thinking about this since i just collected enough for the free 50 shards, this has been such a huge mind opening lol. I’ll prob save the shards then maybe pull a copy first or just wait till new alpha patch for her free copy
I want to ask a couple days ago i pull a vera with the intention of completion my dark team,but today i got lucky and managed to pull selena.Who do i put in my team? considering both are fairly new to my team remind that vera is still A cause i just got her.
Vera still better for now but when you can SSS Caprico Selena she literally improve everything, since she a farmable s rank its super good to invest too however the grind gonna took quite painful but if you a Waifu Enjoyer just use watever u like 😂🍷
Thank you so much for a nice and detailed explanation like this one! One question: Would SSS A Vera + Sig weapon be comparable to SSS Capriccio with no Sig? If there isn't that much of a difference (or if Rozen comes on top somehow) I really don't feel like investing so many resources on a unit that would be somewhat redundant for my case.
Signature doesn't change the outcome result. The only thing that changes it is weapon resonances on a 6 star weapon, specifically the +8% attack +10% attack. So if you have already 2 resonances on Rozen, then you have no reason to Capriccio, same in the other way around, if your Capriccio end sup having 2 weapon resonances while Rozen has 0 then Capriccio better. If it's just one might vary a bit but it doesn't get too far from what I explained in the video.
@@Atsusge Then I can fix that class skill duration by getting Capriccio's 6* weapon, then activating Axial Ray(+8% team atk buff indefinitely) and Glorious Spear(+10% atk buff upon heal)? If I do this Capriccio will be better, right? It's not like I'm actually gonna do it, just curious. Also even if this makes her better, is this even worth it? Or the 6* and 2 weapon reso are better off on other construct?
@@Malarkey-l8f If your Rozen doesn't have them then yea, 18% attack for the dark team is just a little bit worse than 20% dark but it's almost negligible since it's really easy to trigger and consistent. If you have the resources for 2 weapon reso then yes it is worth it as she is not only a dark but a generalist support with class, you can play her in any team as long as switch buff is being applied. Take a look at your other attackers first before considering her, if you think the important DPS characters are already resoed then you can think about resoing.
so since i cant buy battle pas just continue farming vera? i have vera ss rn hsvent resonated or anything just lvld her and skills currently using selena as dps cause havent got luna yet and astral doesn't feel worth the invest I have sss 21 instead of tenebrion idk if that makes a difference
Yes you can Gacha > use Event Shard > use PPC Skulls > Gacha again > use the shards If you really want her SSS but totally f2p without spending any money, but of course you need a lot of BC or luck, or both Luck & BC to get her
Yes it is possible. But I doubt it's worth it in your case. S - through pulling 60 pity SS - through phantom pain cage skulls SSS needs 90 shards, and we have 50 shards from event. Where do you get the other 40? There is a selector in Crimson Weaver patch that includes Selena Capriccio. By getting a dupe of her from that selector you get 30 shards, so 10 more left. Those 10 can be obtained through Battle Pass, and as a f2p you only get 2 shards per Battle Pass round. So you need 5 rounds. SSS - 50 shards from event + 30 shards from CW selector + 10 shards from battle pass. ,NOW LET ME LIST WHY I DOUBT IT'S WORTH IT. • You need 6* + weapon 2 resonances for SS Capriccio to be useable. SS 5* or 6* but 0 reso is useless as SSS 5* Rozen is still better(explained by this video.) [This is assuming you don't have Rozen 6* + 2 weapon reso). • But if you do get Capriccio SS+6*+2 weapon reso. Do you have an invested Luna? Cuz if no might as well just use those bc for Luna. • Crimson Weaver patch is 1 year away. And 5 rounds of bp is lik half a year or more. If you're SS Capriccio is only 5* or 6* but not 2 weapon resonated. That's half a year to 1 year of her being useless. You're better off using that bc to something that you'll benefit immediately. And farm SSS Rozen for FREE. •By the time global get to CW patch, new dark amplifier is probably released already.
@@twitzmixx8374 yeah I will pass here it's a shame though a free S rank is actually more expansive than a gacha one to be useful I hope free S amplifier Ayla isn't that useless as well (in base f2p) but thank you for your help anyway.
@@tisyahia5348 Yea I feel you as I'm f2p too. I even thought of skipping Empyrea and throw 30kbc to Capri, so all that's left for me is to wait 5 rounds of BP to SSS. I didn't do it tho, I couldn't just put all the fire team burden on Nanamech ToT. And Liv is Life. Anyways, good news for you, fortunately Ayla Ice is a total opposite. From what I've heard, she even replaces Plume in PPC, no need SSS! And her pet is like her "a must", not her sig. Pets are 100% on debut and only 5kbc. Ayla is still far tho >:).
@@twitzmixx8374 it's cool that Ayla is good and you did great to not Skip Liv she's awesome on her own then imagine with nanami and lee that will be fire 🔥.
hmm let's say i will go SS3 Daren, will selena hold seraphine or da vinci ? kinda tempted to go without da vinci at all but might just be a damage loss for luna... lol
Davinci, you can use her with Seraphine if by any chance she can enter field to DPS, but SS3 means no bathlon and bathlon by default it's always better than seraphine below SSS. At SSS however you can always use her with Seraphine in both wz and ppc, but in ppc, instead of Luna you'll use Rozen to hold davinci so both Daren and Capri can be played to abuse timestop. Remember that the investment matters and memory variations are relative to gamemode. SS and below generally doesn't see any use of Seraphine competitively. SSS and above can just build both sets as both will be used extensively.
@@Atsusge yeah I'm going for Selena SSS and Daren SS3, so I guess I will keep seraphine on Selena for now, then build a DaVinci eventually, thanks for the reply!
@@gadangalafinasdany1651 It's an additional rank between SS and SSS, either added for certain units or added to characters from dark karenina and onward
Im new just started a week . On 16th luna banner will come out and i already save pity and teneb banner now 59/60 so i think ill 80% get luna .. now i can pull for sss selena . But i like vera more and shes on her way to sss+ (now is sss) is it better if i just save the bc and go for ss/sss karenina in the future and use sss+ vera and luna ? So it will be sss+ vera , s luna , ss/sss karenina ( depends on how my mood goes with topups )
SS karen and SS3 karen is a very different thing. She gains a relatively high increase in overall dmg and supportive stuff which is the reason why capri start having on field use. If you go for SS3 karen then yea, it is a totally viable option.
while selena is the easiest amplifier to sss, isn't it the same for S ayla since she's free and her shards gonna come out in bp? the only difference is release since shes coming out next year and not included in the ssr selector coming to crimson weave patch Dmg-wise, isnt it better to sss ayla since shes 100% ice damage? (and also stronger than plume) aside from waifu and element difference reasons, whos the better buffer to sss?
If we're specifically talking about buffing, relative to own elements then Ayla is definitely stronger in every single way. But if we're talking about off element support, both of their roles are incredibly similar. The "which one is easier to SSS" becomes an issue when shards are not equally obtained thorough the patches, which is the reason why it makes Ayla harder to SSS due to being released in between 2 important S rank characters back to back.
6:16 What are the main dps uptimes for other teams like lightning and ice? Also me watching this knowing I’ll never advance above the lowest tier in Ultimate PPC.
Ice wz is around: Plume(45%), Glory(45%), Wanshi(10%) Ice ppc is around: Plume(100%) Lightning wz is around: Garnet(50%), Veritas(45%), Lux(5%) Light ppc is very debetable as it varies heavily on boss rotation and difficulty. Mind that uptimes might be relative to investments, but it doesn’t differ too much.
Nah i will use both.. selena is support vera as my main dps then teneb as tank.. although vera rozen buff is still far away she still dealt an ok damage
Thank you for your detailed explanation. But there is a question i keep in my head about here resonances. If she is only used to switch in and use her ult, isn't it better to push her ult with memory resonances? I rid that pushing her core is another option to make her do more damage instead of her class skill resonance, so why is pushing her ult not an option?
Her ult is 60% core 40% ult dmg. Core resonance is main resonance if you're gonna run her as a possible DPS, however, class is usually more versatile as it takes into account not only her dmg but also other characters. Empyrea is an exception coz she needs it for an exclusive lvl 22 core active passive. Kaleido goes core coz she becomes the main DPS in the team for a long while Feral scent depends on the characters ranks but can also go ult/class. Echo goes with ult/class depends on the character ranks and some other factors If you're not fully aware of some of these character consult GRAYRAVENS page, you'll be able to see who they are there.
@@Atsusge I thank you for your answer, i really apreciate that you answered my question! I'm aware of the site and thats the reason why i tumble around the desicion of Core passive instead of ult to let her do more damage. I did rid it again and i'm still confused why it is as it is. I don't want to say that im right, hell no, i just started the game with the PC-Client but i plan to have a switchable dark team. Luna SSS already there, Daybreak will be SS3 and Selena is just 27 event farmable shards away from SSS (all with sigs) I have to switch her in and let her do her ult in time, so: Ult: 5x Shooting Star 160% 5x phantom attack simultaneously 340% field detonation 1360% Core: 5x Reprise: Twin Stars 180% So, what i see is, that there are more numbers that can go up in her ult than in her Core passive with memory resonances. Please enlighten me and i don't mean that ironically. Or do you think that the team benefits more from the class passive at this point?
@@reisenlaniakea7374 Ult shooting star multipliers are increased by core. The only thing that does count as ultimate is the phantom attack and detonation. the problem that you see here is that most of the times is that raw skill number don't actually mean that total dmg done at the end is gonna be said amount. In the case of capriccio her signature set doubles her core dmg, it's 2x multiplier directly applied to all core reprise effect which evaluate the final dmg to very close to phantom + detonation dmg itself. If you just add a single 3 ping then the core dmg is already higher than ult by a lot. Something to mention is that if you're going for SS3 daren, then Capriccio can just go class, as it can both support her, the actual dmg dealer which is daren and Luna which is also decently strong at SSS.
How does SSS+ Rozen (before and after recent CN buff) compare with SSS Selena? My Rozen is like 2 copies away from SSS+ and also has resonated weapon. Thinking its not worth to invest in Selena at this point.
She has very respectable damage. Although strong she is not capable of keeping up with a invested Capriccio as she lacks the ability to timestop. But if you have resonances on your Rozen weapon and you're not spending a lot, then you can just stick with Rozen.
Because of constant demand I've made one public that you can see in the video description. The video itself uses second:frame calculation instead of second:millisecond. The latter should be a clearer result for most which is what I compiled in the document.
@@arflare7369 Can you specify on what kind of DPS table? Are you looking at a character in particular or all of them? If what you wanna know are the % values of pings, ultimates and core skills those can be found ingame, if you don't have the character and want to see their dmg values then you can use this site: grayravens.com/wiki/GRAY_RAVENS. However, if what you're looking for is a comparison table of the different skills of characters in game that is impossible, as there are too many factors involved, and a general overview would lead to misconceptions.
@@arflare7369 The reason why I say it's impossible is because: - There are different combos for every character. - DMG varies a lot on combo and different investments want different approaches to how you combo. - Enemy resistance is a huge factor, you just can't compare fire and physical for example. - A skill that has a higher % won't always be the one that you wanna use. An example of this case is roland and ember where their red orbs have the highest dmg output. However in a real situation the animation on them is so slow that it translates to less dmg overtime, whilst yellow orb that deals less dmg, is considered the orb that deals the highest dmg due to speed. If you make a comparison table of all of this taking every skill and every character into consideration you'd come out with a 2000 page document. And it wouldn't even be considered optimal as it would change just by the introduction of a new patch. I'll include more tables in my videos but with heavy disclaimer, as this is not a very simple topic. I was able to use a table in this vid because buffing is very straightforward and covers a single skill rather than the entire kit.
new rank up system which gives you a very bit perks of SSS so later before you hit SSS, it'll be like this SS > SS3 > SS5 > SSS Dark Karen will be the first char with this system
Radiant Dawn is better than Kamui even if she is SS. At SS3 (SS + 27 shards) she gains a new skill that significantly improves her damage by a lot. Which completely replaces Kamui in every single scenario.
So (SS Karen + SS Luna + SSS Rozen) or (SS Karen + SS Luna + SSS Selena) which is better ?, If Rozen is still better in that line up, I think I will skip pulling her.
Yesterday I grind so hard this event like 7 times already and still couldn't get to stage 6. I want Alya skin sooooo bad 😞. Btw r u really sure it's a permanent event. Coz I actually can see the due date of this event. 🤨 Good video 😊
@@Atsusge how about unlocked the chapter/stage 6. Any guide? Coz I can't buy Alya coat unless I finish chapter/stage 6 😞. Do I just play it over and over again? I'm playing this event at advance level with overall 5 stages/chapters
@@Humanity_2002 It's time gated, wait for next week, the middle buff tree unlocks certain cutscenes from the event which you'll need in order to unlock the 3rth difficulty and the shop.
@@Humanity_2002 But it`s permanent so you can complete it whenever you have time. I did not have time for so much grinding during DBW and lost the chance to get the coating.
If there's some form of switch style DPS they can always work well together, however damage output is not really high as you are forced to run Tenebrion. Running Luna without a tank and 2 supports can heavily decrease your output as tank class passive is insanely strong.
Asstral would be if not used, a substitute to Luna not to Capriccio. Sor for example Luna/Asstral, Tenebrion/21, Rozen/Capriccio. In Asstrals case is ok to use Capriccio(as a support) since he lacks the consistency and sustain Luna has.
@@Atsusge even if selena below SSS is okay to use her with astral comp (when he get buff)? And she's still gonna use da vinci right? Sorry i have to make sure so i don't get it wrong
@@veritasflare Below SSS Capri's damage is underwhelming and dark buff is not very strong so she runs davinci. And yea, you can totally run SS Capri with Astral, coz he is more of a rotational character and you often wanna swap unlike Luna. If I tell you the truth, Astral even after ascension is not very competitive as he requires insane investment to be able to rival Luna's damage but it's a good substitute.
@@Atsusge i see, thanks for the answer! And i do have Luna because i start after rosetta's patch (thus not build astral) but want to justify using Selena because it's unfair to pick between Vera and Selena lol
Thank you. I need to know how the calculation for damage is done, animation lenght, if certain buff/debuff from certain source is refreshable, this and that stats .-. How do you get those numbers? From testing only or is there a way to somehow datamine?
If you know the enemies stats you can determine output by dividing the total effective attack sequences with its respective debuff and buffing times. If you know how to math, reversing these values should be doable by just testing yourself, and yes, we can datamine these values too.
thank you. One more thing, in my understanding, in your video, the calculation is more focused to what/how maximize 1 member's burst damage. What if I just rotate on field member per ~10 sec with each time a member switched in, the do their burst, without da vinci being equipped by anyone (I want to try this plan since almost every s rank now have their signature memory). Do you think it will match the result as if someone equip da vinci? for all element in wz or pain cage
I did explain this in the video conclusion and the couple reasons why there’s not much switchplay at all in the dark team now. Switching just means DPS loss as nobody has higher burst than Luna plus the fact that bursting is a concept tied to high availability, which means you want to have all QTEs ready before doing so. Refer to 6:00 onwards Davinci is a staple, a must for any type of burst where you wanna reach the highest output in the shortest amount of time due to limited buffer timers(I explained this in my Garnet guide). For PPC you always want davinci no matter what, for wz memories are usually relative to mob composition and personal character composition, the lower the ranks the more you’ll see davinci being played. This is the case for cn server as global still doesn’t have the wz change and the timesrop units.
Support? Showdown? Vera is my dps, Capriccio comes to help her. They're friends :)
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I'm focusing right now on vera and 21, do you think it's ok to add selena on my team. I'm a bit crazy because I'm using 21 as dps
Vera is my dps also XD
I use 21 because of her high survivability
This man cooked a good video.
thank you for the really good explanation!! i hope more people can watch this and be more aware about what to do with their dark team
I'm going for SSS Selena. Not for gameplay purposes but because best girl deserves it.
Selena still suffers from her red/yellow orb being pretty difficult to hit target in core passive phantom( also the camera will shake like drunk). But since she is already farmable and obtainable via bp I hold a very optimistic view that she will be buffed.
yellow atm is horrible was like after casting she dash half a map and we have to spend 1 dash to come back...
Yes she will be buffed a couple of patches later
Ngl I hate red and yellow
@@noctxv4927 How will the buff fixed her?
@@kraney195 red and yellow three pings will cast faster + super armor and ult time stop
I like your funny words, math man.
Seriously, the detailed breakdown on the numbers was crazy good.
thanks for the breakdown; I would love to see more of these types of videos in the future to understand pgr better
Very informative vid, thanks. My Vera is SSS+ and Luna SS with sig. weapon currently. I will save crystals for new Karen then and get Capriccio from Recitativo just for collection sake. Too high investment for SSS + sig. weapon.
I use both Rozen and Capriccio in the same team, so both will cover each other's weaknesses.
And Astral too, for a good measure.
Astral is the weak link here
Great explanation, it really helps a lot.
Awesome Guide! Please do Radiant Dawn vs Tenebrion next 😊
Great video! Thanks for explaining.
Would be nice to have slightly bigger font for spreadsheets.
Sry if it’s not clear enough, will do next time. 👍
Take note if ur new she may look like a dps but is actually meant to be a sub and support
0:58 "There's not a lot of talk about this since I believe for sure people will start making guides for most optimal build paths"
Meanwhile, I've seen a grand total of 0 GUIDES about this mode
Rexlent made a guide on capriccio that included a mini guide on this event
I've been seeing lots of people saying that SSS Rozen > non SSS Selena Capri, everyone's been parroting that and nobody could explain when asked why. Really good video that explains in detail. Thanks a lot!
Vera will forever be my support. Even as Selena can over power her with buffs and debuffs, her overall gameplay is so much more sleek. She can even defeat mother structure with her usual gameplay, simply because her attacks come out so quickly, when even my luna can't ( I'm a noob when it comes to precisions and patience.)
nice video man
I like the way you explain, i hope you can make more video 💗
Man as a f2p she needs an insane amount of investment to be better than rozen, not worth it for me, maybe in a 2nd dark team of capriccio/astral/21 but meh
I'll just save bc then.
Omg!! love u Atsu senpai 😮🛐🛐🛐
Best guide
Just use her in astral comp once he gets buffed.
That's my plan lmao
Wdym astral comp? And do you recommend me pulling for her? I started 5 days ago and go kamui tenebrion and watanabe. I got around 10000 bc
@@HavLnt NO, wait don't spend your precios blackcard with her NOW( the new gamemode drops her fragm)
@@finnboymax I wanted to rank her up,so I pulled one copy on my second try. I also pulled for the one weapon and got it on my first try, so I think it's fine, isn't it?
@@HavLnt well, she is good and the sooner you get her to SSS ( and when the revamp system come, SS,SS3,SS5 and SSS ) is better and the fact that she is DARK but you can use her ( at SSS ) with any composition is good as hell
Hmm..I don't really have Vera: Rozen or even Luna for dark damaging constructs. I mostly only really have Tenebrion and just got Capriccio today and I really enjoy her playstyle
nice explanation, i give you ma sub
Great video. Now I know what to do.
16 patches for F2P to be able to SSS her lol, better for F2P players to not bother with her at all
16 if you rely on bp f2p rewards
later voucher currency will be added to event stages and other modes (warzone, etc) as a rewards and there'll be new perma gamemode called Cursed Waves that rewards voucher too, roughly you will get 3.5k-4k each patch
I guess it makes up since 16 patch is assuming you spend 15k BC just to not use Selena till 16 patch later so realistically, especially for F2P players dry after Empyrea, they'd unlock her with the event shards putting them 50 shards behind.
From 2k shard per patch to 3.5-4k shard, that's about 2 selena shards extra
So it will take much more patches, sheesh
Not mentionning the big opportunity cost in allocating every single BP voucher toward Selena frags for 2 years?
Damn how long did it took to make this vid brotha?
Maybe a week? about 5-10 hours looking, testing and recording stuff with another 10 hours of editing xd.
Awesome vid man! Can u share the support qte spreadsheet link too?
I got the short version, would need to look for the detailed one. If else I'll consider updating it myself when I have the time.
Tag or dm me in official so I can send it to you once I have the results.
Hey! Thanks for the amazing video! subbed here.
If you don't mind answering, In a team with S Selena, Luna and N21, is it better to put 4pc Bathlon on N21 and 4pc DV on Selena or the other way around?
And also, because I'm not sure if I understood correctly, S Selena is better than S Vera, right? Is it only after SSS Vera that Selena isn't ahead? Sorry for the long question.
Cheers.
21 bathlon, capri dav
Capri is always better if you switch, rozen is always better if you don't switch
The difference maker is when does it make it worth to switch. I think I explained this in the conclusion part where I took into consideration types of investment, that advice should still be relevant even in the current state of the game.
@@Atsusge Got it! Thank u very much for the quick response and for clarifying this! Yup, the part about whether it's worth changing or not was very clear and helpful in the video, now I understand. No other video or post has explained all of this so well and in such detail. Ur the goat, Take care!
I love this game punishing ghay.
Thanks for the explanation, as a new player this whole Vera vs Selena thing has been interesting to say the last.
Speaking of which, I have Luna (S), Vera (SS), No Tenebruim, and an S n0.21 what should I be doing 🤔
I mean, in the end I don't particularly care about being the highest scorer, so I guess just whatever I feel like. I dunno.
what other s-ranks do you have? if you're still early in the game where warzone and ppc scores doesn't feel like it matters, you can just run luna + rozen + and maybe no.21 as tank? it's not as good as luna/rozen/tenebrion but it serves the purpose of having a dark team
also if you're not farming for another A-rank, i suggest getting rozen to SSS and make sure that no.21 is S-rank (she's A-rank at base)
@@shoes9570 Got got Garnet and Empyrea so they've been carrying me lol
Not worried about it all that much, will casually get Vera up as I go
@@LuteaNelum ohh thats great! have fun with this game
@@shoes9570 I will, thank you! :)
What makes a good or bad Da Vinci holder? It's something I heard a lot and I never understood, aside from tanks generally doing more damage than supports so they can better use another set I guess, is that all or is there something else
It's not as much as "good" DaVinci holder, as the weakest link holds it. It's not necessarily measured by damage strictly - sometimes a specific memory set for a support or a tank would make them strong / useful enough to push davinci onto another character.
A good davinci holder are those who have some really good qte skill buffs or debuff I think that's one makes a qte slave there are plenty of them they can be a support or a tank depends on your preference and playstyle in rotating your units of a specific team comp
Heavily depends on the scenario, good or bad is difficult to describe and I could go on with many exceptions.
But in short, for warzone, almost always the support is the one carrying davinci. This is because tank class passive is the strongest debuff in the game and since every wave and enemy has its own independant resistance values, you want to force trigger the tank into your field to deal more damage on a second wave.
This is one of the most importsnt reasons as it’s the strategy used for most high scorer’s.
For PPC the variance of davinci increases by a lot since reapplying tank passive is no longer a really important condition. Buffs and debuffs become the factor of choice since you want to maximize output.
For more information on PPC I suggest you asking other knowledgeable people or take a look at similar investment PPC videos.
I really don't like dark team. Requires SS3 Karen with signature to make difference from Tenebrion. Amplifier needs SSS and signature to get screen time in competitive modes.
So demanding with dupes, signature weapons and shit. None of the other teams are like this.
I agree Dark is so annoying. I will just make do with A ranks until we get actual worthwhile units that don't require more than SS.
SSSSSSHHHHEEEESSSSSHHHHHHH
As someone whos been hesitating or thinking about this since i just collected enough for the free 50 shards, this has been such a huge mind opening lol.
I’ll prob save the shards then maybe pull a copy first or just wait till new alpha patch for her free copy
is it from a selector, or will you get her for free from missions or daily login? in that patch ofc.
@@abyssal14 im pretty sure its from a selector, but we do get the selector for free
So at SS, if I want to use her at her fullest as a QTE support and sub-dps, you would recommend a 4 set of Bathlon along with 2 piece Da Vinci?
What the fuck
I want to ask a couple days ago i pull a vera with the intention of completion my dark team,but today i got lucky and managed to pull selena.Who do i put in my team? considering both are fairly new to my team remind that vera is still A cause i just got her.
Bestsu superamcy
Vera still better for now but when you can SSS Caprico Selena she literally improve everything, since she a farmable s rank its super good to invest too however the grind gonna took quite painful but if you a Waifu Enjoyer just use watever u like 😂🍷
Thank you so much for a nice and detailed explanation like this one! One question: Would SSS A Vera + Sig weapon be comparable to SSS Capriccio with no Sig? If there isn't that much of a difference (or if Rozen comes on top somehow) I really don't feel like investing so many resources on a unit that would be somewhat redundant for my case.
Signature doesn't change the outcome result. The only thing that changes it is weapon resonances on a 6 star weapon, specifically the +8% attack +10% attack.
So if you have already 2 resonances on Rozen, then you have no reason to Capriccio, same in the other way around, if your Capriccio end sup having 2 weapon resonances while Rozen has 0 then Capriccio better.
If it's just one might vary a bit but it doesn't get too far from what I explained in the video.
@@Atsusge thank you~ as a Vera simp I do indeed have resonance on her sig, although it's only one for now 😅
The investment being compared here 6:01 is
SS 5* Capri and SSS 5* Rozen right?
It’s 2 ways. Both SS and SSS as the importance relies on the switching factor on Luna’s behalf
@@Atsusge Then I can fix that class skill duration by getting Capriccio's 6* weapon, then activating Axial Ray(+8% team atk buff indefinitely) and Glorious Spear(+10% atk buff upon heal)? If I do this Capriccio will be better, right? It's not like I'm actually gonna do it, just curious. Also even if this makes her better, is this even worth it? Or the 6* and 2 weapon reso are better off on other construct?
@@Malarkey-l8f If your Rozen doesn't have them then yea, 18% attack for the dark team is just a little bit worse than 20% dark but it's almost negligible since it's really easy to trigger and consistent.
If you have the resources for 2 weapon reso then yes it is worth it as she is not only a dark but a generalist support with class, you can play her in any team as long as switch buff is being applied.
Take a look at your other attackers first before considering her, if you think the important DPS characters are already resoed then you can think about resoing.
@@Atsusge Thank you! That's all the info I needed.
Good thing I can use Capriccio SSS as DPS. Because I don’t have Tenebrion (Kamui).
so since i cant buy battle pas just continue farming vera? i have vera ss rn hsvent resonated or anything just lvld her and skills currently using selena as dps cause havent got luna yet and astral doesn't feel worth the invest I have sss 21 instead of tenebrion idk if that makes a difference
I love u
And if I don't have Tenebrion? I'm currently running Luna/XXI/Rozen o. o
Can we really get SSS Selena as totally f2p players no matter how long it will take?
Yes you can
Gacha > use Event Shard > use PPC Skulls > Gacha again > use the shards
If you really want her SSS but totally f2p without spending any money, but of course you need a lot of BC or luck, or both Luck & BC to get her
Yes it is possible. But I doubt it's worth it in your case.
S - through pulling 60 pity
SS - through phantom pain cage skulls
SSS needs 90 shards, and we have 50 shards from event. Where do you get the other 40? There is a selector in Crimson Weaver patch that includes Selena Capriccio. By getting a dupe of her from that selector you get 30 shards, so 10 more left. Those 10 can be obtained through Battle Pass, and as a f2p you only get 2 shards per Battle Pass round. So you need 5 rounds.
SSS - 50 shards from event + 30 shards from CW selector + 10 shards from battle pass.
,NOW LET ME LIST WHY I DOUBT IT'S WORTH IT.
• You need 6* + weapon 2 resonances for SS Capriccio to be useable. SS 5* or 6* but 0 reso is useless as SSS 5* Rozen is still better(explained by this video.) [This is assuming you don't have Rozen 6* + 2 weapon reso).
• But if you do get Capriccio SS+6*+2 weapon reso. Do you have an invested Luna? Cuz if no might as well just use those bc for Luna.
• Crimson Weaver patch is 1 year away. And 5 rounds of bp is lik half a year or more. If you're SS Capriccio is only 5* or 6* but not 2 weapon resonated. That's half a year to 1 year of her being useless. You're better off using that bc to something that you'll benefit immediately. And farm SSS Rozen for FREE.
•By the time global get to CW patch, new dark amplifier is probably released already.
@@twitzmixx8374 yeah I will pass here it's a shame though a free S rank is actually more expansive than a gacha one to be useful I hope free S amplifier Ayla isn't that useless as well (in base f2p) but thank you for your help anyway.
@@tisyahia5348 Yea I feel you as I'm f2p too. I even thought of skipping Empyrea and throw 30kbc to Capri, so all that's left for me is to wait 5 rounds of BP to SSS. I didn't do it tho, I couldn't just put all the fire team burden on Nanamech ToT. And Liv is Life.
Anyways, good news for you, fortunately Ayla Ice is a total opposite. From what I've heard, she even replaces Plume in PPC, no need SSS! And her pet is like her "a must", not her sig. Pets are 100% on debut and only 5kbc. Ayla is still far tho >:).
@@twitzmixx8374 it's cool that Ayla is good and you did great to not Skip Liv she's awesome on her own then imagine with nanami and lee that will be fire 🔥.
So class skill > core passive
Even SSS selena (serap and cot)
hmm let's say i will go SS3 Daren, will selena hold seraphine or da vinci ? kinda tempted to go without da vinci at all but might just be a damage loss for luna... lol
Davinci, you can use her with Seraphine if by any chance she can enter field to DPS, but SS3 means no bathlon and bathlon by default it's always better than seraphine below SSS.
At SSS however you can always use her with Seraphine in both wz and ppc, but in ppc, instead of Luna you'll use Rozen to hold davinci so both Daren and Capri can be played to abuse timestop.
Remember that the investment matters and memory variations are relative to gamemode.
SS and below generally doesn't see any use of Seraphine competitively.
SSS and above can just build both sets as both will be used extensively.
@@Atsusge yeah I'm going for Selena SSS and Daren SS3, so I guess I will keep seraphine on Selena for now, then build a DaVinci eventually, thanks for the reply!
@@ichika2713 may i ask what is ss3? Is it different from sss?
@@gadangalafinasdany1651 It's an additional rank between SS and SSS, either added for certain units or added to characters from dark karenina and onward
@@ichika2713 not because weapon resonance?
Im new just started a week . On 16th luna banner will come out and i already save pity and teneb banner now 59/60 so i think ill 80% get luna .. now i can pull for sss selena . But i like vera more and shes on her way to sss+ (now is sss) is it better if i just save the bc and go for ss/sss karenina in the future and use sss+ vera and luna ? So it will be sss+ vera , s luna , ss/sss karenina ( depends on how my mood goes with topups )
SS karen and SS3 karen is a very different thing.
She gains a relatively high increase in overall dmg and supportive stuff which is the reason why capri start having on field use. If you go for SS3 karen then yea, it is a totally viable option.
while selena is the easiest amplifier to sss, isn't it the same for S ayla since she's free and her shards gonna come out in bp? the only difference is release since shes coming out next year and not included in the ssr selector coming to crimson weave patch
Dmg-wise, isnt it better to sss ayla since shes 100% ice damage? (and also stronger than plume)
aside from waifu and element difference reasons, whos the better buffer to sss?
If we're specifically talking about buffing, relative to own elements then Ayla is definitely stronger in every single way. But if we're talking about off element support, both of their roles are incredibly similar.
The "which one is easier to SSS" becomes an issue when shards are not equally obtained thorough the patches, which is the reason why it makes Ayla harder to SSS due to being released in between 2 important S rank characters back to back.
6:16 What are the main dps uptimes for other teams like lightning and ice?
Also me watching this knowing I’ll never advance above the lowest tier in Ultimate PPC.
Ice wz is around:
Plume(45%), Glory(45%), Wanshi(10%)
Ice ppc is around:
Plume(100%)
Lightning wz is around:
Garnet(50%), Veritas(45%), Lux(5%)
Light ppc is very debetable as it varies heavily on boss rotation and difficulty.
Mind that uptimes might be relative to investments, but it doesn’t differ too much.
@@Atsusge Thanks. Certainly very useful for me.
Nah i will use both.. selena is support vera as my main dps then teneb as tank.. although vera rozen buff is still far away she still dealt an ok damage
im going to farm her slowly gonna take like 40 days
Thank you for your detailed explanation.
But there is a question i keep in my head about here resonances.
If she is only used to switch in and use her ult, isn't it better to push her ult with memory resonances?
I rid that pushing her core is another option to make her do more damage instead of her class skill resonance, so why is pushing her ult not an option?
Her ult is 60% core 40% ult dmg.
Core resonance is main resonance if you're gonna run her as a possible DPS, however, class is usually more versatile as it takes into account not only her dmg but also other characters.
Empyrea is an exception coz she needs it for an exclusive lvl 22 core active passive.
Kaleido goes core coz she becomes the main DPS in the team for a long while
Feral scent depends on the characters ranks but can also go ult/class.
Echo goes with ult/class depends on the character ranks and some other factors
If you're not fully aware of some of these character consult GRAYRAVENS page, you'll be able to see who they are there.
@@Atsusge I thank you for your answer, i really apreciate that you answered my question!
I'm aware of the site and thats the reason why i tumble around the desicion of Core passive instead of ult to let her do more damage.
I did rid it again and i'm still confused why it is as it is. I don't want to say that im right, hell no, i just started the game with the PC-Client but i plan to have a switchable dark team. Luna SSS already there, Daybreak will be SS3 and Selena is just 27 event farmable shards away from SSS (all with sigs)
I have to switch her in and let her do her ult in time, so:
Ult:
5x Shooting Star 160%
5x phantom attack simultaneously 340%
field detonation 1360%
Core:
5x Reprise: Twin Stars 180%
So, what i see is, that there are more numbers that can go up in her ult than in her Core passive with memory resonances.
Please enlighten me and i don't mean that ironically.
Or do you think that the team benefits more from the class passive at this point?
@@reisenlaniakea7374 Ult shooting star multipliers are increased by core. The only thing that does count as ultimate is the phantom attack and detonation.
the problem that you see here is that most of the times is that raw skill number don't actually mean that total dmg done at the end is gonna be said amount. In the case of capriccio her signature set doubles her core dmg, it's 2x multiplier directly applied to all core reprise effect which evaluate the final dmg to very close to phantom + detonation dmg itself. If you just add a single 3 ping then the core dmg is already higher than ult by a lot.
Something to mention is that if you're going for SS3 daren, then Capriccio can just go class, as it can both support her, the actual dmg dealer which is daren and Luna which is also decently strong at SSS.
@@Atsusge
I'm again very thankful for the detailed answer!
Then class skill resonance it will be. :)
I just got her 5 star weapon, then i should get her pretty sure
Dont worry peeps, Cappuccino better than Rozen. Just watch the vid for the reason
Are u gonna pull for her
cheap to rank up? noooooooo
How does SSS+ Rozen (before and after recent CN buff) compare with SSS Selena? My Rozen is like 2 copies away from SSS+ and also has resonated weapon. Thinking its not worth to invest in Selena at this point.
She has very respectable damage. Although strong she is not capable of keeping up with a invested Capriccio as she lacks the ability to timestop.
But if you have resonances on your Rozen weapon and you're not spending a lot, then you can just stick with Rozen.
@@Atsusge What memories would Selena use with SSS Karen?
@@Lemon_Force Seraphine mostly with cottie as she will be able to DPS. With davinci being an off element support set
Great explanation. Could you please tell me where to find the QTE table?
Because of constant demand I've made one public that you can see in the video description.
The video itself uses second:frame calculation instead of second:millisecond. The latter should be a clearer result for most which is what I compiled in the document.
@@Atsusge Hello, I am thinking is there a dps table of all skills? I am searching for this. It certainly can be great help.
@@arflare7369 Can you specify on what kind of DPS table? Are you looking at a character in particular or all of them?
If what you wanna know are the % values of pings, ultimates and core skills those can be found ingame, if you don't have the character and want to see their dmg values then you can use this site: grayravens.com/wiki/GRAY_RAVENS.
However, if what you're looking for is a comparison table of the different skills of characters in game that is impossible, as there are too many factors involved, and a general overview would lead to misconceptions.
@@Atsusge I will not say it is impossible, and it would definitely help us understand the skills more.
@@arflare7369 The reason why I say it's impossible is because:
- There are different combos for every character.
- DMG varies a lot on combo and different investments want different approaches to how you combo.
- Enemy resistance is a huge factor, you just can't compare fire and physical for example.
- A skill that has a higher % won't always be the one that you wanna use. An example of this case is roland and ember where their red orbs have the highest dmg output. However in a real situation the animation on them is so slow that it translates to less dmg overtime, whilst yellow orb that deals less dmg, is considered the orb that deals the highest dmg due to speed.
If you make a comparison table of all of this taking every skill and every character into consideration you'd come out with a 2000 page document. And it wouldn't even be considered optimal as it would change just by the introduction of a new patch.
I'll include more tables in my videos but with heavy disclaimer, as this is not a very simple topic. I was able to use a table in this vid because buffing is very straightforward and covers a single skill rather than the entire kit.
been wondering, sorry if it sounds stupid buuuut what does SS3 exactly mean? am confooose ; v ;
SS rank with 3 stars/Evolve/the blue dot thingy when you click the evolve button it turned into blue
new rank up system which gives you a very bit perks of SSS
so later before you hit SSS, it'll be like this
SS > SS3 > SS5 > SSS
Dark Karen will be the first char with this system
Is radiant dawn better then tenebrion? i only thought if karen is SSS
Radiant Dawn is better than Kamui even if she is SS. At SS3 (SS + 27 shards) she gains a new skill that significantly improves her damage by a lot. Which completely replaces Kamui in every single scenario.
can selena be at 7.2k BP in SS class of all 6* resonance?
So (SS Karen + SS Luna + SSS Rozen) or (SS Karen + SS Luna + SSS Selena) which is better ?, If Rozen is still better in that line up, I think I will skip pulling her.
If your Selena is SSS then yea.
Point 3 mentioned in 8:08.
Yesterday I grind so hard this event like 7 times already and still couldn't get to stage 6. I want Alya skin sooooo bad 😞.
Btw r u really sure it's a permanent event. Coz I actually can see the due date of this event. 🤨
Good video 😊
Yes I play both cn and global, I can reassure you it’s permanent
@@Atsusge how about unlocked the chapter/stage 6. Any guide? Coz I can't buy Alya coat unless I finish chapter/stage 6 😞. Do I just play it over and over again?
I'm playing this event at advance level with overall 5 stages/chapters
@@Humanity_2002 It's time gated, wait for next week, the middle buff tree unlocks certain cutscenes from the event which you'll need in order to unlock the 3rth difficulty and the shop.
@@Atsusge I see. So this week I'm just gonna farm repeatedly again and again😆. This is hard bruh compared to blue deep warzone 💀
@@Humanity_2002 But it`s permanent so you can complete it whenever you have time. I did not have time for so much grinding during DBW and lost the chance to get the coating.
I have Vera at SSS+, So Nah.
Selena is more of a Waifu than Vera could ever be. That's why she is required for the dark team.
I hope you've gotten your rabies shots
Nope. Automatically invalid
Just like selena needs someone bffr
Your username says it all
damn, your user makes sense
I can't read, ken you explein agane?
Hmmm does Vera and Selena work good together?
If there's some form of switch style DPS they can always work well together, however damage output is not really high as you are forced to run Tenebrion.
Running Luna without a tank and 2 supports can heavily decrease your output as tank class passive is insanely strong.
How about using her to replace SSS Watanabe?
Asstral would be if not used, a substitute to Luna not to Capriccio. Sor for example
Luna/Asstral, Tenebrion/21, Rozen/Capriccio.
In Asstrals case is ok to use Capriccio(as a support) since he lacks the consistency and sustain Luna has.
@@Atsusge thanks.
My intention is to use Rozen, Capriccio, Tenebrion. But its not really that compatible huh.
@@Atsusge even if selena below SSS is okay to use her with astral comp (when he get buff)? And she's still gonna use da vinci right? Sorry i have to make sure so i don't get it wrong
@@veritasflare Below SSS Capri's damage is underwhelming and dark buff is not very strong so she runs davinci.
And yea, you can totally run SS Capri with Astral, coz he is more of a rotational character and you often wanna swap unlike Luna.
If I tell you the truth, Astral even after ascension is not very competitive as he requires insane investment to be able to rival Luna's damage but it's a good substitute.
@@Atsusge i see, thanks for the answer! And i do have Luna because i start after rosetta's patch (thus not build astral) but want to justify using Selena because it's unfair to pick between Vera and Selena lol
Thank you.
I need to know how the calculation for damage is done, animation lenght, if certain buff/debuff from certain source is refreshable, this and that stats .-.
How do you get those numbers? From testing only or is there a way to somehow datamine?
If you know the enemies stats you can determine output by dividing the total effective attack sequences with its respective debuff and buffing times.
If you know how to math, reversing these values should be doable by just testing yourself, and yes, we can datamine these values too.
thank you.
One more thing, in my understanding, in your video, the calculation is more focused to what/how maximize 1 member's burst damage. What if I just rotate on field member per ~10 sec with each time a member switched in, the do their burst, without da vinci being equipped by anyone (I want to try this plan since almost every s rank now have their signature memory). Do you think it will match the result as if someone equip da vinci? for all element in wz or pain cage
I did explain this in the video conclusion and the couple reasons why there’s not much switchplay at all in the dark team now. Switching just means DPS loss as nobody has higher burst than Luna plus the fact that bursting is a concept tied to high availability, which means you want to have all QTEs ready before doing so. Refer to 6:00 onwards
Davinci is a staple, a must for any type of burst where you wanna reach the highest output in the shortest amount of time due to limited buffer timers(I explained this in my Garnet guide).
For PPC you always want davinci no matter what, for wz memories are usually relative to mob composition and personal character composition, the lower the ranks the more you’ll see davinci being played. This is the case for cn server as global still doesn’t have the wz change and the timesrop units.
alright. Thanks
uwu
what is ss3?
SS + 27 shards.
For instance, from SS to SSS you'd need 90 shards.
@@Atsusge ah thnx for the info
you make this game sound like a hassle.
My current dark team is ss3 daren with sig and base luna, i wont be able to pull a copy of selena for faster sss. Should I go for her sig?